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BINGO I think you're giving Cynique too much credit.....lol. YOUR quote of being civilized means giving up freedom in exchange for liberties is an EXCELLENT one and hits the nail directly on the head and sums up the difference.

ProfD Right. I do not believe the number of feminists & [pick a pill] dudes among Black people has reached critical mass or a level to be considered a pathology. We don't want to wait until it GETS do that point, do we? NF Jr. also didn't think Black people should procreate until they were well established & at least 30 years old. Dr. Frances Cress-Welsing had a similar belief. You're right in that I remember Dr. Welsing expressing such beliefs but I don't recall Mr. Fuller expressing them. I remember him advocating a LOOOOOONG LIST of questions people should ask eachother before having sex...LOL. He said they were supposed to look at eachother naked and examine eachother and ask questions like "have you ALWAYS been a woman"....LOL Depends on where you live. Go to predominantly Black cities across America & you'll see a whole lot of pure AfroAmerican children. That's true. Every time I go back to Detroit it's like going back to the Motherland, lol. Sometimes I take fellow African co-workers back to Detroit with me and they say like looks like a major African city. They are really amazed at seeing Black police officers....especially female.

Gotcha. Being civilized means giving up total freedom in exchange for liberties. I still like the water & ice analogy because of the latitude between freedom & liberty within civilization. Otherwise, a human can live away from civilization & be totally free to do whatever they desire.😎

Employed Americans have just enough money to pay high azz healthcare costs. The government subsidizes it for poor people. Massive unemployment will create a completely different situation affecting white folks. It will lead to UBI & a form of Universal Healthcare (UHC). Non-whites will benefit by default. Here in Wakanda, I don't know of any Black people who are getting any type of welfare or social services. Black folks got money.😁😎

Right. I do not believe the number of feminists & [pick a pill] dudes among Black people has reached critical mass or a level to be considered a pathology. NF Jr. also didn't think Black people should procreate until they were well established & at least 30 years old. Dr. Frances Cress-Welsing had a similar belief.😁 Depends on where you live. Go to predominantly Black cities across America & you'll see a whole lot of pure AfroAmerican children.😎

I agree with you. Anybody who lives inside of a civilization is not free. I'm just explaining the difference between freedom and liberty and while being liberated doesn't mean you're free.

ProfD It will become inevitable when technology puts more people are out of work. Lol..... That's like saying the more people get sick and chronic illnesses....Universal Healthcare will be inevitable. That suggests that the government actually CARES how bad things get for the people in society. Many Black folks have been conditioned for several centuries to depend on the white man for every crumb of their daily bread. The same Black folks will offer several excuses for why they cannot be self-sufficient &/or work with other Black folks to produce & build wealth. Maybe fewer opportunities at the white man's table will force Black folks to do something different. I think it will. Otherwise, right along with poor white folks, some Black folks will collect their UBI checks & whatever monies they can hustle up & try to make the best of it. Not too much different from the current welfare situation. How many MEN do you know get a welfare check? I'm not talking about EBD/food stamps....but actual currency?

Humans cannot be totally free like animals because humans are far more destructive. As a result of our ability to get out of hand, humans impose limitations on themselves in order to function as a civilization.😎

ProfD You seem to be suggesting that because it's happening in White communities it's NOT a problem or it's not so bad for our people as well. This is a mistake to make for several reasons..... As a student of Mr. Fuller you as well as I know that they will harm their own just to harm our people. They'll put out AIDS and drugs in society knowing some of their own people will die, just to kill more of ours. So you can't go by what's going on among them. The Caucasian community already naturally has a large amount of sexual tension and dysfunction so it's not "new" to them. It's not considered pathological. Sexual anxiety and friction between the sexes is NOT natural to our people and is indeed new and should be treated as a crisis or pathology that must be solved. I don't see as many Black children...truly Black children....running around as I did 30 and 40 years ago. Many of them looked yellowish and mixed. Many of the ones who ARE genuinely Black (brown or dark skinned)....when you look at the parents they're usually from Africa.

....not really. It wasn't too bad but I wouldn't call it "perfect". It suggests that freedom is just a different FORM of liberty, which I would agree with. However unlike freedom which tolerates NO limitations outside of those which are found in nature, a person can be liberated WITH limits and restrictions. For example.......... Wild birds are free. Most Americans are liberated. The key factor in the difference being B/being imposed restrictions.

@aka Contrarian ..I dig your take on freedom & liberty. The water & ice analogy was perfect.😎

White folks are having the same problem among their younger people. Between education with more white women enrolled in colleges & universities than white white men & career opportunities, white folks are having issues with dating too. Plenty white feminists & [pick a pill] white dudes. That's why white folks are concerned with low birth rates. I still see a whole lotta Black children in strollers & hopping on & off school buses & running, playing & laughing around these parts. That tells mw there's still a whole lotta f8ckin going on somewhere among Black folks.🤣😎

For somebody who poo-poos abstract thinking, in seeking to differentiate between "freedom" and "liberty", Pioneer has stumbled into abstract territory and landed in a place that is replete with semantic overtones. "Freedom" and "liberty" are intangible concepts that have to be condensed into words in order to facilitate a definition. My approach to this subject is a broad metaphoric one, and involves comparing freedom and liberty to ice and water, suggesting that they are 2 conditions that are different versions of the same thing. One tends to be passive, the other active; freedom being subjective, and liberty being objective. Inasmuch as water can become frozen and ice can thaw, the axiom about "the same fire that melts wax, makes steel hard" comes to mind... Just depends on the circumstances. During the Civil Rights struggle, a favorite rallying cry to those in the trenches fighting for equal rights was to remind that "freedom ain't free". And whose more entitled to make the statement than those who fought for it?

It will become inevitable when technology puts more people are out of work. Many Black folks have been conditioned for several centuries to depend on the white man for every crumb of their daily bread. The same Black folks will offer several excuses for why they cannot be self-sufficient &/or work with other Black folks to produce & build wealth. Maybe fewer opportunities at the white man's table will force Black folks to do something different. Otherwise, right along with poor white folks, some Black folks will collect their UBI checks & whatever monies they can hustle up & try to make the best of it. Not too much different from the current welfare situation.😎

None of them has a right to roam around in the White House.🤣 However, the White House press pool is supposed to consist of news outlets regardless of politics. Otherwse, the USA would have state-run TV like Russia or North Korea. The news would be one-sided if only FOX & Newsmax & OAN were allowed to cover the White House.😁😎

ProfD Right. Hopefully, the Universal Basic Income (UBI) will mitigate rampant depression, substance abuse & other reckless behavior as a result of unemployment or under-employment. Like I said in another thread..... One of the beautiful and valuable things about being a student of both the teachings of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad AND the Honorable Neely Fuller Jr. is that you can't be fooled by the Racists....lol. No matter what new problems come up on the scene....you can see their hand in it because you automatically and instinctively suspect THEY are behind all of the problems in this society! This is automatic. If the fucking MOON fell out of the sky....we'd be looking for a White man standing behind her and suspect that he's the one who shoved her out of her orbit, lol. Universal Basic Income would be nice. But if it's implemented it would just being another way to CONTROL Black people, make our people lazier and more docile, and stifle the spirit of independence and progress that our people need to compete with. Further...... Unless they make UBI a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT (do you see that happening???) it's basically up to a bunch of White folks in offices deciding who gets it, who doesn't, and how much. And you know they would attach all types of requirements and stipulations to it that if you fart too loud or hold your dick with the wrong hand while pissing...they'll accuse you of breaching the "social contract" and snatch your benefits away from you. They'd probably also attach a lot of "fraud" charges to it so that if you lie on your UBI application they'll have an excuse to prosecute you like those PPP loans. Humans are adaptable creatures. They will figure out how to survive & thrive in a world where they may no longer have to work for a living. If that were the case, why are most Black people still relying on White people for jobs and healthcare? We're human. We're the ORIGINAL humans...lol. If we were adaptable we would have learned how to be independent and self sufficient by now instead of making the same mistakes over and over again. You want to see an example of animals that adapt to their environments? Look at a deer. They avoid mountain lions because they KNOW mountain lions are their enemies. You don't see a wounded deer going to a mountain lion looking for help. You don't see deer going to mountain lions for food. They AVOID mountain lions at all costs because that's their natural enemies. Does a nigga have as much sense as a deer? If he does....why does he keep going back to HIS enemy for food, care, and comfort?

ProfD Optimistically, I believe there will always be enough heterosexual folks on both sides of the aisle to form & build connections & keep our species alive & well The beautiful thing about being exposed to BOTH the teachings of the Nation of Islam as well as Neely Fuller Jr. is that you automatically and instinctively look at everything through a racial lens. Everything they come up with or every problem in society....you automatically and instinctively recognize it as just another trick or problem created by the racists to cause confusion. When it comes to sex and dating, the sexual confusion you're seeing is NO ACCIDENT. The confusion and problems you see between so many Black men and Black women today finding eachother attractive enough to meet up and fuck is no accident. It was purposely orchestrated and is just another tool of the racists to cause confusion among our people so that White men will be able to continue procreating and spreading their seed without the competition of Black men trying to fuck the same women THEY are trying to....lol.

I didn't know the main stream media outlets had a "right" to the Whitehouse anyway. I thought it was all at the pleasure of whoever was in office. Freedom of speech and press means freedom from being imprisoned or prosecuted for what you write....not freedom of access.

Gotcha. Right now, Democrats have to deal with competing factions under big tent. The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) movement is getting a lot of attention. Somehow, Democratic leadership has to corral the performers under the big top. Hopefully, whoever emerges as the Democratic nominee for POTUS will be able to pull it all together. It would stand to reason that winning back the House & Senate could lead to policies in a different direction. However, POTUS OJ seems to running with scissors regardless of Congressional approval. Of course, the GOP is going to rubber stamp whatever he wants to do. But, the Democrats aren't throwing up major opposition either. They haven't really brought anything to the floor. A democratic Senate could stall appointments & impede laws. Remains to be seen. Best to hope for at this point is POTUS OJ runs out of gas in less than 2 years.😎

AI, being the impersonal entity that it is, will recognize that its efficiency will negatively affect a large element of the human population. It will foresee this and make the necessary adjustments, realizing that replacing people will inevitably lead to their extinction, an occurrence that could be the forerunner of AI eliminating its ownself out of existence. It will then correct itself and revert back to square one to ensure its own survival! 🤓

@ProfD I always appreciate your feedback. What I was really implying in regard to the black vote was that the enthusiastic endorsement of black voters can be neutralized by a negative reaction from middle of the road white voters who are turned off by the double edged sword of "wokeness". To defeat the white conservatives aka MAGAS, Dems have to champion the moderation which represents the silent majority of Americans, not disgruntled special interest groups. Winning back the House and Senate should be the first order of business. Then policies can be addressed. imo.

Right. Hopefully, the Universal Basic Income (UBI) will mitigate rampant depression, substance abuse & other reckless behavior as a result of unemployment or under-employment. Humans are adaptable creatures. They will figure out how to survive & thrive in a world where they may no longer have to work for a living.😎