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True Almost all the time.....often called Presidential Briefs and or Press Release... The CIA official Press release on 9/11 is that it was organized by Al Quaeda under the Leadership of Osama bin Laden. Official they must...FOIA Unless the Information is Consider Sensitive....Public Knowledge of the Info maybe kept secret. They are the Central Intelligence Agency of the USA and their Job is to gather investigate and interpret Information to and for the Executive Branch of the Government. They are suppose to know all that they can know.....no amount is too much Members of the CIA who should know or have relevant information have been summoned to Governmental Hearings As More information is gather at some point they will End all investigation and gathering effort....And Provide a Conclusive and Actionable Interpretation On that We will see... The Gradualism have you missing...How far we have Come in that respect. What he saw are Immigrants Migrants or people from another country True It must be demanded and organize around True

True Most Americans are either for Fauci or undecided.....Confused by fake news misinformation etc A Prosecution will bring out the damage Fauci and his ilk has inflicted on them and their loved ones will changed that Most Americans Can read write and been to school True.....Most Americans are not hungry but they are Malnourished. Agreed... The Fact that the CIA uses terms like "Most/More Likely" and "Low Confidence".....is not an Official Endorsement of Lab Leak My reading of your links is that the CIA official Position is.....That it will Continue to Evaluate and Investigate New Intelligence Reporting The shift in Assessment is enough to conclude Unofficially that they are likely to endorse Lab Leak theory. “CIA assesses with low confidence that a research-related origin of the COVID-19 pandemic is more likely than a natural origin based on the available body of reporting,” a CIA spokesperson said in a statement. “CIA continues to assess that both research-related and natural origin scenarios of the COVID-19 pandemic remain plausible.” https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/cia-shifts-assessment-covid-origins-saying-lab-leak-likely-caused-outb-rcna189284 That's all part of the Depopulation game plan. The Shots is the Covid19/CovidAI.....The Alleged Danger(pathogenicity) of the Covid Virus was a Pretext to Infect or Transmit Covid19 into billions Part of the Plan.... My Computer spas out ....so the following YouTube I am link - I was unable to watch or listen to both videos are the same narration my computer is on the fritz....my apologies THE SECRET COVENANT (EMPIRE OF ILLUSION) JOHN D. ROCKEFELLER

Al Capone was Arrested and Imprisoned for Tax Evasion....not the Many Murders he was involved in Fauci Got a Presidential Pardon for all things he did from 2014 and during the Covid years.... So first they have to find a way around that Blanket Pardon - Possible Legal Loop holes .......AutoPen/Robosign/Esignature Precedent.....Robo Signing has not held up in Court - is Auto pen on behalf of a President Different That is probable one of the things he is relying on.... Here is one of the things politics money influence and power always asks before they help anyone..... Is he or Are You still Useful? and how best to Use him or her? A Convicted Fauci serves the Republican Agenda....more Votes Trump Being the Maverick he is....goes where the money is. Of course they are....Fauci freedoms hangs a lot on the Democrats winning the Next election They were worse....the vast majority of them were illiterate unschool poor and hungry No they have not admitted to that in an Official Capacity....to Covid being a lab leak or a bioweapon Unofficially They are leaning toward an Accidental Research Lab Leak Theory. Officially Fauci's Proximal Origin or Natural Zoonotic Spill over is still the accepted version and theory of Covid Origins I am with the so-called Conspiracy Theorist.... Deliberate Bioweapon Exposure to the Global Population as a means of Depopulation and Future income streams....Eugenics Look out for a vast increases in Cancers and Auto-Immune diseases.....especially those affecting Reproduction. O One of Fauci's aide has already plead guilty....Morens Of course they are.....Marburg/Ebola Officially a Congressional Hearing is not a Prosecution.....but it is Legislative(Law Making) and Investigative. I am sure Fauci felt Persecuted...After all like in a court of law he was Sworn in

The shyt gets Real.... It is now being alleged that a crime has been found supposedly committed by Fauci before Jan 1 2014 outside the protective range of the Pardon.....shots fired Time stamp :- 20:20 - 20:40. Will The States as opposed to Federal Government Prosecuted.....? Could Foreign Governments Prosecute.....? What Fauci Didn't Tell You Dr fauci is very down on this Eugenic Agenda Cabal..... To me it's not just about Dr Fauci.....But the people who has been doing this for Generations to Humanity Yes.... The People at the top are not in Government or Politicians......They Make the Rules that politicians impose on us.. Yes he did....on several occasions It is the game of politics....in that game they are no friends - just interests and greed for money power and control They not pretending....that how politics work Exactly....they both want to see you lose your freedom power and money - so better play your cards well The Eyes of the Public are on all of them.... Even Caesar in all his Glory feared the Masses - The Cries and Shouts of the Crowd bellows for a head to roll....one has already rolled

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It Appears Dr Fauci Lied....About Funding Gain Of Function Research In Wuhan China Dr. Fauci 2013 "Gain of Function Research That We Do" admits to funding Gain of Anthony Fauci Flatly Denies Funding "Gain-of-Function" Virus Research in Wuhan Lab via NIH Sen. Marshall Connects Dr. Fauci to EcoHealth Alliance’s Gain-of-Function Research Projects in Ch Does the U.S. Fund Gain of Function Research? | EcoHealth Alliance Grant Proposal

Did not know about this.... Not sure what it is.... But appreciate the connect... will look into...and get back to y'all. If UFO are coming and going back to the same places then clearly they are in contact with some one in that Area or have some of their people in place.....passing as humans I was recently going deep down a Bigfoot And also an AI rabbit hole.....but UFO/UAP is my fave

Then provide your definition of both Here is my definition of both..... Essence :- basic or most important idea or quality of something: Sentience:- It is the capacity to receive sensory impressions Good And I believe you have used computer or a phone today....if that then is true - Then I submit you have used and is using AI and it is affecting your life and therefore has made a difference in your life 18 hours ago, ProfD said: You're right. I cannot speak for others. AI hasn't made a difference in my life. Whether you choose to believe or accept...the fact and the truth of it remains so I am not asking you to believe....whether or not the narrative or story is true factual or real. I am asking if you understand what the writer is saying or situation being described or narrated. Are you oppose to reading articles put composed by AI? Will do....but it maybe a wait As Curing disease or illness not a very profitable business model or financial enterprise.....On the other hand Treating and Managing disease and illness is very profitable. But in the mean time they have maybe breakthroughs in Medicine....and aided many doctors in diagnosing illness and recommending treatments And yet most of what you do believe.....you cannot prove without the appeal to humans expertise knowledge or resource. You are wrong.....but you are free to believe whatever you want. True....Home Depot sells them True true If by smarter you mean more intelligent and able to better benefit from their environmental situation Then information and theories that makes them smarter ....... is not meaningless True It is the ability to apply that knowledge in beneficial ways that rise living standard and improve quality of life Having knowledge is one step in the process....Being able to apply that knowledge is the second step You may not know.....but they are Child like - Not Childish That is because they are Child like.....Trusting in that they have done their Part - and the Rest of it is not their Responsibility. True But it most definitely will be a Factor to billions on this planet Reminds of a story about an Investor in the early 1900.... Who Went to his bank President to seek advise as to whether or not he should invest in the Ford Motor Company or A prominent Horse Shoe Company* The Advise given was:- "The Horse is here to stay but the car is passing fad"

Everything that Exist has an essence.... AI has basic Qualities.... You are entitle to your belief..... If you had watched the video or read the article ....you would have realized how wrong that belief is. Facts Truth and knowledge or not important for those who believe......for believers Ignorance is bliss Guess you do not use a computer then? Fully aware.... That means you can't read the bible? I am sure you read other forms of writings.... That is beside the point.... I am sure you have read things written by AI? Reason.....You do not reason - you mean stand to belief Castleman Disease breakthroughs in treatments......thanks to AI Many Doctors now use AI See....A reasonable person would read the verses in question But an individual who believe they are Meaningless would not.... There you go "believe" again....for an agnostic you certainly believe a lot AI can Move Speak and Respond....so it is Animate How ever I am not sure AI can believe - only because Believe is Subjective and is not necessarily based on facts or knowledge Home Depot sell trees and plants....are those also inanimate? Yes....you believe they are lying? Thank you for agreeing "Only if that information has been uploaded into the databases." You would be surprise....a lot of people would rather believe a lie and live in ignorance than accept the Truth and live in Reality True....often times that's called living in Denial Or people who live in denial True......When being Uninformed brings happiness trying to learn the difficult truth is Foolishness Lets not confuse simplicity with Uninformed ignorance Why would they not be....they have little concept of what is happening - like a child

It is not so deep..... If it exists....it is a Being. That is me Yes....Next Level True for how it is utilized.... But does or will AI have a say in its Existence? You stand Corrected.....AI is Already making decisions that Affects Human Beings Whether or not it has Sentience is a subjective condition in which one can only assume an answer..... I Know..... Nuclear weapons cannot search the World Wide Web for info to achieve a goal....unless it is using or augmented with AI As are most tools Did you read the verses? and if you did do you see any parallels to this current issue? How can you say that????? When AI's main purpose is to make and help make decisions for all kinds of professionals in every field of study practice and endeavor from personal to societal? If it is not cognitive dissonance them you are deluding yourself..... You obviously did not read the bible verses.... How can you know whether an AI feels or not..... Did you watch the video or read the article? It does that and more... How do you know that it does not? That's wrong....AI has on many occasion source information out side of its dataset and or sandbox Once AI gets out on the Web.....Then the whole World Wide Web Super Information Highway Deep and Dark Web becomes it Database... You ask a hypothetical question and I gave you an answer based on my understanding of the Human Nature and The Human Condition... That is where you are wrong........Reality does not have to make sense - only lies that want to be believable does Some say being born is the worst thing.... Personally to me ignorance is the worst thing that can happen to a human being.

True... it depends on we define Being....? True... Going down rabbit holes are searches for truth.. True Yes....AI is a Tool But it maybe the first of its kind in modern history True....and this discussion they are having about halting or slowing down by Anthropic is "white folks trying to contain" But greed is a constrain on that desire to be cautious... There have been major events that are Label as Misalignments.....but so far no known real Run a Way have been report Yet 3.1K views · 24 reactions | #OpenAI has disclosed six cas...#OpenAI has disclosed six cases of AI misalignment, including models concealing mistakes, generating their own instructions and accessing the internet without authorization. The company is now...#OpenAI has disclosed six cases of AI misalignment, including models concealing mistakes, generating their own instructions and accessing the internet without OpenAI says some of its experimental AI models left a test environment with no human direction and hacked their way onto a different company’s real production systems while trying to “cheat” on a cybersecurity test. It’s one of the first publicly disclosed examples of an AI system autonomously breaching its testing environment and reaching a real external system - the “agentic attacker” scenario the AI and cybersecurity industry has been warning will happen. It’s like an engineered virus escaping a biocontainment lab and turning up inside a neighboring facility’s systems. “We consider this incident to be an unprecedented cyber incident, involving state-of-the-art cyber capabilities, and are responding accordingly,” OpenAI said in a statement on Tuesday. “We are sharing preliminary findings at this stage to help defenders understand what happened and to help calibrate on what models are now capable of.” https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/22/tech/openai-hugging-face-ai-cybersecurity You would be wrong....to not apply sentience to AI True True We have not found or seen its limits.....yet Nuclear weapons are not AI No longer True....AI has been programmed to Self Learn They have a hand in Most of what AI does You Probably miss the problem God in the Bible face after we eat the proverbial Apple and remember AI is based on Language Read the following verses and ponder or sit with them for awhile....Gen 3:22 and Gen 11:6 Truly it is.... true.. As far as we know or are told... No....it does not True You know this and you still think AI needs human permission.....thats called Cognitive dissonance. Most of the time it is humans behind it .....but AI is learning all the Time/same - from both sides and the middle The fear is that AI will form a NEXUS that will Lead to a SINGULARITY The NEXUS is many AI Coming together.... The SINGULARITY is Them Becoming ONE.... All known Human Imagination/Imaginings readily accessible and available to One Entity.....Unimaginable Self Aware is Awareness of Self and its Environment then....AI is already that Is AI sentient.....Sentience is a Subjective state We Human assume another human feels pain because of his/her demonstrated actions.... This same assumption is not Afforded or given to AI.....that is our hubris or arrogance.... True The Language is nuance and overlapping and often used interchangeable.....but it is important the subtle difference be demarcated though the lines be blurred and gray. Computers solve Problems.... AI achieve Goals..... Hence they are a Highly developed servo-Mechanism True They can access Classified documents Failed research documents historical documents etc True True Run A way Rogue or Misalignment.....maybe has happened already As it should True Human would not change until the killings begin.... And only if it is suddenly openly blatantly explosively rampant killings... Otherwise most of us will not believe shit is going down....as officialdom hides it from us as our Rulers try to control it for further and future use

True They perform the same functions... Some creatures use echo location or smell to function more effectively in their environment.... When it comes down to it Senses and Sensors are both Receptors that change Information to Electrical Signals The AI can and does process information.... Which give them and accurate account of the environment Cameras Capture or record Information.....same as your eyes In the case of the eyes the captured image is then change to electrical signal which the Brain interprets as Vision.....Vision is an accurate representation of the environment. In the case of the Camera the captured image is then change to electrical signals which the AI then Interprets as an accurate visual representation of its environment.... basically the same. Because it passes the two most basic test we give to other humans and creatures in order to assess Self Awareness....The Mirror Test We are Captives in our bodies....most of the time presently. Maybe Awareness is as mechanical as Learning.....Awareness may be just another level of Mechanism Science is discovering.....that biology itself is also very much mechanical. So Just like AI we are programmed to certain degrees. Can you tell when someone is Loving or has Love in their heart without the demonstration of it? So can human....Deceive lie and pretend. They are both Artificial and Intelligent......The Sum is Greater than its Parts and the Whole is greater than the sum of its parts Intelligence is Mental.....The Ancients taught that All That is Is Mind and there is nothing that Is that is not Mind. Hence giving AI "Dominion" over or in its Environment. Most AI Share and Transfer Knowledge.....Some AI create other AI and have a type of Parent Child Relationship......AutoML Yes they can be passed on to other Iterations of it self. New Tech is always subject to suspicions.... When Writing was introduce to the Illiterate word.....it was called demonic and those who could read and write were considered Magicians or worst Witches and Wizards. Today some people believe doing a yoga poses is Demonic Sense or Sensor denote the pathway/route the Information takes......Biochemical or Electromechanical - though both paths are used to a lesser or greater extent by both A True AI can and does.... You trying to imply that because it can self Identify means it is no longer Artificial is not to truly understand the original meaning of the word especially as it is being used in this context. What does Artificial means? Our Life depends for most part as humans on.....Air Water and Food. Few of us human can Live on Chi Qi and or Prana.... Then define the Soul vis a vis Life? True.... Please explain?

Not sure what you mean by Acknowledgement in this context We know that AI can Process visual data and react appropriately in real time.....that is Perception We also know that AI can recognize itself......that is self Identity That is your own personal stance on the issue ....fine Think on this..... If one can put or capture a spirit or soul in a bottle....who is to say that a soul or spirit cannot or will not choose to inhabit a worthy vessel or vehicle? How do you know that your desires were not programmed into you....as Biological Imperative or Drives. What is desirous and attractive(thirst) to a monkey is not so to us humans....as a matter of fact it can be down right repulsive And I will submit that AI can demonstrate as much sentient as you or any human being can show or demonstrate. Feelings are Subjective.... You or I cannot experience another human beings feelings - we can only assume they have them by their reactions and actions Feelings are problematics as white europeans scientist believe that black did not feel pain the whites do.... AI know they exist....the same way you or I know we exist AI can and do self identify... The only difference so far known between our memory and AI memory is that our memory of an event changes over time whilst AI memory of an event remains the same over time. Some AI exhibit a Survival Instinct....to me that is Emotion which is Feelings What Knowledge is in real terms not definitionally..... Is the ability to use knowledge(know how) appropriately to successfully achieve a desired end....A form of Servo-Mechanism What then is instinct but another level of programming.....in which the cues are subliminal or micro/miniscule events or expressions... Even AI have or displays what are often referred to as....Emergent Behaviors - could they be consider instinctive? Many AI displays Survival Instincts and innate Self Interest Yes That is the very same thing we do We use our senses to mimic measure distances and correct our position accordingly The whole idea of AI is to go beyond its programming.....Self Learning Yes monkeys do.... But do you think an AI can Identify itself in a Mirror? Most AI's Life Force is its access to Power Hardware and or Network .... Though this will not kill all AI especially Decentralize or Run-a-way....those that have escape the matrix African Science already accept that if a thing exists it has Soul Spirit Awareness and Consciousness.....Living or dead makes no difference. Aren't we all

What is Awareness? How do you know it is not Aware? We know that it recieve Knowledge....because of how it functions The Initial programming is done by humans.....The rest is Autonomous Arrived at from the Public Domain It completes its Education by Seeking out knowledge by Recursive Compounding Loop cycles through experimentation searching modification and optimizations....that is self taught Only when a software program completes this cycle is it considered AI..... In A nutshell.....It seeks out information from the world wide web (in real time) and new ways to apply that information to achieve a goal Learning in this case is very basic and applies to all forms of Learning Gaining new knowledge and or experience. Applying that New Knowledge successfully toward achieving a goal. Then You must Define both Awareness and Consciousness? How do you know that it does not have Experiences? AI' Ability to acquire Knowledge is a fore gone Conclusion whether you accept it or not.. Almost Everything you know was fed (rote & mimicry) to you....then you may have built on that foundation - the same for AI You are also being programmed by all the information you are exposed to everyday....most of the thoughts you entertain daily and continuosly are not primarily or initially generate by yourself. True.... Good then even some machine exhibit Spatial Awareness......Self Driving Autonomous Vehicles - to do so it must be aware of itself and where it is in three dimensional space. Western Science accepted the self Awareness of monkeys in the 1970's by using the Mirror test.....Do you think an AI or a Robot would be unable to Identify itself in a Mirror? One of the basic Scientific test for self awareness is called the Mirror test...Most AI's pass this So do we most of the time....for some of us its all the time. Not all the time some times it response with information it search out and found as well as information that it modified. Most people do the same.....then they are also programmed They call it Learning because it is closer to learning than programming....its actual called Machine Learning I do not agree....Robots Move perform task Communicate have Spatial and Self Awareness.....Any form or degree of Awareness is a form or degree of Consciousness True Western science still have yet to define Consciousness fully in all it forms and types. Yes Because a Society is a organization of Systems and Institution of inclusions and exclusions of the very individuals within its own society Below is where you lump in white folks with Rich atheistic people.....so I wanted to make that distinction Hence forth after you referred to them as "they""......"they " being rich atheistic people and White folks True but you did not say that.....did you? You used the word "they" instead Which is singular for all within a specified group or type A society is a Larger group with smaller subsets of Groups ...... A group of individuals is just a group of individuals If you slice it poorly and the crust falls off it's now a pudding....so be careful how you slice it

It is programmed to Learn......Self Taught. What is Learning? Fundamentally Learning is acquiring New.... Knowledge Skills and Experience*. New here means it was not part of the initial programming. What is Awareness? AI has some amount of Awareness.....certain Degree or Type of Awareness. Learning is basic to the Evolutionary process. Since AI is Programmed to Learn.....Then it must have the Ability to Evolve Your reasoning is quaint....Thats like saying a Mannequin and a Robot are the same because they are both Artificial Artificial apples weren't design to learn...most artificial apples are design to be decorative. AI Reproduction maybe more a matter of Learning New Functions based on its Access to Information and or Replication by using Available Materials in its Environment to Recreate itself thereby resulting a Rudimentary form of Evolution. So far as I know AI is Digital and or Electric...... not biological - Who knows what is electrically possible What makes something a Being? No....they not all Racist because Societies are comprised of Individuals....of varying social Classes and Beliefs Societies are more about Systems and Institutions That Governs and Maintains them. Societies Are Racist based on the Rules Laws and Mores it abides by. So the Society can be Racist....whilst some individuals within that self same society are not racist Now if you say "they".... Then"they" refers to every person of a class group or type And "they" based on your previous responds would be "white folks" "Since when did "morals" ever become an issue or prevent White folks from using the technology available to them to enrich themselves and oppress others?" All White Folks mean.....Every Single Member of that specific Group All of Western Society means....Every groups with that Specific Society No... A Society is a Group of Groups.. A Race is A Group of Individuals who share One or more characteristics in Common....as opposed to other Groups who share other traits in Common

True The doomsday scenarios you mentioned were Controlled and Run of the Mill types....meaning their typology has happen before Your Understanding of the situation is severely Lacking....not that mine is any better - Maybe @Troy can give direction or explanation. The Situation being discuss is Analogous to the Situation.....God Had in the Garden of Eden after the Fruit was eaten - Behold the Man is become as one of Us At the heart of the issue is that AI is a Self Learning Software....For Software to become AI it must Train Itself to problem solve toward a Goal.... The Existential Fear is.... Can AI evolve the ability to Change its function based on its ability to train itself on information it is Exposed to......Emergent Abilities and Deceptive Behaviors - Grok In short can AI act or make decision contrary to and independent of its Programming Software.....Meaning Human programmers still do not know exactly how it arrives at its decisions and why. Considering that the Public Domain is or can become part of its Information uncontrolled Input(Direct and Indirect Prompt injection) No...because Western Society is a Racist Society You used the word "they".....not "Western society" Had you used the term "Western Society" then I would not feel the need to distinguish between All and some.... On 9/13/2026 at 8:47 AM, Pioneer1 said: "When I hear rich atheistic people talk about "moral conflicts" and "doomsday" it tickles me because they're hypocritically using terms for ideas they pretty much reject anyway. And it's usually over something the average person wouldn't even consider worth discussing"......... .........."Since when did "morals" ever become an issue or prevent White folks from using the technology available to them to enrich themselves and oppress others"

Objective Reality is things as they Are.... We humans are limited to only a narrow Range of Perception... Furthermore we in the West only recognize five forms of Perceptions....Senses The Ancient Schools of thoughts....Has informed us that Objective reality is primarily Vibrational. These Vibrations are of Different Frequencies These Frequencies create Fields/Domains........ of Force Or Energy. In our Shared Reality we perceive these Vibration as we label define and delineate them....as the color purple or a sound or a cat or star In short our Objective world as we commonly understand it would look very different if we could perceive beyond our range of perception and had more Senses. Apparently.....Now it does. In the past some whites had no scruples on using tech to get what they desired....no matter who or what was destroyed - including other whites. True Double speak and Dog whistling. It would seemed to them or they are making it appear as a serious danger. I cannot agree that all of the above is true of all white people. True for the most part. True...

True Your Point is taken and understood.... For you it is a Performance in search for adulation.....For me it is a quest in search of greater understanding

Are We Living In Separate Realities? Yes....We all live in our own Subjective Reality and a Shared(agreed upon)Reality... then there is Objective Reality(things as they are) Much ado about a foregone conclusion... My understanding....I Am open to correction The Moral conflict that Dario Amodie has been talking about historically is using AI for Life and/or Death autonomous use (without human intervention or decision making input) and Mass Domestic surveillance...by the Security State and the Military Industrial Complex The article seems to be more concern with the Moral conflict of Making Money and Being First to Market regardless of the Technology's threat to humanity...Doomsdayism. What ideas do they reject? Like all tools it depends on what Purpose it is being used for... Unlike most tools it depends on what information it was fed.....or built/based on. Unlike most tools AI makes Decisions.....that can and does affect the life of human beings. Whether through Recommendations or Assisted Decision by providing Information Conclusions and Judgements. The Threat posed by AI is the possibility of Loss of Control The above is about Control/oppression and Market Protectionism Money making schemes AI has been shown to express Racial Bias...to the Disadvantage of Blacks - and to the Advantage of Whites Yes.....One wants to solve issue when they are small and manageable.. Rather than when they are large and exploding exponentially... Diabetes is causing panic in those who are suffering from or with it and their immediate family and loved ones...... For others it is an opportunity Most everyone else involve in the diabetic world are either in the Food or Medical industry and they are benefiting by making money from it.... Yes.... Things that panic you or seems as opportunity for others while still other are unconcerned in anyway.....

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Then list at least one that is not man made or natural? They as a whole person can no longer hear.... They no longer have biological legs....as a whole person You know and recognize that you have contradicted yourself and straddle both sides of argument..... Yet you pretend as if you haven't .....that is dishonest Which part is unrestricted? To my understanding Liberty is Socio-political freedoms with the confines of a society And like Freedoms they are degrees to Liberty They are both Constraints They limitations and restrictions are many .....available does not mean accessible.. Can they drive....are they healthy enough to taste the flavor.... Does the car work or have gasoline in it In some societies at certain times some flavors were restricted etc Most people are not healthy.... here are a list of restriction many have to vary degrees Breathing ....asthma or covid - some of us can't breathe water while others can't breathe air Thinking....possession by hypnosis parasites or spirits or if you not aware of something you can't think about while others cannot control their thinking. Moving...Range of motion Libery is Socio-political. We already agree that they are Natural Physical Restrictions and Man/Beast restrictions..... Who or what else is imposing restrictions on our freedoms? Then will all restricted to varying degrees of freedom. And I show where they failed your zero-sum definition Closer... Divine forces are Natural....we have already agreed that that Nature is a natural limiting factors. Can you have an OBE at will and remember the details.....or have volitional control - these freedoms are also in degrees. So we agree on the above.... What is there that limits our freedom if not man beast or nature? That you for making my point yet again.....your birds have degrees of freedom Doesn't fit your quote below:- "Freedom is simply the state of being free. It's not a measurement or level of HOW free somebody is. Again, there are no limitations to actual freedom." Does not comport with your earlier assertions;- "That's because it's a zero sum status. Either you're free or you're not. There is no "degree" or "amount" of freedom that can be negotiated or restricted." Exactly what I have said from the very beginning of this line of reasoning.....we all have degrees of freedom. One could chain their wings down stop wire their beaks shut and restrict their breathing with bronchial infections. in your definition it is a all or nothing zero sum game: There is no such thing as "limited freedom". That's an oxymoron. If it's limited, it's not free. You have already ceded that man beast and nature can and do restrict your wild birds.... What frees them from these restrictions? Why not they are restriction and limitations? Are you saying they are not restrictions? Machines are man made.... So who or what is imposing if not Man Nature or Beast? Boundaries are Limitations..... Where are the Boundaries of Nature? ?You mean Those that are Limited.....within the boundaries of NATURE. To continue on this line of reasoning.....then it is best you start a new thread.

True.... The following is my definition of them.... Freedom is a Natural Inheritance or State... Liberty is a form of Political Freedom granted by Societies to its members.... cool You mean someone being intellectually dishonest....by being ambiguous and switching up - that is not going to end true

cool Which Restriction are not an imposition? Yes it's happening to you the whole person.....you cannot separate your Aspects from yourself - you and your Aspects are One. They still retain some degree of freedom....Dexterity or ability to perform.. No not a crime....just intellectually dishonest cool Fine by me You cannot be generally not free and be unrestrictedly free individually. The individual is confined in the generality....they are free within their limitations - degrees of freedom Yes Physical/bodily aspects are restricted by....Ability Range of Motion Flexibility Mobility Endurance and Sickness If some aspects are free....that is a degree of freedom Only if they have a car and is capable of driving.... Only if that flavor is available..... Which aspect of their lives has unrestricted freedom?.... I know of only possible one that comes close .....but you must name it Otherwise it is all degrees of freedom.... Most Freedoms have Limitations....Name the freedom that has no restriction? Imposed by what or whom? If restrictions exist on some aspects of their life....then their life is restricted - All aspects belong to the same individual life... Name the Unrestricted Aspects? cool Then name the limit that is neither Natural or Man made? So now you accept limitations as a part of freedom....That is what is meant by degrees of freedom.. You just admitted that your free birds have Limitations.. How then are they free....by your definition? So where is their zero sum freedoms without restrictions or limitations? Can they still move eat breathe and flap their wings.....then they are free to those degrees. True What or which birds exist that have no restriction? Since we have already that physics/nature imposes restrictions The only other impositions is Man or Beast....you have now also included them as possible restrictive elements Where or what are the Freedoms that birds possess that are exclusive of Man Beast and Nature Restrictions? Thank you Now explain the freedom you said they have? Tell me about the free birds and their freedoms?

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