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Chris I completely understand the difference between the two types of schools. I've sent kids to Syracuse University (SU) and The College of WIlliam and Mary (W&M), both schools have D1 football programs, both schools send athletes to the NFL. But the two program have insignificant differences: Tickets to an SU game can cost students over $100. Tickets to a W&M game are free for students. SU spends perhaps an order of magnitude more than W&M to maintain their program. SU, with there 50K seat domed arena, is analogous to a professional team in the region. I've seen high school with larger football stadiums than W&M's; W&M is more like an intramural program in comparison to SU. For these reasons and more I'll argue that W&M serves the Black student athlete better than SU, Yes, I'm talking about schools with the top programs. Because they have the best teams, are televised far more often, and are the programs most desired by high school athletes. I'm also talking about these school because they do the most damage, as the data shows. Yes! It is these schools, focused strongly on generating revenue, like an SU, that are the problems. I'm not talking about schools than don't give athletic scholarships, or run intramural programs, or don't otherwise exploit Black students. I'm not painting all college programs with the same broad brush. Can we draw that distinction here? I was a D1 athlete. I think athletics are great when it is not exploitive, as the top football programs in the country are. I prefer to use outside sources when looking at this subject. The NCAA's information is propaganda, generated to make itself look good--naturally. In fact Chris, you pointed out some differences in the way the NCAA tracks graduation rates. Of course this differences tend to make graduation rate look better and mask the problems I'm pointing out. But after reading what you wrote as far regarding the BCS schools, and they being the minor league for the NFL, I see we are on agreement for these programs. Players in the de facto minor leagues should be financially compensated--especially if they are not going to be educated. The Message Board This might sound like a jacked up thing to say, but if I depended upon the support of my family and friends for the success of this site, I would not have a business. But while I'm sure some of it is because of "hate," I think most of it is due to a simple lack of interest in Black literature or books in general. Now could more of my family and friends could go out their way to promote the site to those that might have an interest in the site's subject--even though they have no interest themselves, of course. Some do, but the vast majority don't. Are those that don;t haters? I dunno...maybe. Maybe they are just lazy. Some suggest that I should tell my family or friends, more frequently, or aggressively, what they need to do to support the site if they care anything about me. But making the that kind of appeal, to my family and friends, more than once, is not in my nature. @CDBurns how supportive of your businesses have you family and friends been? Do you find the kind of hate that you feel plagues me? FORTUNATELY, I do get a great deal of support from folks who I don't know, for from people I'm only acquainted with, or from people I've discovered through the site. You, Cynique, Pioneer and Harry, for example, have been for more supportive of this site than anyone outside my nuclear family. And you have all been for more supportive of this discussion forums than ANY of y family and friends. You still make these forums interesting, and by extension you help make the discussion forums possible--which benefits other writers and readers in ways Ihe may describe in more detail in another post. The ability to aggregate support from those outside the immediate influence of family and friends is what makes the web so powerful, and it sadly is a power we largely choose not to use.

Chris I'm not dwelling on the negative, I'm pointing it out. As you know much of what I do highlights the great many things Black folks have accomplished. I'm with you on your points #1 and #2, point #3 regarding solutions warrants deeper consideration. You can't develop a solution to fix something if aren't even aware anything is broken. I submit one of the main reasons things don't get better for most of us is that we simply don't know that something is wrong.. If we happen to know something is wrong, we have no clue what the causes are. Even after knowing there is a problem and what the causes are, people may still choose not to do anything about it because implementing a solution might be hard, uncomfortable, or require sacrifice... Like the problem of addressing global warming. If the victims of the lottery, tobacco companies, predatory lenders, college athletics, and the Huffington Post, don't recognize they are being victimized, then things can only get worse... much worse. Of course I recognize not everyone will die from cancer or heart disease from smoking but this fact does not make cigarette smoking a good thing. Now the NCAA, who is responsible for ensuring that Black boys continue to be victimized, is a propaganda machine, plain and simple. Chris a couple of studies have shown (I quoted figures in an earlier above) a far less rosy picture than what NCAA does. One of the conclusions of from the study I linked to says “Perhaps nowhere in higher education is the disenfranchisement of Black male students more insidious than in college athletics” So the fact of the matter is Black student athletes at the most desireable programs graduate at a lower rate than Black non-student athletes. Again, we can't even begin to deal with this problems without recognizing that there is indeed a problem. The fact that this is a serious problem shouldn't even be up for debate, but again most people are oblivious to what is going on.

This is definitely a subject visitors to this site find important. There is another title, The Tithing Hoax, which is the #4 all time bestselling book on this website--and this was without promotion. In fact, I discovered the book based upon sales alone.

I hear you Chris and I too celebrate our successes, but if we ignore the reality of how we are being exploited we will continue to be exploited. Black boys, among the top 25 BCS schools, are 3% their school's student bodies, but 60% of the football players. Only 1/2 of these students will gradate in 6 years. The figures at many HBCUs are far worse. I have only anecdotal data to support this but I suspect most of the degrees awarded do not serve these boys very well. We also know many of these students take no show classes; and are given degrees that are essentially worthless. Despite the propaganda the NCAA propagates. Meanwhile, these young men make millions for their "schools" and their coaches earn exorbitant salaries often taking home more than the school's chancellor. This is not a matter of seeing the glass half full or half empty. This is objectively a bad situation for black student athletes collectively, and this is how we have to treat it Anything less is a disservice. But I guess we enjoy rooting for our home team so much we really don't care about our own exploitation. I won't even go into the physical toll and brain damage many of these boys will suffer. A handful widely successful pros or a free "education," does not justify this exploitation. This is one reason students athletes must be paid for their service in additional to being properly educated. Again, this is no different than the argument I make against the huffington posts model of exploiting writers, or how Amazon, Google, and Facebook, lift content from wikipedia and use it for for profit--content that people have written for free. The real cost of this is everything we will loose as a result this exploitative environment dominated by a handful of corporations. The student athlete that would have graduated with a meaningful degree, the terrific website we will never see, or the great discussion forums that will never launch. We think what we have is good, but it could be so much better... especially for us.

Oh OK. I just did a search on this site for info on the Seminole Wars, and the only results point back to the conversations we had here. I did a quick search on Amazon for books on the subject and they all a appear to be written by white men. When I get a chance I'll research a good book on the subject and add it to the website. It is too important an aspect of Black history not to have a book on the subject here on the site.

OK, Facebook got me today. Every time I log in to Facebook to reply to responses to my posts, I see photos posted from several years ago; from a time when I actively shared personal shots on the platform, appear at the top of my wall. The two images below were there this morning: Both shots were taken in a brownstone (a large townhouse, attached on both sides) I owned in Harlem for about 10 years. During that time I hosted a number of events. I held film screenings in my backyard, a reading series called the Brownstone Series, and for over a year I hosted a photography exhibit. The image on the left is me giving a tour of the photo exhibit of Black writers. The image on the right was taken about 7 years ago, but it could have been taken 15 years ago or today. My morning routine is largely unchanged; a cup of coffee, the newspaper, and me parked behind the screen of a computer. I've sacrificed the brownstone, a well-paying corporate gig, to be able to run AALBC.com full time, so I don't host events now. Money from a good paying job, hosting events, and a big home are nice too but these would be sufficient to motivate me to dedicate the time and energy needed to run an AALBC.com. For the past year, I've probably put in 60 hours a week or more to upgrading the website. I would never have done this for a corporation. While I've had some interesting corporate gigs over the years, I've never cared enough about any of them to put in the amount of energy I put into AALBC.com. I know part of my motivation is freedom. Since I've been running AALBC.com I have pretty much-done anything I wanted to do. In recent years this has meant some financial pressures. But what is the alternative? To get another 9 to 5? One could make a good argument that would be a great idea and that I'm spoiled. No one has ever said that to me; it is an internal battle. The culture judges folks not by what they do, but how much money they have. Over the course of running AALBC.com, I've met many brilliant people who were close to being impoverished. I know brilliance is not a function of the amount of money one has amassed, but being part of the corporate world for over two decades, this is a mentality that I've fought hard get rid of over the years. I also know how much one makes is definitely not a function of the relative value they provide. Indeed many, particularly in financial services, cause great damage while reaping tremendous personal wealth. Still, people are judged on wealth regardless of how it was acquired. More importantly, money is also a source of power, without it, you can't accomplish much. Money has to be a function of what I do, but again it is not the driver. I also know I'm motivated by doing something that is positive for Black folks. I know some Black folks like to say, "Black people are not a monolith." To me, that person is trying to communicate that they are not part of larger Black community, that they are somehow different, better perhaps. Meanwhile Black owned business disappear and the opportunities for poor Black to escape their situation go the same route. Black folks have to be a monolith if we are ever going to do something for not just ourselves, but the most impoverished amongst us. Hmmm... all I intended to do was post a couple of photos and keep it moving, but looking at them conjures up these thoughts and more. If you've read this far thanks for indulging me.

You are welcome Dee, and I'm glad you accepted my unprofessional opinion in the spirit that it was intended. You can a post that is quite feature rich, including videos. While there is a limit no the size, no one has ever exceeded it. If you create an account you can copy and paste from a formatted document, like MS Word, and most of the formatting will be preserved. Thanks for sharing.

Chris I would be very careful in confusing what we practice here in the United States with capitalism. What we have is an oligarchy; in which a handful of people control everything. This is not capitalism, nor is it democratic. Our friends at Google can put me out of business tomorrow. But worse there is NOTHING that any other Black person, or group of Black people, who would do to stop it. Of course this does not have to be the case, but we lack the desire to control our own destinies. So for now, I serve at the largess of Google. Also, and please consider this carefully, when you write, "... in small pockets their [sic] are extraordinary success stories and they are becoming more common." This is a myth. Yes there are some successes, but they exist to create the illusion that success is possible, which is necessary to keep the ponzi scheme going. It is worse than the myth of professional sports, where Black kids in schools across the nation believe they have a chance to become a professional football player. Sure there is a chance, but it extremely slim and even if they make it they'll last on average 2.5 years. The result is that so much talent that could have been used in other ways is wasted in pursuit of something that is unlikely. The kid who wasted their time pursuing football would have been better off doing something with their brain... The same goes for musicians it is fall less likely for a musician to make a good living today than it was in 1990. Again, there are successes we can all point to but the reality is that there are a great many very talented musician who will stuck struggling with the dream of making it. The same goes for webmasters of Black book websites. This is no different the lottery, sure someone will win, but the VAST majority of us will loose. It makes no financial sense for anyone to play the lottery given the odds. But again the marketing and promotion of it dupes us into believing that it makes perfect sense to play. Indeed I'm sure someone reading this is thinking what harm does the lottery cause--and that is my point. The amount of wealth the lottery extracts from poor communities is staggering! Nothing is returned to the community as a result--except for a pipe dream. We aren't even the ones who profit from the sales of lottery tickets in most cases! You know you are in a poor community when you go into a grocery store, run by someone not black, and the most prominent thing you see is a lottery machine and cigarettes. We are in a battle for the very minds of our people. Our biggest problem is we don't even recognize who our opponent is...

On October 10th, we in the Black community, celebrate Dr. Ivan Van Sertima. His master work, THEY CAME BEFORE COLUMBUS, is required reading in our community. It should be read by all Americans. Ivan Van Sertima builds a pyramid of evidence to support his claim of an African presence in the New World centuries before Columbus. Combining impressive scholarship with a novelist s gift for storytelling, Van Sertima re-creates some of the most powerful scenes of human history: the launching of the great ships of Mali in 1310 (two hundred master boats and two hundred supply boats), the sea expedition of the Mandingo king in 1311, and many others. In They Came Before Columbus, we see clearly the unmistakable face and handprint of black Africans in pre-Columbian America, and their overwhelming impact on the civilizations they encountered.

"Unrelenting" LOL! The other stuff seems pretty insightful, I don't know how accurate it is, but if it was right on the money, I would not be surprised at all. If Sara did write a book on the seminole wars, it defies logic that she never posted information about it here. It wasn't that Sara wanted to put a positive spin on all things Chicago, it had to be the positive spin her way. This is what made it literally impossible for me to dialog with her. Recall I wrote Chicago, not Harlem, should be considered the Black capital I sited things like Ebony, Third World Press, etc, and Sara disputed and shot down my reasoning by citing some inconsequential mural, as if I was unfamiliar with either city. Still I learned some things as a result of Sara posting if not directly, indirectly; while I was familiar with the seminole wars, I was promoted to look into it more as a result of Sara's posts, and learned more about them as a result. President Jackson was a busy and wicked little devil... I think the Sara experience also helped me become a better moderator too

It took me 17 years to create the first 1,00 author profiles, but just 8 months to create the next 1,500. Of course the profiles are at varying degrees of completeness at this point, but the scope, and potential of the website has increased by orders of magnitude in recent months Of course I'm at the mercy of big websites like Google and the support of my target audience, but things look promising!

Hi Dee, Thanks for contributing your poetry. I'm far from a poet critic but here are my comments. How the poem appears of the page matters I've guessed at how the poem should look and have pasted it below. The poem is quite literal, but for me it makes me think about the whole issue of "no" means "No" as it related to rape. You defy the political correctness of the cast-in-stone, "No means no" with the more realistic and nuanced; No can mean really mean yes depending on the timing . What sentiment did you intend to convey? Timing is everything when 'No' means 'Yes' No means yes when he places his lips on the left side of her neck, just below her ear gently places his hands on the small of her back and presses her body against his so close that she can hear his every breath and she tingles from the full body workout. Timing is everything when 'No' means 'Yes' No means yes when she moans in delight as his tongue gently surveys the inside of her mouth in search of her 'spot' and she submits to the pleasure. Timing is everything when 'No' means 'Yes'. No means yes when he places her body on top of his, and SHE takes control placing his hands over his head, looks into his eyes and say 'It's time'.

…“gossiping over the back fence or dishing dirt at the beauty shop, solving the world's problems in the barbershop or shootin the bull at a pool hall, praisin the lord in church or fellow shipping with friends, bringing snapshots to work or sharing favorite dishes, having a heated conversation at a cocktail party or an argument with your brother-in-law at Thanksgiving dinner” That's it Cynique! I have a buddy that makes this argument and as result embraces social media--he is all in. Again the problem I have is that social media has monetized this natural human activity that you've described so well. They have monetized it to the point that all other indie site must struggle and fight to survive. Again Black sites must fight harder than any others, because we lack the supportive infrastructure that majority run indies run have. This is why I have opted out, for the most part, of social media for personal use and I limit my activity for business matters to posting links to my website (btw thanks for sharing ). I simply refuse to contribute to my own demise... Still, I don't assume Facebook will continue to be as popular as it is today, next year, or in five years. Now I know the typical Facebook user does not care about this stuff but, we know Facebook's reach for publishers is down; this article calculates by 42%. Facebook has one significant difference than the other massive websites like Amazon or Google: I have only paid Facebook, while I have gotten a check from Amazon and Google every month for well over a decade. Plus Google drives more traffic to AALBC.com than Facebook ever will. Companies like Facebook are like Ponzi schemes; they can't continue forever, extracting wealth from people and return nothing in return. Now if Facebook starts paying people in some fashion I'll feel differently. Until then we will continue to be taken to taken to the cleaners.

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There are certainly more than enough smart Black people out there to participate on this forum to a greater degree than we see today. Indeed, it is not like the people who used to participate here got dumb all of a sudden. Besides the site is not limited to just Black folks, and you don't exactly have to be a member of Mensa in order to get something out participation. Rather, I think our best and brightest tend to prefer the large corporate sites. As Jaron Lanier says, and I paraphrase, the one with the biggest computer wins. Couple this with the fact that Black folks tend to marginalize Black owned entities and you have an have an environment that is tough for an indie website and essentially hostile for a Black owned one. I've seen actual geniuses, like Ishmael Reed, write at length on Facebook. They write stuff that Facebook can give a shit about, that I love to have here on this site. But when asked it they would post something here, they simply won't do it. Now these are people who I actively support and whose books I sell. But they refuse to lift a finger to support AALBC.com. I've griped about this in the past, but image how all the Black owned entities would benefit, if all the terrific Black writers lining up to write for the HuffPost for free decided to write for sites like AALBC.com? Again those with the biggest computer wins, but at what cost? HuffPost gobbled up BlackVoices then buried it. Sadly the most prominent Black websites are not owned by Black people. Still, I appreciate that AALBC.com in general content is written at too high a level to appeal to the masses. In general I need to "webify" my content: it needs to written for someone with a 5th grade education, short articles, big text, videos, images, large text, click baity headings etc. The HuffPOst has nailed all of these things: I'm aware of all of these issues, I also understand the growth of mobile has put increased pressure to eliminate long form articles, as they are harder to read on this platforms. But again, there more than enough people who want something more than this. In fact, it is those people who have helped AALBC.com last this long. AALBC.com only grows with their support--your support. Plus AALBC.com is more likely to actually pay a writer. But if good writers decide to write for the Huffington Post, or Facebook for free, why should I pay them for the same content? When writers give rich corporate sites content for free they hurt themselves and other writers. So a byline in the HuffPost or a bunch of likes on Facebook may feel good, but it does nothing for us as a people. I live for the day when the Ish Reeds of the world (not trying to pick on Reed he just popped into my mind first), get the same feeling of seeing their work on an AALBC.com has they do on Facebook. As far a collaborative effort on a book I'm down for that. I hope to being publishing books next year. Maybe this project could be one of them.

As a society we have chosen wealth over virtue. The idea dedicate far less resources to more virtuous activities like education than we do selling cigarettes. It is why Trump is close to becoming president. Sadly we are exporting this belief system around the world. Perhaps this is way some cultures are so anti-american.

History Before the World Wide Web (WWW) became available to the general public discussion forums were quite popular on privately run bulletin boards. Operating these bulletin board required a high level of technical expertise and an significant investment of time and money to manage. Even the participants had to be tech savvy just to participate. Later corporate run platforms like AOL and CompuServe stepped in and made things much easier for everyone. Running forums, and participating in them, was made a lot easier. Of course you had to play by the rules laid down by the corporations, plus they charged monthly fee just to participate. The opening of the WWW allowed anyone with a bit of technical skill and a little bit of money to create their own discussion forums. You no longer needed a corporation. People happily ditched the fees, rules, corporate oversight, and enjoyed the benefits creating unique forums. The additional benefits for those starting their own forums was that they and their participants had the freedom to determine the subjects and the rules for participation. As a result, one could find discussion forums filled with other kindred spirits on virtually any subject. It was in this environment in which our forums Thumper Corner, and later Cynique's corner, thrived. The Rise of Social Media In the age of social media now anyone can setup a discussion forum—absolutely no technical skill is required and it is all free. As a result, the number of groups exploded. One Facebook alone there are more forums dedicated to Black books than I can keep track of. Indeed, the level of granularity on Facebook is down to the individual. Individuals have their own discussion forums—with themselves as the subject. It was during this period were AALBC.com's saw it steepest decline in participation. Today some of the old participants here are now active on social media. Interestingly, it is not as if social media provides a better or even equivalent substitute to the discussion forum. None of the Black book forums or groups I've participated on social media have come close to Thumper's Corner in terms quality of conversation on books. The forums were also read much more extensively by non-participants (lurkers). There is no social media platform where one can post a comment with formatting as simple as what yiu are reading here. The vast majority of groups I've seen on Facebook are just used by others to self-promote. I too use those groups for this purpose. It takes almost about 2 seconds to share something on a Facebook group—you don't even have to go to the group. Many tout the benefits of Goodreads, but I don't use Goodreads at all. It reminds me of the AOL days where you are greatly constrained on what you can post. You can't even post a hyperlink back to your website. At the end of the day all of these corporate websites invest a great deal of effort in keeping you on their platforms, and they do a great job. Perhaps it is not that Thumper's Corner has been replicated on social media, social media provides a different and superior value proposition. If that is the case, someone please explain it to me for I can't see what is superior about social media. I won't even get into the issues of supporting Black owned entities, how social media invades your privacy, or any of the myriad of other adverse issues I can raise regarding social media. I think we have lost more than we have gained during the rise of social media. I did not feel this way 5 years ago. It took time for me to understand what was happening and to see how things have played out. Other Reasons for the Decline of Participation Our Our Forums I'm not sure the rise of social media is the only reason for the decline in the popularity of the Thumper's Corner discussion forum. Thumper's Corner's heyday also corresponded with a surge in popularity of African American literature in general. Also during Thumper Corner's prime we also managed an online book club* (The Coffee Will Make You Black), under the leadership of Thumper himself. The online book club ended in 2006, this too certainly put downward pressure on discussion forum participation. *A decade ago managing the platform required a great deal of my time. I often did not have time to even read the books. But today with AALBC.com being my full time job, my kids grown, and the AALBC.com website being greatly improved, managing a book club would be much easier. In 2017 I plan to recruit and Book Club Manager (if you ave any recommendation for this role, please let me know. Most people really don't like their ideals challenged. On Facebook I can't tell you how many times I've read someone boast how they are blocking someone because they posted something that they disagreed with. In almost 20 years I have never banned anyone from these forums for saying something I disagreed with. Banned for being a troll, spamming, or obsessively vulgar and rude yes. But for saying something that I don't like, disagree with, or is unpopular—never. That would defeat the purpose of these forums. Sometimes that opinion I starting our disagreeing with is one that I later embraced. This is how people grow and learn. Growth and learning are fundamentally the my goals for these forums; which is one reason I'll keep 'em going. I'd be willing to bet money these forums will outlive Facebook.

Thanks Cynique. We all try to do better...that is about all we can do since no one is perfect. I'm always wary of people who have to tell you how smart they are. This should be self-evident. Simply saying you are "a published author" means nothing without seeing the actual product. Over the better part of the last two decades selling books I've seen a lot of garbage. Besides being published does not make you a decent human being...

I can't give Sara any grief on her English given the many typos I make (I just fixed 5 typoes in my last post). Besides I have no expectation of error free typing unless the message is unclear because of it. Personally I found Sara impossible to communicate with. I stopped engaging with her months ago, and I've long stopped trying to understand her motivation for participating on this forum. I do know she had no interest in exchanging ideas, or learning anything. But that would not make her any different than most people... If she is actually a published author I think she missed a great opportunity here. The fact that I have no clue who she is or what books she has written is a colossal waste, because at the very least I would have created a presence for her on the website at no cost and used any opportunity to promote her work where it made sense. But I have to say I never did understand why you felt it necessary to exchange barbs with her. I wished I started deleting those earlier on, but I actually thought you two were having a bit of immature fun. The other problem is when people read these types of base exchanges they get intimidated, turned off, and are less likely to join the fray. Obviously, I have no problem with a heated debate, but the ongoing tit-for-tat, back and forth, that every conversation between you and Sara devolved into was a waste of everyone's time and it more difficult to read the more interesting parts of a conversation. The idea that Harry's post on Nat Turner could so so quickly devolve into you being called a "ni--er bi-ch" is disturbing. It seemed like a bad pattern was just getting worse. That was something I wanted to prevent.

Did I mention you can purchase Woodson's titles directly from Black Classic press for an enjoy a 30% discount until October 31? Replace "Negros" with African American, and this quote would work perfectly today!

Black writers are over represented (again) on the list of finalists for National Book Awards. This really is something positive in the world of books. Of course this by no means makes our for a couple of centuries of marginalization in the book world. It will take a lot longer to make up for that. I can say that the National Book Foundation is doing their part to make a positive impact in the world of books.

That is just it Cynique running for the Presidency is like a relativity TV show, pure entertainment and no substance. I think a system that would put ether of these two in the position to be the president is profoundly flawed, and the nation will get the short end of the stick. It seems no intelligent, righteous, ethical person would subject themselves to the gauntlet that is running for POTUS in this social media crazed, 24-per-day news cycle age. We are a culture that values symbols over substance. I'm sure the polls will illustrate how serious a problem this has become. If Donald wins the problems could be more serious than I imaged. Meanwhile here in Florida, the land of Trumpettes, we are looking at the potential for 150 mph sustained winds.

@Sara I'll unblock your account to give you the opportunity to remove your posts and delete your account (you created it, you delete it). While Cynique did not feel I should block you based upon that last post, I disagreed for a number of reasons. But I'll give you one. I have no interest in providing a platform for a Black woman to refer to another Black woman (an esteemed elder no less), in the language that you used. I let a lot of stuff go, but even I have to draw the line somewhere. There is no justification for it, and I won't tolerate it here. If you want to trash another Black woman using that kind of language, go to Twitter, and have a blast. If you decide not to delete your account and continue posting, that is up to you, just keep the above in mind.

As I spend countless hours over the last few days in the tedious task of migrating content to my database I've been listening to Youtube videos. The following is of journlist and writer Christopher Hitchens who discusses in great detail the criminal activity of Bill Clinton Man if you listen to Hitchens go on about Bill Clinton, I'm not sure confident he would vote for Hillary as Sam Harris seems to be. Now Hillary is not Bill, but sheesh she supported and presumably had knowledge of everything he did, and even ran with her own schemes. I see now that Frank and Clare from Netflix's House of Cards are based upon Bill and Hillary. It did not dawn on me until now, but it seems obvious now...

Yeah I thought you might enjoy this @Cynique While this was an all out attack and there is really nothing I can say to dispute him. The point he made about preferring a random person off the street to Donald Trump as president is one I'd actually agree with. It really would have been very interesting to hear Hitchen's take on Hillary/Trump fiasco.