ProfD

You said something in another thread that at first I agreed with, then I decided to think in terms of OUTSIDE of the United States and thought about women not just in THIS environment but on a GLOBAL level.



You...in effect....said that women tend to like bad boys and prefer bad dudes over intellectuals.
And many of us who grew up in the urban environments of the United State could certainly bear witness to that.

However what about the Asian and Indian women?

When you look at China, Japan, the Koreas, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and the other nations of East and South Asian you have BILLIONS of people, which means a LOT of sex is happening between the males and females...lol.

Although criminal and violent men exist in all racial and ethnic groups, I think most of us can agree that when you think about thug life or a gangsta.....Chinese and Indian men aren't the first ones that come to mind, lol.

Most of them are some of the most plain, square, wimpy, push-your-glasses-up nerdish men you'll ever run into.....yet they're attracting women and making babies.

If "women" prefer thugs and bad boys....why aren't THOSE women choosing them?

Bad Boy doesn't necessarily mean thug or gangsta.

High testosterone man is probably a better description of what I'm referring to as a bad boy.

In those other cultures, the people seem to be laid back & docile in general. Fewer bad boys &/or displays of high testosterone.

While the men may not be outdoorsmen or athletes of gym rats or whatever, they could still be high testosterone in other ways.

We don't really see or know how Asian or Indian or Middle Eastern men get down with their women behind closed doors. Especially when everybody wrapped up like mummies.🤣

Otherwise, bad boys or high testosterone men are not the majority anywhere.

Even if a woman is married to a good man, those who cheat seem to do so with a higher testosterone man.😎

ProfD

Bad Boy doesn't necessarily mean thug or gangsta.
High testosterone man is probably a better description of what I'm referring to as a bad boy.

I can agree with this.
High testosterone is much more likely to be the reason so many rebellious and violent men are attractive to some women.
It's a sign OF having high testosterone and being aggressive.

In those other cultures, the people seem to be laid back & docile in general. Fewer bad boys &/or displays of high testosterone.

If this is the case....then it's not about "women" as much as it's about the CULTURE they were brought up in and how they were raised.
They were basically trained or conditioned on what type of man to find attractive.

Well, couldn't the same thing apply to women in America?
Could it be that women HERE are also being trained or conditioned on what type of man to like and find attractive?






Otherwise, bad boys or high testosterone men are not the majority anywhere.

I agree that the bad boys aren't the majority anywhere, but there are some ethnicities or communities where the men in general seem to have a higher testosterone rate than others.

Unlike most Black American men, Italian men seem to pride themselves on being "high testosterone" men.

Even if a woman is married to a good man, those who cheat seem to do so with a higher testosterone man.😎

True.
And don't ask me how I know....lol.

25 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

In those other cultures, the people seem to be laid back & docile in general. Fewer bad boys &/or displays of high testosterone.

If this is the case....then it's not about "women" as much as it's about the CULTURE they were brought up in and how they were raised.
They were basically trained or conditioned on what type of man to find attractive.

Well, couldn't the same thing apply to women in America?
Could it be that women HERE are also being trained or conditioned on what type of man to like and find attractive?

Culture & environment definitely play a huge role in attraction between both men & women.

Regardless of culture/ethnicity/environment, I believe most women would prefer a high testosterone man.

Of course, women will settle for a different type of man especially depending on her mentality.

A feminist-lite woman may not want a high testosterone man. Too much competition in the pants-wearing department.🤣

Overall, culture & environment & mutual attraction put men & women together as it has since the beginning of time.😎

ProfD


Culture & environment definitely play a huge role in attraction between both men & women.

I think it plays a BIGGER role with women.
Meaning, I think they're more easily influenced by culture and their environment.

Except for the size of butts....lol...men all over the world regardless or race or culture tend to find the same things attractive about women.

You don't hear about ONE group of men preferring "bad bitches" while another group prefers "good girls".

Nor do you hear Asian or White men explicitly say "I'm not into Black girls or Latina girls".
Even if they are racist....they'll still take a FEMALE of another race for sexual purposes.

Nearly all heterosexual men tend to like the same things.

Can the same be said for women?




Regardless of culture/ethnicity/environment, I believe most women would prefer a high testosterone man.

True.
But how they would like for that high testosterone to be EXPRESSED tends to differ from one culture to the next.

Further,
It's scientifically proven that Black men have the HIGHEST testosterone of any other racial or ethnic group of men.
Do you think most women around the planet consciously prefer Black men?



Of course, women will settle for a different type of man especially depending on her mentality.

There are millions of Chinese and Japanese women who WILL NOT settle for a Black man regardless of her circumstances.
And it has nothing to do with his testosterone level, money, or confidence....it's because he is BLACK.

This is a major "problem" around the planet.

I put "problem" in quotes because for most Black men it doesn't seem to be a problem at all.
Most don't seem to care how many women around the planet actually see them, especially compared to White men.


Overall, culture & environment & mutual attraction put men & women together as it has since the beginning of time.

Historically speaking, rape and violence have also put men and women together and even produced offspring.
That seems to be the case in much of the worlds history.

When it comes to conquered people and those living under the rule of domination, it's hard for us to really know WHAT the women of that culture really like because they are being controlled and programmed.

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Nor do you hear Asian or White men explicitly say "I'm not into Black girls or Latina girls".
Even if they are racist....they'll still take a FEMALE of another race for sexual purposes.

A man will bang a woman of any race if the opportunity presents &/or he's horny enough.😁

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Nearly all heterosexual men tend to like the same things.

Sure. The common denominator among heterosexual men is they like women.

Most men are first & foremost physically attracted to women regardless of her intelligence or social or financial status.

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Can the same be said for women?

Heterosexual women like men but that which attracts them can vary over several factors.

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Further, It's scientifically proven that Black men have the HIGHEST testosterone of any other racial or ethnic group of men.
Do you think most women around the planet consciously prefer Black men?

Only if Black men were more powerful in terms of security/protection & financial independence.

Women of all races flock to Black athletes & entertainers.

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

There are millions of Chinese and Japanese women who WILL NOT settle for a Black man regardless of her circumstances.
And it has nothing to do with his testosterone level, money, or confidence....it's because he is BLACK.

Most stems from their culture. They are taught to look down on Black people especially Black men.

Yet, there's no shortage of Asian women running around with Black men who were either in the military or currently active duty.

Go to any Asian country & you'll find the women hanging around wherever US servicemembers are located.

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

This is a major "problem" around the planet.

I put "problem" in quotes because for most Black men it doesn't seem to be a problem at all.
Most don't seem to care how many women around the planet actually see them, especially compared to White men.

Black men don't see it as a problem because those who are interested in non-Black women have no problems getting attention from women of other races.

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Overall, culture & environment & mutual attraction put men & women together as it has since the beginning of time.

Historically speaking, rape and violence have also put men and women together and even produced offspring.
That seems to be the case in much of the worlds history.

Don't know how that red herring is relevant to this discussion.

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

When it comes to conquered people and those living under the rule of domination, it's hard for us to really know WHAT the women of that culture really like because they are being controlled and programmed.

The world has opened up just enough that it doesn't take much to have conversation with non-Black women & find out what's really on their minds.😎

ProfD

A man will bang a woman of any race if the opportunity presents &/or he's horny enough

I think we can both agree that most women will NOT do this.

Why do you think this is?

Do you think they are more racist by nature, or were they conditioned to consider race as a factor in their mating choice?

Sure. The common denominator among heterosexual men is they like women.

Most men are first & foremost physically attracted to womeregardless s of her intelligence or social or financial status.

Because race isn't a factor in sexual attraction.....or atleast shouldn't be.

Humans were biologically programed to mate with eachother regardless of race.

Heterosexual women like men but that which.attracts them can vary over several factors.

But are these factors NATURAL or INSTINCTUAL or were they programmed by their culture and society?

If an unmarried Indian woman moves to Nigeria and lives there for 30 years and not once has sex with a Nigerian man, do you think that's natural or was a choice influenced by her cultural beliefs?

Only if Black men were more powerful in terms of security/protection & financial independence.

I agree.
There was a lot more interracial sexual relationships between Black men and White women in the 70s and early 80s than there is today!
Because Black people were coming up and gaining power and respect in the world and White women saw it and wanted to get on that train while it was going forwards.

Women of races flock to Black athletes & entertainers.

Black American and White American and some European women do.
How many Ethiopian, Korean, Iranian, Indian, or even Russian women are chasing after Black entertainers?
Most of these women aren't getting with Black American men despite our wealth and prestige.

I'm not just looking at a small pool of women here in America, I'm looking at women GLOBALLY and how MOST human women see and relate to Black American men.

Most stems from their culture. They are taught to look down on Black people especially Black men.

That's the point I'm getting at.

Who do you think is teaching them that?

Is it their own men, or the White media?

Yet, there's no shortage of Asian women running around with Black men who were either in the military or currently active duty.

Shortage?

I'm not sure if I'd call it a shortage, but if MOST Asian women aren't willing to date or have sex with Black men because they ARE Black men....that's a problem; despite a few bruthaz managing to pull one or two here and there...lol.

Black men need to stop with the selfish attitude of "I got minez...fuck dem' other niggaz"

Go to any Asian country & you'll find the women hanging around wherever US servicemembers are located.

They respect the power and status that brutha has being an American.

And that's a good thing and we should use that to our advantage.
That's one of the good things about the FBA movement.

But when their children are raised in the United States, many of them regain that racist anti-Black male mentality.

Many of the racist Asian women today who wouldn't think of dating or having sex with a Black man today...THEIR MOTHERS and GRANDMOTHERS were prostitutes for GIs both Black and White during the Vietnam and Korean Wars.

Black men don't see it as a problem because those who are interested in non-Black women have no problems getting attention from women of other races.

1. Like you said earlier MOST men...nearly ALL heterosexual men...are interested in sex with women regardless of race.

So there is no such thing as a Black man "not interested" in non-Black women as well as Black women.

We like women...period.

2. Since I was a kid I've seen SEVERAL TIMES where Black men hit on or made it crystal clear that they were interested in Asian women sexually...and were turned down. Very few times were their advances welcomed. It did happen...but it was rare.

So perhaps what you're mistaking as a lack of interest is actually FORFEITURE

Many bruthaz stopped even TRYING to screw Asian women because they figure it's a waste of time even trying to.

Don't know how that red herring is relevant to this discussion.

That harsh image of reality was needed to balance out the rosy silky "all a man needs to do is get his act together and the women will fall in line" narrative that you love to push in these discussion....lol.

Sometimes it's a matter of raw brutal power....often times immoral and evil.

Many non-White women ended up having sex with White men because they were FORCED to through military conquest....not because he was some irresistible "alpha male" with the right cologne, lol.

As Black men we need to understand what happened to oppressed people and how to counter the programming....instead of denying it's impact.

The world has opened up just enough that it doesn't take much to have conversation with non-Black women & find out what's really on their minds.

Most men over 25 have learned that what women SAY and what women actually BELIEVE are often two different things.

If an Indian or Chinese woman has been conditioned by racist programming to think Black men are subhuman or part monkey and that's why she doesn't even consider sleeping with them....do you think they would ever ADMIT to this during a discussion?

You can ask them all the questions you want, but at the end of the night...who are they going home to?

Who are they opening up their legs to?

Who are they having babies by?

You can LOOK at society and how non-Black women treat Black men in that society and get a pretty good idea of what they're thinking without sitting them down for an interrogation...lol.

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

ProfD

A man will bang a woman of any race if the opportunity presents &/or he's horny enough

I think we can both agree that most women will NOT do this.

Why do you think this is?

Women do not have the same motivation & drive as men.

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Do you think they are more racist by nature, or were they conditioned to consider race as a factor in their mating choice?

I don't believe they are racist. Most people gravitate towards their own race.

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Because race isn't a factor in sexual attraction.....or atleast shouldn't be.

Humans were biologically programed to mate with eachother regardless of race.

Women are different from men when it comes to s8x motivation & drive.

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Heterosexual women like men but that which.attracts them can vary over several factors.

But are these factors NATURAL or INSTINCTUAL or were they programmed by their culture and society?

A combination of natural desire & cultural & environmental upbringing.

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

If an unmarried Indian woman moves to Nigeria and lives there for 30 years and not once has sex with a Nigerian man, do you think that's natural or was a choice influenced by her cultural beliefs?

Women can go wirhout s8x for decades especially if they're not attracted to men for whatever reason.

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Black American and White American and some European women do.
How many Ethiopian, Korean, Iranian, Indian, or even Russian women are chasing after Black entertainers?
Most of these women aren't getting with Black American men despite our wealth and prestige.

Talk to brothas who have traveled to those countries &/or been around those types of women & you'll hear differently.

As a musician, I know firsthand how easy it is for Black men to get at women of any race.

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'm not just looking at a small pool of women here in America, I'm looking at women GLOBALLY and how MOST human women see and relate to Black American men.

Again, travel to those places un order to get a real picture of the situation.

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Most stems from their culture. They are taught to look down on Black people especially Black men.

That's the point I'm getting at.

Who do you think is teaching them that?

Is it their own men, or the White media?

Culture & propaganda influences them.

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Yet, there's no shortage of Asian women running around with Black men who were either in the military or currently active duty.

Shortage?

I'm not sure if I'd call it a shortage, but if MOST Asian women aren't willing to date or have sex with Black men because they ARE Black men....that's a problem; despite a few bruthaz managing to pull one or two here and there...lol.

Black men need to stop with the selfish attitude of "I got minez...fuck dem' other niggaz"

How hard are Black men trying to get with Asian women & striking out?

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Black men don't see it as a problem because those who are interested in non-Black women have no problems getting attention from women of other races.

1. Like you said earlier MOST men...nearly ALL heterosexual men...are interested in sex with women regardless of race.

So there is no such thing as a Black man "not interested" in non-Black women as well as Black women.

We like women...period.

There's a difference between actively seeking out women of different races & letting it happen casually.

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

2. Since I was a kid I've seen SEVERAL TIMES where Black men hit on or made it crystal clear that they were interested in Asian women sexually...and were turned down. Very few times were their advances welcomed. It did happen...but it was rare.

Most people prefer their own race.

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

So perhaps what you're mistaking as a lack of interest is actually FORFEITURE

Many bruthaz stopped even TRYING to screw Asian women because they figure it's a waste of time even trying to.

Smart money to stop pursuing women who aren't interested for whatever reason.

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Don't know how that red herring is relevant to this discussion.

That harsh image of reality was needed to balance out the rosy silky "all a man needs to do is get his act together and the women will fall in line" narrative that you love to push in these discussion....lol.

Not sure how rape & violence is the alternative to a man attracting women with his natural swag.

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Sometimes it's a matter of raw brutal power....often times immoral and evil.

There's a price to paid for that too. Heavy is the head that wears the crown, er, gets stoned to death.🤣

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Many non-White women ended up having sex with White men because they were FORCED to through military conquest....not because he was some irresistible "alpha male" with the right cologne, lol.

Right. Warfare brings out all types of brutality.

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

As Black men we need to understand what happened to oppressed people and how to counter the programming....instead of denying it's impact.

Understanding oppression is fine. Raping & pillaging like barbarians wouldn't be a good look.

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

If an Indian or Chinese woman has been conditioned by racist programming to think Black men are subhuman or part monkey and that's why she doesn't even consider sleeping with them....do you think they would ever ADMIT to this during a discussion?

Why would a man be interested in her if she's clearly not interested in him?

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

You can ask them all the questions you want, but at the end of the night...who are they going home to?

Who are they opening up their legs to?

Who are they having babies by?

That woman has every right to give herself to the man she's attracted to for whatever reason. She doesn't owe a Black man a shot.

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

You can LOOK at society and how non-Black women treat Black men in that society and get a pretty good idea of what they're thinking without sitting them down for an interrogation...lol

Right. A Black man would be better served to get with women interested in him.

No need wasting time on women who are uninterested in Black men whether it's propaganda or culture or environment. Plenty women out there.😎