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One Of The Reasons I'm Not Religious
frankster replied to Pioneer1's topic in Culture, Race & Economy
The education is dumbing them down....so how going to know if some one his the capability or not SMH...LOL True That inclination can also be channell into virtuosity if appropriately guided. True But it is work if you are being rewarded for it and some one including yourself is profiting from it. Vanna white and test subjects etc Yes. I had to turn up and do what was require for which I was paid A large segment of the black population live in the slums and ghettos. Ihave lived in Philly NYC and Atlanta....No walmart was within walking distance of any of my residences. Where you living why you would think this is the case??? Most have a family member or friend who have a car...so they may have access to a car sometimes but most times they do not In other words they are scrubs busta or passenger princess. True. Why the do not do it.....learned helplessness. Yes ....but do they know the value. Almost fifty percent of blacks suffer from obesity....that to me is a result of food desert and insecurity. -
So are you saying that the Civil Rights Movement ...of 70yrs ago unlinked 300 yrs of EnSlavement??? I do not think so Hold up....Then Enslavement of African as a a legal practice only ended in 1863.....arguable it stiil exist de facto in various places in the USA At the time of the CiviL Rights Movement many children of slaves were still alive....and a few slave were still alive The loss of 300 yrs of income is still being felt by many if not most African Americans today... Yes...things started to change in the 60"s for the better True Look an estimate was done once by some proffessor of how much money was robbed from African Americans.....The estimate was 17 Trillion dollars... That's an extra $300,000.00 for every man woman and child around today.... So a family of 4 would be worth over a million dollars.....not a measly fifty thousand - think about that Broken Families can be attributed to slavery...directly. Western Racism is a product of Slavery... Race is a recent invention....ethnicity has also always been with us There have always been both bigotry and xenophopia True....but racism is a product of Slavery So as long as racism exist...we are feeling the effects of slavery I see where you are coming from...The distinction you are trying to make I find disingenuous First of all most were share croppers... If you are forced to sell in order to stay alive....that is a distress/fire sale... It was not a expression of free will You are emphasising the 10% percent as if its the 90%....that my friend is duplicitous. It is not wrong.....America wealth was made and stolen from Black Africans during the time of enslavement Without the Africanenslavement they would be no Capitalism or Industrialization It is hard toput a percentage on it for me.....Slavery is the causeif not a 100% it near that. Well I Cannot disagree with that ... Ignorance is the cause of all sufferings pain and poverty.... The question then becomes whose ignorance bears the burden of being responsible for causing and maintaining these sufferings and poverty?? Drugs is a product....some one must make it and transport it Who introduce the drugs to Black communities?? US Governement agents are responsible for bringing drugs into the country Fake and GMO weed is not weed but a poisonious product... just like so many so called foods sold in the supermarket and at convenience stores
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One Of The Reasons I'm Not Religious
frankster replied to Pioneer1's topic in Culture, Race & Economy
That a result of formal education and societal norms set in place by JP Morgan...."I do not want a nation of thinkers i want of nations of workers". Similar shyte happen to m.. Every morning on my way to work a brother standing a the subway entrance begs me a dollar for breakfast one day a position open up at my job, so when the dude at the station ask for yet another breakfast I said come with me there is a position at my company... dude replied "Nygga did I tell you I was looking a Job" Let me quote Brother Carter G Woodson on the Miseducation of the Negro....Bertrand Russell has a better quote on this topic but his is on how rich whites control whites. Tell me if you see the relevance to quotes mine and yours above and understand its implications as to who is the cause or what is the cause.. When you control a man's thinking you do not have to worry about his actions. You do not have to tell him not to stand here or go yonder. He will find his 'proper place' and will stay in it. You do not need to send him to the back door. He will go without being told. In fact, if there is no back door, he will cut one for his special benefit. His education makes it necessary. https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/156111-when-you-control-a-man-s-thinking-you-do-not-have That is the nature of the work...seems simply - until you get trap in the cycle. Queens NY got a job in a Chinese company all I did was read the same thing over and over for 3 yrs paid well they then told me about another job For yr and a half I work for this Japanese company all I did was data entry and fill out forms...eventually quit both jobs due to boredom... The Chinese tried for months to get me back. The Dynamics is that they started you off young and the habit sticks.... Most people in the slums do not have cars....Cars are extremely expensive when you on minimum wage. I would prefer all peoples get a reasonable room. Cool...so yeah living in the ghetto is war -
Below is the contradiction I see... I quote: "Again, we can't blame all or even most of the poverty in Black America today on the legacy of Slavery. It's like trying to blame today's broken families as a legacy of Slavery....which isn't true either." I assert that we CAN'T blame all or even most of the poverty in the AfroAmerican community today on Slavery. How is you telling me that Slavery still affect us today (which I agree with) and posting videos to prove it...how does that contradict my assertion? Slavers routinely sold family members and had breeding farms.....direct connectionto todays broken families cool No generational wealth to pass on - Legacy Lost No...not a greater impact because they are part of the consequencies of lost of Birthright Inheritance and continued Oppression I am saying Slavery and its consequences caused most if not all the poverty in the Black Community. cool By some do you mean less than most?? Most Unions did not allow black Americans as members....until Civil Rights Movement - the exception being can anybody say "George". If not then what is?? True We Were in the best position for years especially so in the 60's70's 8o's 90's and 10's That was true from the 1960's to the early 2000's.....that is now beginning to change and rapidly so
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One Of The Reasons I'm Not Religious
frankster replied to Pioneer1's topic in Culture, Race & Economy
You are overlooking what in reality is learned helplessness.....please check it out and try to understand it Thinking that our brothers are lazy....is so what the racist want you to think and believe Not easy life Yes they are not working in the traditional sense. They have to do what ever it takes to continue recieving section 8....that is their job so now they have to fill out forms and remain up to date and continue to qualify ...that is the job cool The true name for those places are Convenience Store.....whatever they sell is what the people living nearby will purchase and consume. Yeah a room in a slum... Cool.... for the asians no... can't say the same for the latinos To much to unpack....Gang warfare check it out Cool -
Yeah check it out It seems you not reading what you actually typed why not....300 hundred years of stolen wages... I am sure if your employer stole 3hrs of your labor you would want it and most likely feel its lost...come payday Your Asserttion in the quote above is that "slavery cannot be blamed for current day black poverty" My video shows the connection and proves that the enslavement of Africans has a direct bearing and connection to current day black poverty. I say yes. What do you say....yes or no I say we can blame most if not all what say you....All or most or none Maybe you need to watch the video again....from the time stamp 5;00 minute mark....the trauma of enslavement leads to dysfunction which leads to maladaptation to racism which contributes to poverty. Maybe the following two video may help you The Wealth Gap of Black Americans | The Cost of Inheritance: An America ReFramed Special | Clip The Work: The history and devastation of poverty on Black Americans White factory workers were working class....black factory workers were working poor - you think they got the same amount of pay? True Racism is the main cause of black poverty.....It is not our biggest problem Working together...Achieving Functional Unity - Is That is what most black politicians are trying to do....but politics is in itself is very corrupting - Adam Claytom Powell was the best that did it and Obama manage to secure the highest office. Margus Garvey and Booker T Washington both promoted freedom thruogh economic and educational success The Jews did that in Germany....the nazi's cook them all all in all it is a goal i would stand behind and support
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One Of The Reasons I'm Not Religious
frankster replied to Pioneer1's topic in Culture, Race & Economy
True What you said above is true....but each has it own challenges... Typical 9-5...Can't get it have no skill or discipline or worst they pay minimum wage etc Rooms are expensive...living with a friend is a whole situation in itself..I have issues living with my woman muchless another dude Worst I do noty think it is a good idea leaving some dude in my apartment with my woman while I am at work....sounds like the making of a jerry springer show on whose the daddy. If my friend is a woman They working with and or for medicaid welfare or section 8....that is their job to maintain their qualified status. True usually due to either they are not being paid enough or have a mental issue....addictions are mental issues Yeah....but do they have a marketing budgetlike and advertise like KFC etc? True... That is good Lets do the maths....i will be very liberal. Okay i will accept your figures....so lets go to the national minimum wage $7.50 x 35 hr week (lunch hr not paid) equals around 263 per week muliply by 4 weeks in a month equals $1052 gross...can we agree that most people are taxed at least 10% which equals $100 So now you net earnings is $952 - $600 for rent leaves you with a net net of $352 at most $500 for food and other bills for the month.. Do I need to list the other bills????? let me list just three Monthly Grocery bill is for one person $230 transportation...........................$100 In short you are saying formal and informal are all types of formality.....to me informality means the absence of formality cool Not at the level that it is happening to Black Africans Americans....nor historically For Many Black Americans we are in a war right here right now.....thats part of their baggage. those who came recently just arrived are thinking they in peace time not knowing it is a war torn city they living in....slums and ghettos. It plays a significant part. Being driven and ambitious one can overcome many things even things thought impossible. Yes True...but do not conflate personal decision with group decisions even though they overlap -
Yes...major contributing factor Yes...most were destroyed. in most cases. Some got good jobs...few got good paying jobs Prior to MLKjr the Black Middle class was below 1%...today the black middle class is around 30% Then why did you state the following I quote: "Again, we can't blame all or even most of the poverty in Black America today on the legacy of Slavery. It's like trying to blame today's broken families as a legacy of Slavery....which isn't true either." I think it is very relevant based on your above statement That is true....but to keep to from become too subjective it is best to go with income threshold. Not true...most were the working poor class.... They knew how to make do with less... True....but he did dismantle overt business(de jure) as usually racism in most parts of America Yes We as a people will then have to address the cause - racism.....Not the effects dysfunction True When you have been studied targeted and oppressed....creating a collective will be a challenge well worth fighting for. But remember they will come and try to destroy it by criminalizing all who participate in it as well as labeling them hate mongers. Great Idea.. Often their hands and or face are hidden and are powerful and have even more powerful friends and associates. Having said that they are not above challenging....MLKjr succeeded against them.
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One Of The Reasons I'm Not Religious
frankster replied to Pioneer1's topic in Culture, Race & Economy
To me it is harder having tried them both...thats my personal opinion. first of all you always working....living looking over your shoulder - sure aint easy When you on point....your life and freedom hangs in the balance - from cops friends customers robbers and enemies Knowing is only half.....you still got to eat Thats all you see know and is now readily available and accessible for you to do. Anyone below working poor is destitue....if you on welfare - then you IS working poor. Welfare is now your work and even then most of them is destitute... I knew a girl on welfare and she got a letter from welfare that told her to keep her checks coming she had to do a certain amount of hours of work every week.. Thats what available and accessible plus sometimes the government check tells you what you can buy with it. Surprise suprise most of them do not believe all that good nutrition shyte....they believe the FDA stamp of approval I was talkingto a friend of mine dying of cancer about healthy foods.....he went to his doctior with it who told him its all hogwash and expensive piss I did....they all came it as I stated around $900 I initially said street codes are what drug dealers have and that's what I meant and you know that so stop trying to be pedantic I went further and said they were informal. "Drugs dealers have no protocol.....they have street codes" I made that clear if not I am doing so now Who said with not building or not trying...our efforts are being erased suppressed stolen and hidden True....because they are not confronted with the same type of Pyschological Baggage that Black Americans are forced to carry. When a individual leaves his home scales all kinds of obstacles and comes to foreign country to start a life......that individual is Ambitious and Driven. Go to that immigrants homeland and you will see "them being routinely late for jobs, calling in constantly, coming in smelling like dank weed, and getting an attitude when you ask them to do something like so many of our people today." Check which nations have the biggest military budgets.... -
They are a major factor....especially in Baltimore. - thats what I am saying and said. Most of them were destroyed... They moved out of shanty towns down south..... into slums up north - sure its an improvement but certainly not one that takes you out of poverty When comparing those that "Got out." to those that remain trapped.....the vast majority remained trapped To show how 300 yrs of slavery still affects blacks today Before the Civil rights movement few individuals made it ....the exceptions Millions Yes.....due mainly to the Civil Rights Movement success of implementing new political policies. With all that less than 10 percent of African American makes over $100,000. then or today We dismantled racism like how MLKjr did it.....by exerting our freedom in unison. "we as a people" .....So we are moving from personal decision to political decisions and of course they overlap. Political Decision making includes a whole lot of organizational work and since that is what you are now talking about then...Yes Your personal decisiom may if lucky save you..... Whole community of individuals making personal decisions will not save them when they are being politically targeted.
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One Of The Reasons I'm Not Religious
frankster replied to Pioneer1's topic in Culture, Race & Economy
Slinging rocks is not easy...it is froth with worries and danger. Yes it is the only way they see out...with the limited coping skills they possess. Sports and rapping is the other way they see.... Education is seen by few as a way out - plus education cost money that they do not have You missing the point where trouble seeks them out in the form of structural racism. Most are destitute... The first sign of destitution is malnutrition. In the ghetto all those obese people you are malnourished Yep those are including in my estimation....if you know different let me know by presenting some facts or links. yeah I think i said protocols are not "street codes". cool. So if everytime you make something the powers that be destroyed....how you going gain from it or have something to show. You are being taught it is no use trying......Learned Helplessness Black Americans are the real threat. The success achieved by Black Immigrant Communities is on the Backs of the accomplishment laid by Black Americans Most prisoners are in a temporary condition.... While in prison access to their wealth is curtailed as a result for that time they do not own themselves or have their money. That is what I am referencing. European Culture is certered around warfare..... African and most Asian Civilization is or was centered around trade. Yes....but that how it works A false scenarion is created and foisted upon you. CNN: 'Dumbing down' education Sorry -
One Of The Reasons I'm Not Religious
frankster replied to Pioneer1's topic in Culture, Race & Economy
Glad to inform you They reason is they only see that way out....so might as well die trying to get out - than just slowly waste away in suffering to death. Cool Yes they do mean different things. Anyone below working poor is destitute Yes.....The working Poor Yes Thats what you think you seeing.... They all dream of the lavish lifestyle....but right now they poor and that is where they are - the goal is the American Dream - Tony Montana style Surprising the average room cost more than the average apartment In that case it will soon be three four or five....none of whom are working. sitting on the government cheddar ....somebody gots to go soon In reality usually only one person is working....usually not earning minimum wage. A protocol is a CODE PRESCRIBING STRICT ADHERENCE.... Plus here is the rest of the meaning 3 a : a code prescribing strict adherence to correct etiquette and precedence (as in diplomatic exchange and in the military services) a breach of protocol b : a set of conventions governing the treatment and especially the formatting of data in an electronic communications system network protocols c : convention sense 3a,b 4 : a detailed plan of a scientific or medical experiment, treatment, or procedure https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/protocol Which street crew or organization fellows the above..... every Doctors has to to maintain their license to practice. Before I answer that.... Black wall st you know was just a extremely successful black town? How many black towns you think they burnt down? Excluding Nigerian.....They all have a easier access to capital and are encourage to set up business in black communities Same difference....They own nothing and have no money - not even their own bodies That is the trick they play..... A Culture based and founded on Violence Barbarity and Inhumanity is not a Civilization Thats what the Nazi's did they got ordinary people to kill people What I said is the truth I said I'm not sure how many were BORN stupid vs how many were MADE stupid by their environment. You...despite not being a psychologist...seem to be sure that most stupid people were MADE that way. Not sure how you "know" this, but I won't argue the point. My computer is acting up and do not have the time to fix it So we agree No.... they mostly try to follow dogma Whatever they're following, it seems to work for most of them as they tend to have a clean and peaceful society as compared to a lot of African societies which tend to be very religious but still chaotic. Cool but I do not agree with most African Communities being Chaotic