The phrase illegal alien is considered derogatory & offensive.

Yet, right-leaning media personalities are being allowed to use rhe phrase while they're on-air.

Interestingly, there's no public outcry especially from the Hispanic community most affected by the phrase.

The same white folks using illegal alien probably wish they could say n8gger & get away with it.😎

I use the term myself from time to time.
I don't think it's offensive, it's just a fact.

The term "undocumented" is misleading because it gives the impression that a person is where they belong but just doesn't have their paperwork together....or at best are just working under the table.

If you sneak into the nation without proper notification and authority your very presence is breaking the law.
You are BEING illegal by simply being here.

But what I think IS happening...and I don't think AfroAmericans should allow it to happen....is that the racists in the U.S. are trying to slowly replace AfroAmericans with a more compliant and docile cheap labor source which for the most part will be Latinos.
I've seen this at various jobs, where they basically give Latino workers...most of whom ARE illegal....more privileges and treat them with more respect than the AfroAmerican employees.
They are allowed more time off to do personal things and they even let them bring in food to feed fellow co-workers at lunch time.
I've seen this happen at several jobs.
They even make signs and instructions in Spanish to cater to them.

Unfortunately because so many young AfroAmericans DON'T want to work on these manual labor jobs anymore.....not only aren't they NOT outraged about what's happening and the plans to replace them....but they don't even care.

Which seemingly proves the point OF the racists....that the "niggers are lazy and don't want to work anyway".

56 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I use the term myself from time to time.
I don't think it's offensive, it's just a fact.

That makes you guilty of using a derogatory phrase invented by white racists.😁

56 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

But what I think IS happening...and I don't think AfroAmericans should allow it to happen....is that the racists in the U.S. are trying to slowly replace AfroAmericans with a more compliant and docile cheap labor source which for the most part will be Latinos.

Why should AfroAmericans fight for low wage jobs?🤔

56 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I've seen this at various jobs, where they basically give Latino workers...most of whom ARE illegal....more privileges and treat them with more respect than the AfroAmerican employees.

Right. AfroAmericans should not be working in such a place.

56 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Unfortunately because so many young AfroAmericans DON'T want to work on these manual labor jobs anymore.....not only aren't they NOT outraged about what's happening and the plans to replace them....but they don't even care.

For several decades now, AfroAmericans have been educated to seek better employment opportunities.

56 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Which seemingly proves the point OF the racists....that the "niggers are lazy and don't want to work anyway".

It only proves that AfroAmericans don't want to work for them.

White folks aren't beating down doors for manual labor jobs either.😎

ProfD

I'm a bit surprised at your view on the term.

Given your strong FBA identification and stance, I actually presumed that you felt the same way I did about the issue...lol.

That makes you guilty of using a derogatory phrase invented by white racists.

Calling a foreigner who came to the United State illegally an "illegal alien" should be considered no more derogatory than calling a man who forces women into sexual encounters a "rapist".

Derogatory names and slurs are often exaggerations meant to dehumanize whoever they are targeted toward.

Calling someone who is here illegally an "illegal" is a statement of fact.

Why should AfroAmericans fight for low wage jobs?

I'll give you 3 valid reasons:

1. A lot of low wage jobs have traditionally been used as entry level jobs for Black youth to work on part time to earn money after school or for them to enter the work for right after graduating to learn basic work ethic.

People have noticed around the nation that a lot of the McDonalds and dish washing jobs that Black youth used to occupy to earn money during the summer and after school are now occupied by Latinos who can't even speak English.

Sometimes almost the entire establishment is staffed by them.

2. A low wage job is better than NO JOB at all.

Unemployment in the AfroAmerican community is much higher than in the White community....for various reasons...so we're in no position to brush any field of endeavor off our shoulders as if they are dispensable.

3. Low wage jobs often lead to HIGH WAGE jobs.

They are usually entry level and a means of access to the higher wages.

If Latinos are snatching them up left and right...that's less opportunity

Right. AfroAmericans should not be working in such a place.

It's hard to avoid when the MAJORITY of work places in the region are like this or going in that direction.

Latinos used to be focused on agricultural and seasonal work, but haven't been around this country and I can tell you that Latino presence in manual labor jobs have been growing tremendously fast these past 10 or 15 years.

For several decades now, AfroAmericans have been educated to seek better employment opportunities.

Some have.

Keep in mind that everybody....not even the majority of people....will graduate from college with a degree.

Especially with one that offers a great paying field of work.

There are people with Master's Degrees working at Starbucks and Target....lol.

The best thing that guarantees AfroAmericans decent employment is less competition from other groups....mainly Whites and Latinos.

One of the reasons there are so many Black professionals in places like D.C., Detroit, Atlanta, and New Orleans is simply because of our numbers in those cities.

There are so many of us and compared to the number of Whites and Latinos....that success HAS to come our way.

But in many of the other cities where Black people aren't a majority....in many cased they get totally locked out.

It only proves that AfroAmericans don't want to work for them.

True.

Some of it is the pay more so than the work itself.

I grew up in a working class neighborhood where the majority of adults worked in factories and did manual labor but their jobs paid well enough for them to buy homes, buy new cars, and take care of entire families AND "outside women"...lol.

I don't believe most Black youth would mind doing that type of work IF it paid $30 or $40 an hour today which would be the equivalent of what those jobs were paying in the 70s and 80s.

White folks aren't beating down doors for manual labor jobs either.

No, but they are doing them.

Especially the poor and uneducated one.

But you can't always believe what you see White folks doing.

Like Neely Fuller Jr. said....they often have "mysterious sources" of income....lol.

A White man can be slapping together tacos at Taco Bell for $14 an hour but have 2 cars, a stay-at-home wife, 3 kids with one on the way, a mortgage, and a summer cottage up north.

...AND has an opioid addiction, lol.

And you're scratching your head wondering how is he able to afford all of this on a minimum wage salary.

Because he's White and gets money from "other" sources....lol.

15 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

ProfD

I'm a bit surprised at your view on the term.

Given your strong FBA identification and stance, I actually presumed that you felt the same way I did about the issue...lol.

Sure. I'm extremely pro-Black.

However, I don't think it's right to call another human being an illegal alien.

Even more insulting when used by the same people who stole this country from the Native Americans.

15 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Calling a foreigner who came to the United State illegally an "illegal alien" should be considered no more derogatory than calling a man who forces women into sexual encounters a "rapist".

Wait a d8mn minute...what we have here is a false equivalence.🤣

Forcing someone into a s8xual encounter does make the perpetrator a rapist.

15 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Calling someone who is here illegally an "illegal" is a statement of fact.

Whichethnicity comes to mind when you hear the term illegal alien?

15 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

1. A lot of low wage jobs have traditionally been used as entry level jobs...

Right. Low wage jobs aren't meant to be careers. It should be a stepping stone whether summer employment or part-time to finish school. Not to build a life &/or raise a family.

A man over 30-years-old who isn't a homeowner or who owns a landscaping company has no business pushing a lawnmower for a living.😁

15 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

2. A low wage job is better than NO JOB at all.

A low wage job is no good for an adult if it doesn't cover shelter, food, clothing & health insurance, etc.

15 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

3. Low wage jobs often lead to HIGH WAGE jobs.

It takes a very long time for a low wage job to lead to high wage opportunities.

15 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

It's hard to avoid when the MAJORITY of work places in the region are like this or going in that direction.

The failure lies in AfroAmericans depending on someone else for a job instead of creating them.

15 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Keep in mind that everybody....not even the majority of people....will graduate from college with a degree.

Especially with one that offers a great paying field of work.

A college degree is not required to build a successful business. Just ask someone with a CDL Commercial Driver's License).😉

15 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I grew up in a working class neighborhood where the majority of adults worked in factories and did manual labor but their jobs paid well enough for them to buy homes, buy new cars, and take care of entire families AND "outside women"...lol.

Most factory jobs have been out-sourced to other countries where labor is cheaper &/or replaced by automation.

15 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I don't believe most Black youth would mind doing that type of work IF it paid $30 or $40 an hour today which would be the equivalent of what those jobs were paying in the 70s and 80s.

As AI is coming down the pike, white folks are encouraging their young people to learn trades.

There will always be money to be made in knowing how to build & fix things with one's own hands. Not by pushing a broom or mop.

15 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

No, but they are doing them.

Especially the poor and uneducated one.

White privilege is very real. Makes sense considering that being in control of the gamethey have tilted the playing field. They take care of their own.😎

ProfD

However, I don't think it's right to call another human being an illegal alien.

An alien simply means a person not from the land.

It's just been used colloquially these past 100 years or so to mean Beings from outter space, but it originally meant humans from another nation or region.

Forcing someone into a s8xual encounter does make the perpetrator a rapist.

If that's the case, doesn't being in a country you're not from illegally make you an illegal alien or atleast an illegal migrant?

Whichethnicity comes to mind when you hear the term illegal alien?

Lol...that's obvious.

But it applies to any ethnicity or race.

That's like asking what ethnic group does the word "slave" remind you of.

We know.

But there have been White and Asian slaves for thousands of years.

Right. Low wage jobs aren't meant to be careers. It should be a stepping stone whether summer employment or part-time to finish school. Not to build a life &/or raise a family.

It depends on a person's quality of living and ambitions.

Maybe that's all they want to aspire to in this world.

A low wage job is no good for an adult if it doesn't cover shelter, food, clothing & health insurance, etc.

And that's an issue that the government and society itself should be addressing.

Why do we have ANY job that a person can't cover the basic necessities of life like food, clothing, shelter, and healthcare from a normal 40 hours of work?

They SHOULD pay more...so why don't they?

The failure lies in AfroAmericans depending on someone else for a job instead of creating them.

While you're right that COLLECTIVELY AfroAmericans should be producing jobs for ourselves, as INDIVIDUALS most people period aren't qualified to actually go out and start their own successful business and work for themselves.

They must go out and find a job to get paid and support themselves.

They should have the right to do so.

Most factory jobs have been out-sourced to other countries where labor is cheaper &/or replaced by automation.

Not only have they outsourced many of the jobs but now they're been importing cheap labor in the form of illegal immigrants and intentionally preventing them from having any legal or political power by not making them actual citizens.

They've started a literal "peasant class" in this nation.

It goes back to our government and them allowing it to happen.
The same politicians who allow jobs that pay BELOW minimum wage in places like the service sector and agricultural industry are the same politicians who are fighting openly and behind closed doors to bring illegal in by the millions to displace American workers.

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

An alien simply means a person not from the land.

You're right. These racists are using illegal alien as a slur.

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If that's the case, doesn't being in a country you're not from illegally make you an illegal alien or atleast an illegal migrant?

If you steal a house & fix it up & other folks show up as squatters...are they illegal aliens?🤣

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

And that's an issue that the government and society itself should be addressing.

Why do we have ANY job that a person can't cover the basic necessities of life like food, clothing, shelter, and healthcare from a normal 40 hours of work?

They SHOULD pay more...so why don't they?

Greed & profits prevent paying livable wages.

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

While you're right that COLLECTIVELY AfroAmericans should be producing jobs for ourselves, as INDIVIDUALS most people period aren't qualified to actually go out and start their own successful business and work for themselves.

They must go out and find a job to get paid and support themselves.

They should have the right to do so.

Individuals don't have the power to dictate that they get a livable wage.

Unions even have a hard time getting pay increases.

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Not only have they outsourced many of the jobs but now they're been importing cheap labor in the form of illegal immigrants and intentionally preventing them from having any legal or political power by not making them actual citizens.

They've started a literal "peasant class" in this nation.

Feudalism never really went away.😁

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It goes back to our government and them allowing it to happen.
The same politicians who allow jobs that pay BELOW minimum wage in places like the service sector and agricultural industry are the same politicians who are fighting openly and behind closed doors to bring illegal in by the millions to displace American workers.

The government tries to create rules & safeguards to make life bearable for citizens.

Ultimately, politicians end up working within the interests of those who control wealth.

The labor market is controlled in such a way to enrich the wealthy while providing the average person with just enough to survive.😎