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ProfD He could have asked for help. And get told how weak he was, for it? Or get told how stupid he was, for it? As a Black man, you should know how little pity society often feels for Black males. A lot of times we don't even feel sorry for eachother even when we know what we go through as a group. Many more people would be better off if they didn't spend so much time doing dumb sh8t. Gambling away decades of life eventually comes up snake eyes. You're right. Much of it is out of ignorance. A lot of men do dumb shit that they don't think is dumb at the time. They think they're making wise or smart decisions on how to get ahead or be successful in life. The 17 year old boy who sells dope doesn't see it as a stupid decision at that age; he sees it as a smart move in order to make money and get girls. Only as he gets older does he realize how silly and dangerous it really is. In my kingdom, that would not stop me from putting able-bodies folks to work. Something tells me that when it comes to putting folks to work.....Kim Jon Un would end up TAKING NOTES from you on how to make the North Korean work force even MORE efficient....lol. "That one....overthere.....how old is he? He's about to die anyway, give him only ONE bowl of rice a day" I'll find some type of work they can enjoy doing Something is really telling me....that WALMART GREETERS.....simply wouldn't exist in your kingdom. You haven't actually said this, but I'm getting those vibes....lol.

frankster Well IBRAHIM TRAORE chose to chase out the colonizer.... And seek cooperation with Allies Allies? Haven't you heard that African nations HAVE NO allies -outside of eachother? What good is chasing one abusive boyfriend out the house, only to bring in another one? .....who turns out to be his brother from the same mother. ProfD In order to keep another country from taking over Burkina Faso, Ibrahim Traore has to get weapons from somewhere especially if he's not going to build factories & make them. He should have tried to link up with the United States instead. If you have to deal with a devil, sometimes it's best to deal with the devil you know. I know this nation can be devious, but we're a much better and more reliable trading partner than Russia in the grander scheme of things. I'm not just saying that as an American citizen, but as an observer who looks what WHICH nation has the best record of supporting and backing up it's puppet and puppet regimes.....America or Russia? Russia will shake your hand and make all kinds of deals with you, until you get in trouble. Then while you're getting stomped out they'll turn their backs and act like they don't even know you....lol. Like Rollo did when Lamont got floored by Jojo Jackson....lol.

frankster A few would be Willing to try....not what I would call Confidence - but being hopeful and positive. That's more COURAGE than CONFIDENCE. Courage means to fight through the fear and doubt, where as confidence means having no doubt. Most knew they were Able enough to participate....And so made an Attempt - Trying in spite of overwhelming doubt. If they had doubt, they weren't confident. They had courage and took a chance. Name one of your source? Dr. Khalid Muhammad who said we lost over 600 million Black people during the 6000 year rule of White people on our planet and in the Transatlantic slave trade in specific. Not necessary....my primary source is social media news outlets and individuals. Well.... To be honest, I trust social media reports more than MAIN STREAM media reports....lol. Whatever they're saying or showing, atleast it's unfiltered. On the internet Lol...I'll take that as a no. You know what he is thinking and planning? He's thinking that making deals with Russia is a good idea, and he's probably planning more. If you do not know....then let it be I'm trying to. You're the one who accused me of being fiercely defensive of that which I don't even recall....lol. I do not find your rebuttals informing or challenging any more....just childish At first when we would have a discussion....I found your arguments genuine and so intriguing - now they just tiresome just going over the same material endlessly I loved our conversations.... but I must feel you challenge me to learn something new by our sharing. Sorry bro..... I think you have me confused with an ex-girlfriend, lol. I'm not on here to "titillate" you or spark more interest between us....lol. It's like my conversations with Troy. I'd put in more effort if I really thought it would make a difference. But if I'm dealing with someone who is entrenched in their position, I find it a waste of time and energy to go around digging up articles and decorating my posts with poetic verbose. Maybe if more women participated, I'd be tempted to make the conversations more interesting....lol. It is what it is What it IS NOT....is a "bromance"....lol. I Am sure that is something you know a lot about... I'm familiar with certain aspects of it. I said that Sex Sexual urge and drive is natural.....lust is destructive.. Lust is an Addiction to Sex....most if not all addictions are Destructive Sex is natural. How can you have an addiction to a natural desire? That's like saying the urge to eat food or take a shit, is an addiction. Sure, if the urge gets to be too strong or too frequent is can signal pathology....but the urge itself is natural. Hyper sexuality and Lust is the same....as per the definition of Lust I provided earlier Nowhere did I say to stop having sex.... You should strive to control hyper sexuality/Lust to protect yourself and others from all forms of harm that it eventuates. The "white" media and systems of oppressions glorifies lust/hyper sexuality as commendable and sign of a true man.... So as to get you to adopt its ways and follows its promptings. How does this agree or disagree with the Western agenda to DE-POPULATE the planet, especially of non-White peoples? Yes....I am employed to a job I agreed to My boss cannot use his authority to tell me to do something not within my job description... He can ask....I do not have to do Is your job Union? Did the hand out paycheck to all their followers? Not that I know of. Did they procure women for the men in the NOI? Not that I know of. Would you give up that "degree of liberty" for money and women? It depends on what's waiting for me on the other side. How much would money would you give up your current "degree of liberation" for? How many women would you give up your current "degree of liberation" for? It all depends. It depends on the type of society I will be living in once I GET the money and the women. Is that what you would do? I'm not sure. Sitting in my home in 2026 with limited knowledge about the situation back then, I would like to THINK that I'd probably take my family out West to establish some sort of Homestead and build on the land with the skills I had acquired while on the plantation. But who knows what I'd REALLY have done..... Did they give up their newly free status? In many cases they were forced to forfeit it.

ProfD By 50 years old, an individual should know exactly how they ended up at their particular station in life. He may know, but there may be little HE can do about it by himself. A +50 year old can look back over the course of their life & see where they may not have made the best decisions that would have led to having more. Most people would have done better if they had known better. A brutha locked down for selling drugs COULD have been the owner of several Foot Locker franchises, if he had the knowledge and connections to be. Introspection is hard to drink like Bragg apple cider vinegar with the mother in it. Thanks for that rather graphic analogy...lol. Troy I know a few retirees who make more money in retirement than they did working -- usually some disability claim in involved... For some people, the idea of getting a steady monthly check, free healthcare, and a reduction in housing costs without having to work another day in their lives is pretty appealing....even if the check is rather small. Depending on the disability, it may beat the instability and frustration of having to get up and go to a 9-5 that you hate and are subject to get fired or laid off from at any time.

ProfD I would not view these isolated events as too many Black men adopting the behaviors of white men. I wouldn't consider them "isolated" if it's happening more and more. It seems as if every day you're hearing about a mass murder suicide. Often times involving a family. Something is running these people crazy. It's similar to Andrew Gillum getting caught with crystal meth. That seems to be a white man's drug. Gillum is a one of one. He doesn't represent a trend among Black men. Same goes for this bastard who killed his family. Black men are not being influenced by dysfunctional white men to a significant degree. Especially not when it comes to drugs &/or killing families They said that about drugs....until Black men started down the path of doing cocaine They said that about homosexuality....until gay Black men started prancing up and down the street. They said the same thing about mass killing....that it was a White boy things....now you're starting to see that too. I was parked next to a park (no pun intended...lol) a couple days ago and saw a sista just going crazy KISSING HER DOG ON THE NOSE AND FACE! We used to pride ourselves in NOT doing shit like that, lol. Atleast she was light skinned with freckles...lol.

frankster Does second hand experience matter? meaning I have experience it by observation of what one could call possessed.. Absolutely. I'd be glad to read of any examples of possession that you've witnessed. Can a Spirit be Caught in a Bottle.....Yes Now some can be and some cannot....so not all Spirits can held captive in a bottle. The same people who laugh at the thought of a spirit being held captive in a bottle reminds me of people 1000 years ago who would have laughed at the concept of a television and watching people and entire cities being "held captive" in a square box that you can fit on your lap. Technology and time makes the difference. ProfD and Troy Are any of you familiar with HOLOGRAMS and how a true hologram picture is made up of tiny little images of the main image?

Lol....a "more respectable establishment" to by liquor from, than a dollar store? Let me guess.... The nearest Circle K ???

Troy Alcohol reduces inhibitions... Since you already acknowledge that it lowers inhibitions, why should it be such a far leap to consider that it also makes one more susceptible to being influenced and controlled by outside sources? man you act like you never drank to excess or been around someone who has. Making the leap to possession is absurd. One would have though experience would have taught you that. I've been drunk only twice in my life, and in both cases I never blacked out or didn't remember where I was or what I was doing. Dude! You do this all the time -- without exception you cite a source claiming to support an assertion of yours and it DOES THE EXACT OPPOSITE. I have pointed this out to you previously that is when I started calling you incorrigible. Did you even read the study? Seriously, tell the truth. I actually read it before I responded to you the first time. Read it. The paper CLEARLY states patients switch to a secondary language in which they have some proficiency... 🫣 You're right, I didn't. And I should have. However the vast majority of times I present articles and scientific journals to back up my assertions and disagreements...they support them. Especially dealing with the subject of race...lol. This one time though, it did say those already with proficiency....and ofcourse you'll take that "out" and run with it. I could find a dozen more articles that don't state that, but it wouldn't probably make any difference to you because your mind is made up against the idea of spiritual possession anyway. No, I do not believe in a spirit that could be trapped in a bottle coke bottle or gain it's freedom only after granting you three wishes. See, now you purposely add all of the fantasy and silliness to it in order to MAKE it sound ridiculous, which ofcourse makes it easier for you to dismiss. Kind of like how somebody who doesn't want to take time to eat a healthy diet will stand there with a grin on his face and argue whether or not a french fry or chicken nugget will give them a heart attack if they eat it. Over simplification is a common tactic to discredit and dismiss something. ProfD While it appearsI do not share 1/2 their beliefs, I certainly can appreciate the conviction they bring to the dialog I have to admit, Troy took a little bit of the wind out of my sail after hitting me with that crucial part of the article that I failed to read before presenting it as evidence, lol.

.....which is one of the reasons I try not to use calculators, unless I absolutely have to.

Troy No, that’s not what happens. The alcohol simply affects your ability to retain memories of your experience when you were in that state, but in the moment you know exactly who you are and what you’re doing you simply don’t remember it. Many people report that when certain people drink alcohol, it's as if an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT person enters their bodies. Their entirely personality changes. This is also reported when it comes to conditions like multiple personality disorder. All of this is EVIDENCE of spiritual possession. It doesn’t. Because what you’ve just described doesn’t happen there is no document in case of someone speaking a language. They knew nothing about fluently. You are taking stuff you’ve seen in movies or things that cranks have put out on the Internet as if it’s true. It doesn't happen much, but it happens enough for science to categorize it as an whole condition unto itself. Foreign Language Syndrome (FLS) is a rare neuropsychiatric condition characterized by the sudden, involuntary use of a non-native language, with concurrent loss or suppression of the native language. Distinct from Foreign Accent Syndrome (FAS), FLS often arises acutely following anesthesia, brain injury, or psychological stress. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12388630/ But if science made that discovery, and it was backed up by peer verification. I would have no choice, but to believe even if it conflicted with my previous beliefs. Is that a promise? If I present to you ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC VERIFICATION of a person being possessed, would you then accept and believe it? Why do you equate science with the white man? Because HIS science is the only science you seem to accept....lol. If a non-corporeal entity like a spirit exists do you think it could be captured and trapped in a plastic ginger ale bottle? Before I answer that question, I take it from the way you worded it that you actually question the very EXISTENCE of non-corporeal entities like spirits?

ProfD The question becomes why is Andrew Gillum putting himself in compromising positions literally True. And that would be a good question to ask. That was a hit job by white power. I agree. It was also a justification for erasing his work as a prominent Black figure in American history. See, R.Kelly was big in the 90s but when he got that sex charge...you don't hear any of his music playing in public anymore. It's as if he didn't even exist. The same thing with Michael Jackson....for a while...but the new Michael movie brought him back in good graces with a lot of people. But going after Cosby was just the excuse they needed to take the Cosby Show off of syndication so that younger generations don't get to see positive and uplifting images of Black America. They just snatched Family Matters and A Different World off the air with NO explanation....lol. Every so often the racists get together to erase any traces of Black culture and presence from society and they use various methods to do it. J. Edgar Hoover put a whole task force on trying to catch Dr. MLK Jr. slipping. They really couldn't do it. You have a generation of youth....including some Black youth...who now believe that MLK was a communist infiltrator and fraud. Fake pictures and rumors of him attending some Communist school have been floated around right-wing media for a couple decades now. At some point, Black folks have to stop believing they can get away with the same degenerate sh8t white folks do. It never ends well for our people You're right. A lot of this degenerate shit is LEARNED FROM White people as they come up in their careers. They either learn it from them in college or in Hollywood and other points in their careers but like you said, they don't have the support networks White people have to protect their image from being destroyed. Unlike the prominent White politician or actor who uses dope or engages in perverted sexual behavior, they should know that being Black puts a target on their backs. Troy You know there are actual black, billionaires people like Robert Smith and others who have not been taken down as part of a white racist conspiracy. Maybe it is because they’re not beating drugging, and raping women? Perhaps. And perhaps atleast some of the Black people they've already accused of doing those things haven't done them either. I think it’s pretty well known that J Edgar Hoover caught MLK in an affair—so what? Adultery it’s not a criminal offense, but raping and assaulting women is. Whether it was true or not, why should we have believed ANYTHING Hoover said about King? you’ll never ever find a video of me kicking a woman’s butt up and down the hallway of a hotel What about that White woman at the dollar store that gave yall a hard time over not having ID???

It seems as if too many Black men are adopting violent and suicidal ways of White men by sheer proximity. Black men would be violent...but not to the point of killing their wives, children, and themselves. You almost never heard of that happening.

Kansas parents 'jointly' planned to kill their kids then themselves, authorities say WICHITA, Kan. (KSNW) — Authorities now say that the mother killed in the Winfield murder-suicide was not a victim, but a co-conspirator. Shortly before 9 a.m. on Tuesday, 53-year-old Ronald Williams Sr. called police saying he had killed his entire family and was about to kill himself. Father killed four children, their mother and himself in Winfield home, police say Around 11 a.m., officers breached the home near Ninth Avenue and Stewart Street, where they found Williams, 44-year-old Kelly George and their four children — 9-year-old Carol Williams, 7-year-old Ronald Williams Jr., 5-year-old Sarah Williams and 3-year-old Kelly Magee-Williams — dead. Kansas parents 'jointly' planned to kill their kids then themselves, authorities say The man was Black. Not sure what color the mother was but judging by the children, I'm going to guess she was probably Caucasian. Terrible situation. This reminds me of that dude who killed his kids down in Louisiana a few months ago. Killing of 8 children in Louisiana renews focus on domestic violence involving guns | PBS News Some of these cats seem to be just going CRAZY for little to no reason and trying to take as many people as they can out with them. We're used to White men nutting up and killing their entire family before killing themselves. That happens on a daily basis. But our people used to not even dream about doing shit like this. Marcus Garvey warned is that living around White folks too long, and you'll eventually drink in their poisons and begin to act like them.

frankster Were they confident before the initial success? Perhaps they had a MEASURE of confidence knowing that it was POSSIBLE for them to achieve success. Enough for them to take the risk or put in the effort. So you just made it up? No. I got the numbers from many difference sources though. Again, how do we verify the accuracy of what happened in the distant past without a time machine? I have shown that....just not in the recent past. You haven't shown that all people ARE the same. Maybe you provided evidence that people WERE the same...in the past...but today people clearly are not. Some people are excelling others. Dominant and Sameness are two very distinct concept.. Indeed Limited to my ability to Reason and Imagination And even more so, limited by the amount of INFORMATION your sources are providing to you....lol. When it comes to intelligence on the ground in other countries, you shouldn't be relying on your IMAGINATION for the facts....lol. They Are of Nature Oh? Do you have a special BIRD that you fly across the Atlantic to Burkina Faso to gather information for you? I Know What he has done How? Did you personally witness him doing it? Have you been in Burkina Faso to observe his works? I know what he is doing Really? You have remarkable sources for a civilian....lol. I do not know what he is planning or thinking If he's inviting the Russians in....we can have a pretty good idea. Your "I don't remember" is like Fauci taking the 5th.... If you do not remember then....that is you defending something you have no memory of - which is tantamount to you being ignorant of. So in effect your are defending your ignorance vigorously What have I explicitly said I don't remember....that I then set out to defend? Remind me. It is known that Lust and Greed destroys Societies and Individuals.. You have no proof and very little evidence of this. Just like lust and greed are a matter of perspectives, an individual and society being "destroyed" is more of a figure of speech. Some say the United States is a "fallen" society while yet it still is the world's most powerful nation. I Know you do not Know.... And as a heterosexual man....I shouldn't. Your Fixation is the "White" Ideology of what a black should value and forever strive toward. You've been misled about what constitutes "white ideology". Somehow you've convinced yourself to believe that what men universally around the planet seek is somehow a product of "White" indoctrination instead of our natural urgings. You are fulfilling the white Stereotype and Design for what and who a black man is... Why should Black men ALTER their behavior and what makes us happy for he sole purpose of going around trying to COUNTER stereotypes White racists may have about us? It's a common White racist stereotype that Black men are hypersexual. So does that men Black men should STOP having sex, just to counter that stereotype and not full fill it??? Organizing people is providing a Unified and Structured format to accomplish common goals through coordination....in which people willingly and freely cooperate. You go to your job...if you have one.....and do your work willingly and freely...but your boss still CONTROLS you and tells you what to do and how to do it. The did not use money or the procurement of women....as the main means No, they used the threat of violence and imprisonment to force their people in line. Especially in their early stages. The primary reason is to secure paycheck -Stop right there! No need for further explanation because it supports my initial assertion that they are doing it for money and sex. Regardless as to HOW they're spending the money when they get it. Did Marcus Malcolm Martin or Elijah promise to procure Women or Wealth? The Nation of Islam promises MONEY, GOOD HOMES, AND FRIENDSHIP IN ALL WALKS OF LIFE for faithfully adhering to it's teachings. Money and good homes obviously point to wealth. Friendships in all walks of life COULD include happy marriages and sexual companionship. Really..... Anyone who swaps freedom for wealth and women will soon learn their error Would you give up your freedom for wealth and women? Well first of all let's get something straight.....neither you nor I are free now! We aren't in bondage, nor are we totally free. We are experiencing a degree of liberation. Secondly, to answer your question....it depends on how much wealth and women I have access to IN my state of freedom as compared to what I have while in a state of bondage. Directly after official Slavery ended in 1865...a lot of Black people went back to the plantation to submit themselves to their former masters because they didn't know how to do anything for themselves in their free state. They had food, clothing, and shelter with massa....and nothing in their state of "freedom". ....atleast that's what they thought, anyway. Women are also in the woods.... You don't want THOSE women, after they've been in the woods a few weeks....lol. Only you and the ignorant who think like you would choose that If you want to call nearly 43 million AfroAmericans "ignorant"....that's your prerogative. Because most of us have an opportunity to LEAVE the United States and get from under White rule and live freely in some deserted land or uncharted territory....but choose not to do so because of the amenities we have here.

ProfD I've always taken that quote to mean setting one's mind to put in the work necessary to accomplish anything an individual wants to do. While I agree with your philosophy, I'm not sure how you derived it from THAT PARTICULAR quote....lol. Seems like two totally different concepts being expressed. There's a point at which one has enough. Eat enough food & one is full. Being greedy & overeating makes a person sick. Facts. Lust can lead to degenerate behavior. More facts. But what IS lust....except sexual desire? IMO, greed & lust are negative extremes of human desire when a person is willing to bring hurt, harm or danger to others in their pursuit of weslth, material possessions &/or human affection. Also IMO, a wise & content person knows when they have everything they need to live comfortably in peace, joy & happiness. True. And an even WISER person will not just plan for THEIR OWN comfort, peace, joy, and happiness but then begin to collect and store up wealth for the comfort, peace, joy, and happiness of their OFFSPRING future generations on down the line! Wisdom gets to the point where it's about more than just living for oneself, but one's progeny as well and society in general because that society will directly impact the success of one's progeny. frankster Maybe....but I think it runs deeper than that. First let's not confuse Lust with Sex I think most people do. Where is the line drawn? Sexual Desire/Drive.....Desiring sex and having sex is Natural beneficial and good - be fruitful and multiply. Secondly not all things Natural are beneficial or good for humans and human societies and human civilization. Lust is not Natural... Lust and Greed are Destructive Again, where does one draw the line between natural sexual desire and what they call "lust"???? Isn't it merely a matter of perspective? Constraints can be Good....it all depends on what those constraints are? Constraints can be good if they protect one from harm. But they can also be bad because they are limiting and stifle progress or innovation. I can't think of a point beyond which people can't think?? I can. I see people on an almost daily basis who clearly exhibit symptoms of limited thinking. There maybe a point beyond which people can't act.... This is one of the symptoms I notice of those with limited thinking.