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untilMLK jr was born January 15th 1929 on a tuesday but the celebration is on the third monday of janaury by the uniform monday holiday act [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Monday_Holiday_Act ] His actual birthday is the fifteenth of january but the federal holiday is in a monday for three day weekends, like others. It is celebrated on the third monday in the month of january in every year since its inception in the Statian Empire. I ask you to share , historical fictions/prose/graphical artwork in any style concerning MArtin Luther King jr....I do wonder why Blacks in the U.S.A. can not come together and demand a true day off for this federal notice. And also share, officials days in a country outside the usa for a black person in history? In Amendment Why the holiday is on his the third monday and not his true birthday? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Monday_Holiday_Act MLK jr's views on Financial Accountability https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnKP__N7MNI MY 2020 speech https://aalbc.com/tc/blogs/entry/194-richard-murray-creative-table/page/7/?tab=comments#comment-820 MLK jr on Movies that Move We [ https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1785&type=status ] ON FINANCIAL ACCOUNTABILITY MY PROSE MLK jr day 1/20/2020 Many presented videos or text concerning M.L.K. junior today, the twentieth of January. As a point of note, Martin Luther King junior's birthday is on the fifteenth of January, not the third Monday of every January. I am not interested in trying to rewrite the legend of MLK junior. MLK junior like most other historical figures in the USA was made legend after doing legendary things by others, not themselves, by those with agenda. It is more important to change the message in current media than to try to change the influence of past media using current media. My issue is ownership. Martin Luther King junior, asked a simple thing to the black statian, the black community in the USA. Do not use the ways of whites on the path to ownership. It may sound simple but, it is not, historically the ways of whites have never been undone concerning ownership. Comprehend a simple historical fact. People of white European, white is a phenotypical label while European is a geographic, descent are not the majority owners in the united states of america based on positive merit, or decency, or any positive angle. Every inch of land in the u.s.a. today is owned or controlled by the u.s.a. government, itself ranked mostly with whites, or in private white ownership, through various transfers after it was originally taken by killing native americans. Absent land how many firms will exist in the USA? What will the banks or the agricultural firms be in the u.s.a absent slavery? For all the technological modifications by usa based agricultural firms or investments in Silicon Valley in the stock markets, where will any bank or agricultural firm be in the usa without their original fiscal activities involving slaveholders accounts or slave labor for growing produce. Notice I did not refer to an individual person. I am speaking to the white community. The white community in the usa used negative means to become owners and then become financially successful owners. Martin Luther King junior spoke to Black people, grow, be strong, become owners of your own community and beyond; but don't kill another for their land, don't take another person's land, don't enslave another, do not do for yourself, your bloodline, your community by harming others. This is the reality of ownership in the u.s.a. White people help themselves, their community, built on their forebears originally harming others or themselves continuing to harm others. Martin Luther King Junior did not want black people to develop a negative character, a negative legacy, to be unmerited while trying to help their own. He asked a very challenging thing. Martin Luther King junior once said, it is a crude jest to tell a bootless man to lift himself up by his bootstraps. But he also felt the bootless man should not lessen his character by stealing another man's boots. He felt the bootless man should be strong enough to merit his boots through craft, labor, or another's kindness. As a black kid growing up, in a black community, incorrectly labeled but widely labeled, the black mecca, I realized how little the black community in Harlem owned. And in parallel, I knew how much various white communities in New york city owned, more importantly how they owned them. What would the Irish or Italian or white Jewish communities be in new york city absent their mobs, correctly glorified in constant movies. It was the white jewish, italian or irish mobs, the gangsters, the rum runners, the extortionists, the thieves, that had a largest or initial role in the development of ownership in those communities in New York city. I end, with a simple truth, the Black community in Harlem, a cultural district in Manhattan in new york city in new york state, in the united states of america, owns little to nothing in Harlem, yesterday or today. The history of the u.s.a. proves all ownership in the u.s.a. comes from those who were willing to negatively, or through negative actions, earn it. MLK junior asked black people to reject that historical truth, even when we own so little. If the Black statian can keep that hope of MLK jr. alive and one day exist in a u.s.a. where Black people own more than all others, or at least enough to not need another community. It will be a testament to MLK junior’s faith. And make the Black community have a pride, worth more than all the years whites owned far more. https://youtu.be/RnKP__N7MNI Poetry or more audiobook series https://www.kobo.com/us/en/search?query=Poetry or More&fcsearchfield=Series&seriesId=06baba96-5af5-5d24-9b8a-f06360287dc9 MLK jr on Movies that Move We Movies that Move WE- Selma MY COMMENT odd that this year, MLK jr day is the same time as Marcus Garvey's birthday.. I think the contrast between marcus garvey's long term vision as opposed to the long term vision of MLKjr or his predecessors, WEB DUbois when young or earlier Frederick DOuglass , concerning the relationship of blacks in the americas americas to whites in the americas. Now to the video... 6:40 yes, MLK jr was not a fool about being an advocate . He knew it wasn't financially grand nor had a great chance of true success. But, the identity of a christian baptist preacher was important to regaling. 8:04 yes, black businesses had a huge role in financing the civil rights movement of the 1960s, I wonder if they got their money's worth 9:01 black christian women have always been the backbone or the administration or communal arrangement of the black church. 9:32 My home had people who were at the march on washington. I concur to Nicole, having people who were in the home who experienced the history is key, but only truly matters if they convey it 11:10 yes Nicole , the disconnect is the communities fault. Every community in the usa, from the embattled native american to the afghanistani's from the iraq war have to teach who they are to their children and all who fail to get the proper results 14:14 good point, Nike, the illusion that the past is so far from the present. Like the racial is so far from the post racial 15:35 good dialog, Nicole/Nike about the progression of black history in the usa and how the black community has changed very fast while also very irratically for various reasons 16:47 You two offer the question many have asked before and many will ask after... how did the black community not maintain a highly serious collective tone from circa 1850 to circa 2022 ? 19:47 Nicole, urgency from whom? How many black people, who are in elected office, are millionaires, feel the sense for urgency seriously? they all will say urgency is needed. but, how many truly feel that? 26:41 MLK jr is a legendary speaker, funny how Malcolm is also the son of a preacher man 27:55 the last speech from mlk jr in harlem was at the riverside church, which has the largest carillon in the world https://www.democracynow.org/2022/1/17/mlk_day_special_2022#:~:text=We play his “Beyond Vietnam” speech%2C which he,Copy may not be in its final form. where do we go from here https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/where-do-we-go-here 29:35 yes, but history books in mass education generally soften history. Histories details are by default, not a quick thing. Histories details, show how jews helped the naziz. How hong kong was the epicenter of domination by the united kingdom over the entirety of china. Histories details, show the good or supposed innocent are not that good or innocent, how the bad or supposed hellish are not that sinful or devious. In conclusion, you two made a lovely dialog, but I will suggest you made one potent absence. All to often, black people say, what are we not doing? but answer in your own way, what do we need to do? I know a number of black men who went to the million man march and the reality is, black men showed up to what the black organizers had planned, but the black organizers had no plan whatsoever? Black men came from around the usa to be guided with functionality or purpose not words or chastizement. I will give an example, if a million black men came together, and asked me what to do. I can suggest, make a credit union. Each man who is here put a dollar into a collection and give each man a vote over how the money is used. Is it a brilliant plan? no. It is very simple. but it is function/purpose. It isn't a "do good fellas" speech. What do you two black women want black people to do specifically, name one thing? A last point, Haile Sellasie offered land before his ousting by the communist party of ethiopia , only a third of it was given by the communist government of ethiopia , but it went to rastafarians, who grabbed the opportunity. I am doing research to see how the black people of HArlem Selassie had originally offered the land did not know, reject it or failed interest while black people from jamaica jumped on it. The town is called Shashamane. 1/15/2026 hmmm @Pioneer1 first thank you for stating where you think he went wrong. of the three comments your the only one which means 33% I ponder how many black people are unwilling to question the likes of mlk jr in 2026 ? I have no way of getting a statistic but by this simple post the potential is frightening. I know I haven't spoken on your judgment but it's funny in this community we can bicker with each other so easily and then some of us in here can't speak a judgement against dead leaders. It is a revealing balance. Now you said you loved MLK jr so your critiques are not condemnations. Just assessments all should have in the future to any past. now to your critiques, Well what leaders talked before mlkjr talked about empowered separation? they were the exodusters[based on collective land ownership to make base black towns first, not black people owning land in white towns]+ the garveyites[based on business ownership initially, then geographic distance{far east asia is the farthest from western europe so the garveyites had a point about distance}]+booker t washington[black colleges which were extensions of the black education movement immediately started at the end of the war between the states] MLK jr was born in 1929. By 1929 all the strongest empowered separation movements in the black populace had lost much of their momentum. None died, arguably none are dead, but their momentum wasn't what it was in the late 1800s. So MLK jr didn't have a reference growing up of empowered separation. The only reference he had was integration in various forms. From atlanta, to morehouse, to the greater georgia integration was the system about him. Could he had focused on empowered separation ? 100% yes. Would it been a bad choice? no idea, but it could had succeeded. Was an example around to compel him? no. He needed a successful example. MLK jr like most leaders is thoughtful. The reason something isn't present isn't because it can't work but because it will take more time or more effort to do. The usa government has a very big problem in terms of federal application, in equal access and opportunity. The power of states rights. It is the year 2026 and Schrumpt is the first president after circa two hundred and fifty years to try and actually impose the federal government on the states with the resources to actually do something. Not merely cause of federal power but states in the usa are lower than they are ever been, all are welfare recipients. the original idea was states would never need the federal government. Andrew jackson, Abraham Lincoln, even FDR for all of their fervor, didn't have the means to actually make a federal imposition on the states like Schrumpft today. What does this mean? states got away with a lot of federal crimes within themselves, because the constitution clearly gives states freedom to be themselves and forces citizens to take a state to court for changes. This is why white people burned black people out of the south, because by deleting our voting power, it meant we couldn't use the vote to change the states, we could only use the legal system which is very slow compared to a state wide elections. The constitution is clear, states are not to be ruled by the federal government, which means what. If you are black in mississippi, and white people have raped your wife, burned your children, put your elders in jail without due process or with laws that are uneven in design. If all the actions are finalized within the legal designs of the state of mississippi, you can only take missisppi to court over each action toward the supreme court. That is the only nonviolent solution in the usa for any person from a populace with a minority in a state. The black populace in misssisippi doesn't have the numbers to push people into government and get laws to support it by MLK jr's time. MLK jr was a pastor, third generation, of a black church. No black christian congregation in the 1900s would accept preaching about collective violence. Protecting oneself? 100% but being in a violent mob? no. So what your suggesting was doable by him, but he would had to stop being a preacher to do that. Because nonviolence in the usa means taking whomever your suing to the supreme court,a very lengthy process , one that is not guaranteed to get to the surpreme court, and one most importantly, that doesn't necessarily stop the person/entity being sued from continuing their actions. While the said black man in mississippi is suing, white people are harassing or worse constantly. Your top down is doable, but It isn't impossible. The NAACP was full of lawyers for that reason; their strategy was take every federal crime at the state levels to the supreme court. But so many crimes at the state level occurred. The volume was i argue insurmountable. MLK jr didn't spend enough time on the heritage/what is carried + culture/what is grown of DOSers. He clearly comprehended the importance, ala his plea to Nichelle Nichols. As an aside , I ponder your thoughts on the larger black church? from circa 1865 to 1965 arguably, the black churches in the usa, all denominations combined, are the center of black life. What hindered the churches from focusing on heritage+ culture? Chruches financed lawyers, got food together, helped make shelter, churches did many things, communally, but when it came to emboldening DOS heritage + culture they didn't do much. They didn't even make a book of negro spirituals standard in every black christians pocket. Cause, the negro spirituals is the earliest and purest black DOS christian liturgy or public work. Before black descended of enslaved christians had the bible they had negro spirituals. Great point here. Your second part slightly answers the last segment of the first. I argue that MLK jr and others , many others, wanted the culturee of the black descended of enslaved populace to be as shepards to a better usa for all peoples, this goes back to frederick douglass and the 1800s black church. they knew the heritage was of a people who survived white terror but I think their culture was as a people who made the integrated future nonviolently. and thus by 2026 would become the heritage. Which arguably it has. IF you look at media, most non blacks in the usa view black people as the integrators in the usa. More than anyone else. They made that choice. And it even has precedent. Remember, the first three black tribes when the usa was founded were: the enslaved black folks who are chained while whites in the usa are gaining freedom circa 85%,the black freemen who are trying to stop the usa, with the promise of freedom, which oddly enough, most of them get even though england lost circa 10%, and then the black separatist, fighting alongside whites who publicly supported black enslavement to whites, who would circa 90% be reenslaved at the end of the war. The black separatist were circa 5% of the percent of black folk. So the black folk who fought for the usa to be born circa july 4th is the historical precedent for the pan human rights fighting of the 1960s. Arguably, the black freemen have always existed, whether called black loyalist who also fought in the war of 1812 or black legions fighting in french colors in the commonly called world war one, but during after the commonly called world war 2, that for black alone became very small as a movement in the usa. 01/16/2026 citation https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12293-mlk-jr-day-is-on-the-19th-in-2026/#findComment-79387 @aka Contrarian MLK jr was a leader, not the leader of the civil rights movement. First the movement against Jim Crow started before MLK jr was born, and ended after MLK jr died so MLK jr was a leader, as much of a leader as Fannie Lou Hamer, or Frederick Douglass or Fred Hampton. Fred Hampton made the framework the entire donkey party mimicked. Madame CJ Walker and her daughter I argue were the two biggest civil rights leaders , with only the black hotel owner who financed MLK jr as their peer financially, cause those three people positively influenced alot of black people in ways very few other black people had or will, take out marcus garvey and the garveyite movement, because they had money. My question is why do black people say MLK jr was THE leader of the movement against Jim Crow when all black people should know he wasn't. 16 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: MLK didn't ask to be the leader of the Civil Rights movement. No he didn't ask to be THE leader, but he wanted to be AN advocate for Black people and he was ... What your talking about is the difference between one's media role and one's true role. MLK jr was like MAlcolm like Stokely like Angela Davis, A leader. None of them were THE leader. Now in Media , which I Argue is the problem, MLK jr was posited in white owned media as THE Leader. And the Black Church at that time, who again, needs to be called out, pushed MLK jr in their aisles because he wasn't an areligious student: stokely, he didn't hold a gun : panthers, he wasn't a non christian: malcolm, he wasn't a non college educated woman: fanni lou hamer. So Balck churches did emphasize MLK jr to their forever dishonor for their own media agenda of attracting black people to the black christian church. 16 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: It was a responsibility thrust upon him because he was so good at articulating grievances. It was like, he woke up one morning during the Montgomery bus boycott and all of sudden he was its leader! no whites did that. Whites in media did that. The black church did that. They both whites + the black church saw in MLKjr everything they wanted in black leadership. And the proof he wasn't THE leader is he was never head of the southern black leadership conference. why does that matter? that post would had been better for him. But he was used as the media front man, as a leader. 16 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: He did not have time to map out a precise strategy or a long range grand plan, he and his cobbleled-together posse just kinda made it up as they went along, with Mahatma Gandhi's nonviolent philosophy as their inspiration. But he wasn't alone, the way your describing this history is for me very false. If a black child reads your words, they will think MLK jr was walking around alone doing everything. That is a lie. Others made plans like Ruffin. The truth is Ruffin was always about integration because Ruffin was , like FRederick Douglass before him, viewing black empowerment as part of human empowerment. Ruffin was a faggot who knew very well most black people in the 1950s 1960s wouldn't accept his true self in public, even though they talk of rights, they woudl want to curtail his rights, same thing with frederick douglass who had a white mistress. both of them had lives that denied black in various ways and so they wanted black empowerment but they wanted black empowerment within a greater human allowance in the usa. 16 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: The idea of making a lot of long-range, multi-faceted demands was out of the question at that time. The movement just focused mainly on equal opportunities, and King endeavored to appeal to the conscience of his oppressors. This is not true. Your forgetting the movement was not in a vaccuum. The movement against Jim Crow which was from 1865 to 1980 , was being fought by black people absent weapons or an allowance of weapons aside whites with all the power. So, black people had to make everything as an arrangement with white desires and multifaceted demands were never going to happen in one whole phase with white people. For example, white people knew other whites would terrorize black people in the former confederacy but that terror led to a falsely incarcerated black populace rebuilding the south and kickstarting a financial boom for white people that kept down white on white violence. White people knew other white people were terrorizing black people in the west, the exodusters, but white people needed that land for new white immigrants to increase the domestic market and didn't trust black people's position toward native americans, whom white immigrants killed in the bulkload. It is known Frederick Douglass pushed black people on the underground railroad to not go to canada, which was best for those black people. But why? because douglass wanted black people in the usa to be tied to this country, he hated the idea of black people leaving the usa. So black people were definitely multifaceted, but white people only allowed simple wins. 16 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: Integration was a counter to the separate but equal policy that was nothing more than subtle Jim Crowism. Integration represented fellowship and harmony where little black boys and girls would join hands with their white counterparts and partake of equality through tolerance. It was a dream; hence King's "I have a dream" speech. In retrospect , cheap , very cheap retrospect, years ago , which I talked about in this very forum, I oppose how people speak of integration in the usa. The people in the USA from 1492 to 2026 has always been integrated, never separated. Jim Crow is a form of integration. Did Black people work for non blacks? yes. Did black people buy from non blacks? yes. did non blacks buy goods from blacks? yes. Did blacks and non blacks have two separate theaters ? no, black people had to go to the theater white people owned. Did blacks and non blacks have two separate bus lines? no, black people had to use the bus line white people owned. Black people use the word segregated when they work for whites, live in a mostly white town, use a white owned bus, buy from white stores who are the only stores in town. Most Black people in the usa live a totally integrated life with whites from 1865 to modernity, but it is rarely an even life an equal life. The truth is the USA problem was never separate but equal, ask the native american. The USA's problem was equal but uneven. Everybody is human in the usa, from the european colonial phase to 2026, but the opportunities, rights, armed power, were never even or equal. The USA was never in majority application segregatory. Jim Crow was a form of integration. Enslavement before Jim Crow was a form of integration. The white massa in the house is not segregated from blacks pre 1865. Who cleaned massa's clothes? blacks . whose labor did massa profit off of? blacks. Who did massa fuck without payment? blacks. who cooked massa's meals? blacks. who cleaned massa's house? blacks. who played music and entertained massa or his guest? blacks. Massa say's he segregated from blacks while blacks are apart of every second of massa's life, that is not segregation. That is integration. Inequal, uneven? 100% but it is 100% integration. Integration isn't a dream. The form of integration MLK jr championed in speeches, or somewhat in appearance in fiction is star trek, is the hardest form of integration to acquire. Because that form of integration requires each individual to relinquish all biases, positive or negative, and that isn't easy. 16 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: In hindsight, it's easy to criticize him for not embracing the militancy of those like Malcom X and the Black Panthers. But MLK was a man of his times and he was just beginning to re-think his goals when he was assassinated. Many think his taking a stance against the Vietnam war was a mistake but his doing so was in keeping with his pacifism. yes, hindsight is always cheap because one in a future can never know what they will do in the past. But, hindsight isn't unwarranted. We all make mistakes. It is interesting you suggest a negative judgement from MLKjr for not being militant. Though , again I don't think MAlcolm or the Black PAnthers were ever truly militant. They weren't warlike. MAlcolm + the Panthers were demanding self defense over the court room. That isn't militancy, that is looking at all the black people who have been murdered by whites who flouted the law in the usa or the european colonies that preceded it. The law didn't and doesn't protect black people from white violence. has it? If a group of whites are hunting me, how can I protect myself? quote the constitution or the declaration of independence? how can nonviolence save a black life? Has nonviolence ever saved one black life? did it save emmitt till? sean bell? The brother chocked to death in NYC, I can't breath? the brother int he train a white man chocked to death? Did SOnya MAssey get saved by non violence? Did yusef hawkins get saved by non violence? Did breonna taylor get saved by non violence? Did clifford glover get saved by nonviolence? Malcolm + The Black Panthers were not telling black people to have a combined armed revolt. Stokely either. Did fred hampton get saved by non violence? Why do some black people think, when another black person says, have a gun for these whites, that infers some sort of plan to kill all the whites? Is it some desire by some blacks to deny their own true hatred of whites while condemning other black people for simply being honest about the black condition in the usa? As james baldwin said, his father worked for whites his whole life, was a christian man, and hated whites more than anyone. prayed to go to heaven to be free of whites. Heaven don't have to be happy. The funny thing about MLKjr's stance is nearly all black leaders in his time were against the Vietnam war. Poor Sammy is a complicated thing. Malcolm/Martin/Stokely/The Panthers/Muhammed Ali... name me five Black leaders in the usa during MLK jr's time who were for the vietnam war? White people in majority, thank you Ken Burns in PBS for the proof, were in majority for the vietnam war. The vietnam war made billions per year. So MLK jr being against the Vietnam war was a mistake in that the white people who placed him in an elevated media position in white media, not equal to his functional position in the anti jim crow movement, were publicly for the war or profiting off the war. 16 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: A cigarette-smoking, scotch- drinking, womanizing King was not perfect, but he fought the good fight, and paved the way for those who eventually came to criticize him for not having more foresight. I lived through King's era, and to me and my contemporaries, he was a real live hero who died a martyr. My parents and a number of my blood relatives who i was able to learn of their experiences during Kings life, older than king or younger than king, all spoke positively of him. None of them suggested any falsehood, but each was able to admit problems. As well as admit a more honest environment than you suggest. And I oppose the notion of MLK jr as a womanizer. Yes, I speak now as a heterosexual male. Yes, MLK jr like all heterosexual men gets a hard on for more than just the woman he loves with his heart. yes. A man doesn't love a woman less because his dick gets hard for a woman not his wife. Womanizer. MLK jr loved coretta scott king with his heart. And it isn't a knock on coretta scott king that another black woman just might have a sexier ass than hers. And as for cigarette smoking or drinking alcohol, this was what nearly all adults did at that time , why is that a negative on MLK jr? AKA Contrarian, if you have reached this far, .. MLK jr was a great black leader, who was human and made mistakes, which we in the future should be able to admit to so that we can do better. But, MLKjr was never the leader of the anti jim crow movement, he was one of many great black people who made intricate plans, but had to deal with white power which limited all results. @Pioneer1 just from a labeling perspective, this goes back to my issue with people using the term communism. I said it already, but communism is a form of fiscal capitalism. Communism isn't a form of socialism because of one party of governance under a government plus a government having a larger role as a fiscal operator. Communism is merely fiscal capitalism with one party having overwhelming majority and the government taking 80% or more of the fiscal operation. The usa in its very history had one party at one time, the federalist. Now the usa originally had a very financially impotent federal government who had very little of the fiscal operation , but the federal government of the usa today is without question the biggest fiscal operator in the usa, so barring two parties whose dysfunction makes them one plus the financial role of the federal government of the usa today? is not the usa communist? It is like I say with Troy race/class/rank/order/classification/species/clan all have the same basic definition. Some arrangement of things based on a factor. When black people or non blacks say, race doesn't exist? how? do humans being not look different? do human beings not have clan names? do human beings not call themselves by a religious label? race is ever present. Does this mean a consensus exist on race? no. No consensus exist on race. Yes, you will never get consensus on race, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. When you call yourself human, that is racist? And as always , for some reason, many humans hate the term bias. They love talking falsely on race and never like to use the word bias correctly, cause most instances of race is really bias. And that goes back to integration in the usa. White negative bias towards blacks mixed with white power means black people lived and most still live integrated while totally unequal or uneven to whites based on white negative bias. It is 2026. we have to stop using words falsely. Race is real, race will never have a consensus of definition, nor should it, but it is real, and comes in more forms than just phenotype. Fiscal capitalism has been the system throughout all humanity , yes in variations with elements of other ideas but always fiscal capitalsm at heart. The anti jim crow movement, was never led by one black leader because it lasted from 1865 to 1980, the entirety of the jim crow era which came after the era of slavery from 1492 to 1865 and was followed by the era of the rainbow coalition from 1980 to today. But slavery, jim crow, and the rainbow coalition eras are all forms of integration, with the levels of eveness or equality best in the rainbow, worst in slavert. And, the limitations Black people have in the usa were and always tied to the integration with whites which is not even or equal but more positive in those two ways than ever before. Citation https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12293-mlk-jr-day-is-on-the-19th-in-2026/#findComment-79390 Posted just now @aka Contrarian 20 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said: Be advised that I had no problem with King smoking and drinking and liking women because I'm not a prude. And I was drinking Scotch and smoking his brand of Salem cigarettes myself. are you a film noir lover?:) 20 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said: To me, his indulgences made him more human. And he also had a very droll sense of humor which I related to. well said:) 20 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said: I speak from the zeitgeist of my environment when I comment on his leadership. I lived in the Midwest, not the Jim Crow South, and from our perspective, as spectators, he seemed to have just sprouted from nowhere, greatly helped by TV and his charisma. You'd be surprised how much of a spectator many "negroes" were during the civil rights era inasmuch as we were not in the trenches but, instead, simply offering the activists our moral and financial support. To us, the Movement was an idea whose time had come, and we admired and supported both him and Malcolm. I didn't know you were from the midwest, I see:) No I wouldn't, my elders said very clearly when we were watching malcolm x, , the film, I paraphrase "that is a lie, black people laughed at malcolm" My elders were there. this country, the usa , loves near history rewrites doesn't it. From the very beginning, the european colonies made mythos out of themselves. In one generation from the mayflower, white european invaders had created a false heritage of good peaceful folk trying to make their way in the world beset by wild savages who dont't comprehend civilization, said wild savages supposedly all native americans. Hell, most people supported the vietnam war. if you look at films, you will think the vietnam war was hated by most or at least opposed. but that isn't the truth. So the usa has a very negative heritage of lying about near history, which tends to become commonly accepted in it. Not in AALBC of course:) 1/17/2026 Citation https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12293-mlk-jr-day-is-on-the-19th-in-2026/#findComment-79431 @ProfD Well, first MLK jr alone didn't do anything. The idoltry to him I am 100% certain he would oppose cause MLK jr wasn't the leader of the anti jim crow movement, he was a leader. HE was part of a group of Black people doing many things, often in concert to help the larger village. So no matter what one black person is doing, if they are not part of a group of people doing similar it will come to nothing. where are the groups of Black people doing something together? Cause no one was a superman during the 1960s for black people. I don't think MLK jr would praise his activities or status so greatly. And not from modesty but honesty. How many black children have been killed by whites since MLK jr died? I count many. How many black peple have been assaulted by whites from no provocation of their own, being nonviolent, since MLK jr died? You speak of what MLK jr did and yet what he did wasn't enough to stop the millions of assaults on black people from his death to now in the usa by whites. Mae Louise Walls Miller was freed side her blood relatives from enslavement pre jim crow style in 1963. Malcolm was murdered 1965. MLK jr was murdered 1968. So Both men and many other black leaders died less than five years from a known case of black enslavement to a white in the usa... MLK jr was a great leader but the environment for the greater black people proved failures on the parts of those before him like boooker t washington or web dubois and the environment after mlk jr proved the failures on the part of MLK jr and his peers like malcolm. well so could MAlcolm, so could medgar evers... the list is long. Your speaking of one man when a large group of black people in the time MLK jr lived warranted as much or more than hime, and had as much or greater opportunity for personal financial betterment. 1/18/2025 CITATION https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12293-mlk-jr-day-is-on-the-19th-in-2026/#findComment-79450 osted just now @ProfD 17 hours ago, ProfD said: Nowhere have I written that Dr. MLK Jr. was Superman. Of course, he was the spokesman for a movement. your correct, but he wasn't the leader, but a leader, and the spokesman role was given to him by others. 17 hours ago, ProfD said: Because Dr. MLK Jr. was not a Supreme Being, there's nothing he could have done about those realities. exactly, but you presented a level of idolization to MLK jr that warrants anyone to state a less idolized opinion, which I did. I quote you, I On 1/15/2026 at 4:54 PM, ProfD said: I dare not criticize Dr. MLK Jr.s non-violent approach On 1/15/2026 at 4:54 PM, ProfD said: FBA/AfroAmericans and ALL Black people on the planet owe a huge debt of gratitude to him. 17 hours ago, ProfD said: Again, in hindsight it's easy to claim Dr. MLK Jr.'s efforts "proved failures". Civil Rights and affirmative action doesn't happen without his influence and effort. I also mentioned other leaders, it is interesting that you focus on the mentioning of mlk jr when i mentioned leaders before or after him with the same failures, and said leaders before mlk jr were needed for the black collegiate movement/naacp /garveyites and et cetera which was mandatory in the early anti jim crow era for the later laws to come into being. 17 hours ago, ProfD said: Dr. MLK Jr.'s impact must have been significant from the number of schools, streets and other institutions named after him. again, that is media, not truth. The movement by Black people made the impact, white owned media + the black church created the myth of mlkjr as THE leader when he wasn't, he was a leader, among many, but he was the only leader that fit everything white media or the black church needed. And as in all the schools named after george washington who was a leader not THE leader of the colonies freeing from the english empire. 17 hours ago, ProfD said: there's nothing anyone can say or do that will ever make me question or minimize the impact Dr. MLK Jr. had on ALL Black people up to present and future. so mlk jr is beyond questioning ? i question all peoples. I don't have an idolization of anyone in that way, though i wonder how many black people similarly idolize bond. And, I never minimize the impact of the movement of Black people. It is interesting you focus so much on mlkjr. hiding behind the theme of this post your own idoltry. which I oppose. @Pioneer1 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I know very few human beings who are so far "above" even a philosophical critique. no human being is, because we are human being. But the problem is that, some people unfortunately, think negative judgement lessens the value of another, or questioning another lessers said anothers role. It is very jesus /pope/schrumpft like, that thinking. 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: it seems he should have known how possible or impossible it would be for Black people to get along with these people. well, remember, black people when the usa was started still were able to get along, not all black people were enslaved. I am not suggesting, that anyone black should assume a peaceful life aside whites in the usa, but I Can see a black person coming to the conclusion that a peaceful coexistence can be a goal. Nothing is easy, but I can comprehend it. Would I have chosen it? no, but neither did nat turner, or assata shakur... so, I don't mind some black leaders having that path. 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Federal law still always "trumps" (no pun intended) states' laws. Federal law supersedes state law like state law supersedes local law. right but this is why the congress is the only branch of government that can make law. the congress is born from the states. it isn't executive. even though schrumpft is part of a change started since abraham lincoln 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Because there was no threat to AfroAmerican culture to justify them doing so. hmmm I get your demographic position. but since the black populace was minoirty to the white, even before the 1900s immigrant waves, wasn't the heritage or culture of DOSers always in need of attention. Maybe not danger, but I don't think the black church built up what needed to be carried/heritage, or tended what needed to be grown/culture. It is interesting that sinners comes out one year before the usa's 250 year anniversary, one of the messages in the movie is the black churches hindrance. The blues players father, is a hater. a knocker. he doesn't want to help, he wants to knock. We all know how many black churches criminalized black people who didn't sing gods music, before 1940, as well as after. Your right, their wasn't competition among minoirty quantities in the populace BUT why did the black church not try to bridge booker t and wed dubois/garvey and dubois/ garvey and booker t? why did the black church treat blues and jazz musicians so negatively? why did the black church treat hustlers so negatively? the my way highway vibe of black churches before the immigrant waves came, i argue was very detrimental to the larger populace later. yes, cheap hindsight but it is clear. And i argue with their role, no excuse existed, no excuse. 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Capitalists AND Dictators by controlling the workers, not giving them a real say-so, and enjoying the fruits of the labor of the masses. your wrong about china. China has an engaged bureaucracy. People vote, I argue china has more involvement of its people in its government than the usa does or a western european country does, not just in raws numbers but in percentage. Remember the current chinese government is a creature of the 19000s, and one born from being enslaved to the usa/japan/western union. Thsoe three groups taught china to dislike the media dysfunction of government. countries that have big songs and big flags that hide the ugliest realities. the usa calls itself the land of freedom, while in truth has only destroyed many peoples. the usa is a white european country trying to sell itself as it isn't. China is proud to be a chinese country, who at least is more honest to the immigrant than the usa by a mile. I know your a statian, Pioneer, you have a pride about the usa from the black history that supported it. And china as a white asian country, is an enemy of the usa, although why wouldn't china be when the usa at one time owned a piece of china. North korea is a monarchy. It isn't like china. And, because I don't find any government system sinful I will say, North Korea's has two problem. 1st is the usa, who has put north korea, like iran , like cuba, under a severe strain on all fronts. The historically funny thing is iran + cuba+ north korea have one thing in common, they each insulted the usa, neither actually ever committed a crime to the usa while the usa committed crimes to them. the usa invaded cuba using cuban traitors and failed, the usa's murdering europhile puppet in iran failed, and the usa invaded korea when north korea had the whole peninsula but north korea survived. After 9/11 the usa talked about being invaded and axis of evil, and lied about afghanistan or iraq, but, based on the reaction the usa had to 9/11, cuba+iran+north korea have the right to bomb the usa. 2nd, the kim jong clan have to embrace a simple truth, the usa took their fate, absent usa involvement all of korea is led by the kim jong clan, but the usa as a country of power meddled. tehe kim jong clan have to find a way to end the demilitarize zone. I know no koreans made the zone but that is the challenge. 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: So next time me and Troy get into a fight over the existence of multiple races, I expect you to answer the call and pull up to the scene for some back-up....LOL 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: They should have started 30 or 40 years ago by vehently going after everybody....including other Black people...who were openly promoting what once were whispered rumors of his womanizing and cheating on Coretta. we all know the truth, the panthers/naacp/baptist preachers/drug dealers, the fbi and cia had agents everywhere. in all organizations including white ones. I have always asked that the old files be made public. I think all of humanity could use every single agent of the 1900s whether dead or alive exposed. cause I think that would explain a lot but.... @aka Contrarian 7 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: that his people laughed at Malcom I said my forebears saw black people laughing at Malcolm, not that my forebears laughed. But yes, many people in harlem laughed at malcolm in the street. And your surprise shows the strength of media. media has created a myth of malcolm + mlk jr that is false. Two great leaders, more alike than different. each wanting integration or peace. Both eloquent speakers. their only true difference as leaders was mlk jr , from the christian baptist heritage, speaks through hope, while malcolm learned from his father, not elijah muhammed but his father, to speak through truth. white people in the usa historically hate any black person who speaks through truth far more than any other black person. the native american is irrelevant, the white american is a true sinner, black dosers are cowards, immigrant americans are foolish traitors. IT doesn't mean each has to be that way forever, or is that way in every single individual, but it is the majority truth. 8 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: militant counterpart how do you define militancy? cause I have never seen malcolm as militant? I think he was a garveyite like his father, I think he did believe in self defense which his father+ mother needed, but so did mlk jr? is exhibiting self defense a sign of militancy? or is not saying things to make others comfortable , militancy? when I think black militancy, I think of nat turner/jean jacques dessalines/the black loyalists/the quilombos in south america/ann zhinga against the portuguese. I don't think of malcolm or the panthers. 1/18/2026 CITATION https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12293-mlk-jr-day-is-on-the-19th-in-2026/#findComment-79464 @aka Contrarian 1 hour ago, aka Contrarian said: you disagreed with my calling Malcom X "militant" and asked what I consider "militant". Malcom was famous for the response he'd give when questioned about how he'd combat white aggression. "By any means necessary," was his adament response. And the Black Muslim quasi-military Fruit of Islam group presented the impression of being his back-up. This is a militant stance that didn't align with King's passive resistance philosophy which is why I and a lot of others considered Malcom militant. He talked tough. Wasn't Malcolm's father murdered by whites? around your neck of the usa in the midwest? He didn't talk tough, he talked from experience. The experience of a Black child who witnessed his nonviolent preacher father be murdered by whites for the crime of wanting black ownership and preaching to other black people to leave the usa if they are unhappy. A black child who witnessed his yella, black mother, be drove into a living prison by white power. MLK jr's father was never murdered by whites even though Gerogia is full of violent whites. MLK jr's mother was never drove into a living prison even though the bureaucracy of georgia has done so to many black women. 1 hour ago, aka Contrarian said: And I disagree with your implication that Malcom was in agreement with MLK on integration. He wasn't entirely opposed to white assistance but he was iinitially a black separatist advocate until he broke ranks with Elijah Muhammad later on. Malcolm was born from parents who were exodusters or garveyites or preacher folk? right? wasn't that malcolm's guidance as a youth. Exodusters aren't militant or segregated. yes, they want seperate places in the usa for black people , but they never advocated violence except in self defense. And isn't self defense eternally warranted by black people based on white actions? What year have whites not harmed a black person and gotten away with it in the usa? I argue MAlcolm , pre during or post elijah muhammed , always embraced that some black folk need to leave white countries all together in a true segregation/garvey, some black folk need to have their own seperate places in a white country/exodusters , but malcolm learned that some black folk can live amongst whites/integrated as in slavery or jim crow or now, but that doesn't mean they should not have the protection his parents didn't have. 1 hour ago, aka Contrarian said: And it should also be noted that during the MLK and Malcom era, TV talk shows were all the rage. These 2 black spokesmen were popular guest panalists on these airings and what came out of their mouths during these discussions was what defined them. They made their positions clear on live TV and were very articulate in doing so. Malcolm never wanted to be a cult leader, which is what elijah muhammed plus the other pastors of the nation of islam wanted by their actions. They used malcolm, the same way the southern black christian pastors, who were also cult leaders, used mlk jr as a front man for their activities. as stokely carmichael said, can you imagine a black baptist preacher not accepting a cadillac. 1 hour ago, aka Contrarian said: But their influence lives on and black Americans owe them a debt of gratitude. 100% true and I must add We black people in the usa and arguably all blacks in all humanity owe the whole movement of Black empowerment from the era of enslavement plus the era of jim crow , a debt of gratitude. And I hope we can learn from MLK jr teachings as well as Malcolms and many others. MAlcolm for me teaches a valuable lesson about early efficiency, don't let your idol ruin your plan. For me, MAlcolm had the best leadership skills among all black leaders in the usa when he lived, but he had one flaw he never recovered from, he allowed his idolization for an older black leader, in his case elijah muhammed , to cloud or manipulate his larger planning. That was a mistake. MLK jr for me teaches a valuable lesson in handling handlers, two questions AkaContrarian with a setup and amendment, and @ProfD + @Pioneer1 I ponder your thoughts to the three elements as well. Here is the setup when Sean Bell's father was asked in media what he felt, after his son was murdered by law enforcement in the new york city through forty one bullet shots, sean bell's father said he wanted the law enforcers dead. And al sharpton, the white media, the lawyers for the bell family, didn't have him around for anything afterward... It is clear the form of passive resisitance many blacks in the usa adhere to seems a complete form, that doesn't accept violence in weapons or closed fists but also in discourse. my questions, 1) has that interpretation of passive resistance broken up many black clans/homes? 2) do black people who adhere to passive resisitance criminalize plus illegalize [both not just one, meaning make a return of violence criminal while also have an unwritten black legal code that illegalizes black people who don't adhere by excommunication in various ways] actions by black people or black people themselves who don't adhere? in amendment, I think of two things. 1. amiri baraka who said the bussers were crazy getting ice cream and assaulted while doing nothing. 2. a black woman in texas, a matriarch, who told two nephews to leave texas after whites had assaulted their home and they wanted to act violently in return. I realize now, the language I need to have. And thank you three Contrarian/pioneer/profd for getting me to this place. When contrarian you said passive resistance, it made me realize to what extremes you refer to. The words/phrase resistance or nonviolence or passive or militant or violent keep getting used. But the issue here is the faith in the rule of law. Not the "rule of law" but " faith in the rule of law" as opposed to "function based on the life of black people" I see the lines from crispus attics, the black people who embraced whites like george washington before during or after 1776 in the enslavement era + Frederick Douglass, the black people who fought for the union or confederacy +MLK jr, the black people who nonviolently in all ways fought for black empowerment in the later years of jim crow era, Barrack Obama, the black people in the age of the rainbow, a set of black people have a "faith in the rule of law" such that even if the law is designed against black people, even if the law allows non blacks to terrorize black people, even if the law can't protect blacks from being terrorized by non blacks, each of said groups actions show a faith that the legal system, the law, in its processes and eventual result is satisfactory, even if the law fails during their lifetime to change for the better. They are willing to die in the courtroom, even as tulsa burns and black pregnant women are being hung. In parallel, from the black loyalists, black people who committed to vendetta against the whites of the colonies, white people of england didn't enslave blacks in the colonies, it was white colonist and colonialist before during or after 1776 in the enslavement era+ Nat Turner or Exodusters, the black people who retaliated when the law failed , wanted self defense, not isolation+ Malcolm who never felt black people should allow or invite harm from others which faith demands, when the law didn't protect black people from white terror in the jim crow era, to Assata Shakur and the many blacks later who have left the usa in the age of the rainbow, a set of black people have a "function based on the life of black people" such that the historical facts of the law working against black people, law allowing non blacks to terrorize black people, law not protecting blacks from being terrorized by blacks, prove to said folks a need/demand/function to act outside the law which can not be denied for a truly free black peoples whether they have white neighbors or not, even if they know they are disadvantaged, maybe inevitably, or if nonlegal actions fail during their lifetime for the better. They are willing to die outside the courttoom, even if non black power or black allegiances to the courtrom give advantages. I ponder if a bridge can be made between faith or function? 01/19/2026 CItation https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12293-mlk-jr-day-is-on-the-19th-in-2026/#findComment-79482 Posted just now @aka Contrarian I am not trying to change your mind , I am trying to comprehend from your point of view where militancy ends or begins with black people in the usa. I assume, but you haven't been exact, that a black person in the usa is militant anytime they have any action, verbal or non verbal that is aggressive, regardless of situation. If I comprehend you correctly, then Sean Bell's father is militant for speaking ill to those who murdered his son. Protestors who throw bottles in reaction to being hosed or shot at are militant. I comprehend fully that Malcolm is militant from your point of view based on how i assume you define militancy, but based on your definition, I assume, you categorize many black people as militant. I don't view malcolm,sean bell's father, protestors reacting to violent attack as militant. To me, self defense does not suggest militancy. Self defense isn't nonviolent, but it isn't militant, to me. But I want to comprehend your thinking better. As for the first question, and I speak to @ProfD I wish I knew with the population of descended of enslaved in the past or today how many in our homes have or have not schismed on the relationship on how to relate to whites, before the usa or after the usa, as the usa doesn't really matter in this issue. This issue is really about the white colonialist and their descendants and the black enslaved and their descendants. I wish I knew. IT would be very revealing. Cause, even if it is 40% or 30% that is a lot. Maybe it is 5% , tiny. I wonder when 1865 hit how was it? and it yields another question in my mind, why doesn't this question come up more? Every single black person knows personally, offline a spectrum of black people who relate differently to whites. Black comedians have a whole mountain of jokes on this topic. So why is it, black churches, black organizations, rarely speak on this? it isn't a secret. I have many questions and no way to get answers. The second question is in series to the first. I wish I knew the truth. I guess more so , you guys guess less, but what is the truth? No one will know sadly, unless someone has a time machine and a huge ledger. And of course, the problem is in the wording, what defines a schism in the home? what defines criminalization or unwritten illegalization? the details or definitions even with the same information can provide various results... I don't know. I wish I knew , cause it matters. I argue how black people relate to white people in the usa , in black peoples own communal sphere, is a big thing. And shouldn't be some private issue or some shrugged issue because it is really an all black affair. Hell, even Tyler perry has mentioned this issue a lot in his work. As to the third, at least on the issue of faith to rule of law versus function based on black history, a schism exist between you, aka contrarian and profd as members of aalbc And for me, the issue isn't about right or wrong but how important these stances are in the larger scheme of things. Black people who believe in faith in the rule of law, are willing to be harmed and abused by whites, rather than break the law. That is a big stance in our populace, arguably globally. Cause black people globally are abused by non blacks. so black people anywhere in humanity who are willing to be abused rather than break the law, can never relate to white people the same way as black people who function for self defense or revenge or vendetta [three different things but all are violent] based on black history . And as you both know I think of what to do tomorrow? I don't know how to bridge that issue. I never forget telling a friend of mine. If I was a pastor of a church and a white man entered the church I manage, I would told that white man to leave immediately, and go to st patricks church down the street, this is a black church. in the usa, White people historically or modernly can not be trusted intermingling with blacks. whites will 99% of the time harm blacks. the quantity of events where whites harmed blacks proves this more than anything. Not 100% no, not 100% but 99% yeah. Look at black towns today, black farms today, black regions in white cities today? No, do whites kill blacks and brand blacks today? no, but harm still? many times yes. Obama sang amazing grace for that church that white man murdered people in. And while I know that church is open to all phenotypes, that nonviolent openness as closing based on phenotype is a form of violence based on how nonviolence is implemented by many, that nonviolent position is what got black people killed. and, the law will not heal that, the law didn't protect those people. So how can a movement exist among black people in the usa, holistically in populace, with such a divide of way of life? I argue near impossible. The usa is full of white peoples, white people [white europeans/white asians/white latinos/white muslims/white women/white jews combined are the majority] compared to blacks. so, any plan has to consider how white people fit. and ... 1/19/2026 Citation https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12293-mlk-jr-day-is-on-the-19th-in-2026/#findComment-79486 @aka Contrarian 37 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said: Just go with your assumptions. Why do I have to justify my sentiments to you? All of this is hypothetical. Assumptions are worthless, comprehension has value and if I don't comprehend someone else I ask them, beginning with I don't know, which is wisdom. Comprehension has nothing to do with justification, a thing of justice, meaning a thing determining right or wrong. I am not thinking in terms of right or wrong. I am not asking questions of you to be right or wrong, but to comprehend. Now you may not want me to comprehend you or may think another comprehending you is unimportant, but I don't live like that so I ask, with no demands of an answer. But I will continue to ask anyone to comprehend more. all of this is under an idea, maybe, the discourse in this post is about how black people relay to each other, and it is proof, at the least, that black people in 2026 have a lot we don't comprehend about each other and more importantly, the lack of comprehension makes collective action inevitably faulty. 1/19/2026 Citation https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12293-mlk-jr-day-is-on-the-19th-in-2026/#findComment-79495 ed just now @aka Contrarian 2 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: You are much too subjective. It's always about you and your compulsion to be omniscient, and ultimately omnipotent. You obviously want to solve all the problems of the world. Good luck with that goal. no I don't want to solve all the problems in the world. first, because some problems can't be solved, they have to be lived through. They have to be given their time, even in full gruesomeness. I learned that a relative long time ago. second, because I know exactly what I want, and comprehend the prosequences plus consequences of any action. I was fortunate enough to have the time and space to learn that, and what I want isn't what you say I want. I don't want to know all, oomiscient, or have all power, omnipotent. first, because either is impossible. To know all you have to know not merely about all today, but all yesterdays and all tomorrows... for any finite being, that is impossible. And you can never have all the power unless you can become all, and no finite being can become all. My rearing by my parents taught me that as a child. I do enjoy communicating and learning through communication. And I was taught as a child to always expand my knowledge as much as I can. Limiting the value of nothing. Thank you for the luck:) 1/20/2026 END OF MULTILOG FOR 2026 At the end of the multilog for 2026, discussing MLK jr and non violence, I thought about nonviolence effectiveness and came to a realization. The nonviolent movements problem isn't the absence of violence. The nonviolent movements problem is inability of admitting what is needed to get results. The nonviolent movement says all acts are violence: verbal/tactile/financial/explosive or other are not permitted as actions. But the question is how can one be effective nonviolently. Many suggest turn the other cheek but if someone raped your sister, killed your father, slapped you with metal knuckles. You turning the other cheek doesn't generate punishment to the abuser. You turning the other cheek allows the abuser to get away with abusing. And I thought about various violent actions: a black girl flung to the ground by a law enforcer, the mountain of domestic violence cases that the new york police department doesn't try to solve but allows to stack, my own personal interactions with law enforcement trying to intimidate or approaching violently to me absent any provocation from me. And I realized, the NAACP probably never took to court even one percent of the cases of white violence[from terrorism to spitting] against black people in the united states of america. Alice , the black woman enslaved in the 1960s means, the number of crimes by whites to blacks in the 1800s was astronomical. Nothing can be done about the past, but arguably half of the white populace in the usa and a higher percentage in the south, never faced any legal proceedings for their violence. And that impotency in results is the weakness in nonviolent philosophical supporters. Responding by violence can come in many forms but responding nonviolently can only occur through the court of law. But, the usa will require millions of lawyers acting pro bono, for good or absent pay, to even get near 25% of the cases of white violence to blacks. But now I know what to tell nonviolent adherents. Because no idea is evil or good, the only issue is implementation. MLK jr plus others felt nonviolence could change the usa for the better through changing laws. But I realize the flaw in that thinking. Changing laws doesn't change habits. Doesn't impose the rule of law in regions. The civil rights act of 1963 hasn't protected one black person from white violence. But if fifty percent or above of incidents between nonblack violent actors to black people in the USA was sent to court, I can't be certain the usa will be better quickly, but I am certain it is the only way, nonviolence can lead to betterment. Fiscal capitalism will fail black folk cause having money doesn't deter white violence, ask tulsa. Being law abiding will fail black folk cause abiding by the law doesn't protect you from those who do not, ask trayvon martin or sean bell or abner luima or many others. Turning the other cheek will fail black people because the person who needs to turn the other cheek is the white abuser/enslaver/terrorist. The court room is the only place that will aid black people because the cost from verdicts in favor of blacks , whether criminal or civil, allows white terrorist/enslavers/abusers to pay nonviolently. But it has to be at an unprecedented level in the usa. I read somewhere that the NYPD's criminal behavior costs New York City hundreds of millions of dollars. If I combine the reality of most cases of white abuse to blacks not making the courtroom and the cost of verdicts in black favor being quite expensive to the government, I see that taking white violent behavior to court is the only way Black nonviolent people can plan to get results from their philosophy, in the usa.
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Cotton Comes to Harlem (1970) https://youtu.be/GxlrRyUDXxY?si=ZAwP2qBUWZLWmBMA my thoughts 6:37 right, hope and hustle are together especially as black people were never supported. before 1865 we were over 90% enslaved to other human beings. Then after 1865 we were never given focused assistance from the government. Black people post 1865 have never been given any assistance beyond what can be obtained as a citizen of the USA. so this created the hope/hustle balance. 9:16 Interesting that heat of the night was three years earlier. 10:03 The problem with merit in the united states of America is that merit has never been the basis of worth. The NYPD wasn't started by citizens trying to get rid of criminal activity in their community. The NYPD was started by Boss Tweed for the purpose of gaining votes + an allegiant arm of New York City government. He achieved it by giving the Irish gangs badges. We Blacks talk about merit a lot, as if we don't live in the USA or know the USA. And I comprehend the country you are fighting to make happen argument. The USA has a system that allows for systemic change over time and from 1776 to 2025 the USA has changed in various ways. But, Ossie Davis is making the old argument that Black people should approach the USA as the country they want it to be, and I argue, that has cost black people. 10:57 Yes, the 1970s was the end of what I call the enslavement era. The 1980s was the beginning of what I call the integration era, and cotton is the symbol of that. 12:37 The proof in my historical measure is the role of women who needed the 1980s to have the ability to truly financially standalone. 14:36 I think both. She had to do both, fight to gain something for herself, autonomy, while also be attache to this guy, through the system she lives in. O'Malley can't hate the player, has to embrae the game. This is the reality of women at that time. Remember Ruby Dee is Ossie Davis's wife and I think Ruby Dee would make Ossie Davis have an idea of how a woman living with a man thinks of some things. 15:03 love Purlie Victorious and you mentioned it. I saw the play with Leslie Odom. Ossie Davis did write the play. Didn't know about the film, gone are the days. Ossie Davis eulogy concerning Malcolm. 16:23 Didn't know it was in the 30s in the original text. That is interesting plus valid, wise by Davis. 17:17 Cotton comes to Harlem isn't relevant to Harlem but is relevant to the Black experience still. Because the core issue is getting to a functional multiphenotypical community. It is one thing to have a city of people who look every which way, it is another for all of those peoples to not only have individual allowance but also have growth within their communities. NYC's problem in the 1930s/1970s/today is the ability of individuals to grow has strengthened, the black populace in NYC has more wealthy individuals in it than ever before, more black owned businesses than ever before. BUT, the black community is arguably weaker than ever before. Weaker in that the mechanics of collective power are farther away. And so black individuals still have to go through hurdles with the non black every which way and the black community has to deal with constant attacks from the agenda of the non black. 17:21 Blaxploitation was simultaneously with the mob movie that had complaints from many Italians and yet, the godfather and et cetera are some of the best films. Italians never said their community had problems even though the movies involving characterizations of the Italian mob [godfather/scarface/] showed a cruel violent crime culture. 20:18 I can't think of a film with a black cop taking charge outside an Oscar Micheaux film , but I can't think of the scene directly. But I know in one of his, a black cop is helping a black woman do something. 22:00 Blaxploitation's influence is huge in soundtracks. Hollywood had the musicals but from 1970s onward the placement and use of Black music in films/television/commercials has been on a constant rise. And every decade you see jester films of Black people whether produced or written by black people or not. My Comment Was O’Malley exposing the system — or just gaming it? hope and hustle, I think are inevitably intertwined when one seeks growth noncriminally against a group that historically or modernly uses criminal activity whether legal or not for their own agenda. Merit, at the end of the day, many black people physically live in the current usa but philosophically live in the usa they want to be tomorrow. women's empowerment, I think most female characters in fiction are both, trying to empower self while also living in a man's world. Women today in the USA are unlike any women in recent history anywhere when it comes to individual rights/protections/abilities Ossie Davis did write the play, Purlie Victorious Cotton comes to Harlem is relevant in that minority populaces will always have in any fiscal capitalistic setting those among them looking to make money regardless of the detriment to said minority populace. Minority populaces will always have in any bureaucratic environment made by a majority those among them trying to be bridges into the bureaucracy. Blaxploitation - eddie murphy once said no one wants to see that today, but i argue whenever films have one of the two following elements: the joyous black jester-formerly jim crow(norbit/dont drink juice in south central/baps) , or the black communal plight films(juice/do the right thing/boyz in the hood) these are no different than most of the films of the 1970s involving black thespians that were mortly,written/directed/produced by whites commonly called blaxploitation Black Cops in film, i can only think of a black cop in an oscar micheaux film. i think he was a ranger or mountie or a role in that field, but your right it was uncommon. I wonder how many black people wanted to be cops through these films. To O'Malley, he cheated the village but overall, it is both, let's be blunt, the usa wasn't born by legal fiscal operation and great ledgerwork. The usa was born from thieves/killers/cheaters not really hustlers but people far far worse. To my knowledge omalley killed no one, in the very city harlem sits in, rockefeller who is known to have killed white oilmen has a whole center to his name. Carnegie who is known to have stolen land and murdered competition has various buildings with this name and an endowment with it. The roosevelts is the name of an old dutch family when new york was enw amsterdam who was part of a land owning caste upstate new york , that had a sharecropping system for white farmrs for the purpose of keeping them as lifelong tenants. If white people who murdered entire indigenous peoples and enslaved as many as possible have their names lauded why is OMalley a great sinner, for his wee hustle. comment referral https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxlrRyUDXxY&lc=UgzkjnVo7IPWs1g6xyh4AaABAg
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Movies That Move We- Sounder 1972
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Movies That Move We- Sounder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9WlL2KAjlg My Thoughts To the Minutes Movies That Move We, the third generation:) Lis + Kim+ Manda with Nike looking at Sounder. Manda/Kim/Nike/Lis 2:10 interesting that Kim had to read The Secret Garden. 3:22 Nike question, a question of a black family written by a white man? Lis: don't feel it is well received Kim: if he grew up in a family different than him, or have a different . But Manda: a product of the time. He had editors. the gaze in the story is for a certain audience. 6:14 Nike couldn't find any interviews. She cites a note: "fifty years ago i learned to read at a round table at a country school house, the teachers name was Charles jones. After school he worked for my father and in the summer he drove a hay rake and a mowing machine. He had a deep rich voice and he loved to tell stories, I have never forgotten them. Out of the stories he told me and the boy who sat next to me in the round table came the story in this book" 7:42 Nike didn't like the unnamed characters 10:20 Swampy the dog had no other roles in a movie:) 11:21 Nike asked what do you think about the dog? Kim, she liked the dog in the book becoming part of the family. 17:14 Nike, is this a radical story? Lis, the screen writer was black for the film did that make a difference. Kim, felt the film was tame. Manda, she turned it on and told her kids to go away. 22:45 The performance of Cicely Tyson 24:54 In the book, the author didn't have the ability to write the energy , so in the movie, a black woman was able to bring life in it. 27:11 in 1972 women couldn't have a credit card on their own in the united states of America, good point by Nike. 28:29 Lis, good point, god is the higher male and the pastor used god in that part. 29:55 Nike, when the boy went to the teachers house , he felt she was rich good question about whether he got that from a first hand source 31:32 Nike, what are your thoughts on the education scene? Kim, excited but sad. The teacher was considered rich for having her own home. A simple thing. Manda, in the book, we saw his progression. he lamented he couldn't read. In the movie he already can. And in the book the teacher was an older white guy, while the teacher was a younger black female. 33:48 Overview call from Nike 34:19 Manda, ask, does the movie exist as a reclamation of the story. 37:56 The ending, in the book the father was paralyzed very badly while in the movie, it was made more gentle. 39:15 Good point that the father and dog died in the book at the end. 39:42 Nike asked how did it feel Kim mentioned how she never lived in such a financially poor housing as the black characters in the book and she was spoiled as a child and when she was subjected to stories like this, she said thank god i am not in this situation. 41:36 Unike Sounder roots was very visible with the violence. 41:56 before Roots what story was the media standard? 43:28 Nike can't recall to many films with a black child at the center. IN AMENDMENT Sounder 2 supposedly was barely released which i argue is how the film industry producers historically kill films they don't want any to see but were forced from whatever reason to produce. Think John carter of mars for disney. IT was made , but Disney killed that film in advertising in the media mechanics of what a film needs. And Disney did it cause they bought MArvel and didn't want to waste any future money on a john carter series link https://books.google.com/books?id=X7ZYsnTPIhwC&lpg=PA78&vq=annazette%20chase&pg=PA78#v=onepage&q&f=falseembed referral https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Part_2,_Sounder The Dandridge Sisters n 1940 Irene https://youtu.be/CTeabecj_4o?si=BQ2qgnGQ6_1bTeYs Bright Road Directed by Gerald Mayer Screenplay by Emmet Lavery Based on "See How They Run" 1951 short story Ladies' Home Journal by Mary Elizabeth Vroman Starring Dorothy Dandridge Philip Hepburn Harry Belafonte Barbara Ann Sanders https://youtu.be/278qbMmPpPI?si=eqML-s-coYm5Wmwo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright_Road Four Shall Die is a 1940 American supernatural crime film directed by William Beaudine. It features Dorothy Dandridge in her first credited film role. It says in the black cinemaconnection that the film is presumed lost. Damn! https://blackcinemaconnection.com/2018/10/29/four-shall-die/ My Comment Nike, you don't like stories with characters absent a name? Lis, the problem is, the producer of the film was white and controlled what could be done or emitted, to this day producers dictate the parameters of artistic expression of directors/thespians or others? Manda, what later films are inspired by Sounder's stylistic conversions from book to screenplay, if any? Manda ask is the film a reclamation. I argue, yes absent deviating from being an intended feel good story. A sounder 2? My first question to you four is, with so many people, black in particular, desiring not to see films involving enslavement of blacks to whites, in the usa in particular, or seeing black struggle in an environment controlled by the non black, does Sounder fit the desire of some film goers , black or non black, to see a film absent black suffering or black struggle? My second question to you four is, the film industry ever since the code came in has always pushed films based on literature to be less violent, less fornicative, less depictive of negativities than the books themselves, the two oppositions to that are the Frankenstein films and Glory from spielberg, where Frankenstein is written as a creature fully functional or pleasant in appearance as a human male, the movies make the creature, crude, disgusting looking, incapable to be with a woman, OR the fifty third regiment mostly made up of free black men who can read but are depicted more negatively in terms of their status or condition. But, from fifty shades to Sounder to lord of the flies, to journey to the west to the statian film adapations of "men who hate women" ninety nine percent of films are never allowed to go as far as books. So my question is, what do you say to that? Has the film going audience in the usa been trained to expect a lighter touch on violent scenes, so much that to do as the books most violent parts will be unacceptable? Kim, roots was made in 1977, five years after , and Manda's question is interesting. If Sounder had not been made, would Roots be made? I think Roots is interesting cause even though Roots is well known , it isn't something shown alot today. And I argue it is because it isn't uplifting. Overall it doesn't allow non blacks to think of the usa as this country of egalitarianism, not does it allow blacks to think of the usa as some wanted home by their forebears, who were forced to immigrate. Nanda, asked before Roots what was the film dealing with the past of blacks in the USA considered the "standard" and I argue Sounder was it. Nike, check out the film Bright Road with Dorothy Dandridge, the question I pose to all four of you is, if no "Bright Road" 1953 happened would there be a Sounder film? referral https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9WlL2KAjlg&lc=UgwTgyYJo5BPjxYaWzB4AaABAg -
video embed video link https://youtu.be/u3iwa9BupmQ?si=KhdwO07s-mWMNA-G MY THOUGHTS AS I LISTENED Love the shirt from Zenobia. 00:02:00 From Duck till dawn ahhhh, similar but the storytelling is vastly different. Coogler made characters in Sinners that are better balanced. American Gothic, ok, specificall Black American Gothic ah EVe's Bayou is considered a Black American Gothic 00:04:13 It has stocked Nike's secrets and symbology infatuation with films 00:05:50 good point Nike, Coogler made the correct religious association in the black populace at the time 00:07:10 yeah the guy who played preacher boys father did well as the fanatic black pastor I think many thought on what determines a sinner , who is a sinner, and when are a sinner redeemed. [ https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/369-granting-to-evil-circa-the-film-sinners-from-coogler/ ] 00:09:44 interesting from Zenobia, each character in sinners is a sinner. I think this film shows how much larger the religious zeal/energy is in the black or pan human populace. I concur, many of the characters embrace their lives. They don't dwell, and Delta slim was the oldest so his age makes reflection easier. 00:14:52 hmmm interesting point from Nike, the way in which Coogler framed the reality , didn't hit any audience member with it upside the head but it was not ignored. It is a subtely, a craft, to represent important history from your community without turning your fiction into a historical documentary. 00:16:58 Younger black audiences, seem to really not like to see the pain. Not trying to be ignorant but not consumed. 00:18:41 Nike, psalms 1:07 let the redeemed of the lord say so. The first black person I heard or read quote scripture of the Christian bible. 00:19:26 I concur to Zenobia, this is a collection of individuals brought together through a collective project, a juke joint. 00:21:30 Nike, true, the external communal freedom is desired but the individual freedom was reached by Sammie. yes, Fun is powerful 00:22:46 Everybody loves Annie. yes, how come the ancient black religions didn't come through to save her baby? how come the religion of his uncle didn't save her baby? Yes, people who lose children have a sadness that can be very deep. 00:25:26 Yes, I am happy Delroy Lindo said that. People forget the old black south lifestyle was in the 1900s alive and common and vibrant. I think black people in the 1900s did a disservice raising black kids by making our old black south too distant or disconnected. But as Dash said in Daughters of the Dust , black families who went north intentionally wanted to forget the black southern heritage wholesale, not just the negative but the positive. 00:27:25 of course, Nike forgets pearline's name for a minute:) black men's character. 00:28:57 Zenobia remembers the scene of smoke + any and the incense is burning 00:31:50 I concur, color symbology is heavy in Sinners. 00:33:59 I didn't know Smoke and his brothe'rs last name was Moore. Cool. 00:34:51 Yes, The irish were catholic and also catholic. The English was the overseers to the irish. Right, the dumping ground use of the English colonies by England. 00:37:02 I think one point with sinners is not shying away from the heritage of interacial activity in the usa, not merely the negative but the neutral. I say not positive, but neutral. Many films of the past go into a simplicity, of all peoples in the usa walled against each other but that was never the truth, even in the plantation, especially in the plantation. 00:37:14 Ruth D carter is having a great era as a costumer. 00:38:07 your funny, people couldn't say, they are wearing red white and blue. 00:39:37 well done Nike, colors to ward off spirits. I didn't know. 00:40:35 I concur to Nike, the best black fantasy films from Posse to Sinners accept the presence of whites or white power but the story isn't about whites or white power, but blacks and black empowerment. 00:40:40 Zenobia is the first I heard to call it a tear jerker. hmmm . That is a testament to Coogler's storytelling. 00:41:36 hmm Zenobia maybe answers Nike's question, and sacrifice is maybe the way sinners can be redeemed. 00:42:25 Zenobia is in a bible study group. 00:43:56 Very leech like, Remmick as a vampire is very leech like. 00:44:51 Questions from Nike, Is Sinners one of Ryan Coogler's most personal films? How is his storytelling from Fruitville Station to Sinners changed? What lingers? 00:47:51 aww Zenobia, you softie, the end had you crying:) Sinners has a level of completeness. Heavy detailed with no need of exposition. 00:48:46 The Coogler/Jordan duo is strong, like Depp/Burton or Eastwood/Leone . and great point Nike. Who is the body double? 00:52:01 Blue Ray for Sinners is coming out in December. I bet the BlueRay/DVD people didn't expect it to be this loved. 00:53:07 And like Peele, forget the series. The movie series is corporate, the best filmmakers outside the superhero is one and done's. No Zenobia, I am fearful for universe building on sinners. Of course, Warner Bros, want to make money. That is what made Keannu Reeves control of John Wick well. Starz can't do what they want. MY COMMENT Zenobia, what character is depicted on your shirt? Nike, what are your thoughts to Coogler , like Peele, not revealing much, letting the online discourse go into the revelations? Zenobia, how many sins exist? Are their more than seven? To you both, where does Delroy Lindo's performance in Sinners place among his many? Nike, you are the first to quote scripture in discussion about this. Nike or Zenobia, what role do black parents have in the 1900s to making enslavement or more precisely the heritage even after the war between the states, have in making black children think that southern black heritage is ancient instead of the near past. Zenobia, I think your correct about the colors meaning. How often do you think the film sinners was talked about in Christian Bible Study groups? Aww Zenobia, mommy softee:) at the end. Questions asked to viewers of the review. Is Sinners one of Ryan Coogler's most personal films? Tough one. I think it definitely is in the sense that it is something he has produced that doesn't have the media protection of bigger brand content, so he is relying on himself and his vision. How is his storytelling from Fruitville Station to Sinners changed? I don't know. Peele + Coogler seem to be very astute on the stories they present, when and how they present. It is very managed. Unlike someone like myself who doesn't manicure his art for commerce, i think Coogler always does. Not in an evil way but financially comprehending films have to make money to keep making films. What lingers? When Sammie said he wanted to taste Pearline:) I want to taste her too:) hahaa Who is the body double? Percy Bell [ https://www.wfla.com/community/rooted-in-progress/michael-b-jordans-body-double-in-sinners-the-percy-bell-story-rooted-in-progress/ ] Thanks, stay cool this summer and see ya soon. my comment comment URL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3iwa9BupmQ&lc=UgzFQGHmY1ei5-wNw6R4AaABAg&pp=0gcJCSMANpG00pGi Another Sinners discussion https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/369-granting-to-evil-circa-the-film-sinners-from-coogler/
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I was asked by Movies That Move We https://www.youtube.com/@moviesthatmoveswe/videos MY ANSWER hmm coogler's message... I see a number of them... first, he was willing to spend his money on a story involving Black DOS heritage that isn't a biopic while is an adventure tale, so his first message is for black people who have the money to invest in making stories they care about even if a financially viable precedence. I can't recall a black southern vampire adventure movie. he created what he wanted. ; second that a film based on a black southern vampire adventure has an audience willing to make it a hit if made under a certain budget, he succeeded. third: a movie can have an entire cast of black characters who are middle of the road. No pantomime black antagonist or protagonist here. I think of that will smith movie where he fights his younger self. or that van damme film where he was a twin. At the end of this film, one twin is off with his deceased wife and child into a happy netherrealm while the other twin is with his yella woman as one who will live as long as they don't see sunlight, a sort of prison/enslavement. Both men did some negative things but both have found peace. For black male characters in films this is at the most least rare, or at the most unheard of. fourth: two female black leads exist. The good female black lead is a black woman with the brownest complexion/darkest , big beautiful lips, shapely large breast, wide thickbone body. The bad is hella yella and ends up a vampire but isn't wildy roaming or something. I think he wanted to say both can exist in a movie positively. He succeeded. fifth: native americans , in a traditional sense, can exist in black dos fiction adventures. Not unheard of, ala Buck and the preacher or Posse but still rare. Sixth: black love winning. yes vampires but they live. yes dead but they are viewed happy in the netherrealm. How often are black lovers viewed at the end of a film happy? think of school daze/ghost dog way of the samurai. Many films with black people in production, either don't have black love or black love isn't the final note. Now to the questions in graphics: 1) does sinners portray faith as liberation- or illusion? 2)how does the film complicate the role of religion in black communities? Good questions. To the first the question is, which faith? What is faith? The problem with faith as a word is people usually think of faith and think of religion. But faith is not about religion. It is about a belief in anything without proof. I argue the twin whose child died had a lose of faith in religions [christianity or hoodoo] but not in humanity or himself, in life, ala their end. He had faith in his love. And believed in that love being forever. So did his wife and of course the child. What is the role of religion in the black populace of the usa? The number of black individuals whose religion is essential to their being has changed from 1865 to 2025. But the role of religion has always been complicated in the black populace of the usa. Did the movie suggest it is more complicated? I argue not enough black people have explained how many various black religious groups existed and exist in the black populace of the usa. Yes many black people are like the blues players father but many black people were like Annie, believed in more than Christianity. Arguably more did. My point is, Black people didn't convey the breadth or width or heritages in the black populace in the usa. again, the black native americans/Seminoles, the black catholics from Haiti with syncretic voodoo, the Gullah or Geechee with a mix of various beliefs including islam, the pre war between the states Christianity which was absent churches as we were enslaved plus mostly through spirituals as most black people couldn't read. We black people in not talking about our heritage in the usa from the 1800s to today , made religion in our community seem simple, when it never was. https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16yxBWNW8J/ FORUM POST https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11683-ryan-cooglers-sinners-questions/
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Miss Evers Boys from Movies That Move We with Nike Ma + Zenobia Marshall
my thoughts
1932 to 1972 the Tuskegee experiment went on.
I learned of Tuskegee in the home and community centers at elementary age and in high school in the educational system.
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I remember a scene in the film Giant 1956 when the character played by rock Hudson says to the character played by Elizabeth taylor that the white doctor of the family is not for public use or use for other people, other people in this case were Mexican immigrants in Texas. That scene encapsulates the overall problem. The healthcare industry in the usa has always been a business that is used by whites to display biases toward the non white. The movie Alice 2022 shows this in multiple ways. And the problem with healthcare as an industry is it is historically expensive. Healthcare is not cheap. Consider that car company workers/steel company workers/government workers, the cost of their healthcare overtime is the biggest bill.
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Healthcare has always been historically for the have's not all, and you see that throughout humanity even today, even in countries in western europe deemed universal in care. I can't wait for your first show in black history month:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJrcIlzfQhcTRANSCRIPT
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[Music]
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[Music]
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hey everyone welcome back to another
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edition of movies that move we today we
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will be talking about Miss ever's boys
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um now I hope you not not like me if you
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hadn't heard about this film before and
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thought it was about medar Evers and his
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mom and them it's not it's not this is
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um it's a fictionalized telling of the
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Tuskegee uh project
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and if you don't know what that is let
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me tell you a little bit about it um
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Tuskegee Alabama there was
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a pretty decent population of black men
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who had
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syphilis and um you know the government
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saw it and said hey perfect opportunity
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for us to explore how this the progress
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of this
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disease and so they
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setup shop in
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Tuskegee told these men hey we're going
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to treat you for the condition they
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didn't tell them that they were research
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subjects they didn't tell them they
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weren't getting
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treatment and these men did not give
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consent to basically be used as guinea
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pigs this project ran from was it
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1932 to
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19 no 1932 to
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1972 okay so they were allowing men with
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syphilis black men with syphilis to just
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ride the disease out um and it's not a
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comfortable disease you you can get it
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it can go
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dormant it can come back up there's like
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five stages to the condition you'll end
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up with skin lesions there are some
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people who who survived it the biggest
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problem here beyond the fact that they
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were experimenting on black bodies was
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that when it was found out that
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penicillin was The Cure none of these
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men were given the option never told
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that some of them would die if they like
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took it well no in reality no yeah but
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I'm just saying in the movie like that's
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what they were they were telling them
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that if if you take it you you could die
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which wasn't true but talking about the
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movie this is it's not based on a
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specific story but it is inspired by a
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nurse who did work with some some
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patients during that time so we have in
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the role of nurse Evers um Alfrey
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Woodard Caleb humph is her love interest
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who is is played by Lawrence Fishburn
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and I believe he's one of the producers
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of the film um Dr Douglas is played by
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Craig Sheffer and he is the white Doctor
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Who is leading the um experiment um we
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have Dr Sam brus who's played by uh Joe
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Morton AKA Papa Pope those of you who
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know no um he is the black doctor that
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is leading it because of you have
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something like this going on you got to
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get black people to talk to black people
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um Willie Johnson is played by Oba Baba
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tund hodman Bryan is played by Van
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couter Ben Washington is played by Tom
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gosam Jr so
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Caleb uh Willie hodman and Ben they're
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referred to as Miss ever's boys and all
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of them them were
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participants in the study in this film
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um and then the late great aie Davis
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played um Alfrey woodard's father Mr
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Evans so this is going back like I said
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1930s
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Tuskegee black people were still working
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in the fields there were still
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sharecroppers um and it was a big deal
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that
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she uh Unice Evers was a nurse you know
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she's working in the hospital she's
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working with doctors she wasn't a
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servant or anything like that she
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recognized it her father recognized it
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it was the type of career that could
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have taken her
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anywhere um when this came up she was
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the head nurse
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under Dr broadis so Joe Morton she was
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working with him and he said hey
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I'm taking you with me we're going to to
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Tuskegee there's something happening
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down there that they want us to be a
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part of that happened to be the area
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where she grew up so Caleb she was
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already familiar with because he used to
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pull her Pigtails in
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class so there was some relationship
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there and her relation built with the
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other three men to the point that you
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know they were performers in the
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community Comm they name their band
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after her um the whole thing gets
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sticky because at a certain point she
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realizes that wait a
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minute we're we're not treating them
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we're just doing research and she was
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excited at first because the
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government's paying for it they're
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giving these guys they're they're going
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to help the black people and there were
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a handful of people who were wey but
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when they heard what I get a free meal I
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can get free rides and all this other
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you know the government is catering to
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me they were like all right sign me up
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so I'll let you take it from here what
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what were your thoughts about well first
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of all I'm going to ask the question I
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usually ask is this something you
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learned about in school no not at all
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and what was crazy was when I when
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I because I was actually the one that
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chose the
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movie when I saw it
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I never even really heard about it but
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when I saw it I was like oh you know
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what based off the description I was
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like this might be a good watch it seems
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like
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something that um might be educational
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because this is something again we
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weren't taught about in school so to
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watch it and then like even down to the
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way things were kind of broken down to
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these men when they're coming into their
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community and telling them what they're
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going to do and how the government is
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funding this and everything like that it
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was
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so it was kind of surreal for me to
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watch cuz it's just like they really
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kind of felt like they had to not only
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bring Miss Evers and the doctor in the
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black doctor in
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to kind of facilitate or help facilitate
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these conversations with these men but
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it was almost
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like oh we have to kind of dumb it down
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for them too because whereas the white
8:02
doctor that came in was kind of like hey
8:05
you know I want to get technical with
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these guys and let them know the exact
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diagnosis Miss Evers and the other
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doctor involved were like no we should
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probably kind of tell them something
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different I don't think they were
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dumbing it down I
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think okay let me not say that yes they
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were but by saying blood like oh well
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it's something in your blood like I'm
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and she explained that what she said to
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to the doctor
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was you have to talk to them in their in
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their language if you tell them that
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they have a virus they're going to panic
8:48
and we won't have anyone to complete the
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study with so they understand illness is
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something in the blood so that's what
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we're going to tell them that there's
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something in the blood we're gonna give
9:02
them some treatments to to help heal
9:06
them and they'll be more willing to go
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along with it if we phrase it in terms
9:11
that they comprehend okay okay that's
9:15
like a lawyer trying to speak to you in
9:18
legal vernacular and you're going my
9:19
rights or what and there was a scene in
9:21
the part or there was a scene in the
9:22
movie
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where the the white doctor is like
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telling them what he's about to do and
9:28
what testing they're about to kind of go
9:31
through and everything and why they're
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being tested for this and they're just
9:34
all sitting there looking at him like
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you going to do what and Miss Evers kind
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of had to step in but I just felt like
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throughout the whole
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film there were so many things that and
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what was crazy was there was kind of
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like that little bit of a contrast
9:49
because here it is you know they're kind
9:51
of talking like that to the rest of them
9:53
they're not giving them full information
9:56
as to what's going on and Lawrence fish
9:59
Burn's character um Caleb Caleb
10:04
he he actually was kind of already
10:07
educating himself you know he let Miss
10:09
Evers know look like you don't think I
10:12
can read I'm going to the library and
10:14
I'm looking this stuff up myself yeah
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and he asked for a book cuz he was like
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I want to know more about this exactly
10:22
so he kind of even though he was also
10:24
not giv a lot of
10:26
information Miss Evers did kind of offer
10:28
up a little little bit of information to
10:30
him in the beginning
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but he kind of already knew in the back
10:34
of his mind certain things and something
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wasn't right yeah so he was kind of
10:38
already hip to what was going on but
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unfortunately these other guys that were
10:44
involved in this process they just
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didn't know and they kind of like leaned
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on Miss Evers a little bit to kind of
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take them through this process yeah um
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and it's unfortunate because if they
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were a little bit more
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honest and even a little bit more
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instead of using them as guinea pigs
11:05
actually got them the help that they
11:08
needed they would have been fine you
11:11
know they would have lived normal lives
11:12
you know um oh my gosh I keep drawing a
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blank with his name Caleb when he went
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to the military he said look I got that
11:21
penicillin shot because one this was my
11:24
only way to get into the military
11:27
properly but two like I'm not messing
11:29
around my health like I'm doing whatever
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I have to do and he was kind of trying
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to encourage the other men to do the
11:36
same
11:37
but the the the role of the medical team
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in this
11:44
situation was to just monitor the
11:47
progress of the disease and keep them
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from getting treatment elsewhere yeah
11:54
and there's a scene in the film where
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one of the guys um he's like I can't
11:59
take it anymore Caleb takes him to a
12:03
hospital to get the penicillin and the
12:05
nurse turns around looks at the
12:07
clipboard and says no you can't have it
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and they were like why can't he get it
12:14
and she said because you're on the list
12:16
I can't give it to you cuz he was a part
12:18
of this experiment so all of the
12:20
hospitals in the area had the names of
12:23
all of the the the men who were being
12:27
researched and they refused them care
12:31
when they came to it and in this
12:33
situation it
12:35
was uh Willie Willie was the dancer in
12:39
the group you know he was hopping up and
12:41
down you know dancing like they do at
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the Cotton Club and he had dreams of
12:44
getting there and it started to affect
12:47
his Mobility so he was like I can't I
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can't live like this I need to to have
12:53
it fixed Caleb didn't tell him exactly
12:57
what was going on even though though he
13:00
had an
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ankling and he did try to talk to Unice
13:05
about it and say okay what aren't you
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telling me and she was like I can't I
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can't and I think part of the reason why
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she said she can't a um she was told
13:17
that she can't she shouldn't and then
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the other part was she was ashamed
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because once she
13:24
realized what this really was MH she was
13:30
like I I can't tell anybody that I'm
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knowingly a part of this and she was
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offered an opportunity she was about to
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take the opportunity to go back up north
13:45
for for
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work and she changed her mind because
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she was like these guys need me I can't
13:54
leave them in other words I help put
13:56
them in this predicament I can't aband
13:59
she went through a tremendous like
14:01
internal struggle to the point where it
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even affected the relationship she had
14:05
with Caleb because it was like here it
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is they were in love they kind of wanted
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to go away together and all that but she
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had the guilt of kind of how this whole
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process started and then the guilt of
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like kind of what happened after that
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how these men were affected and then
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here it is you know Caleb comes back
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from the war and everything and he's
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like look like you know it the deed has
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been done this is already happening like
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we need to just go start our lives and
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she's like I can't leave these guys
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behind like I just can't do it and it it
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it unfortunately affected their personal
14:44
lives because it's kind of
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like had this experiment not even
14:49
happened none of them would be in this
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predicament at all so right and so um
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back to reality
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um a lot of things came out of this time
15:05
period rules were put in place um once
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this was re was revealed and you know
15:13
the public expressed outrage over it new
15:16
policies were put into place to make
15:19
sure that you know people were aware of
15:24
when they were a part of medical
15:26
research so now you are in invited to
15:30
clinical studies you don't just become a
15:33
guinea pig because someone says you know
15:35
what I want to see how long this person
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survives if they have XYZ disease you
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have to be offered you have to be
15:44
compensated you have to be treated like
15:47
a human being and not a lab rat that's
15:50
required by law um there are
15:55
institutional review boards so one set
15:58
of do s can't come up with this
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experiment run it privately and then do
16:04
what they want with the information if
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you're going to have a clinical trial
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then there's a review board to make sure
16:10
that you are following all processes and
16:13
protocols that are laid out to make sure
16:15
that the patient is cared for um and you
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know this this movie kind of speaks to
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and you being a Med medical professional
16:25
you're aware of some of this um it kind
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of speaks to what impacts uh mortality
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rate amongst
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African-Americans and while it has
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improved there's still room for
16:43
improvement plenty of room for
16:45
improvement because the mortality rate
16:48
birth rate between black women and white
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women there's still a gap there same
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thing for breast
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cancer there's still a gap there and
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even and I can speak from my own
17:02
experience when trying to get um
17:06
assistance with health
17:08
issues you probably going to have to go
17:10
through as a a black woman you're
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probably going to have to go through a
17:14
few doctors before you can get yeah what
17:18
you need I had a talk with my doctor the
17:20
other day and she was like oh I
17:22
recommend this doctor and I was like
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uhuh went to them and I didn't even get
17:28
into it with her about why how racist
17:32
this doctor was towards me I just said
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no and I think that's where I related to
17:40
Caleb because he was like I'm advocating
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for myself for myself I'm here but I
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have a lot of questions that I need and
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I love you know I love that about his
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character because I feel like and I try
17:52
to kind of impress this upon the
17:54
patients I work with in general because
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as a human being like you have to be you
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have to be researching you have to be
18:04
thoughtful and thorough with your own
18:06
health care like you have to be
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questioning these doctors you know and
18:10
asking them about this stuff because
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they don't know it all they don't know
18:15
at all there are some doctors that go by
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the book or they are just trying to sell
18:20
the these you know medications to to get
18:25
perks and things like that it's kind of
18:27
like you have to be your own Advocate
18:30
you have to research yourself because
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here it is in this scenario it's like if
18:35
he didn't do that research on his own
18:37
and like kind of take that extra step
18:40
and try to figure things out on his own
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he would have been just like some of
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those men that that ended up dead
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because it's like you know you got to
18:48
kind of ask more questions and care more
18:50
about your health and not just listen to
18:53
what a health care provider or whatever
18:55
is telling you all the time yeah there
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was one guy and I I didn't write his
19:00
name down in the notes did all the
19:02
research looked him up his name was
19:06
Charlie I can't remember his last name
19:09
now I'll try and put up a picture of him
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but he was one of the um last survivors
19:16
of the Tuskegee
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experiment and the reason why I
19:22
remembered him is because they they did
19:24
a a report about him and he
19:29
wore a hat at all times because again
19:32
when you get syphus you if it's not
19:34
treated or treated quickly you start to
19:37
get lesions and they they kind of
19:38
represented that in the um in the movie
19:42
where these guys had like marks on their
19:45
face he had marks on his
19:50
scalp and so he used to wear a hat to
19:53
hide
19:54
it but he was and which president was it
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I don't remember if it was no no no no
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no no cuz this was in like the '90s
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shortly before he passed but he was
20:07
given some kind of medal okay by the
20:10
president
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for um his his involvement and survival
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because black people are rewarded for
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surviving um he was given a reward for
20:22
that but that man suffered through all
20:26
of that and you know I think he died in
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I want to say he passed away in
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2009 darn I wish I had notes on it but
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I'll try and put that up at the
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end all in all as far as historical
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content I feel like this was pretty
20:45
accurate even though it's a
20:46
fictionalized movie I think it was
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pretty accurate if you're not aware of
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the Tuskegee experiment I definitely say
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watch it go down the rabbit hole get
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online do the research um and once again
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sit your kids down to watch it you know
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I think the news just broke today that
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apparently at the federal level Black
21:12
History Month is being cancelled
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so look don't let it be canceled in your
21:18
house celebrate educate make sure you
21:22
know about stuff like this because as we
21:24
can see history is starting to repeat
21:26
itself in a very backwards way so that
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Miss Evers Boys from Movies That Move We -01/2/2025 my thoughts and trasncript + video https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2835&type=status
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1:02 Thank you for saying the truth. I wonder what your thoughts are to non documentarian biopics influencing how people view identities in history? 1:53 The movie was written by Stefani Robinson < https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/atlanta-writer-stefani-robinson-talks-female-creator-label-1130971/ > I Quote her "Being a woman is not in the forefront of my mind every second of every day. I am a woman, I live as a woman, and my perspective is most definitely female, but there’s this implication that for me (or women) to create a piece of work ?or put myself into the shoes of others, I have to somehow filter it ?through this resolute female mental block. It’s a contradiction, because I’m proud to be a woman and want females to be celebrated. But on the other hand, the focus on that sometimes feels a little condescending and demeaning." The problem with all artists who suggest araciality is they forget no artist has the ability to create absent bias. Bias isn't always negative. In Chevalier, her desire to show this competitive mulatto artist in France is from her own view, but the film could had went another way that may have achieved greater reception. I quote her again "Representation absolutely matters. The fact that I didn’t have many female TV writers to look up to when I was young is a big reason why I felt compelled to pursue ?my career. But I reject the idea that you can only tell a story if you’ve lived it. How clinical and boring. Artists should have the freedom to explore anything that moves. But this also demands that everyone is allowed a seat at the table.?" The problem with many of my fellow artists is they confuse labels with restrictions. And they confuse the ability to tell a story with the ability to tell a story with a perspective that will reach out to all. I am black, male, hetero, anglo <the language i primarily speak is english>. Does this mean I can't write a story inspired by don quixote? of course not. Am I from spain? no. Do I speak spanish? no. But I can still write a story about don quixote. BUT, if I am free to wrtie what I want will my culture emit through my telling of don quixote? yes. And of course, what will the commercial quality of my work be? well, that is a complicated question but at the end of the day, do those who are interested in my work or variants of don quixote have a large enough quantity and, will my work be able to attract those who are not interested in my work or don quixote? I have been writing my entire life, I have no bounds, but just because I can create whatever I want doesn't mean commercially it is viable? And based on what she has written in the past, has she shown viability in the genre of biopics? And to the movie, after chevalier, would you pay for her to write another? This is the key between all artists creativity side commerciality. Edgar Allen Poe, a white man , died poor, and not financially grand. Mark Twain wasted fortunes made from books with various ventures, but earned a lot of money. But today, many more know more references of Poe over Twain. Does it make either artist bad creatively? no. Does it mean either artists has different qualities commercially ? yes Opportunity to make profit is rare for all artists but when given an opportunity if you fail to make money, you fail. And even if statistics are skewed or augmented to emphasize failures unfairly, it is up to the artists to keep creating. I paraphrase <I am typing one go , no checking> the preface of the play , The Escape by William Wells Brown "This play was written for my own amusement , and not with the remotest thought that it would ever be seen by the public eye. I read it privately, however to a circle of my friends, and through them was invited to read it to a Literary Society . Since then, the drama has been given in various parts of the country. By the earnest solicitation of some in whose judgement I have the greatest confidence, I now present it in a printed form to the public. As I never aspired to be a dramatist, I ask no favor for it, and have little or not solicitude for its fate. If it is not readable, no word of mine can make it so; if it is, to ask favor for it would be needless" And I paraphrase, same as before WEB Dubois, who isn't my favorite writer , but is true sometimes. "The Negro today fears any attempt of the artist to paint Negroes. He is not satisfied unless everything is perfect and proper and beautiful and joyful and hopeful. He is afraid to be painted as he is, lest his human foibles and shortcomings be seized by his enemies for the purposes of the ancient and hateful propoganda" My two points using the two paraphrases above < and I apologize for all this preaching, my own preaching does sicken me> is first, to emphasize an eternal truth, whether in the late 1800s or on MArs circa 2672, Black artists, like all other artists in humanity, are totally free to create whatever we want, but that doesn't mean we warrant or must be given opportunity to profit from it; and , second, that Black DOS artist, like all other artists in humanity, need to feel no shame in admitting thier culture , including all of its unique ways, like being the only people forced to immigrate to the american continent and enslaved in it. 3:33 That is a great artistic question from Nike. In films concerning characters in history, the film industry has common aspects. For example, anytime a white jewish character is in film at the time period commonly called world war II, significant time is always, always given to concentration camp life for jews,always. I have personally witnessed in many writing groups, black writers desire an end to the mentioning of enslavement to whites in the usa or the european colonies that preceded it. And I comprehend the source of this artistic movement. Black DOSers have a problem. We are the only group that was forced to immigrate and exist enslaved in the usa, the only one, so no oher group in the usa has our fiscal /governmental/cultural path in the usa, no other group. In the arts this is played out whenever slavery is displayed. So to be apart of the usa en large, if black people simply dismiss our enslavement in the arts, we are internally moving from it to join the other groups in the usa. Enslavement to whites will always be a historical fact, but the arts have the ability to create perceptions to the past, ala Bastille day in france or the october revolution in russia are prime examples. The french republic didn't start at bastille day , but those in power in france wanted to create a living myth that the french republic was started at the time marie antoinnette lost her head. But it isn't true, monarchism thrived long after the bastille was stormed ala Napolean and his descendents. And same to Russia, the February revolution is where the Czar really lost it, and he chose to step down willingly, the legislative body of russia , like in most governments with a highly multiracial populace was unable to finda center where non exist, which is perfectly human, and thus led to more chaos later that year in october. But, this is the power of modern myths, designed to make more complicated stories simple. It is easier to say, France rid itself of monarchy with the chopping of marie antoinette's head, it is easier to say the russian monarchy was blindsided by the power of the peasants, it is easier to say the usa is the land of the free and the home of the brave merely with the signing of a declaration of independence. Bullshit. 3:47 Joseph Bologne was lucky. The reality is, many Black artist like to use rare black examples and tout that as the story to emphasize in a time. Were all black people ensalved to whites in the european colonies that became the UA? no , but does that mean the story of land owning blacks needs to be emphasized over the over ninety percent of black people completely enslaved to whites? I say no. Robinson chose to do what I heard in black writing circles many black writers suggest, I quote :"why do we have to talk about slavery all the time". The majority in any community dictates most of their narrative, the black community in the usa his an anaomaly in that the minority in the black community in the usa tedns to try to dictate the larger narrative. Ala the talk about human equality , fighting for freedom, being statian <allegiance to the usa> , and many philosophies stem from the black minority in the black community in the usa, in opposition to the black majority in the usa which is historically or modernly, anti white, anti usa, pro segregation, yes seperate while equal. Note: Remember, the plantation is a form of integration. 6:10 yes, mullato is little mule. The Casta is something started by spain and this is where the terms, mestizo/mullatto/alvino/quadroon/octoroon come from. The problem with Casta is that it is a natural insulting system. Think of the Caste system in india. People like the Dalit are deemed less than by others in the more potent castes. It is an automatic insult. Saying Mulatto wasn't like saying Nigger. It is more like when someone is called black in the usa and they say, why do you have to call me black. It goes back to the writer and that philosophy or human equality. Don't call someone by a label, call someone by how they want to be referred to. So not the black dancer who made thriller but michael jackson who made thriller. The problem is not everyone is insulted when called mulatto. In South America, the simon bolivar side others were proud mestizoes, which is word kin to mulatto. For the record: mestizo is white parent side native american <regardless of native american phenotype> , Mulatto is white side black <regardless of geographic lineage, so native american or african or asian>, albino or quadroon is someone with morisco and white european <morisco parents are white and mulatto, mullatos paretns are white european and black> , octoroon is from a quadroon with another white european parent. Someone like rebecca hall, director of the film passing basedon the book by nella larson falls somewhere in that range of octorron and quadroon. ala https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Castas_07tornatras_max.jpg Is Casta or terms from it like Mulatto based on genetics , no. It is science, or knowledge, but it is based on lineage. And why does lineage matter historically? law plus inheritance. This is why the descendent of Gannibal <a statue of him is in russia today>, Alexander Pushkin <russians know this writer in russian literary circles> own descedents are all white. Gannibal < https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/Петровское._Бюст_А.П._Ганнибала.jpg > Ossip Abramovich Gannibal Nadezhda Ossipovna Gannibal < https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/N.O.Puskina.jpg > Alexander Pushkin < https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Kiprensky_Pushkin.jpg > Natalia Alexandrovna Pushkina < https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Pushkinana.jpg > Sofia Merenburg < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countess_Sophie_of_Merenberg#/media/File:Countess_Sophie_of_Merenberg,_Countess_de_Torby_(LOC_ggbain.00604).jpg > from Sofia Anastasia de Torby < https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/De_Torby_Anastasiya_Mikhailovna.jpg > Nadejda de Torby < https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Nadejda_Mountbatten%2C_Marchioness_of_Milford_Haven_(LOC_ggbain.16855).jpg > You may scoff at my going through this but do the research on their lives and you will notice their background had influence on their rank or inheritance. It is that simple. What is the problem? In modernity in the USa, the aracial philosophy that many aspire to, suggest that any system that disallows individuals is by default an extremely negative system. The Casta/Lineages determining inheritances all are against individual rights, which is what the writer by her own words above champions and it appears in her screenplay. But it is misplaced in the context of France during Joseph Bologne's time. Said France isn't the USA 2023. White people in France duing said time did not freely intermarry with each other. The caste/rank/lineage mattered to those with money, rightyl or wrongly, so to suggest a modern sentiment is a falsehood historically. But, is artistically acceptable. But notice it is both and how that relates commercially. This movie didn't shake up the world. 7:43 yes, European countries in the 1700s , 1800s , had very small black populaces, so small the term negligible can be applied. And in Europe, the peasant, the descendant of the White statian was the lowest class. And to be blunt, while blacks could never be considered royals in europe at that time, i argue, from Gannibal to Thomas Alexandre, while they were never regals in europe, to suggest they lived liked white peasants in europe is a lie. And I argue, that modern Black people living in white countries: usa or in western europe, falsely attribute to them an equality goal when I think they merely did what all did in the regale system of europe which is social climb. 99% knew they will never be the crowned but the goal of all was to reach for it. And the playground in between the regale and the no name peasant is where the action was. 8:50 yes that was a funny modernity. BUt I will say this, if that conversation did happen, I would had loved to hear that back in the day. Pourquoi n'epouser pas un Africain ? 10:30 exactly or white peasants. 10:46 yes, the white father in marie antoinette's time gave the black father after ronald reagan in the usa time speech, very tropy:) of Robinson, I wish I knew if that was true. 12:46 To be fair, Europe had a long history of art destroying, ala bonfires, through religious movements or wars and the period commonly called the french revolution <remember bastille day is a lie> was chaotic to no end. 14:46 yes at the end of the day I see in chevalier, Robinson as a fellow artist who by her own admission is contained in a multiracial while unfair media environment <hollywood> or country <usa> stating how the strategy of non violent artistically endeavored growth is a tradition for black people in white countries and the friction that provides said black folk with their phenotypical peers <like his mother who questions his intents or desires> or the white people with whom he wants to be embrace <marie antoinette's court>. Now none of his life is easily confirmed. But, from what I comprehend from a distance, the real guimard, whom he spurned, had influence over the court and undermined him in getting the opera position. While, the real Marie Josephine was abandonned by her husband in real life. I wonder why Robinson chose the style of interpreting them. For someone so interested in universalism, why not admit the woman Chevalier snubbed, Guimard, the daughter of an out of wedlock relationship some call love child, was bitter and worked against him. Robinson makes her more of an after thought when I think a great lesson in their relationship of two people born into low classes where he rejects and in her bitterness as any woman may have, used her influence to go against him a little. While the woman he supposedly wanted, married to an Soldier engineer but a man whose financial fortunes went up and down, had a baby whose destiny is unknown. Robinson choses to caricature Marc Rene into a Simon Legree light. I could be totally wrong on the history of Bologne but if what I know from gossip is true, I think how she constructed the relationship between the Chevalier side Guimaud/Marie Josephine/MArie Antoinette is her free artistic choice but doesn't align to her publicized viewpoints. I do think the mugging of him side his friend which is actually on record, though the source is uncertain, would had been a great tool to the power of universalism. Bologne fenced more and had, to be blunt, more complicated affairs than Robinson lets on and denies Bologne's life, even in a fictional nondocumentarian interpretation, the seat at the table or the absence of a filter she says she warrants or can provide as an artist in her modern workplace.
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The Girl With All The Gifts (2016) from Movies That Move We
My comment
05:38 yeah the Hannibal lector mask for the zombie kids:)
10:11 The Zombie Capo ask, Do you promise to bite without hesitation after this moment?
23:50 truly, the same energy or characterizations as "I am legend" of Richard Matheson
Did Zenobia feel squeamish for this film?Thoughts as I viewed
01:32 It isn't a "Night of the living dead" style zombie movie where it is a war of sensationalism it is in the style of "I Am Legend" by Richard Matheson with an evolution aspect of a popular movie monster, unlike the matheson, this is zombie's not vampires. But similar end point.
07:38 Really nice storytelling describing how Melanie's qualities are unique, a talented and gifted child of zombies.
12:42 Yes, she doesn't have to protect the human race. It is like I am legend, the human race at the end of i am legend or the girl with all the gifts is the same, ended. the vampires 2nd or 3rd generations are vampires but really just humans who dont like the light and wear sun screen in the same way the second or third generation zombies can talk and think while they still need to eat fraw flesh and blood.
18:30 Is it difference that shakes up humanity or is it fear or losing contentment? No one wants to lose where they are comfortable and usually, change brings a difference to comfort, a negative difference. And no one in their right mind wants to constantly recontent. Maybe many statians, people of the usa, like the idea of constantly finding contentment but most humans never have or will want to find contentment again and again.
26:36 I think the choice is obvious. It isn't dystopian, it becomes like I AM Legend, a good topian because all will have the sickness and eventually, the 2nd 3rd gen zombies will be the future of the human race, like the vampires in "I AM legend"TRANSCRIPT
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hey everyone welcome back to another edition of movies that move we today we are discussing a film that
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Don and I wanted to do for a really long time if you
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remember or for those of you who knew him um he had a neck for
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writing what amounts to horror stories and he was a fan of the horror genre but
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um and one of the stories he wrote it did focus on zombies
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and it was intense it was intense um this
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particular film that we're going to be talking about today is called the girl with all the
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gifts this isn't your typical zombie film as
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in um how can I say it doesn't feel like the typical zombie film to me where
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these things just come out of nowhere and they're chasing down humans eating them and then you know they're being
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converted kind of thing um I think this it feels different to me because they
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explain the reason why they've turned into zombies and then
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they take a look at what the unconverted society is doing how they
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dealing with it so um let me get into it
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um some of the the faces that you see the main characters there's five main characters focal
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characters um in this you have Melanie who is played by Sena nanua right now
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she's um one of the cast members of the serpent Queen um there's Dr Caroline Codwell
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which we just saw her last week um playing the mother Glen Close playing
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the mother in The Deliverance you may also know her from older films like um Fatal
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Attraction then the next character is Helen Justino played by je Gemma
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Aron um she was one of the cast members in the kings men if you watch the Golden
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Circle Series you will see her there um Sergeant Eddie Parks played by Patty con
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conine he was in peaky blinders and right now he's in House of dragons and
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the next character was Karen Gallagher which considered he was played
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by a black guy it's kind of an interesting name for a black character
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but he's played by FAO um akinade he's had he's been in episodes of Atlanta and
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he's been in Dangerous Liaisons which Glen Clos was in the movie he has a role
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in the series so what is happening in this film
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post-apocalyptic um people have contracted a fungus that
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wraps around their brain okay and um
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it's causing them to lose the ability to function as a normal human so they lose
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the ability to speak and the only thing that they are interested in doing is finding any type of mammal that
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moves so they can jump on and devour like I said earlier if you get
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bitten or scratched by these things you now become what they refer to in the
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film as a first generation hungry that's what they
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called them the hungries so in the film takes place in a
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in a base like an army base they call it the facility um just outside of
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London and in this facility they have
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children second generation hungries if you come across these
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kids they are like regular kids
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until they smell human flesh and then you become
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dinner so you look shot I mean that's a zombie I mean yeah
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so um what you see is they have these kids restrained they put them in
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wheelchairs they have the strap across their head so they can't lean forward and bite
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anybody the military is guarding them they're put in what amounts to to a jail cell
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whenever they're moving them from one location to another they got guns trained on
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them and these kids don't entirely seem to be bothered by it because they've
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gotten used to it they know what the protocol is we meet the main character
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Melanie Melanie is very polite to her captors when the guards come in they got
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guned con strained on her she's like good morning Captain good morning sergeant and they're like shut up you're
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an abortion that's what they call these kids hungries they call them abortions
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um and they take these kids to class so these kids are sitting in these
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wheelchairs strapped down and the teacher Miss Justino is at
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The Head of the Class teaching them normal things mythology mathematics science all of that good stuff and
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they're not being taught things out of the idea that they're kids and they
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still need to learn they're not viewed as children they're Lab Rats
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essentially and you start to see the difference between Melanie and the other
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kids the other kids they have normal kid knowledge okay they may not know the
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answer to 522 divided by six whereas
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Melanie is the first one shouting out the answers okay um their classroom is being
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guarded and observed and so when Miss Justino starts
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moving away from the normal lessons she's admonished and and they're like stick to the
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curriculum these kids love story time oh
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okay and they're like you don't have time to encourage imagination here teach them what we told you to teach
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us and when the kids insist story time story time is justtin know it's like I can't I can't do it you know I'm not
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allowed and so Melanie says well why don't you teach us Greek
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mythology that way we're getting our education you're sticking to what we should learn
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and we still get Story Time which was like
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okay and this is the way her mind works I'm not going to get into all of the the things but there's a head scientist
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played by Glen Close who's running the experiment on these kids and so she'll go buy sell to sell
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check on the kids take notes but she takes a little extra time with
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Melanie she'll stop by herself C she'll ask her a few questions things that are
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philosophical things that are Technical and then she'll ask her for a number between 1 and
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28 and Melanie will pick a number well Melanie noticed very quickly that the
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number she chose correlated to one of the cells the other students was in and when she
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selected a number the next day that kid would be missing oh and so that's when you find out the
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experiment that they're doing on these kids results in their
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death fast forward a little bit Melanie has figured this out and the base is invaded by
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generation one hungries so you got the military hand-to-hand
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combat with these things these things are not afraid of a weapon they're not afraid of a
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truck they're just we smell humans we smell blood we're going for it and
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consider the way I just reference that we're going in there and we're having a
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meal a lot of them were killed eaten
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converted transformed I should say cuz converted makes it sound like the the
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hungries were standing there and saying do you promis to follow all these rules and that's not what happened so anyway
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the five characters I mentioned in the beginning Melanie Dr Caldwell um Dr
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Justino Sergeant Parks and Karen Gallagher who is part of the military
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they managed to escape and their goal is to get to London so they can communicate with the
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other base and get coped out of the
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area that becomes complicated once they finally do make it to
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London because when you get to London what you see are the generation ones they're just kind of standing there
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because there's no activity around them and what triggers them is fast movement
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and eye contact and Noise so they had to tiptoe through London to
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find a safe space where they could hunker down and figure out what their next
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steps are how to get in touch with the other base in the process what they ended up
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doing was using Melanie because the other hungries don't respond to her M
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they use her to go out and find food and supplies
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the military people in the doctor still don't trust her because they're like she's not quite human yeah she looks
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human but she's not and she will kill all of us if if she has the chance out of all
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of the other kid she's the one that exhibits a certain amount of self-control okay where when she feels
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that urge to bite a human she articulates listen if you guys don't let
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me go out you're going to be my
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meal and so they'll let her out to go find something to eat MH and then she
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comes back she puts the the muzzle that they had on her back on and then she
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sits and she's a quiet kid there's other stuff that that
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happens along the way I'm not going to give away the entire movie but what I
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will say about the ending is that there was
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a I'll say philosophical um question that was
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presented and Melanie's response was
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basically that's not my
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problem so I'm going to just put that there I'm going to let you ask the
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important some of the important questions excuse me about the film so
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what um what are the hungri like context in
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the film so this is a PO
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postapocalyptic story and the hungries rep
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represent um the part of society that's Fallen
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um it's a very literal representation these people are no longer a part of the
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norm whereas those who were still regular functioning humans they
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were trying to regain control of society eliminate the
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problem and get back to what felt like the norm and that's part of what this film is
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questioning what's normal and how do you deal with different different or
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other okay okay um and then what role does education play in shaping melan's
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identity and choices well like I said um she was put in in a situation
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with other kids who had similar is issue the fungus was a part of their brain
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mhm they communicated they used normal
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language um they interacted with with each other not
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physically because one of the other things like I said in in London with the
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first generation if anything moved all of a sudden they were chasing together they
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were a mob and the same thing was true with the
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kids and there was something that was done in the classroom to show
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that um as far as ask the question again the
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last part um what like what what role does
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education play in shaping melanies I lost the classroom part of it okay so
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again she was the one who was taking information
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in think of it like this in a regular classroom like when you and I were in school they give
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information we get tested on it and there's only a certain amount of it we
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retain yeah you retain enough to get through take the test or you retain
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what's interesting to you the rest of the class
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was retaining enough to function in that setting God Melanie
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on the other hand was not just retaining it but giving it
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context so like I said when the doctor the doctor asked her a question about um
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what is it sh shinger cat mhm you know and she asked a series of questions
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stuff that we would normally answer like can you shake the Box can you put a hole in the Box can you listen to the box to
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see if the cat is really in there and when the doctor said no to all of
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them she paused and she said I have to think about
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it right so the doctor took a note and
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made a point to say there's no mimicking Melanie read that and was like
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well what does that mean so she's interacting she's
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questioning outside of the classroom setting and even in the classroom
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remember I said she said well wait a minute let's do this logically we can't
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have regular Story Time according to the guards and the
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doctors but if you do it this way so she was was she had logic where all of the
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other kids were like all right I have to learn this because there's going to be a
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test and we have to pass a test if we want to live live yeah that was the the
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the beginning and end of their logic gotta and then in what ways do the
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hungry symbolize deeper societal
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fears again we're people get afraid of what's different
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and I don't want to get too deep into politics but we see that right
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now um we saw that what was that 12
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years ago 16 years ago I I've lost a we we saw that when Barack
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Obama uh ran for office the first time um people questioned a whole lot of
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things they were like wait a minute we've never had a black president before is he going to be black or white
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you know it's like is he going to be for the black folks or is he going to be for everyone you know and so different
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shakes us up we don't think about ways [Music]
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to we don't think about ways to find the commonality yeah okay and granted
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zombies are an extreme difference um there's something that
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they do that is normal to them but puts our lives at risk and so um in
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a lot of ways in pre-apocalyptic world that we exist in that's kind of how we
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function for lesser things okay yeah so do you feel like the
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film you feel like the film reflects a lot on what's like currently happening
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in the world in general yes it uses an extreme example but yeah yeah and again back to the
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question Melanie poses at the end of the movie mhm the first time I saw the
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movie it was a gun punch watching the movie again I was like girl you go you
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giving it to her tell her yeah cuz like some films they have
19:52
like they have certain these even though it's like fantasy or sci-fi or something that would not really happen in real
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life it's just like some of them have such a message where it ties very heavily into like current events or even
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like just stuff that's going on now yeah this didn't use current events it was
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just more like yeah the societal things that could kind of take place or things
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that have kind of th this this was done in two 2016 so prepandemic
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uh yeah it was around the time that Barack Obama was was in office but again
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this was also done in England okay so it's it's taking it I think it took a
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broad look at all right we have these people that are
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extremely different that we're not used to and like I mentioned to you
20:50
earlier um consider people who have cognitive
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disabilities and how we deal with them we've categorized them to the point of
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and people try not to use this today they're moving away from this phrase
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we'll categorize them as high functioning or low functioning High
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function in meaning that they'll communicate like we do they'll move
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around in a way they'll they'll do you know daily task in a way that we are
21:26
accustomed to seeing M but for somebody who doesn't function like the of the
21:35
world around them my opinion I think we treat them
21:41
like they lack intelligence and if they
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show okay they have knowledge in this
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particular space like encyclopedia knowledge of a a specific topic
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we get excited and oh they're you mean they are Smart M and it's like who said
22:05
they weren't what makes you think that because they can't do all of these other
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things that they lack intelligence yeah they're not capable right and so the
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movie put that into perspective you have the hungries who
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have actually lost the ability as as far as we can tell to
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communicate what the doctor says is mimicking Behavior because if one chases
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they all Chase they all Chase but it didn't mean that they didn't have a means of communicating they didn't show
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that with the first generation hungries they gave you an example of
22:50
second generation hungries but then there's another group that did not grow
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up in the facility they weren't given education
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that they show Intelligence MH but they're not verbal
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the same way regular regular degular humans are
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okay okay and then um what does Melanie's final
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decision say about her character in the world she inhabits she views herself as
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normal she doesn't disregard the normal that the doctors
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and the folks that were in the military mhm oppressing people like her she
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doesn't view them as different she she even says at one point I'm just like
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you so it it it takes it back to if you have
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somebody who in our present day who is considered high functioning they don't
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see themselves as any different and for somebody who doesn't
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move the same way in our setting they
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recognize the difference as far as how they process but they don't see
24:24
themselves as any less human as they themselves outside of maybe their
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ability toally or Express they don't see themselves as any
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different they recognize that they're being treated differently okay if that makes sense
24:45
that makes sense so any other questions okay what did well I guess
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what did what did you think about the movie overall was it something that was kind of like up your Al is something
24:59
that's kind of like I don't mind a a a a zombie movie
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okay um I like this one because it actually made a statement
25:14
without bashing you over the head with it okay you know it even though the main
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character is a black little girl this wasn't happening to all black characters
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yeah you know it affected the young the old regardless of race and she just
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happened to be the kid that was
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um that was the highest functioning you know so um I I like the
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message of the movie again watch this watch it to the end
25:54
because that one line that one question
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she asks put a whole button on the entire film and then what she does after
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that um kind of makes you think about your place right
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now and if all of a sudden there was a decision
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that had to be made between your group M
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and another group how would you [Music] move how would you
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move um so like I said this is postapoc
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postapocalyptic and it's also dystopian um because in most
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dystopian fiction takes place in AOC postapoc thank you because I've been
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struggling with that this whole time um but it they all tie into
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an an oppressed Society loss of individuality
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dehumanization these kids were called anyone who had this condition they were called hungries they weren't called
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people with fungus on the brain um the kids were called abortions um
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resistance you didn't see the rest of normal society
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because the only world that existed at this point as far as they knew was that
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base and the five people who survived that base um but I think
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overall it really sends a strong message about differences and how you deal with
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differences and I think they made Melanie's character
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extreme um in in a way like she didn't hate
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these people mhm that were oppressing her yeah um she understood that you get
28:09
more more flies with honey than vinegar yeah and so from the very beginning like
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I said she was very polite um even to the sergeant who
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was the most cruel to towards her she was very very polite and through
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through their Adventure if you will you start to see them soften to her a little
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bit just a little bit so I think overall this is a a great
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movie um it's not uh intense
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action so don't go looking for that again it's not beating you over the head
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with message it does that a little more with action than it does with uh
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words okay and while I'm talking about this um let me tell you bit a bit about
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the writer you're probably familiar with some of his work um Mr Cary Mike Cary um
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he's written he wrote the book which is is the same title as the movie
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um he also you'll recognize his work he's done a series of comic books for DC
29:37
and Marvel um for DC he did Batman I
29:42
think is Gotham Knights um hellblazer and the spin-off
29:47
to that Lucifer um and he did a lot with X-Men Legacy and the Wolverine series
29:55
for DC Comics as well as as for the video games so he's not you may not know
30:03
his name but you you've you've seen his work somewhere along the line so all of
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that to say check this movie out I'm not going to put a number on this because
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people are going to feel a little bit differently about it again to your question I can take a a a zombie movie
30:25
but I'm not chasing zombie movies that's some people's favorite genre but
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in in the horror space this is my speed there it's to me
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it's not a whole lot of blood and guts they don't give you a whole lot of that because there's a bigger story to tell
30:43
yeah so definitely check this one out this is all we have for
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Zenobia in the house!) nice chester shirt Nike
Her is some great trivia, Glen Close has in her contract she gets to keep wardrobes from her films:)
I love her quote about winning an Oscar
"I remember being astounded that I met some people who were really kind of almost hyper-ventilating as to whether they were going to win or not, and I have never understood that. Because if you just do the simple math, the amount of people who are in our two unions, the amount of people who in our profession are out of work at any given time, the amount of movies that are made every year, and then you're one of five [nominees]. How could you possibly think of yourself as a loser?"
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Glenn Close is a stage person too so she is used to performing in various genres but stage gives you experience in acting in group unselfishness
thanks for the dual interpretation of the documentary compared to the film.
What you lived in an old scary house with Zenobia? what:) haha
haha Zenobia does not do chopping and slicing:) hahaha
the girl with all the gifts who has a Hannibal lector mask:)In Amendment
I saw glenn close in finding your roots, outside of glenn close wanting to work and get paid, i think this is the first film where glen close is playing aside a mostly black cast and it is interesting and in her role, very uncommon character. I think she loved the idea of the character she played which is rare, the only character I can think near her's is the white woman in hustle and flow with the cornrowls
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4:52 that captivates me, Glen Close plays a white woman who ... adores the black form:) she is a good thespian in all earnest. Her performances in fatal attraction , the natural, house of spirits, the paper, i enjoyed each character, a different female
5:40 great point about how the family didn't want people who looked like them in the play.
33:41 the documentary is powerfulTranscript
1:00
but let's start at the beginning and tell you who did it who did it this was
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directed by Lee Daniels um you'll remember him from precious and the
1:12
butler he co-wrote this with Elijah bam and David
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cogshell um this movie came out in August it had a limited release in
1:24
theaters and then it was put on Netflix you can still watch it now if you hav't
1:30
don't be scared don't be scared just go watch it it's actually I think an
1:37
interesting story from a religious perspective um we'll talk about that a
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little later but um this was inspired by the story of Latoya
1:51
Ammons she rented a house in Gary Indiana and shortly after she rented the
1:59
house strange things started happening um she moved in in 2011 with
2:07
her mom and her three kids and after moving in um there was a lot of
2:13
unexplainable things like the very first thing and you see this in the movie as well they had an infestation of
2:21
flies in the dead of winter now normally if you got flies
2:28
something done die and the the the Flies are having a feast but in the winter
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time it's hard to pull that one off um and this was happening on their front
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porch um the kids were behaving strangely they were talking in strange
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voices um they said the kids were levitating um speaking a different
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language that the mother couldn't understand the neighbors thought the kids were being abused and
3:02
contacted the authorities um at a certain point the authorities did removed the kids from
3:08
the home her kids were taken from her without court order social worker was
3:15
involved with all of that um and in 2012 a local priest performed an exorcism on
3:24
the kids in I believe um Latoya we just finished watching the
3:29
documentary about it also and details between all of this are are tiny bit
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sketchy um they moved out of that house in
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2012 they moved what was it 100 miles away Indianapolis in Indianapolis they
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were like we're out we want nothing to do with it um anybody who's been in that
3:54
house they are like we're not dealing with you because you probably have that
4:00
Spirit on you and we're not doing it again they were absolutely terrified by what happened
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I'm going to tell you about that as well when we start talking about the documentary so this story is a little
4:14
bit different it doesn't happen in Gary Indiana it takes place in Pittsburgh
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Pennsylvania um and same setup three
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kids the daughter and her mother which the mother is played by Glen Close and
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let me tell you something Glenn Close played the mess out of a white woman
4:39
who's down with the swirl I I I would love to know what
4:44
research she did to get the whole thing together cuz when I tell you she played
4:49
the mess out of it she played the mess out of it okay I also want to know like
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what made them cast her when you're good you're good
5:00
plain and simple when you're good cuz it's not even that she like I think she did a great great great job it was just
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like as I'm watching it I'm like how did this happen like what she like what did they like what made them make the
5:14
decision to go with like uh a white character I I'm like you I'm wondering
5:21
if they wrote it in that way just to honestly you know especially if the
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family kind of said look we want to huge separation from our likeness like I
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don't know but again it worked but it was just kind of like yeah when it came out I was like but why but but you know
5:40
what I didn't even think about that I was like dang because the dynamic between her and Andre day who played um
5:49
ebony the daughter mhm it was awesome yeah it was really it awesome it was
5:56
believable but close is like it like she is a great actress youall ever watch
6:03
Fatal Attraction you know I need you to calm down for a minute she she did that
6:08
that's all I'm saying like she did that okay but but in saying that you know when people start talking about okay who
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are the great ones her name is most definitely on the list and the thing I love about
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um seeing her with people who are considered newer in the industry like
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Andra day um she doesn't take away from their shine yeah she yeah you know and
6:36
it it's it's nice to see that they could kind of I'm not even going to say
6:43
balance each other but just that they had that Dynamic and energy and I've seen her do that um in one other movie
6:52
with a kid and it's like people are like yo for that kid to stand beside her
7:00
and you know hold her own that's awesome MH and yes it is but I also think it's
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because on screen she's not a selfish selfish actress I'll say it that way and
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we'll be watching the movie I'm talking about next week later for that but um
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yeah Glen Glen Close played the mother Alberta Andre day played ebony Nate
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which you'll remember him from uh stranger things stranger things was played by Caleb
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mlin um Andre who is the other main
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character in this story was the youngest son he was played by Anthony B Jenkins
7:47
Shante Demi Singleton she plays the only
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daughter um and then there was Cynthia played by none other than MO
8:00
and then Apostle Apostle Bernice James was played by Anan Ellis
8:08
Taylor okay so you got a great cast here and again when you start talking about
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um kids who play their role well um Anthony did the darn thing yeah
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got to give him his props on this because he played the role of a
8:31
possessed child really well really well and honestly just a child in general
8:37
because I even see like in other movies that I watched I've just always seen like sometimes when the kids
8:44
act it it doesn't come off as like believable or like genu like it doesn't
8:51
just mesh into the movie it's kind of like okay yeah they're a child actor and this is like probably their first or
8:57
second movie and like you know know it's cute but like it's just like we can tell your no but that's I mean for anybody
9:04
it's challenging to go back and forth between being the character the um
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innocent child shifting evil character and then just
9:19
shifting back to innocent and he was real smooth he was really good with it um the if the movie
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followed if followed the big details of what happened with LaToya ammon's move
9:35
into a house social workers checking in in the
9:40
story um L um not Latoya ebony is separated from her husband he's trying
9:48
to take the kids she's had alcohol and drug problems she's taking care of her
9:55
mother um who has cancer and there's tension between her and her mother her
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mother recently found Christ is going to church you know Jesus Jesus Jesus is her
10:06
thing but even her mom has that similar thing where she was on
10:12
drugs she was on alcohol she was abusive to her daughter but she's
10:19
changed her daughter is taking care of her because it's a responsibility but
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she said to her mother several times I haven't forgotten anything that you did
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to me so I bring all of that up to talk about things that will wake
10:40
up in this case a demon um and for those of you who are
10:46
religious you you you get where I'm going and for those of you who are spiritual yeah you get it too because we
10:53
talk about good energy being positive what you give
10:59
is what you get and while this family wasn't um they weren't a bad family they
11:07
weren't bad people they were stressed there was a lot of stress and
11:13
tension and that type of energy will feed and it was just like there was a
11:19
lot of um there was a lot of past trauma and just negative things that have not
11:25
been worked out right and when you're talking about spirituality like when there's a negative energy there's going
11:30
to be negative things that feed off of that which a demon would be the perfect like oh okay yeah they have this energy
11:37
going on I'm going attach myself to it so there's something for me to feed on
11:42
um now the landlord in real life claimed never had
11:48
anything like this happen before I don't know what they talking about I don't know what they could be
11:54
talking about and so um we'll we'll switch up
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now to the to the real story um I'm not going to tell you how it ends in the
12:07
movie cuz it ends differently than it did in real life a little bit but I'll say this um
12:17
ebony like Latoya did get her kids back they moved out of the home and set up
12:24
somewhere far away to not deal with those things
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anymore not far enough in my opinion oh what you want them to move to another
12:34
planet it would have been across the country if it was
12:40
me all right so one of the things that we did because y'all know me I um I take
12:48
notes and there was a documentary that was also done about this and we watched
12:56
maybe half of it m yeah I couldn't take it anymore yeah um so the guy who did
13:03
the documentary his name is Zach bin and if any of you watch the Travel Channel
13:09
um like I do um and I do watch the Paranormal stuff I think it's kind of
13:14
cool I refuse to watch him absolutely not under no
13:21
circumstances because he doesn't just deal with ghost ghost are easy you walk
13:27
in you talk to them they say get out you leave
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straightforward but he likes to go in and confront demons so he will go into a
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space that people have said listen I was tossed around like a rag doll um something was speaking to me and
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I didn't get it I woke up and I had slashes all over me he will go into that
13:55
space and go oh you want to mess with people huh huh come do it to me and then
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he'll walk out with a demon attached to him get exercise and then go back and do the same thing again that's a definition
14:07
of crazy to me I don't go out of my way to watch him because he did the
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documentary on this film and he went to Great Lengths to get this story so that he
14:24
could do the documentary um we're going to talk about
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him and things that happened after Latoya and her family left
14:37
Dodge okay so what he did he bought the
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house he bought the house at the time he bought the house
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there were squatters living there they claimed
15:00
initially paranormal what what you mean we a nothing happened here no sir but you want us to leave and you GNA pay us
15:06
to get out let us pack these bags up now he ended up speaking with the
15:14
boyfriend away from the rest of the family okay the boyfriend meaning co-
15:21
squatter and this guy started spilling his guts and saying there's something in that
15:27
house if you pay me all the money first we come to an agreement I will tell you everything you need to know which to
15:35
some might sound a little suspect but being that there were two other families
15:41
that lived in that house that has similar experiences I kind of don't blame the dude for saying money then
15:51
conversation um the family that lived there previously that actually rented
15:59
previously um they came back to the house they walked through the woman brought her
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three kids and it's on video she's she never liked to go in
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the basement where the root of the activity
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was she went down in the basement with the crew with her kids and Zach asked
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her he was like you did you said you didn't come down to the basement you
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don't like it she said no my was it her brother or her brother her brother lived in the basement when
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she lived there with her mom and her kids and she
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said he died while we were living here find out that he was
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killed I don't think it was anything where he was legally involved anything
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he was coincidentally shot um she said there were some strange things you know
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you you would hear footsteps through the house where when it made no sense for
17:12
footsteps to be in the house while they were in the house and she's talking to
17:18
Zach nobody else is talking everyone's listening he asked her a question she
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responded and on the recording you could hear another voice [Music]
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okay um they went back they actually had to hunt
17:37
down Latoya and her family Latoya would say oh yeah yeah
17:45
I'll talk to you never called him back never made time to speak with him he
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found her house she would not come to the door her
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brother said I'll talk to you went back to Gary went to the house with
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him started explaining the things that he witnessed in the
18:10
house and when he got done talking to Zach and tried to get back into the
18:16
place where he lived with his sister and Mom his sister said absolutely not
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depart from me Satan get the behind don't come back here because you might
18:28
have something on you okay Zach said he had to fire
18:36
members of his crew after one incident and the actual incident is
18:43
recorded on surveillence he started Zach started
18:48
shoving members of his team around while they were inside the house they had just
18:53
put up a little altar okay so you think you put up an altar you pray over it you got your
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candles your incense whatever it is that should keep things come nope that Spirit
19:05
jumped on him he started getting violent and they had trouble convincing
19:11
him to come out of the house right after that incident one of the crew members
19:17
quit he said I'm done not doing this with you the police officer who was
19:25
investigating the case when Latoya was was there he came back to the house to
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interview and what was it 2 weeks later he said mhm 2 weeks later this man
19:39
slipped on ice he said both feet came up from him he went up about 3 feet in the air landed on his
19:46
head couple of weeks after that he was shot so it's like everybody that came to
19:52
the house something crazy happened the previous family that rented before
20:00
Latoya um I mentioned to you that the lady brought her three kids while they
20:06
were in the house again talking with Zach her son walked by her and stood on
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the other side of one of the daughters there's nobody behind her her knee
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buckled and she looks at her son and said why' you kick me nobody kicked her and they they
20:25
slowed it down and showed you what was happening at the moment nobody kicked her and and whatever she felt it didn't
20:32
just feel like oh I'm losing my balance she she felt the hit well what happened
20:37
in the weeks after that is one of her
20:43
daughters was just acting strange even while they were in the house the daughter was like kind of going in and
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out you could see her face would go blank and then she would answer a question and then her face would go
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blank again she the mother called Zach frantic and
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said I just got a call from my mom my daughter was at homecoming I don't know what happened and we're at the hospital
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the girl tried to unal Alive herself she was sitting and stabbing herself in both
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wrists with a pen and um it's what they call was it
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Stig Stigmata I think that's what it's called stigmata which is basically where people
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try to where people will harm themsel
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like in in this the fashion of the crucifixion so you'll have marks in your
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wrist you'll have marks in your feet as though you were spread out on the cross
21:48
like Christ um they got her after she was all
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patched up and they asked her what happened and she said I don't remember I
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don't remember what happened and in that moment talking to her she was she seemed like she was
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fine so they went to the same priest that exercised Latoya Ammons and her family
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and he performed an exorcism on the girl and they had the camera watching her and
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she's sitting there and the pastor is reading off scripture and telling her
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you know this is not you the demon has to come out in the name of Jesus and she's
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sitting there and her hands are going like this and then all of a sudden she
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just kind of no one's touching her no one's around her and the pastor says that was the
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moment that the demon left if you believe that stuff you do if
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you don't you don't um if you're the type that leaves in
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rebuking and calling things out in the name of Jesus and telling it to leave
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this was that moment okay like I said we didn't finish watching it but he ran
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down Zach ran down a list of everything that happened to people
23:21
who had any kind of contact with this
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house people got sick people were un
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alived just anything that you can think of running the gamut okay he said he was
23:41
sick for 8 days at one point dealing with this house once he completed the
23:50
documentary he bulldozed the house that's how bad things were both
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bulldo the house so nobody else could live there I don't know if he still owns that plot of land or what but he said
24:07
that neighbors still report that there are some strange things happening around
24:13
that property and at the time that he was trying to do the
24:20
documentary he found out that part of the reason why Latoya didn't want to talk to him was because she was in talks
24:26
with a producer about doing a film based on her
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story don't know who that was he didn't name it I'm not making assumptions that
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this is the same movie so in a nutshell these are the
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things that happen based on real events people after the fact getting involved
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had some similar experiences with the spirit demon
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that lived in that house so that being said zeny what talk to me about some of
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your thoughts overall about the
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movie um bulldozing should have happened years ago that's what I'm going to start
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off with but no um I just feel like it does remind me of um some other movies
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one that really stuck out to me was it kind of reminded me of
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us because there's a scene which I'm not going to give it away but there is a scene where the main character is kind
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of having to face herself at a certain point and if anybody has watched us
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there's a point where in the beginning of the movie and at the end of the movie where she's having to deal with herself
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so even though I think it's coming from like a different context like a context where you know in this film they're
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dealing with demon versus kind of like a parallel universe it's still kind of like giving the vibe
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of like you're having to face yourself to overcome something right um another
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thing that I noticed in the movie was there's a lot of symbolism MH there's a part where basically like she's in the
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process of getting this demon out and she's going into the basement with her
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flashlight because it's dark now of course this is where this demonic being is is
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living um you know that's associated with Darkness but you know of course she's
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trying to go in with the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ himself and get this thing
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out she has the flashlight and the flashlight Shines on uh a angel figurine mhm and that
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moment it kind of just like signaled like God is with you no matter what right now in the real events remember
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they talked about the first time the police went to the house that they had
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some they had Crosses by the front door and all types of things to kind of
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protect the house yeah so yeah there were things like that there were a couple of jump scares when you start
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talking about movie tropes there were a couple of jump scares um there was the
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final girl Trope because Andre day was the one who was left standing to deal
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with that demon so she was it if she didn't survive it that was she she was
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the final girl the typical dark and stormy night there were certain scenes
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where um things were happening or about to happen in that dark and stormy night
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was the foreshadowing uh something that we saw last week in
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parallel the bird flying into the window the crow flying into the window that
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happened early in the movie and that symbolizes change whether good or bad
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when you see the crow flying into a or a bird flying into a window that's the symbol right there
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don't push it foot um the other what was the other one there was they did bring
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up the bird again when they had to take the little boy to a therapist to figure out out what was going on mhm and they
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showed him a picture of the the crow I'm not going to spoil it but they showed the picture of The Crow and she kind of
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asked like what he thought it meant and he related it to events in the house
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right so it's like stuff like that there was just like a lot of to me a lot of symbolism and stuff like that going on
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the subtle one was the train horn in one scene um and I didn't jot it
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down in my notes but I did look it up and basically that also is a
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foreshadowing that danger is coming M and yes shortly after that scene that
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makes sense that's what happened um but overall I think the movie was a good
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interpretation of the real events um I think this is a lot
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milder than a lot of horror stories out there you know there were a couple of
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bloody scenes but it wasn't it wasn't anything it wasn't Gore put it like that at least to me it
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wasn't it wasn't Gore um the things that were going on based on the story made
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sense it wasn't even as much of a like Thriller for me mhm where like stuff is
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just popping out every five minutes it wasn't really like that either right you know it was really okay something here
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is strange we don't know what it is but we black so we ain't investigating it
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either like there was one part where uh ebony was like okay I got to go
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downstairs and see what's going on and she's standing there but she was
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like yeah know I I know something's weird down there but N I think I don't think I'm going to go down there this
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one is hollering go downstairs and I'm like girl she black well she's not going
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to do that there was a scene where during the day like she felt something was off in the basement she's outside in
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the backyard and she's like there's what do they call that the doors for the out
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I forget what they call the doors but it's like slanted and it opens this way and then you can walk you can walk down
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to the basement from outside so I'm sitting here like all her kids are home it's
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daylight I'm going to go down there and find out what's going on because I have an infestation in my house where is this
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coming from that's my thought process now at night absolutely not I'm not going in no basement L let me tell you
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what sis did she called a professional to go down there and figure
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out what was going on which is what I would have done cuz remember we lived in that old house neither one of us was a
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fan of the basement nope okay old house stone wall like Cobblestone wall no no
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and that's where the laundry room was I started taking my stuff to the laundry mat
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because scary wasn't feeling it so um I think overall a good interpretation of
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real events without um without being so exact M
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about every detail the one character who you saw her turn around was Monique's
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character the social worker um oh gosh what what was the character name again
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Cynthia Cynthia was a jerk okay put it plain and simp
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she walked in she was like you drinking you still
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smoking mhm yeah you still drinking and smoking was going through the mother's medication dropping it on the floor and
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I wanted to punch her in the throat I'm not going to lie because she was annoying she was disrespectful but by
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the end once she witnessed what was actually
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happening she had some sympathy just a little bit but she had
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some sympathy and was like all right I know this wasn't you being drunk or high
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while these things were happening because I saw it and I know I wasn't drunk or high so I'm going to help you
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get your kids back mhm so and you know I
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think Mo'Nique did look you can't complain you can't complain about Monique's acting CH yeah
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she's a great actress um so all in all I think if you like the horror
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genre this is up your alley check it out um if you're going to go so far as to
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watch the documentary about this do it during the daytime have Siege
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and holy water and anointing oil cuz I will be saving myself later and we didn't even
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watch the whole thing but we were sitting here like and it's crazy cuz it draws you in like it is interesting to
33:26
like find out all these things that were going on but yeah it just scares me it's like if all this was happening to these
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people by just like because you see it really happening and again knowing the
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history of oh what was his name Zack beIN knowing the history again used to
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watch him all the time and be unfazed and then I grew up and realized oh snap he's really that that really did jump on
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him um knowing that he goes all
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in and seeing the things that happen just in that that first
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half yeah you may if you're going to watch the documentary heck watch it outside don't even watch it in the
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house watch it outside but um yeah I think this one is is a good one if
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you're into horror if you're into
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um oh what is it I don't want to say reality but like based on true events
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yeah like documentaries bio or bio I I think you'll you'll enjoy this
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one m so um you got anything else you want to add Omar
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EPS Omar EPS was was Alberta's nurse oh
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yeah okay that I'm not going to say that was the comic relief but that was the my God
35:04
it can't be serious no there comic Rel I mean there was a there was some funny parts but that whole
35:13
relationship had me like this can't be real this can't be
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real but it was like it worked I don't know it just worked anyway again you know you got to give Omar EPS been in it
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for a while he played the the role of nurse
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well and then Glenn Close what you you have to see it to to to to
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get it but I was like oh my darn did they wow they really just did
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wow okay okay I ain't mad at either one of them exactly I wasn't expecting that
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either I I wasn't and mind you I sat here and watched it twice
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so that was not exp so all right anything else from you ma'am no I think
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it was a really really good movie I would watch it again let me tell you how much she was
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in her phone because she was afraid of the bloody bits it was there was one part where they have a flashback and I
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don't do the The Chopping and the slicing I don't do that now I watch a
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lot of like creepy stuff but when it comes to like the blood and guts I cover
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my eyes even if it's in the movie I'm watching I'm like no I can't American Horror Story yeah she I will cover my
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eyes on some parts of American Horror Story as well if it's boring the stuff there is way weirder than what was in
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this movie that's all I'm going to say about that and honestly also I'll say American Horror Story kind of has like
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especially the older ones their gory things it's like you look at it and you're like oh that's not really that
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believable like it's not realistic this was pretty realistic I'm sorry well knowing that these events
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really happened it's like you watch it with a different mindset yeah so that is
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all we have for you today um next week we will be talking
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about the girl with all the gifts you know continuing on our scary October
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type theme or sci-fi thriller horror themed month um yeah the girl with all
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the gifts um check that one out I downloaded
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it but I'm sure you can find it streaming somewhere if you can't definitely rent
37:46
it rent it on Voodoo Fandango um great movie Glen Close once
37:52
again is in that one and again that movie is the one where the interaction
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between her and the girl Stellar performance Stellar
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performance between the both of them um if you like zombie movies this is it
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okay so we'll bring that up next week we'll talk a little more about that in
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the meantime don't forget to like share and follow our YouTube channel and
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Mr. Crocket review from Movies That Move We
Zenobia:) not hiding her thoughts:)
hahaha Nike:) gelatin is easy to cut, I wonder what don would had said about this film:)
Question to either of you, It's funny you call it a B movie cause, B Movie's were meant to support a feature, or support fan desires, theaters would change up the B movie they show multiple times per week. what film you consider high quality would you play right after Mr Crocket? What other B film would you show with Mr Crocket?
Zenobia, did the film seemed rushed or the plot seemed more fantasy than the fantasy elements?
they still have mnn - manhattanneighborhood nework, which is the nyc public access
great fun at the end:)
Mr. Crocket reviewed by Movies That Move We
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Entergalactic reviewed by Movies That Move We
glad to see you guys back:)
2:36 keith david is getting work late in the career
4:11 interesting, they made the characters indicative of the voice actor
8:05 good point an african american romantic animation
10:03 oh nike, you and your sexual themes ahhhh,great show:)
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glad to see you guys back:) 2:36 keith david is getting work late in the career 4:11 interesting, they made the characters indicative of the voice actor 8:05 good point an african american romantic animation 10:03 oh nike, you and your sexual themes ahhhh, great show:)
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MY COMMENT love the school house rock shirt:) what is that on zenobia's shirt? 13:51 your black mama mindset is too strong:) it is 2024:) yes, zenobia , smile:) .. as black individuals acquire fortunates or more financially opulent lifestyle, will the black parental mold, born from the quarters of the enslaved, become similar to the white parental mold born from the house of the enslavers? no soul food ending:) you two really liked this film? was this the best film you guys saw from the past ten reviews? the power of non advertising:) that is how gems get through cover image
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MY THOUGHTS 0:10 Jill scott's character in this film is well known, I have only seen two tyler perry films. One is with a black woman who is with a wife beater, and the other is with a black woman who is using a black man's marriage as a cover for her mistresshood to a white man . But it seems he likes to have an abused black woman by a black man. reminds me of "for colored girls" 3:30 I don't think Zenobia shared why the relationship between jill scott's character and said character's husband bother's her so much. It is clearly negative but she wanted to say more i think 4:15 Nike, you found the relationship with the michael j white character side wife funny? 10:00 Zenobia, I don't exist in the circles where tyler perry films ar ebeing talked about alot, thanks for mentioning. 12:05 why have the tyler perry films become more debated now in the espace circles, in either of your opinions? 13:11 why did you show his image, the character that jill scott's character romances with? is he a hero or something?:) 14:49 do both movies explain why the guy who married jill scott 's character marry her in the first place? I don't comprehend based on what you guys said, why he married her, did she have the body of tyra banks or sade or kerry washington when they married? 21:17 red tomato:) rotten tomato:) Nike your hilarious, Zenobia, was the second film spinned off unrealistic? 23:36 Is the formulaic way of Perry why his alex cross failed so much? 28:10 all artist display their rearing or the reaction to their rearing in their work. it is inevitable. 30:32 Tyler Perry like SPike LEe like Robert Townsend, like the Wayans, like others before , all comprehend the industry and all have influenced it, But each have their own perspective based on their tribe in the village so to speak. the problem isn't that the black experience in the usa is complex, all black people or white people know this. but the black experience in media rarely reflects how complex it is. So black people who don't share another's experience call their ersion a falsehood or leser view, when it is merely a view from a different part of the black community. 33:35 yes in europe theater was a place for only male thespians, in japanese kubuki as well, 35:57 tyler perry comprehended that many of the older black thespians have followings in the black community or the white community of a certain age and supporting them provides a certain audience, especially of financially affluent blacks 37:37 great job covering all three films. Enjoy the Winter season! THE NEW COLOR PURPLE Usually when people talk about films they go into a what do they think . I will ask more blunt questions. After viewing the trailer for the new color purple, and after seeing the review of why did i get married from movies that move we... 1) Discarding who produced the film, Would you finance the 2023 color purple film as it is? 2) Discarding who produced the film, would you finance why did I get married/why did i get married 2? Both of my answers to said questions is no. If I owned a studio and I had to give money to make the 2023 color purple or tyler perry's why did i get married produced, I would say no to both. Now comprehend, I gamble the 2023 color purple film will like its predecessor make a ton of money. The original color purple film had a budget of fifteen million and make ninety eight million so black film goers loved the film and I expect them to love the musical with its cast. As for Why did I get married, the first movie i did not find the budget but it made fifty five million. While why did i get married too had a budget of twenty million and made sixty million. Now knowing the financial history, I ask if you owned a movie studio and were needed for the films 1) Discarding the financial profitability of the color purple films plus assuming you knew the profitability, Would you finance the 2023 color purple film as it is? 2) Discarding the financial profitability of the why did i get marrieds plus assuming you knew the profitability, would you finance why did I get married/why did i get married 2? Both of my answers to said questions is no. If I owned a studio and even if I knew these movies will be financially profitable and was needed to get these movies made, I still will not produce them. why this line of thinking? In discussing the preacher's wife I realized something is lacking in discourse in the arts. The owner. Too often people talk about liking a film in the mindset of the customer controls. but the customer doesn't control. The owner controls. No film studio produces all sorts of films, stories. That isn't wrong, that merely shows acceptable bias based on ownership taste. So in the same context, I feel for now the question is not whether I like a film but whether I will put money to a film if I was needed for it to be made. Answering that question reveals the truth about the customer more than the customer question which is foolhardy cause customers have varying tastes and if enough customers like a movie/theater production/book or some art, it will be financially a success, regardless to those that don't like it. MY REASONS... in a nutshell My top five movies answer explains my reasoning well but I will be explicit. The color purple is not the kind of story I want to see based on the time period. The why did I get married's black marital situations I don't want to finance. TOP FIVE MOVIES I WILL PRODUCE https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/10653-the-upside-from-movies-that-move-we/?do=findComment&comment=64110 some more film discussion https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/10681-the-preachers-wife-review-from-movies-that-move-we/
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QUESTIONS what chips or snacks were you eating? what is the most financially successful black female produced film in the usa? You guys made me wonder about black male movie reviewers opinion toward films produced or directed by black women . I wonder do black female produced/directed films get mostly positive reviews from black male film reviewers? To the needle moving, Biden could had chose stacey abrams who is more functional like shirley chisholm but chose kamala harris who is less industrious while also like obama or adam clayton powell jr is phenotypically not the image of "pure blackness" like chisholms' color suggest. Was this film like the aretha franklin supported biopic, in that it didn't get steamy or telenovela-ish? Are you calling on a PBS vietnam war level documentary for shirley chisholm? i think that would be very revealing.
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Rustin 2024 American Fiction 2023 The Color Purple 2023
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MY THOUGHTS 1:37 why did Zenobia hate it! I want to know the why. Did Zenobia like "the harder they fall" or "concrete cowboy" ? Does Zenobia like any cowboy films in general. 4:01 yes, the cowboys were originally the person near the cow who guides them. 5:06 hmm good point, a less talked about part of black history in the usa, that black people don't tend to talk about alot. I wonder why do you think? 6:15 no, he got in a fight with the whites at the town and was to be executed/imprisoned or he can conscript. He conscripted but tried to leave three times ,, attacked a superior officer and that brought him to cuba in the military. He was a lieutenant. 9:31 I love how you did the voice Nike of the short guy. 9:57 Bless you Nike, futuristic cowboy:) who would Zenobia like to see as the director? the same director? 10:53 this movie plays into the western myth style. ahhh Zenobia hasn't even seen it. 11:48 she wants Posse with an all female cast. Zenobia:) this is meant to be a western myth film. 12:39 Gang of roses is the film with lil kim 13:01 the movie is direct. In defense, Peebles has been in war for a long time. That is the truth. Soldiers don't come back from war, or are on the run, reminiscing , singing songs. yes, Nike. And he always told them to follow him if they want but no questions. He really is a pure man in black. 15:40 education is power is the message and your right Nike, the movie is stating its purpose 16:15 you did see a native american woman hanged. 18:10 Zenobia is funny, she said wakanda , kkk 18:50 I think they were performed well cause they are frustrated, but it is backlogged. It is a tentative. It is a frustrated scene. They love each other, but this is a love that had a beautiful beginning and has been delayed and waylayed for years. 21:22 Zenobia , your review isn't bad. it is honest, but it is about aesthetic. Peebles wanted the man in black to be truly that. Films tend to present the man in black historically as very talkative, very expressive. CLint eastwood in unforgiven is very quiet. eastwood is married to a native american woman and it seems loveless, he leaves her on the land and that is that. 21:46 good point to harlem nights. Posse was a collage film. yes, big daddy kane was a great father time. and like harlem nights they can't come back. 25:34 yeah, classic. for the black dos western genre, you will find it is preceded by Buck and the preacher and then follwoed by harder they fall IN AMENDMENT In John Wick 4 , Keanu Reeves went against an earlier script and cut out all the talking for John Wick's character, same as Jesse Lee in Posse. As a writer who believes in non verbal communication as well as an attentive challenge. I write characters that don't always fit the audiences expectation in how they speak or act non verbally. So Zenobia's point is a good thing to comprehend in the commercial desire of a film or story. As a reviewer said to a stageplay of mine. IF you go against the commonly accepted cues the audience wants, it will hinder/harm/have some negative aspect to the liking of your work. I think she was right and Zenobia proves it. IN AMENDMENT PART 2 a film outlaw posse has been made, i don't think it is a sequel to posse
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I admit, I am not a fan of slasher films; their stories extremely rarely , I will not say never, hold up for me; and their stories are not meant to. The goal of a slasher film is to get the audience to jump scare as much as possible, and that is fine. Ma from 2019 is a slasher film. It is meant to get you to jump scare. But the best part of the movie is the tiniest bit, and I have thought about it coinciding with my thoughts on fantasy films en large and how they rarely involve the historic usa. The best comparison to visualize my point is taking the flashback scenes in MA 2019 and the character of Rose Rita, played by vanessa anne williams, in A House With a Clock in its walls 2018. In the original book, Rose Rita is white and to be blunt, a tomboy of the purest type, think red haired peppermint patty with sneakers and no sandals. In the film Rose Rita is a colored child of the 1950s USA, one of few non white children, no not the only one, and dresses in the most cutest pink outfits of all the girls in the school. What is my point? I am a fan of the book or the film House with a clock in its walls. But the film has a fantasy 1950s usa. In Ma 2019, the flashbacks of the title character are honest. She is the only black child in the school in the 1960s, and she is having a lonely miserable time. Which is historically accurate. Many people of all phenotypes love to parade the moment the black kids went into the all white schools but few admit that this was a horror for most of the kids. I recall one of them, who is on the schoolboard in new orleans, she voted against integrated schools as an adult, and she is in photo being one of the kids used to force integration in the schools of the same area in the past. So, I like how MA 2019 through the flashbacks shows three layers of negative mental energy. The first layer is historical, pure truth, integration don't work on the ground. It works in laws and works in historical revisions but in historical honesty it is usually a nightmare for the minority individuals involved in it. Now the flashbacks do good to add two more layers. The second is mandatory for the slasher. Ma when a child is the shortest female, the roundest female, the female with the thickest glasses. So, she the only black student in the school and she has all the aspects of the mythological wall flower girl. The third layer completes the psychosis, the lead jock boy in the school has noticed her quiet noticing of him and sets her up for a humiliation, yes Carrie. In Ma's case he invites her to a few hangouts, she even says she goes to parties a lot which shows she is very proud. And after some comfortability invites her to meet him in a closet. A white girl in the school gives her advice on giving blowjobs and Young MA enters the dark closet. She performs fellatio to the boy in the closet she think the head jock, saying some mentally disturbing things like will you talk to me after this, and after she is finished, she exist sthe closet and the jock boy has all the students of the school present to humiliate young MA, asking the boy she didn't know, who is the white male nerd character, how was it? and the nerd boy says, it was great. and young Ma runs off and her mental state is now complete from the films telling. Though I say they missed a trick not showing her come home and be asked by her parents , how was school and telling her to toughen up for this great opportunity, which to me makes the mental breakdown complete, but to each writer their own. In house with a clock on its walls 2018 you wouldn't realize 1950s usa the way it was. In MA 2019 you realize 1960s usa. And I love that, I am tired of producers or writers themselves demanding stories that fit the way they want the populace in the usa to work, instead of how it is, and it was never and is not united. I know the flashback is seven minutes maximum but that is the best part of the movie for me. Why? It takes an honest USA scenario, the most common scenario in the usa historically with integration. That of the black alone amongst many whites , totally isolated, totally frustrated, and trying to find something positive. It adds the common slasher film device of male or female child outcast through her physicality, and the moment of great humiliation which is the cause of all the slashing of course. It doesn't deny the drama while it is true to the history + reality of modern usa. The usa isn't the government or populace under a government people want it to be, the usa is the government or populace under a government that it is. And that should be embraced. Yes in the film, times have changed, group up Ma deals with a set of kids who are in a far more integrated school and who don't seem to have any inclinations for such humiliations. But, the damage is true and can not be fled from, has to be lived through. As for the slashing well, I argue, the scenes of group up Ma enslaving her daughter to a life, the same way ma was enslaved, or the eroticisms of Ma to the jock boy when a man or his son are themselves stunning alongside the slasher violence. But the slashing is nothing beyond what hasn't been shown overall in the slasher film library. But the origin, yes the flashbacks, that is great cinema. I share this video cause it only displays the flashback, what say you? One last thing, like Ready Player One, while young Ma, played by Kyanna Simone Simpson is the shortest or roundest, with thickest glasses in the school, she is still very pretty. Hollywood doesn't still know how to get a female thespian who has a physicality that will make her chosen last usually. To be blunt, yung MA looks like a black daphne from scooby doo which, if you see how many women or girls dress as daphne today well... not exaclty, the most undesired physique. 0:07 your head back to the rock piles tonight 0:09 from when we come 0:11 history a few beers whatever yeah see 0:17 all night 0:21 we'll be fine 0:29 [Applause] 0:30 [Music] 0:45 sorry drinking without help or didn't 0:49 show without oh yeah are you sitting 0:58 down weren't you up dance with every I 1:01 guess I was thinking of you 1:03 uh you're not got a lot of parties oh no 1:09 oh no it's no it's it's fine there's a 1:12 first time for everything 1:13 absolutely I like you're here thanks I 1:21 like yours 1:24 [Music] 1:46 it's your first time isn't it 1:49 do you know you're doing ya gonna get on 1:54 your knees put it in your mouth 2:00 move your head backwards forwards 2:05 believe me and we'll take them hot 2:10 thanks Mercedes 2:15 [Music] 2:22 [Music] 2:33 hello let's I good yeah 3:03 then are you 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nikkei i'm not 3:33 messing with you um they do have cranberry as well as blueberries so cranberry is kind of you know moving 3:39 into the whole you know thanksgiving you know christmas season type of thing blueberry you know 3:46 of course is evergreen so definitely check them out also i do have some tea recommendations 3:52 now some of you all may not live near a harris teeter or the way we do here in the south if you really love something 3:58 you put a s on the end of it targets walmarts 4:04 that means you love it i mean if you don't put an extra s on the end it's just whatever 4:09 right harris teeter or like i like to say has teeters 4:14 has cinnamon spice and then we'll move around my camera yeah cinnamon spice tea 4:21 i'm a too bad person because i'm greedy that i like myself be strong but 4:26 i add once again pumpkin spice 4:31 silk almond creamer so we have a few sponsors tonight we have 4:37 no fresh market please don't get mad at me about shot no harris teeter but they had some tea i like and i may feature 4:43 one teas um that's only so with you all silk almond creamer can be can be sold anywhere and you know 4:50 cinnamon sticks we all know come from the international market because you buy it at a regular version i'm so sorry you 4:55 know you've done yourself a disservice yeah so go to the international market to get that and that's what i'm sipping 5:01 on so what do you have for a snack because you can't talk about movies you can't watch a movie or netflix and chill 5:07 without appropriate snackage so what type of snackage do you have going on over there today so nikkei can't eat 5:15 popcorn because you know i gotta be different i gotta be different you know the kernels get stuck all in my and it's 5:22 painful and i'm bougie anyway so 5:28 y'all i have my pop corners and i don't like the only other extra 5:34 flavor i like besides sea salt is the caramel cover 5:40 once you get into barbecue and that fake um butter not the butter what's the 5:47 other one anyway all the other flavors i just i can't i can't oh you mean the um 5:52 the white cheddar white cheddar isn't good on everything it's not it's not good on every 5:58 no no it's not good at all well i guess both of us are bougie you have those 6:04 i guess both of us are [ __ ] because who eats scones to watch a movie 6:09 you know you know you have to drink my tea with my pinky up is gonna give me an extra bouncer 6:16 listen the other day i went out not ordered oolong tea and that the guy seemed really impressed by it he was 6:22 like i was like would you stop looking at me and bring it 6:27 what's the problem here doesn't everyone order that no 6:33 i don't know what's wrong with the rest of them but they should i don't either we need to bring them up to our standard 6:39 i know i know and maybe it's because i said it right too i don't know but anyway 6:45 today we are talking about 6:52 ma 2019 6:59 leading actress octavia spencer 7:05 and this is a big deal this is a big deal it's a very big deal 7:11 you have um a black leading lady in a horror film 7:18 yes yes yes and she she did the thing she did the 7:24 thing what were your thoughts on this one 7:30 you know it takes a special kind of 7:35 person to go from the help to this 7:42 if you really want to prove that you are a true actress you have to transform yourself 7:48 into something that's unrecognizable now when you look at her physically you know she's lost some weight for you 7:55 know since she did the help and that type of stuff hairstyle change you know wardrobe changing all the stuff that movies do 8:02 but it's that persona that comes out that makes you different the way 8:07 your you know your glare is and your tone and you know the inflection in your voice and your mannerisms 8:15 she did it and i was trying to think of the last time 8:20 that i can remember because i didn't do my research you know i'm here to let you all know that i'm the fluff person on 8:26 the show nick they can't die and do the research so 8:31 i'm like oh my the little sister just shows up and just i'm just like [Laughter] 8:41 so if you watch enough of these you're like well you know what and we really want some deep insight it's don mckay 8:47 and we just want i'm stealing some goofy and i'm out the box like what was that 8:54 nicole is there for that but i was trying to remember and and you probably did your research better than i 8:59 did because y'all know i didn't i didn't do a whole lot of deep diving on this one i did watch it three times 9:06 but dive up because my first of all the fact you watch it three times my head is off 9:12 to you because you know that means i have to leave my house three times because what i'm not going to do 9:17 is watch it in my home and that's for us to have a discussion about that 9:23 on our you know on our media platform that we have you know where we kind of get you know 9:28 this wasn't but 9:35 it wasn't it wasn't well it doesn't give you the phones like it doesn't give you creeps that someone's going to come in your house 9:41 and stab you in your sleep but it really it really makes you think 9:46 about how relationships with people and 9:51 you know and how folks if they if they are psychotic once they 9:58 once they realize they want you dead they just want you dead it's just that's it by my point blank and i don't 10:06 know what is worse to be hunted like that or just be shot randomly because you think 10:12 like that some thought went in to what she did but getting back to the research 10:18 i think the last time uh not the not indeed the last time but 10:24 this kind of took me back to beloved but love it was like that for me you know when it came to how oprah was 10:32 totally different and below if if anybody's seen beloved nothing oprah has ever done did she ever 10:38 look like her even when she did sofia in the color purple so 10:44 even you know and how that even if that movie evolved how just dark and sinister it was you're just like wow when is that 10:51 going to let up that's what i'm looking for when is the sinister part it's like can we get some rainbows some pixie 10:57 blasts it i'm glad you mentioned beloved because 11:03 we got to add that one to our list too because every time i see oprah in something 11:10 i'm like you can act oh my gosh she can act even though i've seen her act before 11:16 i'm still like she can act every year because she because you're she she's 11:22 like a triple threat you know when it comes to what it is that she does and 11:28 that it's the sinister part for me when it came to mom it was like what did you think about it 11:35 um again seeing her come off of roles where she was either the maid or she was doing 11:41 something where she's being sassy or funny or whatever this was a shift 11:48 and it's like you said it's not just that she was 11:54 just being creepy is that she was being calm creepy 12:03 it was that oh hey you want to come to my house and then all of a sudden there was a 12:09 temper and it was like i'm ramping up oh let me pull it back 12:14 i'ma deal with you differently and it was like oh snap 12:21 and there was her just to give you the setting the 12:26 i know the movie was filmed in mississippi and i forget the town that 12:32 it was in i don't think this setting was actually in mississippi 12:37 i forget that the the community that it was in i think they it made this more west 12:43 coast yeah my memory serves right i think this was like nevada or something like that 12:51 where it was supposed to take place but anyway the the town wasn't 12:56 a character as much as [Music] 13:02 the community if that makes sense it was supposed to be a small quaint um not so diverse community 13:10 yeah any town usa you know kind of what kind of what they portray and i hate to not make the 13:16 comparison i'm going to how did it portray um the movies um on 13:23 hallmark to be that you know it's it's it's it's not the script you 13:29 know you know you know it's not like when you look at a skyline oh that's chicago oh right or you know you look at 13:35 the golden gate bridge and say oh that's california it's one of those things where this could happen in any small 13:40 town in any state you know and like i said the main feature is it 13:46 was not a diverse community literally it was octavius spencer and the black 13:53 kid were really the only and 13:59 another black person they were the only black people there 14:04 okay when i say not diverse i mean not diverse okay to set this up right for you 14:13 and so um that that kind of works this way into 14:18 the story even though it's not the major part of the story but 14:23 it gives you the picture of part of the reason why in her youth 14:29 she was the outcast yeah okay um 14:35 and they do little flashbacks between her teen years and then into her adult years 14:42 and they give you the sense that you know times have changed and people are more accepting in 14:48 this you know fast forward 2019 present day 14:54 world but you know but you don't forget right because trauma 15:00 ptsd and ill treatment and and how that that that pressure 15:07 cooker of all that going on right but you know you can't you know you you really you really can't 15:14 mess with certain people because you don't know how it's going to manifest and 15:19 i think that's what you know if i could just fast forward to say to take away from this is is that be 15:26 careful how you treat you be very careful okay you know you think that you treat people 15:32 any kind of way say whatever you want to say do whatever you want to do and then you don't realize 15:37 that karma can be visited upon you in a variety of ways right and it could even 15:44 be visited upon you by the same people that you just you just don't know right you think a person is weak and 15:51 then you then you mess around and find out that they're crazy 15:57 and you know crazy out trumps well what psych is going on yes psychotic out 16:04 trumps whatever level of mean girl you ever thought you had because this person 16:09 is going to kill you bottom line and your whole family and not think about the consequences and 16:15 they're willing to die on that hill so i want to be taken out by the police i want to slip my own rest i want to go to 16:21 jail and sit there for 25 to life i'm going to you know ride the lightning that's what they call the electric chair 16:28 i want to take that needle because at the end of the day i got out of it what i want to get out of it which was 16:34 getting you back and and and can we can we just mention that she worked for 16:41 a vet so she had access to a whole lot of stuff 16:47 and wasn't afraid to use it 16:52 would you know that's interesting so can we say that she treat these people 16:58 like animals ultimately yes 17:10 so and here here's the thing what i notice is in most of the movie rating places 17:17 the movie got low ratings and i think the reason why i got low ratings it was like 5 out of 10 17:23 stars in some places it was two stars and honestly 17:29 it's not a bad movie but it's not a horror movie 17:34 you know like we're talking about it on the psychological and it's more of a psychological thriller 17:41 yeah and i think one of the things that happens is as soon as you put 17:48 a black actor in a prominent role all of a sudden the industry doesn't know what to do 17:54 with the movie because they're more worried about okay is a mainstream audience gonna show up 18:00 to see this because are they gonna go are they gonna go see a black actor this is not typically how we would cast this 18:08 and i think that's that that might be some of what happened with this movie 18:15 i think they they took the risk and labeled it as a horror where it would have been just fine if they simply 18:22 simply labeled it as a psychological ecological builder 18:27 but you know what i i think that when you look at the genre as a whole 18:35 whether it was a black actress or not and i do agree with you what you're saying when it comes specifically to mom 18:41 have you ever noticed that they really do have a difficult time labeling things 18:47 like that you know other movies as well you know they'll call it a horror film but really 18:52 it leans more on the psychological part because i think that people are more comfortable 18:57 with being afraid in the general sense of like i said 19:03 someone coming to coming to my house and killing me in my sleep 19:08 we're trying to you know run me down in the woods and i fall you know 19:15 i put that in hollywood are you watching so um 19:23 i think that they're more comfort people on the surface are more comfortable with that than 19:29 than really getting in the head of somebody that's a lunatic i think that when i think that when you 19:35 look at some of these movies they throw them in the horror genre because they're like you know what you'll sell the tickets people will be 19:41 more comfortable with it because a lot of people don't look at the you know all the information when they see a movie they look at the trailers it 19:48 is the commercials they see on television they look at those little snippets and they run based off that and what they put on television 19:55 is the highlights and that may be the those pieces may be the scariest parts of the movie like the shopkins 20:03 but really the movie is a little bit on a slow uptick because it's building on 20:08 the suspense right right so i think you're right 20:13 that they didn't know how to label it but i also think that for marketing purposes they mislabel a lot of stuff 20:20 period a lot of stuff to me that's kind that's come out within the last five years have 20:26 has leaned more on the psychological thriller end than horror to me like pure 20:31 porn so yeah because i was really frustrated when the way they labeled um 20:39 oh what was it the way they labeled us yeah no not us um 20:47 get out because they labeled that 20:53 i think horror and comedy and i was like why would you label it 20:58 horror and comedy and once they did it i figured out why 21:06 it's kind of the same reason um the way peop independent authors used 21:11 to um categorize their books on am*zon and so 21:16 am*zon tightened up their their stuff yeah yeah you you would find remember obscore 21:23 obscure categories you could put it in to make sure you got something got one 21:28 yeah really the best seller list you know so i was just like uh 21:34 i was like but that's not comedy that this ain't funny the black folks this is 21:39 what scares black folk i'm like i don't know who's laughing it's not black people i mean there's 21:46 been funny parts but no and that's what it was it was the funny the funny parts were with the best 21:52 friend period everything else was creepy scary 21:58 i still can't get out my hand we want to get back to this movie when dude ran up on him at night that 22:04 right there took me clean out the fact i'm still sitting before you is a miracle because i tell you 22:13 it's something about being impatient and if you've ever visited the country or grew up in the country 22:20 to be in an area that's pitch black dark and has something just emerged from the darkness coming dead at you 22:27 and then deviate real quick and yo that right there i'm like okay i'm done you're swinging before it gets to you 22:34 you okay i wasn't ready i'm just telling you i 22:41 wasn't ready so yeah they they did it because they were trying to get us out thinking 22:47 black people not gonna come and see a hurricane even if there's black people in it and if they believe it's gonna be a kiki 22:54 haha and you know and the peels are known for comedy they roll into this stuff 22:59 right you know after the fact so i think they try to like you know like um hits the wagon onto them for that 23:07 but we were writing and we supported and we came out and we watched it so you're right um so when you when you look at 23:14 this when you look at this film you know what are some major 23:20 just takeaways or points that you got out of it outside what you just what you 23:25 just you know recently mentioned you know one of the things that i notice 23:31 is daryl the only other black well the one of 23:38 three black characters in in the movie he was the only one that was like yo 23:45 some don't feel right i don't think we should do this 23:51 and when they got in the house he was like yo ma what's your name 23:57 he was like yo i need some names i need ids let me 24:02 put this address in my gps because if i die if if i get unalived 24:11 i want my mommy and daddy to know where i'm at give me a proper burial because because 24:18 at the end of the day that that i think that's the thing that freaks us out more than anything 24:23 because you know as a brown people in general brown and yellow people we are really 24:29 funny intact we're really funny about that well who's got the body well you know you know they 24:36 are they looking good they look like themselves we were really that's a major pain all of the organs there 24:44 that's a major make sure that they didn't stuff the body with cotton or newspaper or 24:50 anything like that make sure the organs weren't harvested 24:56 we checked for everything because when i look at when i look at big mama guess what i better see her in that box i 25:03 promise you oh i'm flip i'm flipping over everything so that's how we are we need to know but 25:09 then again we also raised and asked questions like that we just don't be going with anybody you know because we 25:16 want to be able to be held accountable or where were you well who are you with how long were you there what did y'all do who else was there let me call her 25:22 mama let me call her daddy what her grandma say why would because you know you're going to get that when what they look like what were 25:29 they wearing okay the whole night are you not paying attention the whole 25:34 night i really knew better than that you can't hang out with me 25:40 are you focusing are these your real friends i ain't never met them who you know who's that you know so yeah yeah 25:47 yeah so he asked all the right questions while everybody else in the group was like 25:52 oh my god it's okay let's just go along with this she's cool you know and he was like 25:58 all right i'm hanging out with y'all because you might ride but i don't feel right about this 26:04 you know so there are little details and i don't know if he like 26:09 improv that i'm guessing he might have but it's like that detail 26:16 all right he's like he's right but it's like 26:22 you know along the lines of of of what you were saying it's like there are levels to this thing and 26:31 you know you can push a person but so far so far you know and and you 26:39 don't know what things a person will hold on to this was 25 26:46 30 years later this woman stayed in that community 26:52 she stayed in that community and still 26:58 was unseen she still was 27:03 under the people knew she was there on the radar but you you think about when she had went 27:10 out for drinks the way she was treated when the guy said hey 27:17 why don't we go out for drinks and then how she was handled 27:23 when she sat down to have drinks with him just how insincere he was in that moment 27:31 it brought everything back for her because it was like you asked me out for drinks 27:39 and then you pull the rug from me again it was high school all over for her 27:45 again and even though she didn't show it in the moment when he 27:51 walked away it was like at that moment she was like all right 27:57 i got one for your ass back to what you said it's like 28:04 you cannot mess with people and always think that 28:09 you got the upper hand on them 28:14 because people will start showing you their true colors and you may not like 28:21 it some people are good for a conversation some people will say all right you got me on that one 28:28 you don't ever have to worry about me again and 28:33 some people will hook you up to an iv that you may not want to be hooked up to 28:44 so yeah you you you got to be very careful it pays to be kind 28:50 is is the ultimate lesson it does and please leave it alone it 28:55 pays to leave people on if if you're not going to be sincere about your deals with them right 29:02 that that's what pays to you know because because you know for you to go through the trouble of mistreating 29:08 someone that's that that's the active role you're taking versus just letting them be 29:13 right it's better to ignore their existence than to attending them in such a way 29:19 and not know how those repercussions gonna fall because at the end of the day she brought the burden on there on the 29:26 seed of these people they're kids you know she ain't come directly for them she 29:33 she she didn't go she she she moved from the bottom to the top you know she was like oh you're gonna hurt your weight i'm 29:38 gonna get you where it hurts and let's real quick talk about even 29:44 generationally what she she did she was like i don't want my daughter 29:50 exposed to it and the levels the extreme that she 29:56 went to to keep her daughter away from it 30:03 you know almost killed her daughter so it's like 30:11 yeah yeah so yeah go ahead 30:18 it and her daughter saw through it but felt powerless to do anything and it 30:23 kind of makes you think all right is her daughter gonna be a repeat 30:31 of her mom girl apple tree let me tell you something still water's running deep and all it is 30:39 and the thing about psychosis is that all it really takes if you are 30:45 genetically predisposed all these all it takes is a series of 30:50 circumstances or one major event to flip that switch yeah 30:56 you know and and that's it people people are gone i i've known a situation 31:03 that that's happened to people in my life not my family but just in a community and you always hear about one 31:09 person that was normal until yep that's always a story they seemed so 31:14 nice this would never this never happened in our neighborhood we didn't normal 31:20 normal until they had that that one pivotal experience 31:25 that took them down a dark path and they never resurfaced in this way again positively 31:32 yeah yeah so on a scale of one to five 31:40 what do you think i'll give it a four i give it a four um 31:46 it wasn't perfect i i did like i did like the way it 31:53 developed and that it didn't make her just some type of barbarian you know because 31:59 sometimes you know when you have killers i i think what makes us connect with them better is when you really believe 32:07 that there's a thought process no matter how crazy it is behind why they do what they do 32:13 right you know so i i like the fact that there was some type of connection as to why she 32:20 sought these people out versus she just woke up one day and said yeah i just want to kill a whole bunch of kids 32:25 you know what i'm saying what was her why the y was really clear and 32:31 i liked the way they connected the y to the now because sometimes movies kind of leave you flat with that you like you 32:37 know you're struggling trying to pull piece of things together you know but this one didn't do that so 32:43 i would give it a four what would you think i think the same um 32:49 and for the same reasons you you know you found a reason to to sympathize 32:56 with with the main character she wasn't she wasn't being random 33:01 um you understood she was actually sick not just violent for no reason 33:09 even though um ma'am they have this thing called therapy go get you some 33:17 but again what once you look at the whole picture 33:22 the environment the setup and just the constant ding ding ding it was 33:30 toxic it was toxic for her it was undercover toxic for her yeah 33:36 like the water droplet on the forehead just non-stop so 33:42 yeah i would give it a four for the same reason it's not a perfect story but it's it's a good story 33:49 i think um in other arenas it was probably unfit unfairly rated and and 33:55 because it was mislabeled as a horror when it's really a thriller 34:01 yeah and i'm gonna be honest with you i think that the fact that she targeted teenagers and a certain kind of teenager 34:09 people never say it but i think that's why i felt flat too if you were to swap it out and the kind of teenager she was 34:16 targeting and if there wasn't some type of racial under and overtones about what was going 34:23 on i think if all parties were this yeah if all parties were the same would have been 34:29 it's it's it's a it's so right it's a racial because because when you think about it 34:35 it makes people feel uncomfortable that their treatment of another race or another gender or 34:42 another group of people can lead itself to those people attacking their children 34:47 that's something that people don't want to they don't they don't want to fathom so 34:54 you know and then and then it kind of points a mirror in their face like okay 34:59 well who in high school yeah or am i growing up or and in my 35:05 community did i treat poorly because they were poor 35:10 or they weren't the same color or they weren't the same um 35:16 you know that has seen sexual preferences you know whatever it was that made me unkind to them 35:24 could something like this be visited upon me because i was ignorant enough to think that i 35:30 could treat someone like that and us moving on and growing up and going our separate ways 35:36 they grew out of it or grew past it right no that's not who i am 35:43 anymore and people think that that somehow that dissolves them no it doesn't you still did what you said 35:52 exactly correct and apologize exactly but people don't do that they're 35:58 feeling like oh you should have gotten over it by now we were just kids it happened so long ago i really didn't mean i didn't know what i was doing 36:04 they're very flipped with it but then they're surprised when people are not as 36:09 flip or cavalier about the fact that's how they were treated so i think that 36:15 that it kind of fell flat because people weren't really willing to acknowledge the fact that they were probably just 36:21 like those people but for different reasons yeah yeah 36:26 yeah so so that is what we have for tonight 36:32 folks we have one movie left in our horror series i don't know where nicole is 36:39 going to go to watch it because she refuses to watch it at her house 36:45 with you i just watched it four times and i'm gonna watch it the fifth time 36:52 i might even watch it six times because i'm taking notes on it i'm taking notes 37:01 i watched the old [ __ ] did i tell you that you did and let me tell you something 37:07 the old one i was a teenager when owen came out 37:14 man and we grew up in the inner city you 37:19 know so my thing is is that that's a special kind of scary for us because because i think that 37:26 if you grew up in a country i don't know if you view came in the same way as anybody grew up 37:33 or or had relatives that lived in the inner city you're just like yeah you know 37:39 is there anybody scarier than the drug dealer is there anybody scarier 37:46 than the gang members it is i have to go find that short story that 37:53 it's based on because look dude spun a serious tale 38:03 he he he told a serious story that he got people so shook and the 38:09 thing is it's loosely based on a real story 38:16 it's inspired by a real story so now i need to see this thing in 38:21 writing so i can put the whole thing together once you get my cogs turning i can't slow down 38:31 so yeah i'm all in well i thank candyman and we'll talk 38:36 about further i think candyman is 38:41 it it kind of reminds me of grimm's fairy tales and the respect that every culture 38:48 has a boogeyman every culture you cannot name a culture that doesn't have 38:53 that one person that whose name we dare not speak 38:58 that one person that every child was taught about to teach them not to lie 39:04 not to steal not to be mean to honor your parents to honor a god or a greater being 39:10 right because this is what happens when you don't um to come in at night to to 39:16 have certain superstitious ways about you every culture has one but what makes 39:21 this extremely worse for those of us that grew up in a city is like as if we need 39:29 one more thing to be afraid of do we need one more thing 39:34 well but the thing about candyman is because of and you see this 39:42 in the first movie because of the way the apartments were built and that's the thing about horror movies in general 39:51 is that there's usually just all you need is a sliver of reality 39:58 exactly and that was enough reality i told you 40:03 about the the story that happened um i think it was in march of this year 40:09 march 2021 about the woman who in new york who felt a draft in her bathroom 40:16 okay wait let's save it for candy man let's save it 40:22 let's save it all right because at the end of the day it's going to connect with that 40:28 and you know and i i want us to kind of bring it all together so 40:33 all right so y'all can look that up on your own because i gave you the date and i gave 40:39 it just a little bit so you all go look that up on your own so you prepped when we come back 40:44 we we can talk about that but yeah we're doing candyman next 40:50 we'll talk about that then all right so we we're gonna wrap up you ready 40:55 we're gonna wrap up and let these people know where they can find us and find more 41:02 of what it is that we have going on okay so you can find me 41:08 right there right right there right there nikkei rights.wordpress.com and i promise i 41:14 spelt my name right i learned how to spell my name in kindergarten all 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