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ProfD Unless there is something in the water and/or soil in the West which doesn't seem to affect everyone, I still contend that freewill here in the US allows people to act or be whatever they choose. There is, many chemicals. Atrazine is but one of them. It's scientifically proven to feminize men and reduce the testosterone rates. Soy is also scientifically proven to lower the testosterone rates in males and soy has been an ingredient in MOST foods for a long time. The issue I have with both masculinized and effeminized images of women and men respectively is that appears to but a bullseye on Black folks. I do not see a proportionate representation of other groups of people when it comes down to those images. Neely Fuller Jr. told you that, and he told you why...lol. Surely, there must be masculinized and effeminized members of other groups of people especially if they're residing in the West. Their absolutely are. Infact, I'd say the rates are naturally HIGHER in other groups than among Black folks....naturally. However the racists are PROMOTING it more among Black people to cause greater confusion. In other words.... Whether it's occurring at a higher rate among us or not, they'll specifically LOOK FOR those of our people who are sexually confused and promote them anyway to make it seem as if it's predominant among us.

ProfD This is not a situation that can be corrected. On an individual basis, it can. Black folks have always clowned each both behind closed doors and publicly. Anybody can get it. Granddad or big momma will spill the bizness at Thanksgiving dinner or a cookout and everyone will laugh. Doesn't matter. An example of how foolish and juvenile so many of our people are and have been for a long time. Why the families are broken. And why the violence rates are so high. "Yall see why we been together so long. It had to be his cooking cuz it SHO' wasn't the sex." Big momma couldn't keep her mouth shut and embarrassed granddad in front of everybody at the family get together and you wonder why he ended up cutting her down with a shotgun 5 days later while balloons and teddy bears pile up on the front porch. He made a decision to break the rules by f8cking a staffer. Somehow, he was f8cked outta the money. That doesn't make sense. Besides the fact that he worked for and earned that money..... 1. Those are what you call "moral clauses" in contracts, which in my opinion should be illegal because we supposedly live in a sexually "free" society and a who a person sleeps with should be THEIR business, not the business of the University. 2. White men constantly do what he was fired for doing. I know you'll say White men can get away with it. However that doesn't mean it's right or that he deserved to lose his job over it even if he should have known better. Knowing racism and how it operates doesn't absolve a person from being human and having human needs and desires. Nah bro...Moore brought this on himself when he decided to break the rules. Full stop. He was a human being. He did what human beings do. It's not righteous to establish rules of perfection then go after CERTAIN human beings for not being perfect. Again, he did what most heterosexual men do. He wasn't the problem...those rules were...and they shouldn't be there. It's a University, not a priesthood. Feel free to define the contextual parameters. That n8gglet was clowned because he was thinking with the wrong head. He did what MOST heterosexual men....who have access...are doing. Again, he wasn't joining the Catholic Priesthood and he didn't take a vow of celibacy. Moore will still have millions of dollars even his wife decides to divorce him. She probably won't...lol. As I said, we don't know what kind of arrangement him and wife probably already had. She probably ALLOWED for him to do that. She'll only leave if she doesn't see any more potential in him and getting a divorce would be a better BUSINESS option. I never indict everyone in the group of their dysfunction. Only those to whom it applies. They know. I know. But those who ARE going after the Somalis are; and using that as an excuse to toss all of them. I'm not the biggest fan of them myself because of how racist they are against AfroAmericans and the rest of Africans in general. Because of their features and hair, they tend to think they are superior to other Black people. However even with this madness....I can't side with the open racists against them and chant "go back home" because I know they'll be saying this to AfroAmericans and we're FROM the United States....lol. It's helpful to understand the context of their beliefs and why they may be in agreement. Trust me, I do. Most of them saying this are stupid (literally....of low intelligence) and that's why. They love Trump because he said something raw and racist and they find THAT ballzy and attractive; which is why a lot of Black folks actually support him even against their own best interests. He could say similar things about other BLACK AMERICANS and these same dumb ass niggaz will be on there eating popcorn with their eyes bucked grinning and clapping over it and celebrating. "Trump be tellin' it like it is! Hey yall...Trump on! Come and watch what Trump said!" Black folks do have the same energy for non-Black folks when they get caught out there. No sympathy for these deportations. How many videos have you seen by Black content creators going after Asians and Latinos with the same energy? Best thing to do is ask them to provide a forwarding address in order to keep in touch LOL Moore's situation isn't a case of white folks taking him down. He set fire to his own house Maybe he started the fire, but they refused to put it out. Instead they waited for him to come outside and arrested him and charged him with arson while letting the house burn...lol. Moore won't be a bum. He'll be free to f8ck more snow bunnies as long as they don't work for the same team. Follow the rules. He should use the money he DOES have to hire himself a good lawyer and: 1. Make them give him his money and 2. Make them give him his job back and 3. Go after certain media publications for defaming him.

They won't. They'll probably become richer; since the System of Racism love to promote White men being with women of color. As long as they don't do what Naomi Osaka...the half Black half Asian....tennis player did; and hook up with a Black man....lol. She hasn't made headlines in years.

Let's hope the Williams sisters don't f8ck their money up in dealing with these white dudes.

Unless there is something in the water and/or soil in the West which doesn't seem to affect everyone, I still contend that freewill here in the US allows people to act or be whatever they choose. The issue I have with both masculinized and effeminized images of women and men respectively is that appears to but a bullseye on Black folks. I do not see a proportionate representation of other groups of people when it comes down to those images. Surely, there must be masculinized and effeminized members of other groups of people especially if they're residing in the West.

This is not a situation that can be corrected. Still, he had rules to follow. Former Michigan head coach Jim Harbaugh got him that job. In part, it was because Moore rode with Harbaugh throughout the University of Michigan cheating scandal. Moore went so far as to get on TV crying and blubbering over Harbaugh getting suspended. Looked like something out of a slave movie. Black folks have always clowned each both behind closed doors and publicly. Anybody can get it. Granddad or big momma will spill the bizness at Thanksgiving dinner or a cookout and everyone will laugh. Doesn't matter. He made a decision to break the rules by f8cking a staffer. Somehow, he was f8cked outta the money. That doesn't make sense. Nah bro...Moore brought this on himself when he decided to break the rules. Full stop. Feel free to define the contextual parameters. That n8gglet was clowned because he was thinking with the wrong head. We have a saying..."don't allow your d8ck to make you a bum". Moore will still have millions of dollars even his wife decides to divorce him. He'll probably land another coaching gig too. Maybe Harbaugh will bring him out to Los Angeles. Moore won't be a bum. He'll be free to f8ck more snow bunnies as long as they don't work for the same team. Follow the rules. I never indict everyone in the group of their dysfunction. Only those to whom it applies. They know. It's helpful to understand the context of their beliefs and why they may be in agreement. Black folks do have the same energy for non-Black folks when they get caught out there. No sympathy for these deportations. IMO, your love for non-FBA Black folks will lead to heightened awareness of and compassion for their plight. Best thing to do is ask them to provide a forwarding address in order to keep in touch. Moore's situation isn't a case of white folks taking him down. He set fire to his own house.

I don't think it's true love. I think it's something far more detrimental to the community...... I think she's using him as a "trophy" fiance/husband. This is far worse for the community.

That's my point. So as we go back to the behavior of some of our women in America and why so many of them are masculine acting compared with Black women from other parts of the planet, there must be some OTHER sort of explanation other than because they are "free" to act that way. Certainly Cynthia Erivo...who is British and of Nigerian descent is behaving in a masculine manner IN the West. But Nigerian women don't act like that in Nigeria.

Now check what she said..... She said she didn't have a BIG problem with it. Which implies that she still does have A problem with it....lol. That's like telling somebody I don't have a BIG problem with the food you cook...lol. I don't have a BIG problem with the way you look....lol. If didn't have a BIG problem with you not inviting me to the bar-b-que last year...lol.

Oh, so THIS was what set you off this morning and got your feathers all ruffled up....lol. I was wondering why it seemed as if you were a little more hostile than usual.

ProfD As I mentioned in the other thread, we should not condone stupidity and irresponsibility. I totally agree. However the correction should be done WITH IN THE FAMILY, not out in public. Only dysfunctional families air their dirty laundry. White folks make the rules. Of course they'll get away with breaking them. Black people have been known to as well, when they help cover each other. Not when you have niggas telling on eachother and laughing as they do it like Stephen from Django "Them two niggaz know eachother! Massa, they trying to play you fo' a FOOL! But we go get 'em though!" We don't have enough power to make the rules. However we DO have enough power and intelligence to USE them to our advantage. And we should. Moore had a positon of power as a head coach of a major college football team. That's it. Nothing else. It was enough power to get him wealth, fame, and the women of his choice. Maybe that's all he wanted, I'm not sure. But he was certainly enjoying and benefiting from what little power he had. Just goes to show he was not intelligent or powerful. I think he was intelligent, or he wouldn't have been able to get to that position in the first place. He just made several foolish decisions. Most intelligent people have made silly and foolish decisions from time to time, often based on emotions. Black folks have always clowned each other for doing dumb sh8t especially when getting caught. And when they clown on each other in public..... That type of behavior was stupid and counter-productive then....as it is today. Again, any criticism from our community on another Black person should be done BEHIND closed doors. Sherrone Moore f8cked up millions of dollars over some snow bunny snatch box Some say he fucked it up. In my opinion he was fucked OUT of the money he legitimately earned. It's not like he gambled it away or smoked it up in crack....it was TAKEN from him by White people. And again.... I'm not saying he didn't have a hand in it nor am I saying he didn't make stupid ass decisions. However let's not pretend that racism didn't have a hand in him losing his job and being headlined like he is. Clowning Moore's poor decision-making off the gridiron isn't about carrying favor with and/or pleasing racists or women. Black men give each other the bizness under certain circumstances. F8cking up a lot of money over women and simping are two such categories that will get a n8gglet clowned. It depends on the context. If he's being clowned in private and amongst other Black men....I agree. But to go on public platforms or on public channels like ESPN and clown on him and laugh at him and claim he got what he deserves and find joy in his humiliation...that goes too far. Either this is being done to please White racists OR too many Black man are just immature and stupid to the point that they don't know any better than to clown on one another in public for the entertainment of their open enemies. Black folks aren't siding with the racists against the Somalis and other scammers. 1. All and even most Somalis aren't scamming. 2. Some Black folks certainly are siding with the racists....openly. They are openly praising Trump's remarks about them being garbage and pieces of shit. As if his views are limited to ONLY Somalis...lol. Some of these niggaz are dumb as hell. They're being clowned for 1) believing they were exceptional and 2) denying their Blackness Well their timing is fucked up....lol. Somalis have BEEN feeling this way about Black folks, so where were they years ago? It's not until Trump starts bashing them than these niggas all of a sudden want to wake up and get on the Somali-Bashing band wagon? It's straight up self-hatred on display. Clowning Moore doesn't help the enemy. His intelligence may be questionable. Again, I think he's an intelligent young brutha but made a series of foolish decisions...little doubt about that. However when White folks take a Black man down...we don't really know how much HIS actions played in the matter and how much racism played.

We live in a land of laws and rules that we agree to follow. If that means nobody is free...I won't debate it.

I truly enjoy chopping it up here with the AALBC crew. Y'all crack me up. Da Bears are playing at home. They will beat the Browns. Just a matter of my lil homie and Bears QB Caleb Williams minimizing mistakes. Da Bears defense has to keep Prime aka Hall of Famer Deion Sanders son Browns QB Shedeur Sanders in check.

ProfD While you're correct in your assessment of his choices AND I have to keep saying that he indeed made some bad and foolish choices, my point is: He wasn't free. We DON'T live in a free society. So he wasn't allowed to exercise or express his sexuality, even with those who voluntarily wanted to with him.

Sounds like you got an INVERTED thermometer system, to me. The lower the temperature....the higher it reads...lol.

They certainly all rate higher than YOU on the "cool" list.

Every *job* comes with rules, regulations and restrictions. Employees have to follow the rules. Show up late to work and there's probably a penalty. Moore was always free to quit his job if that particular snow bunny snatch box was worth more than millions of dollars. Moore could have used his money to buy it from snow bunnies outside his job.

As I mentioned in the other thread, we should not condone stupidity and irresponsibility. White folks make the rules. Of course they'll get away with breaking them. We don't have enough power to make the rules. It's hard to defend oneself when you're in the wrong. Ask Diddy and R. Kelly. Moore had a positon of power as a head coach of a major college football team. That's it. Nothing else. Just goes to show he was not intelligent or powerful. Black folks have always clowned each other for doing dumb sh8t especially when getting caught. Sherrone Moore f8cked up millions of dollars over some snow bunny snatch box. Clowning Moore's poor decision-making off the gridiron isn't about carrying favor with and/or pleasing racists or women. Black men give each other the bizness under certain circumstances. F8cking up a lot of money over women and simping are two such categories that will get a n8gglet clowned. Black folks aren't siding with the racists against the Somalis and other scammers. They're being clowned for 1) believing they were exceptional and 2) denying their Blackness. Again, play stupid games and win stupid prizes to include getting clowned. It's like Showtime at the Apollo. Clowning Moore doesn't help the enemy. His intelligence may be questionable.

@Pioneer1The only valid point you make is how "silly" you sound as you continue to use racism to sanitize stupidity. As a slavishly devoted disciple of Neely Fuller, your ongoing silly rationales about black men are an embarrassment to his name. @ProfDyou're like a breath of fresh air when you respond to the dense cloudiness of pioneer's thinking. Troy should be grateful for the voice of calm and reason you have come to represent on this forum. I might add that I have no big problem when you put me "in check". Hope the BEARS can cope with the weather and beat the BROWNS.

Then he wasn't free. His behavior was restricted/limited.

What about Harry Brown, umbrarchist, and richardmurray? They ain't cool enough for you?

@Pioneer1The only apparent thing about your statement is your incorrigible compulsion to lie and distort. Nothing you claimed is true. Not to mention how far behind the times you are when it comes to Face Book/ Meta regulations. It becomes more and more apparent that lying plays a big role in your debating repetoir. Everything about you is phony and shady.

@Pioneer1How stupid can YOU get? I used the pronoun "you" because I'm directly addressing YOU, while fanning away the brain farts you try to pass off as valid ideas. Like now, in desperation, YOU continue to grasp at straws, unable to stop dreaming that I - care for you. ugh. Soooo, let me make myself perfectly clear, once and for all. I do not like YOU. To know you, is to despise you, which I do. Deflating and disagreeing with all the puke you are so full of, gratifies me, while totally confirming your personality disorders. I'm sure you will reject all this and continue to harbor the idea that, - with cool guys like Troy and ProfD and Delano and Frankster around, this old lady would dote on a dufus clown like YOU. Puleeze. And you will, as usual, seize upon the idea that for someone who doesn't like YOU. I certainly spend a lot of time trying to prove otherwise. blah, blah, blah. (Nope. That's not the case. So shelve that belief.) You epitomize everything that I find obnoxious and it takes a lot of effort for this to penetrate your dense ego. OK, now one more time for the folks he is so eager to impress: I dislike Pioneer. I consider him a repulsive, attention-seeking, LYING, jive-assed nigga. I detest him, and couldn't care less if the feeling is mutual.

Moore didn't commit any crimes. He broke the rules of his contracts both marriage and job. We don't make the rules of the game. Nah bro...that n8gglet is grown azz man. He knew the consequences of his actions. We shouldn't rally around stupidity. Racism plays a small part in Moore's situation but his actions brought it on himself. I doubt we would celebrate n8gglets stealing brand new cars off the lot and joyriding while smoking their fake azz weed. Nobody deserves to be raped. However, I do question those who put themselves in situations that make it likely to happen. Adults making decisions and taking chances while knowing the consequences don't deserve empathy or sympathy when that sh8t goes sideways.

Troy How many guys are we talking about Pioneer, five, a dozen? To break it down..... The Black men I know and have known who got into relationships with foreign women and lived happier lives....based on what they've said AND what I've seen...are DOZENS. The Black men who actually took on the responsibility of raising children who are not even theirs along with these foreign women...are LESS than a dozen. The problem with your reasoning here is that this is just your personal experience, anecdotes. It’s not data. It's not a problem UNLESS we're doing scientific research. If we're just talking and having a discussion about an issue, why shouldn't personal experiences and anecdotes NOT count? I know you have very little way of verifying the truth of it one way or the other, however YOU are a Black man who've known other Black men. Are you saying you don't know of ANY Black men who's personal experiences align with the ones I've just related? ProfD Enjoy those African women as long as any cultural differences do not present hurdles. Many of those cultural differences are part of the fun. To be real... I'm not in relationships with most of these women. Infact, for many of them were are just acquaintances. But I enjoy their company regardless of the level of contact I experience with them. And truth be told, MOST Black American men love interacting with African women when they actually do. I see this happen on a routine basis. They'll talk shit all day long about them but as soon as a woman from Angola or Ethiopia smile at them and ask them for something...the nigga starts glowing and cheesing and the next thing I know he's following her around or somewhere leaning on a box with his leg propped up talking shit to her grinning...lol. Many African women use a ton of make-up and foundation to lighten themselves to appear less dark and look more European. This is true. And it often looks disgusting on them because of the discolorations caused by it. Many of them have dark rings around their eyes and mouths or discolored necks because of this. But it's not too much worse than AfroAmerican women who may not use skin bleaching anymore but not only straighten their hair but BLONDE is the new fashion among so many of our sistaz today. I saw a picture of Puffy's mother and she has her hair (or somebody's hair...lol) blonde and long almost all the way to the ground.