frankster Posted June 12 Report Posted June 12 5 hours ago, ProfD said: it becomes a waste of time and money when nothing is produced. That how science works....it is often learning for the sake of learning One thing it is never is wasted 5 hours ago, ProfD said: A spacecraft doesn't require parameters and characteristics within a specific scope. Either it is seen or unseen. Wow... if that were the case then all the eyewitness reports paintings carving effigies and writtings would have suffice Science demands more than just eyewitness reports 5 hours ago, ProfD said: I'm not referring to the telescopes that any amateur scientist or astronomer can buy. I know.. 5 hours ago, ProfD said: A high-powered telescope provides more than enough to the many sets of eyes sitting in an observation station. As a group they are telescopes looking for extraterrestrial life and the are specifically focus to that end ....they are call SETI The Methodology they are using is more focus on long distance searching way out among the stars...not necessarily near earth or in earth atmosphere. 5 hours ago, ProfD said: Everything the telescope *sees* is being recorded too. Yes....but a blip is only a blip when something crosses in front of the lens of a telescope that is focus on radio background of a star light yrs away. 5 hours ago, ProfD said: Humans have vivid imaginations. Children draw things they have never seen and/or heard about in their lives. Sure....they also draw things they have seen 5 hours ago, ProfD said: Just like politicians convince poor people that money is better spent on everything other than essentials for their survival. This maybe essential for our survival....it is science 5 hours ago, ProfD said: I'm fairly certain that if UAP/UFO/ET exist, they would have zero interest in making life better for humans. I personally have no idea what their interest are...But have read of others who say they have some idea. It is good that you are fairly certain about that... I know what my interest are...
ProfD Posted June 12 Author Report Posted June 12 9 hours ago, frankster said: That how science works....it is often learning for the sake of learning One thing it is never is wasted The study of UAP/UFO/ET is not a real science. 9 hours ago, frankster said: Wow... if that were the case then all the eyewitness reports paintings carving effigies and writtings would have suffice Science demands more than just eyewitness reports Belief in strange phenomena requires real proof and evidence. An eyewitness account is often considered the weakest form of evidence. 9 hours ago, frankster said: As a group they are telescopes looking for extraterrestrial life and the are specifically focus to that end ....they are call SETI The Methodology they are using is more focus on long distance searching way out among the stars...not necessarily near earth or in earth atmosphere. C'mon bro. SETI is looking for anything strange that comes across their screens. Ridiculous to believe it is calibrated to overlook any objects moving through space. 9 hours ago, frankster said: Yes....but a blip is only a blip when something crosses in front of the lens of a telescope that is focus on radio background of a star light yrs away. They have the ability to slow down and enlarge images. Especially considering the detailed pictures being taken of objects very far away. 9 hours ago, frankster said: This maybe essential for our survival....it is science Nah mayne. Research and study of things that do not exist isn't a science that's essential to human existence. It does generate a lot of money though. Humans already have everything we need to survive here on Earth. it's just a matter of us utilizing those resources correctly. 9 hours ago, frankster said: I personally have no idea what their interest are...But have read of others who say they have some idea. It is good that you are fairly certain about that... I know what my interest are... The blessing and curse of being human is that we get to let our imaginations run wild and get into all types of sh8t whether it's real or make believe.
frankster Posted June 12 Report Posted June 12 8 hours ago, ProfD said: The study of UAP/UFO/ET is not a real science. Science is being applied to the phenomena of UFO 8 hours ago, ProfD said: Belief in strange phenomena requires real proof and evidence. An eyewitness account is often considered the weakest form of evidence. Thanks....that why scientific rigor is needed. 8 hours ago, ProfD said: C'mon bro. SETI is looking for anything strange that comes across their screens. Ridiculous to believe it is calibrated to overlook any objects moving through space. SETI is set up to scan space in search of communications between among or from other civilizations in space.... Not to detect UFO crafts/vehicles in outer space near orbit or in earth atmosphere.. 8 hours ago, ProfD said: They have the ability to slow down and enlarge images. Especially considering the detailed pictures being taken of objects very far away. The three reasons i remember being given was... Too near Too small Too fast hence refucus and recalibration was recommended 8 hours ago, ProfD said: Nah mayne. Research and study of things that do not exist isn't a science that's essential to human existence. It does generate a lot of money though. Most scientific study was deemed non essential... Science is study for the sake of study....the quest is to know or find out - Knowledge aquisition....to describe explain understand repeat and predict. 8 hours ago, ProfD said: Humans already have everything we need to survive here on Earth. it's just a matter of us utilizing those resources correctly. Yeah...That is good enough for you. Earth is in Space.....Some of us want to be able to utilize space if and when necessary 8 hours ago, ProfD said: The blessing and curse of being human is that we get to let our imaginations run wild and get into all types of sh8t whether it's real or make believe. It is a blessing....the curse is not exploring what the imagination says and sees - envision
ProfD Posted June 12 Author Report Posted June 12 2 hours ago, frankster said: Science is being applied to the phenomena of UFO Thanks....that why scientific rigor is needed. How will studying UAP/UFO/ET phenomena add to the survival of humans? 2 hours ago, frankster said: Most scientific study was deemed non essential... Science is study for the sake of study....the quest is to know or find out - Knowledge aquisition....to describe explain understand repeat and predict. This particular subject doesn't exist as far as we know. What is being studied? 2 hours ago, frankster said: Yeah...That is good enough for you. Earth is in Space.....Some of us want to be able to utilize space if and when necessary Even if space opened up, most of *you* won't be able to afford to go out there. The ticket price for a space trip isn't going down either. It will be similar to those $5 million dollar visas the current administration is hawking. 2 hours ago, frankster said: It is a blessing....the curse is not exploring what the imagination says and sees - envision There are people who can *afford* to explore thd unknown. Most people have to work hard just to survive and enjoy their existence.
frankster Posted June 13 Report Posted June 13 6 hours ago, ProfD said: How will studying UAP/UFO/ET phenomena add to the survival of humans? My guess would be the same way studying far distant galaxies will 6 hours ago, ProfD said: This particular subject doesn't exist as far as we know. What is being studied? The Phenomena does exist of that there is no doubt....the problem is we do not know what it is - hence the "U" in UFO/UAP 6 hours ago, ProfD said: Even if space opened up, most of *you* won't be able to afford to go out there. Most things get cheaper and better with time....so too will that 6 hours ago, ProfD said: The ticket price for a space trip isn't going down either. It will be similar to those $5 million dollar visas the current administration is hawking. Never say never.... 6 hours ago, ProfD said: There are people who can *afford* to explore thd unknown. or the Unidentified.. 6 hours ago, ProfD said: Most people have to work hard just to survive and enjoy their existence. It is better to work smart...hard work only gets you callouses and an early grave
ProfD Posted June 13 Author Report Posted June 13 9 hours ago, frankster said: My guess would be the same way studying far distant galaxies will Studying distant galaxies has been ongoing for decades now and not one thing has been discovered that makes life better humans. 9 hours ago, frankster said: The Phenomena does exist of that there is no doubt....the problem is we do not know what it is - hence the "U" in UFO/UAP There is doubt because nobody has tangible proof and evidence of what they have seen nor do they know what it is hence unidentified. It is only a phenomena because people want to believe it is something. Doesn't mean it exists. 9 hours ago, frankster said: Most things get cheaper and better with time....so too will that Never say never.... Humans have been exploring space for over a century now. So far, only a handful of people have been going back and forth to and floating around in the space station for several years now. Currently, a 10 minute trip to the upper atmosphere cost millions of dollars. At the going rate, *normal* space travel will not be accessible to the average human for another century or so. 9 hours ago, frankster said: It is better to work smart...hard work only gets you callouses and an early grave Agreed. It is better to work smarter than harder. The secret lies in getting other folks to do the hardest work. The *average* person is less fortunate to delegate the work that enables them to survive. Barely able to afford a vacation, those same individuals will never be able to afford a space travel ticket. For most people, the best space *ride* will be an amusement park simulator.
frankster Posted June 16 Report Posted June 16 On 6/13/2025 at 12:11 PM, ProfD said: Studying distant galaxies has been ongoing for decades now and not one thing has been discovered that makes life better humans. I do not know if there is no benefits for us humans by studying distant galaxies..... I do know it furthers our understanding and eepens our knowledge base..... On 6/13/2025 at 12:11 PM, ProfD said: There is doubt because nobody has tangible proof and evidence of what they have seen nor do they know what it is hence unidentified. It is only a phenomena because people want to believe it is something. Doesn't mean it exists. Some people claim to have tangible evidence.... It is observable....but not identifiable Science is about to measure it. On 6/13/2025 at 12:11 PM, ProfD said: Humans have been exploring space for over a century now. Yes....or more On 6/13/2025 at 12:11 PM, ProfD said: So far, only a handful of people have been going back and forth to and floating around in the space station for several years now. According to modern science we are the second or third generation of spacefaring humans....so we still pretty young at it On 6/13/2025 at 12:11 PM, ProfD said: Currently, a 10 minute trip to the upper atmosphere cost millions of dollars. That maybe true..... A hundred yrs ago....no amount of money could get you there - so in that sense it is now considerable cheaper On 6/13/2025 at 12:11 PM, ProfD said: At the going rate, *normal* space travel will not be accessible to the average human for another century or so. A century is a mere blink on the scale of humanity life span On 6/13/2025 at 12:11 PM, ProfD said: Agreed. It is better to work smarter than harder. True On 6/13/2025 at 12:11 PM, ProfD said: The secret lies in getting other folks to do the hardest work. Money usually does it... On 6/13/2025 at 12:11 PM, ProfD said: The *average* person is less fortunate to delegate the work that enables them to survive. The Average person is usually set on or expecting to working hard to survive On 6/13/2025 at 12:11 PM, ProfD said: Barely able to afford a vacation, those same individuals will never be able to afford a space travel ticket. I hear tell that China can make a fully functioning car in under 20 seconds.... When cars were invented....only the rich could afford one - then ford and volkswagen came and now many can afford a car. On 6/13/2025 at 12:11 PM, ProfD said: For most people, the best space *ride* will be an amusement park simulator. Well one has to start somewhere
ProfD Posted June 17 Author Report Posted June 17 On 6/15/2025 at 11:25 PM, frankster said: I do not know if there is no benefits for us humans by studying distant galaxies..... I do know it furthers our understanding and eepens our knowledge base..... Sure. Some people just like to collect knowledge, er, information of no tangible use and/or benefit to improving life. On 6/15/2025 at 11:25 PM, frankster said: Some people claim to have tangible evidence.... It is observable....but not identifiable Science is about to measure it. The evidence has to be verified as credible before scientists can do anything with it. On 6/15/2025 at 11:25 PM, frankster said: According to modern science we are the second or third generation of spacefaring humans....so we still pretty young at it We have not gotten that much farther into space than previous generations. On 6/15/2025 at 11:25 PM, frankster said: That maybe true..... A hundred yrs ago....no amount of money could get you there - so in that sense it is now considerable cheaper Where they are *getting* in space for millions of dollars is not that much farther. On 6/15/2025 at 11:25 PM, frankster said: A century is a mere blink on the scale of humanity life span Humans have been around several hundred thousand years. This is as far as we've gotten into space and/or knowledgeable of UAP/UFO/ET phenomena. On 6/15/2025 at 11:25 PM, frankster said: The Average person is usually set on or expecting to working hard to survive They have been conditioned by their parents, family, community, environment, etc. On 6/15/2025 at 11:25 PM, frankster said: I hear tell that China can make a fully functioning car in under 20 seconds.... Supposedly, Asians can build skyscrapers in 18 days. Of course, they use different safety standards too. On 6/15/2025 at 11:25 PM, frankster said: When cars were invented....only the rich could afford one - then ford and volkswagen came and now many can afford a car. I'd imagine it was the same way with horse and buggy too. Technology usually trickles down once it is figured out how to mass produce and sell cheaper.
frankster Posted June 17 Report Posted June 17 3 hours ago, ProfD said: Sure. Some people just like to collect knowledge, er, information of no tangible use and/or benefit to improving life. That's the thing you never know when it will come in handy.... We currently use so many useful products that were initially mistakes or waste.... Science is full of serendipidous events products and discoveries... One school of science researching a phenomena and finds nothing of value.... Only for another school of science finding indispensible and earth shatttering information from it in their field of study. 3 hours ago, ProfD said: The evidence has to be verified as credible before scientists can do anything with it. Of course... There is no more credible source than scientific instrumentations 3 hours ago, ProfD said: We have not gotten that much farther into space than previous generations. I think previuos generations got further than we have.. 3 hours ago, ProfD said: Where they are *getting* in space for millions of dollars is not that much farther. It is a beginning...so yes we are not in deep space - but we are in outerspavce Voyager has entered interstellar space...so we are a traveling 3 hours ago, ProfD said: Humans have been around several hundred thousand years. Yes.... according modern Western science still but a blink in cosmic time scales 3 hours ago, ProfD said: This is as far as we've gotten into space and/or knowledgeable of UAP/UFO/ET phenomena. Yes....this knowledge is leveling up from investigation to study and research. 3 hours ago, ProfD said: They have been conditioned by their parents, family, community, environment, etc. Yes...that is true 3 hours ago, ProfD said: Supposedly, Asians can build skyscrapers in 18 days. Of course, they use different safety standards too. Science continues to progress 3 hours ago, ProfD said: I'd imagine it was the same way with horse and buggy too. Thats gone though....replaced by cheaper easier faster longer lasting stronger and immensely more convenient and comfortable - automobile 3 hours ago, ProfD said: Technology usually trickles down once it is figured out how to mass produce and sell cheaper. Yes
ProfD Posted June 18 Author Report Posted June 18 3 hours ago, frankster said: We currently use so many useful products that were initially mistakes or waste.... Science is full of serendipidous events products and discoveries... Sure. Science has been great for so many things. Maybe looking for UAP/UFO/ETs will reveal the cure for cancer and other illnesses. 3 hours ago, frankster said: I think previuos generations got further than we have.. I look forward to them unearthing the technology that made it to space. 3 hours ago, frankster said: Yes.... according modern Western science still but a blink in cosmic time scales Human existence is a blink in relation to the age of the planet which is 5 billion years and counting.
frankster Posted June 18 Report Posted June 18 4 hours ago, ProfD said: Sure. Science has been great for so many things. True 4 hours ago, ProfD said: Maybe looking for UAP/UFO/ETs will reveal the cure for cancer and other illnesses. Whio Knows but Wouldn't that be bad for business? 4 hours ago, ProfD said: I look forward to them unearthing the technology that made it to space. Me two.... maybe it need not be unearth???? 4 hours ago, ProfD said: Human existence is a blink in relation to the age of the planet which is 5 billion years and counting. That I do not know but there is some who say man is older than we think
ProfD Posted June 18 Author Report Posted June 18 11 hours ago, frankster said: Wouldn't that be bad for business? Absolutely finding a cure for cancer and other diseases would be bad for business. There's more money in maintenance than cures. 11 hours ago, frankster said: Me two.... maybe it need not be unearth???? That would really be interesting to walk up on ancient spacecraft in plain sight. 11 hours ago, frankster said: That I do not know but there is some who say man is older than we think Either way, humans have not been around for millions or billions of years. If human beings had been around that long, we should already 1) have cures for diseases, 2) know how to travel back and forth to space and 3) be able to survive on other planets too.
frankster Posted June 18 Report Posted June 18 2 hours ago, ProfD said: Absolutely finding a cure for cancer and other diseases would be bad for business. There's more money in maintenance than cures. Greedy people are so short sighted....making money off the the discomfort pain and suffering of others 2 hours ago, ProfD said: That would really be interesting to walk up on ancient spacecraft in plain sight. True....dat as well as other tech they may have used 2 hours ago, ProfD said: Either way, humans have not been around for millions or billions of years. who said that...the same people who said the Coelacanth was extinct??? Some sources say we have been here for way more than a millions yrs 2 hours ago, ProfD said: If human beings had been around that long, we should already 1) have cures for diseases, 2) know how to travel back and forth to space and 3) be able to survive on other planets too. The reason given is that we tend to self destruct and have to start over..
ProfD Posted June 18 Author Report Posted June 18 24 minutes ago, frankster said: Greedy people are so short sighted....making money off the the discomfort pain and suffering of others Find a cure for human greed and the world would be perfect. 24 minutes ago, frankster said: who said that...the same people who said the Coelacanth was extinct??? Some sources say we have been here for way more than a millions yrs The reason given is that we tend to self destruct and have to start over. Millions of years in existence, human beings self-destructing and having to start over is a convenient excuse for not being further along in our progress as a species. That reminds me of people who play video games. Instead of completing the game, they keep hitting the reset button.
frankster Posted June 20 Report Posted June 20 On 6/18/2025 at 6:29 PM, ProfD said: Find a cure for human greed and the world would be perfect. The cure has been found.... The problem is no one wants to accept it... On 6/18/2025 at 6:29 PM, ProfD said: Millions of years in existence, human beings self-destructing and having to start over is a convenient excuse for not being further along in our progress as a species. It is not an excuse.. On 6/18/2025 at 6:29 PM, ProfD said: That reminds me of people who play video games. Instead of completing the game, they keep hitting the reset button. Exactly.
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