Black Individualism 10/23/2025

As I am a known Communalist through my various multilogs in AALBC, it is clear I prefer strong community over strong individuals. Not everybody is going to be strong all the time. But, sharing strength can help the whole group survive storms no individual can handle alone.

... but having said that, the heritage of the Black populace in the usa and the european colonies that preceded it is Nonviolent Individualism. No DOSers from the USA are not like DOSers from Haiti whose heritage is militant communalism. 

I don't care for nonviolent individualism but I comprehend it is the true heritage of black people in the usa led by DOSers, who are the largest percentage of black people in the usa. 

Take out the First Peoples of the USA who have their own specific issues with this place, everyone else in the usa never had to deal with enslavement or jim crow to the extent of black people. Not white jews not chinese, not mexicans. All three were abused? yes, 100% but while abused never enslaved, never at the full cruelty of jim crow. So black people in assessing ourselves, must embrace our unique situation first. 

Black Individualism has limits helping the group but allows black individuals a flexibility which can be useful. 

 

 

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@KENNETH if you want the honey and not the pot, just scroll to my conclusion

 

On 10/21/2025 at 4:52 PM, KENNETH said:

There are Black majority cities in America like Atlanta, Detroit, Baltimore, and even Jackson Mississippi. What if Black politicians at the municipal level began working with wealthy black entrepreneurs to develop and diversity local economies especially disadvantaged neighborhoods ? Think about it.

Idealistically it is a positive thing. But let me use NYC to explain my counter point.

Is NYC a black city? no

Is NYC a white city? yes

does NYC have more disadvantaged communities than any other city in the USA? yes

does NYC have disadvantaged white communities? yes, more than any other city in the USA? yes

Why can't NYC's white elected officials align with white businesses to aid white communities that are disadvantaged? 

Because the cost is very high. Aiding the poor is not financially cheap. 

 

How does NYC get money every year? the mayor of NYC whomever they are goes to Albany and begs. The federal governments welfare money to states are more vital to every state in the union, including california. But the federal government gives its money to states, not cities, ala when atlanta/detroit/new orleans are any town/village/city that was or is black wants money... they have to beg a white states, thus...

 

What is my point?  overall it is very expensive to finance poverty. It requires losing a fortune. Black people with money, correctly, are the least interested in losing money. Remember, the fiscal wealthy Black populace don't come from Indian Killers or Enslavers, they come from enslaved black folk like fiscally poor black people. They are not interested in losing their money. And yes, you have to give up your fortune to improve disadvantaged neighborhoods. Remember andrew carnegie of new york, he gave up his fortune and built many of the libraries that are all over the world, but that wasn't cheap. He needed every penny. 

Remember in the late eighteen hundreds, circa 1865, the black populace of the usa was denser than ever after, and that is why white people in black states/louisiana/mississippi/south carolina or white people in white states everywhere else, cut open pregnant black women. State power matters in the usa.

 

On 10/21/2025 at 4:52 PM, KENNETH said:

What if we pooled public and private resources to replicate what Geoffrey Canada did with the Harlem Children's Zone in New York City ?  After all a good start early in life in a livable environment comes before any kind of academic achievement or entrepreneurial success. Right?  

HArlem Children Zone and the larger field of charter schools had support from the government of NYC and NY state. Remember, most charter schools didn't have to build new buildings, the government allowed most to use buildings they did not buy for repurpose or use public school buildings spaces. That is a financial advantege brought by the government. Second , across all phenotypes most children in NYC, black/non black/ male/female go to public schools. The charter school movement was never about the mass education of any group of children. It was about making another layer for parents who wanted their kids to go to a school like styvesant or bronx science but the seats are filled, so charter schools became a second tier. But remmeber one thing, when a child fails in a charter school, you know where they go... public school. So Canada, whom I ... Canada has said many things but I know the truth. His movement was about a particular sections of parents having their own zone. 

Now why does this matter? what your talking about isn't about helping a section of the disadvantaged but you want to help a whole disadvantaged community, you have to find actions that actually help a whole disadvantaged community. In the USA those are not easy to find.

 

On 10/21/2025 at 4:52 PM, KENNETH said:

Secondly, what if black business people and politicians formed public/private partnerships to seek out new sources of investment like Chinese, Middle Eastern, and West African ? 

This like your first is idealistically correct. The problem is, unlike the USA who spent most of the  nineteen hundreds revitalizing completely war torn  or fiscally mired countries[japan/england/france/germany/spain/portugal /italy/korea/china/mexico /canada ] to gain their allegiance against the soviet union , losing the financial advantage the usa had over all of them. Said countries are not interested in any fiscal deal that will not return something of equal value. Sequentially, the Black DOS populace or even the larger black populace in the usa don't have mineral access, don't have aquaspheres, don't have anything physical to trade with. China gives money throughout afirca/south america/south east asia for minerals/resources. West Africans wealthy pay for high end european goods. DOSers don't have any luxury brand businesses. The Middle Easterners sometimes give for long shots or long term investments, but a welfare line around the world exist to them. As I type this comment, people from every community in humanity are in saudi arabia, qatar , or united arab emirates begging for the oil barons to give them money. 

I think some DOSers plans may reach them but many want their money. 

On 10/21/2025 at 4:52 PM, KENNETH said:

Third, maybe we need real democracy in black politics which means independent thought and action that challenges the Black Democratic Leadership Establishment. I'm not saying move to the Republican Right. But demand more from our so called leaders. If you can't provide viable solutions to problems like crime, violence, poverty, academic failure, and the racial wealth gap then you get voted out. 

Another Ideal. positive. But I have a little history with this topic in the forum here.

You say demand more from so called  leaders, being a poor leader, one who doesn't get positive results, doesn't mean your not a leader.

But then you want leaders to provide viable solutions. 

Here is the issue. In the usa no system exist for any voter to demand anything from any elected officials. That is the difference between a parliamentary system and the statian system. In the usa's entire history voting is a gamble. The gamble is, if I vote for you, will want to stay in the position so you will do for the voter, the trick is, I am guaranteeing you a set of time, even if you do nothing for the voter. So, there is no way to demand anything in the usa system. White people don't demand votes. Poor whites don't demand votes. Rich white people buy votes, that isn't even demanding, that is paying for a service. Which black people don't have the money to do. 

The problem with providing a viable solution is a strategy can only be considered a solution after implementation. No matter how intricate or well spoke a plan, no plan is worth anything until it is implemented. 

So, I comprehend what your asking, but the legal system in the usa doesn't allow for either. 

 

A little history:) of me and one of my solutions,a  black party of governance.

 

The Black community in the USA need an alternative to Black officials from the Party of Andrew Jackson or Abraham Lincoln 2022
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/9211-the-black-community-in-the-usa-need-an-alternative-to-black-officials-from-the-party-of-andrew-jackson-or-abraham-lincoln/
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On 10/21/2025 at 4:52 PM, KENNETH said:

So what's keeping us from doing these things ? 

 

1. We don't live together and aren't forced to work and strive together inspite of our class, political, or status differences the way Jim Crow and DeFacto residential segregation forced us too. 

 

2. Middle and upper income blacks have their own priorities even among individuals that differ from poor and workingclass  blacks. Race, blackness, and struggling against racism don't matter as much anymore or in the same way to all black people. 

 

3. Black business and professional people aren't necessarily always concerned with advancing black people collectively. Elected officials and political insiders often benefit themselves and their cronies. And the Black Capitalist is no different from the white one if he's a major player. The Black Capitalist is about maximizing profit. They only help other blacks if there's money to be made.

 

To 1 , Your correct black people don't live as close together as in the late 1800s , but the reason why isn't self inflicted, remember when you were a kid and they showed black people hanging in jim crow, that wasn't a joke. Black elders to their forever dishonor don't like to admit the reason black people left the south was fear based on white terrorism. It is that simple. And like today, even back then, many black people, DOSers in particular, are unwilling to accept violent action. Jim Crow's purpose was not merely to harm black people but to make our communities suffer at the hands of whites so we would break up. whites succeeded, it is not easy undoing that damage.

 

To 2 + 3 In defense they never have, even in the late 1800s there were black tribes nonviolently fighting each other. And remember when the usa was founded most free blacks fought against, so... the most free, most financially wealthy blacks have always been split in themselves and at some level to the larger populace of black people. I argue the problem today is the nonviolent, self determination mantra black people preached to black people has succeeded, the problem is, it isn't enough to reach certain levels of growth as a populace. Black individualism made the modern usa. Black financial wealth has grown in the usa despite historical financial disadvantages strictly to black people , persistent  governmental limits specifically to blacks . That is black individuals fighting. BUT, individualism has limits. I will even be nice and say, the Black people like frederick douglass in the past, hoped, dreamed, that Blac Individualism would carry black people to a day when the greater USA embraced individualism the same way. the two problems are, most whites still enjoy and desire the power one can have access to with communal strength over other communities. And most non Black people of color came late to the party so to speak, so they carry a communal nature from the countries they come from and thus it will take their bloodlines more time to reach the individualism that exist in the white anglo saxon protestant slavemaster/black descendend of enslaved/first peoples commonly called the native american.

 

IN CONCLUSION

To municipal power, the quickest idea is to get the fiscally wealthy black to support a campaign of breaking up the states in the union. why? no matter what any city in the usa does, if the state government to the state it is in wants to stall or stop, they can and that is that. 

I rephrase, if you get a willing black city, and willing black fiscal entrepreneurs, a white state government can use its power to hold up anything in the courts. So, your first idea needs state power. Get the wealthy behind that. 

 

To private public pooling, great idea but you need to have a specific goal that actually helps a wide swath of black people. At the end of the day, many of the initiatives that helped black people in the usa from 1865 to today, didn't help a wide array, they helped black people in specific places or with specific means or specific scenarios. When the usa gave native american land to white settlers, the condition of the white settler didn't matter. Find a specific thing that can help across the board of black people. 

 

To the money outside the USA, the most common invester will want to see an automatic return of wealth or near term wealth growth. You have to find something that the Black populace in the USA has that can do that. Keep looking you will find it. 

 

The best strategy to increase the rate of results in the usa system that maintains the philosophical line of black voters is to emphasize parliamentarianism. Most Black people in the usa are :not radical enough, not anti usa enough, not anti white enough, too pro individual, to accept a Black party of governance. But parliamentarianism is the best solution for your desire to get better results. Make it where the time of voting isn't enough. The reason why both major parties of governance in the usa are filled with do nothings is because the only time of consequence is the voting time. Not the time in office. Make the time in office consequence and it will change the rate of results. You will have opposition but I think it is doable. 

 

When you assess the black populace in the usa , never forget, that our timeline isn't whites. Black people were enslaved before during and after independence. 

IF you look at the usa from a important moments for Black people, 1492 to 1865 is one whole era of enslavement. White people have the french-indian war and independence and war of 1812  but from 1492 to 1865 remember, over 95% of black people in the usa are completely enslaved. Over 95% of black people in the usa from 1492 to 1865 were born, lived and died enslaved. No, house in martha's vineyard, no lincoln hat, no wage, no sailor on a whaling ship. I know you know black history. But one of the problems with black history throughout humanity is the timelines for non blacks we black people consider speaking of ourselves. 

That means 95% of black people were enslaved for almost 400 years. And what came after the period of enslavement from 1492 to 1865 in Black Statian history? the period of Jim Crow. Now what is Jim Crow? Most will say Jim Crow is segregation, but that isn't true. Segregation is the white view of Jim Crow. The Black view is how long it took for black people to nonviolently integrate with the white populace in the usa. 

Jim crow is from 1865 to 1980. It took over a hundred years for Black people to nonviolently integrate with whites. Why? that was the black plan. When 1865 hit, a bunch of black church elders made a vote on what to do, cause whites were already killing black people after the war between the states for revenge or to take land or to force to sharecrop or to scare us into fleeing. So black churches new. Black churches, voted on the side of nonviolence. [I am working on finding the names of who voted] Remember at 1865 Black churches were the undisputed black leadership in the usa with a totally devoted populace. And what did black people do while whites guted pregnant black women/made up laws to place black men in prison for life to rebuild the south/placed black children in electric chairs/had black people fight in the spanish american war+world war one + world two all awhile no black person could open a bank account, use the bathroom, use the bus , own land, in 99% of places in the usa/black communities in the cities north and west were completely defunded by white governments/law enforcement agencies throughout the usa made money off of peddling drugs to black people sometimes by force while also making money by putting us in jail for the drugs they dumped into our communities .. black people nonviolently and individually suffered the blows embraced all the insults and pains and inequalities and never hurt white people while kept trying to be part of the systems they didn't want us to. With the help of the soviets, some mistakes in administration by whites, by 1980 Jim Crow was officially a little old man. Not dead, but no longer a major factor in the lives of most black people which is how he started in 1865 with what whites call the nadir of american race relations.  Remember Alice was in the 1970s. 

Now we are in the integration era. Black people collectively or individually  survived enslavement from 1492 to 1865 gaining no money no wealth losing many traditions by whip by shackle. Black people's collectives were shattered by Jim Crow from 1865 to 1980 but Blac individualism was able to thrive. Now from 1980 to 2025 and the near term, black people have to catch up to whites who have from 1492 to 1980 a near five hundred year head start on being statian absent any of the financial advantages of stolen land from other human beings or enslavement of other human beings and we have to compete with immigrant populaces including some that are black  who are smaller in populace, for example ethiopian americans are 380,000 people far less than the forty million DOSers,  so easier to move in fiscal capitalism allowed to pronounce and embrace the cultures they came with whereas DOSers were not allowed in enslavement of jim crow to cherish our cultures publicly. So... yes Black people in the usa today have a high level of individualism, but it isn't for nothing. It is unwarranted. Slavery nor Jim Crow were a joke, and we didn't do it to ourselves, and four hundred years is not going to be undone in forty sorry. Anyone black tell you that is a liar. When you see a nigerian/chinese/white jew say Blacks don't know how to do this or that. Remind them that, Nigerians ancestors were not in the slave boats, nigerians ancestors didn't have to deal with enslavement from 1492 to 1865 nor jim crow from 1865 to 1980. There wasn't a day in british west africa where 95% of Black people were told they couldn't have their culture. Where they had to live chained up. Chinese and white jews were starting businesses from 1492 to 1980 in the usa, in places black people were not allowed or could not. 

Yes, Black Individualism is high, that is how Black DOSers survived nonviolently. Give ourselves a hand. It wasn't easy.