Black Men: Do We Deserve Our Treatment By Other Non-Whites?

[Pioneer1]

As much as I complain about Black men not getting the respect and love (things that Neely Fuller Jr. said you should never "ask" for) as I THINK we should get from other races, a situation happened Friday that reminded me of one of the reasons we don't and also makes we wonder if how other non-White peoples treat us and see us is somewhat justified to a certain extent.

During lunch time a Haitian woman from the administrative department who talks with me and other Black Americans a lot came to the cafeteria crying with her eyes all red and puffy, visibly upset, and didn't waste any time telling us about some White dude who is a manager in the her department who kept sending her pictures of his dick on her phone and into her email and is now threatening to go to her facebook page and post it if she doesn't give him some action.
He is also threatening to tell her boyfriend (who is Haitian) that they have a sexual relationship with eachother....if she doesn't give him some action.
My female friend told me this was going on for months but it was just a little gossip she mentioned here and there, but when we saw her today it was out in the open!

We told her to tell HR and she said she was afraid to do so because she said they probably wouldn't believe her.
This isn't the first case btw, there have been nearly a dozen cases of White men harassing Black women that I KNOW of who they don't go to HR about it.

The more she cried, the angrier I got and I almost started yelling at her that she should atleast try or maybe even go to law enforcment or something.
The other brutha at our table just listened but didn't have much to say about it, the sista kept trying to calm her down and when she left she got on me for being "insensitive" about the situation.

She really pulled my coat on this and pretty much told me that I was more interested in harming the White dude than I was in making sure the Haitian woman was safe and could keep her job and THAT was the problem.
I had to shut up and agree with her and then it made me think.

Then I was remined of something Neely Fuller Jr. told a caller a few years ago who called in complaining about why African immigrants don't talk to and communicate more with Black Americans.  Questions I had also  so I thought they were legitimate.

And almost verbatim Mr. Fuller said in that deep strong voice,
"Talk to us about WHAT?
What do THEY have to talk with US about?
They came here for jobs and opportunity, not a bunch of talk.
I mean...can WE offer them what the White people who brought them here offer them? 
Now THAT'S something to talk about.....if you want to have a conversation.
Otherwise....there's nothing to talk about.
What will an African immigrant or any OTHER immigrant get from talking with some random Black person on the street....besides....maybe chased DOWN the street if he stops and talks to the WRONG Black person."


I had to laugh and laugh and laugh at that response and I STILL think about it from time to time obviously, because as sad as it was...he was on point and it helps me make a lot of sense out of how other people see us and treat us and WHY.

As Black men...especially Black American men....what jobs or benefits do we have to offer these immigrants and other non-White peoples that they should side with US over White people?
We're BOTH working at jobs owned by Whites.

Many people still IN Africa, Asian, and Latin America are working at jobs owned by Whites.
Many of them are sending money home and helping to support their families from jobs owned by White folks, can I beat that and offer them BETTER help?

What housing do I have for them or even myself?
 

What hospital do I have for them to take their children to when they get sick?

I didn't even bring them into this country they are enjoying NOR do I have the power to keep them here if White folks decided to deport them.

Do I even have a right to complain about them choosing to side with and support White people and ignore us?
 

[ProfD]

@Pioneer1, it reads like you got slapped in the face with a strong lesson in why AfroAmericans should not be putting on the cape for non-FBA folks.

 

Non-FBA folks do not see racism white supremacy in the same way that we do.

 

Non-FBA folks were indoctrinated to white supremacy differently in their home countries. It's been passed down through their culture. 

 

AfroAmericans paved a way for non-FBA folks to immigrate to the US. But, we have nothing to offer them in terms of opportunities.

 

H8ll, the AfroAmerican infrastructure is not even under construction. Still got work to do amongst ourselves. 

 

In addition to culture, therein lies another reason that non-FBA women do not appear to be easily accessible to AfroAmerican men.

 

Beyond any physical attraction, it comes back around to what can AfroAmerican men do for non-FBA women or any woman to insure their protection and security. 

 

It's interesting that you received that dose of reality in light of the dialog we've been having around here.

[Pioneer1]

I've being getting these "doses" for a while here and there, lol.

 

Like I've said many times before, I work around a lot of Africans.
After I got let go from my old job for not getting the vaccine and I found this new one a few years ago, more and more AfroAmericans on the job have been getting replaced by Africans.

 

When I first got to that job, it was about 50/50.
But gradually the Africans began to replace the FBA and on that same tip...the Latinos began to replace the White population.
Except for the office/administrative areas where the Whites still dominate.

Now where most of the employees work, of the entire Black population.....it's about 75% African, 10% West Indian, and 15% Black American.
 

That Haitian sista I referred to was a pretty "down" and conscious young lady, and very fine to!

She was born in Haiti but raised on the Eastcoast and Midwest and  thinks more inline with FBA than with Caribbeans born and raised on the island who migrate here.

Infact, like I said we have quite a few Haitians and Jamaicans at my job.
Of the THOUSANDS of people who work at the actual facility, they are obviously a minority...but enough of them for a conscious brutha like ME to take notice of them, lol.
 

But as far as not being able to protect the women....
An Arab or Indian girl told me that one time when I was in my early 20s.
Even THEN I was conscious of how Black men were treated by these other groups, so I asked one and she said that if she were to get involved with a "Black guy" her father and family would disown her and may even try to hurt her and how many "Black guys" would be able to take care of her or provide for her if she's put out of her house?
And what if she get's pregnant, what are the chances of him sticking around to take care of her and raise the child?
And if the men in her family try to hurt her, could she rely on him for protection or would he tell her to call the police and then hang up the phone and go to bed?
She said all of that (and more...but I forgot) and it really brought home to me the situation a lot of these women are in and how they can't afford to literally go "fucking around".

That was back in the 90s, but I still remember it.
 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I've being getting these "doses" for a while here and there, lol.

You know better just stubborn.

 

Across the board, AfroAmericans are being replaced in the workforce by non-FBA folks.

 

Same thing applies to voting. The white supremacists are trying to weaken the AfroAmerican block. 

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

That Haitian sista I referred to was a pretty "down" and conscious young lady, and very fine to!

Don't fall for the trick. She'll always side with her culture when the rubber meets the road.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

But as far as not being able to protect the women...they can't afford to literally go "fucking around".

Facts. There's a cultural program at work. A code that's hard to break. An outside man has to well-built.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

Well, I'm under no illusion that the Haitian sista is going to try to do what she can to keep her job.
I don't expect her to start wearing an Afro to work with a Black Power Fist comb stuck in it and start cussing out White folks to prove how "down" she is...lol.

The fact is, I often wonder what kind of relationship DID she have with that White manager that maybe I wasn't aware of?
She has her phone number to be texting her and all, but I didn't get into that.


The sista (FBA) at the table also told me that I she wonders if I'm not making the situation with some of these women WORSE by adding more stress to their situation.
 

I asked her, how so?

Because I basically say the same thing to Africans OFF-LINE as I talk about online, including on this site.
I get on them about how in love they are with White people, and how racist a lot of the White folks are and what they did to Black women during slavery etc....
 

She said some of them are already stressed out because White folks often "sneak" disrespect them and give them a hard time and harass the women knowing they can't or won't tell.
Then they have a brutha like ME on their head "lambasting" (her word..lol) them and "raking them over the coals"  (her words again...lol),  accusing them of being in bed with White men and sucking them off in the back offices....lol.
 

She said that a couple months ago...one African dude pointed at me and told her that when I get through talking to them, some of them Africans feel like getting on a plane and heading back home....
 

OH NOOOOO...LMBAO!!!!!

That's not my intention....lol.

I'm not trying to be rude, but I make my points CLEAR and UNDERSTOOD.
There is NO DOUBT as to where I'm coming from and even people who can barely speak English know it, lol.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

The fact is, I often wonder what kind of relationship DID she have with that White manager that maybe I wasn't aware of?

Right. He might be holding an Ace of Spades. You don't know.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Because I basically say the same thing to Africans OFF-LINE as I talk about online, including on this site.
I get on them about how in love they are with White people, and how racist a lot of the White folks are and what they did to Black women during slavery etc....

An exercise in futility. They're never going to see racism white supremacy through your prism.

 

I have similar conversations with the Africans in my family. They're educated (doctors) and still don't get it. 

 

Why?

 

Because in their minds, life in America is 100 times better than their home countries.

 

Again, non-FBA folks have already been indoctrinated into believing the white man's ice is colder.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

She said that a couple months ago...one African dude pointed at me and told her that when I get through talking to them, some of them Africans feel like getting on a plane and heading back home....

They probably consider you a troublemaker. Trust and believe...they're not going anywhere.

 

In fact, those non-FBA folks might be trying to figure out how to get your Black azz fired so they can slide a friend or family member in your spot. Be careful.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'm not trying to be rude, but I make my points CLEAR and UNDERSTOOD.

There is NO DOUBT as to where I'm coming from and even people who can barely speak English know it, lol.

My brotha do not cut off your nose just to spite your face in putting on the cape for them.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

Trust me, I do enough smiling and grinning at White folks....along with my performance...to keep my job.

I mean, you never know WHY you may get fired.
However, I try to stay in good with the people I NEED to stay in with...and that includes mostly White folks.

I'll tell you who really don't like it.
Many of the LATINOS.

Many of them, especially in lower management...don't like how I SEEM to get along so well with White folks in UPPER management.
They see me talking to them and laughing and sharing a joke with them from time to time...something most Latinos on our level NEVER do and few in mid-management do.

Because I'm American and middle aged, I share a lot of the culture and perspectives of a lot of the older White men and women in upper management so I can relate to them on that level and many of the Latinos HATE the fact that they can't do it because of cultural differences.

I also bash the Democrats and say LESS negative things about Trump than I do about Harris while making it clear that I don't trust either one, that helps too...lol.

 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'll tell you who really don't like it.
Many of the LATINOS.

 

Many of them, especially in lower management...don't like how I SEEM to get along so well with White folks in UPPER management.

They see me talking to them and laughing and sharing a joke with them from time to time...something most Latinos on our level NEVER do and few in mid-management do

 

....I can relate to them on that level and many of the Latinos HATE the fact that they can't do it because of cultural differences.

Sure. The Latinos haven't mastered the communication skills or cojones to deal with white folks directly. However, that won't stop them from trying  to undermine a Black person.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I also bash the Democrats and say LESS negative things about Trump than I do about Harris while making it clear that I don't trust either one, that helps too...lol.

You're working overtime.

[Pioneer1]

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

Sure. The Latinos haven't mastered the communication skills or cojones to deal with white folks directly. However, that won't stop them from trying  to undermine a Black person.

 

You're working overtime.

I'm trying to make sure I KEEP working.

Like the Honorable Marcus Garvey and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught, I REALLY should have my own business, however it's a bit easier to punch in and work for others at the moment.
I have to deal with some of the consequences that often come WITH that.

Reminds me of that old Ice Cube song "A Bird In The Hand".

"...punch the clock like a slave and be half a man
...cuz whitey says there's no room for the African"

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Reminds me of that old Ice Cube song "A Bird In The Hand".

"...punch the clock like a slave and be half a man
...cuz whitey says there's no room for the African"

Yessir.  The beat is fire with that BB King sample in it.

[Pioneer1]

When that Ice Cube song comes on, old school cats usually automatically think of one of the "boyz in the hood" pulling out that 12 guage on Tre while he was walking across the street with some bar-b-que in his hand.