Maybe We ARE Better Off With Republicans Controlling The Government

[Pioneer1]

Perhaps all of these Black Conservatives and MAGA supporters are starting to have an influence on me too, lol.

I'm beginning to wonder if it IS actually better to have Trump or Conservative Republicans (Trump IS NOT a Conservative)  in charge of the government for a while INSTEAD of these so-called "progressive" Democrats.

Why?

We know Republicans tend to be more OPENLY racist, however their racism seems to engulf ALL groups who aren't Anglo Saxon and their agenda seem to be pretty clear.

With the Democrats, it seems like most other groups like Latinos, LGBT, and feminist organizations seem to stand the most to gain while AfroAmericans....especially AfroAmerican men....are being left out.

It used to be the Liberals spent tons of money on government programs that helped ALL poor people.
Now these government programs have been designed and crafted to go to SPECIFIC groups that skirt around most Black people, especially Black men.

In other words....
Instead of building more government housing around the country so that ALL people who need a place to stay can just check into a modest apartment either rent free or low rent like they were doing under Roosevelt...
They aren't building SHIT anymore.
Instead, they'll spend BILLIONS on Section 8 programs to move people into houses and apartments to make the landlords rich and they'll pay HALF of your rent or a QUARTER of your rent BUT you have to either be an abused woman, an immigrant, a woman with children, a non-felon, or some other specially seclected group that most AfroAmerican men don't fit the description of.
Meanwhile you have Black men who are homeless laying on the street or in alleys with no shelter.

Billions of dollars spent and NOT going to those who need it the most.
 

Instead of pushing for UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE, so-called Progressive promote bullshit ideas like "Obamacare" where billions of dollars are being spent to make PRIVATE INSURANCE companies rich and makes for more confusion as to who will pay the fees for your healthcare provider OR force you to go with your companies healthcare provider if you have a job.

Just billions of dollars spent to add to more confusion.

That's not "progressive".


On a personal level......

When I've worked under conservative White bosses, I tended to get along with them much better than when I worked under Latino or Arab or Asian bosses.
Almost all of the Latino, Asian, or Arab bosses I've had would talk about White people to me.
I'm not sure if they did that as some sort of psychological trick to make me feel better or more comfortable around them...but nearly all of them did.
But despite them dissing and talking about White folks, many if not most of them seemed to be harder and more critical of their Black employees THAN the White folks they talked about.

Atleast White folks...including the conservative ones...TRIED to PRETEND to be fair and non-bias to their employees.
Most Arab, Latino, and Asian bosses almost OPENLY showed favoritism to their respective racial/ethnic employees over others.


They say an enemy "recognized" is an enemy half defeated already.
I prefer my racists out in the open and clearly identifying themselves.

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Billions of dollars spent and NOT going to those who need it the most.

Neither political party is putting money into the pockets of Black men.

 

An open racist definitely won't be offering tangible benefits.

 

The question is what makes a racist an enemy and under what conditions or circumstances is there a declaration of war.

 

[umbrarchist]

A nice thing about Trump being elected is that it dramatically and irrefutably demonstrates how stupid a lot of White people are.

 

Now we have to try to survive the bullshit.

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[ProfD]

59 minutes ago, umbrarchist said:

A nice thing about Trump being elected is that it dramatically and irrefutably demonstrates how stupid a lot of White people are.

Not a good idea to get them stirred up. They might burn a building down.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Neither political party is putting money into the pockets of Black men.

 

True.
However perhaps a more openly racist and conservative government will FORCE a lot of AfroAmericans to do for self instead of expecting something from the government or White people in general.

Perhaps taking that "hope" and "expectation" away will force a lot of our people into more realistic thinking.

 

An open racist definitely won't be offering tangible benefits.

 

No.
But the good thing is that they clear up the confusion.

 

One of the tactics of the Racists is the use of DECEPTION.
Making you think they're your friends and on your side and looking out for you, when they really aren't.

Atleast hostile openly racists remove that veil so you can clearly see who they are and know where they stand.

If Kamala got in office, not only would it be just one more example of an AfroAmerican woman with a White husband standing by her side grinning, for Black girls to look up to.....but with her and the Democrats in office you'd continue to have the same old Asians, Latinos, and LGBT getting more benefits while our community remained relatively stagnant.
Because THOSE are the groups the Democrats have been looking out for lately.


 

 

The question is what makes a racist an enemy and under what conditions or circumstances is there a declaration of war.

 

1. ALL anti-Black racists are enemies, to us.

2. Perhaps you declare war ONLY when you have the ABILITY to fight one, lol.

Look at what's happening in the Middle East between the Arabs and Israel.
Is that a "war" or is that a beat down?

 

 

 

 

 

 

umbrarchist

 

A nice thing about Trump being elected is that it dramatically and irrefutably demonstrates how stupid a lot of White people are.

 

Is it that those White people who support Trump are "stupid"?
Or is it that a lot of OUR people are stupid for not understanding what Trump's White supporters REALLY value?
 

In other words....

Perhaps we THINK that his White supporters should value things like affordable healthcare, good jobs, etc...so when they support Republicans who don't promote these benefits....we think those White supporters are "stupid" for voting against their own "interests".

But when you realize that most White people's interests are NOT affordable healthcare or good jobs...but RACISM and OPPRESSION.
Then you can understand how voting for Trump IS in their "best interests" because THAT'S what they're truly interested in.

Most White people will REFUSE Universal Healthcare to their own detriment...if it means YOU get to benefit from it the same as them.

 

Most White people would rather see jobs go over seas and the economy COLLAPSE, before seeing YOU take advantage of those jobs and living just as well or better than them.

 

 

[ProfD]

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

However perhaps a more openly racist and conservative government will FORCE a lot of AfroAmericans to do for self instead of expecting something from the government or White people in general.

Perhaps taking that "hope" and "expectation" away will force a lot of our people into more realistic thinking.

AfroAmericans should not have to be forced into taking care of themselves.  We should have the initiative and desire.

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

One of the tactics of the Racists is the use of DECEPTION.
Making you think they're your friends and on your side and looking out for you, when they really aren't.

Atleast hostile openly racists remove that veil so you can clearly see who they are and know where they stand.

We don't have to worry about racists if we're already powerful and standing on business.

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Because THOSE are the groups the Democrats have been looking out for lately.

I hope that AfroAmericans will learn a lesson from the last election.  Vote for politicians who are willing to put money in their pockets.  No confusion.

 

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

1. ALL anti-Black racists are enemies, to us.

2. Perhaps you declare war ONLY when you have the ABILITY to fight one, lol.

Look at what's happening in the Middle East between the Arabs and Israel.
Is that a "war" or is that a beat down?

Being prepared for war is paramount.  Fear doesn't win.  There is no honor in being a coward. 

 

People who are afraid do not stand or fight for anything.  They have to deal with whatever the enemy chooses to give or not.

 

From other posts, you've alluded to living in prison with some benefits as a better alternative to death.  That's your VGQ.

 

Clearly, the folks in the Middle East do not share your position.  Same goes for the Ukrainians and other groups of people who fight for their principles, beliefs and freedom.

 

White folks look at war, death and destruction as the cost of doing business to maintain power.

[KENNETH]

On 11/19/2024 at 5:23 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Perhaps all of these Black Conservatives and MAGA supporters are starting to have an influence on me too, lol.

I'm beginning to wonder if it IS actually better to have Trump or Conservative Republicans (Trump IS NOT a Conservative)  in charge of the government for a while INSTEAD of these so-called "progressive" Democrats.

Why?

We know Republicans tend to be more OPENLY racist, however their racism seems to engulf ALL groups who aren't Anglo Saxon and their agenda seem to be pretty clear.

With the Democrats, it seems like most other groups like Latinos, LGBT, and feminist organizations seem to stand the most to gain while AfroAmericans....especially AfroAmerican men....are being left out.

It used to be the Liberals spent tons of money on government programs that helped ALL poor people.
Now these government programs have been designed and crafted to go to SPECIFIC groups that skirt around most Black people, especially Black men.

In other words....
Instead of building more government housing around the country so that ALL people who need a place to stay can just check into a modest apartment either rent free or low rent like they were doing under Roosevelt...
They aren't building SHIT anymore.
Instead, they'll spend BILLIONS on Section 8 programs to move people into houses and apartments to make the landlords rich and they'll pay HALF of your rent or a QUARTER of your rent BUT you have to either be an abused woman, an immigrant, a woman with children, a non-felon, or some other specially seclected group that most AfroAmerican men don't fit the description of.
Meanwhile you have Black men who are homeless laying on the street or in alleys with no shelter.

Billions of dollars spent and NOT going to those who need it the most.
 

Instead of pushing for UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE, so-called Progressive promote bullshit ideas like "Obamacare" where billions of dollars are being spent to make PRIVATE INSURANCE companies rich and makes for more confusion as to who will pay the fees for your healthcare provider OR force you to go with your companies healthcare provider if you have a job.

Just billions of dollars spent to add to more confusion.

That's not "progressive".


On a personal level......

When I've worked under conservative White bosses, I tended to get along with them much better than when I worked under Latino or Arab or Asian bosses.
Almost all of the Latino, Asian, or Arab bosses I've had would talk about White people to me.
I'm not sure if they did that as some sort of psychological trick to make me feel better or more comfortable around them...but nearly all of them did.
But despite them dissing and talking about White folks, many if not most of them seemed to be harder and more critical of their Black employees THAN the White folks they talked about.

Atleast White folks...including the conservative ones...TRIED to PRETEND to be fair and non-bias to their employees.
Most Arab, Latino, and Asian bosses almost OPENLY showed favoritism to their respective racial/ethnic employees over others.


They say an enemy "recognized" is an enemy half defeated already.
I prefer my racists out in the open and clearly identifying themselves.

 

Remember if you really want what's best for black people including black men or anyone else who works hard Democrats are far from perfect. However you won't get a hearing from the Republican Right including Trump and MAGA with their fake Populism.

 

Black men and women work hard and belong to unions,  also work low paying jobs, have good paying Federal jobs, and own all kinds of businesses that benefit from contracts through DEI programs. 

Trump and Republicans want to undermine organized labor, oppose raising the Minimum Wage, scale back the Federal government, and end DEI initiatives. This hurts all Black people. 

 

We can pressure Democrats and get a hearing. The Republican Right doesn't give a damn. They want just enough Black voters to make sure Democrats lose. As far as racists and systemic racism are concerned as I always say there's no substitute for struggle.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

AfroAmericans should not have to be forced into taking care of themselves.  We should have the initiative and desire.

 

I'm with you.
I agree we SHOULDN'T have to be forced into doing it; but many if not most DO have to be.

 

We don't have to worry about racists if we're already powerful and standing on business.

 

Hey mayne, I'm still riding with you....up in the front seat!

Like you said, if we're powerful and standing on business we DON'T have to worry about racists!

 

Guess what?

Our people BETTER start worrying about the racists...lol.

 

 

 

Being prepared for war is paramount.  Fear doesn't win.  There is no honor in being a coward. 

Well.....
While he's thinking about what he COULD have done or what he SHOULD have done if he had the balls to do it...a coward can atleast order a pizza and enjoy it with a beer while thinking, lol.

Is there honor in dying for a LOST cause or for people so silly that they don't even know your name or what you died for as they walk over your body on their way to the liquor store grinning and talking trash to eachother?
 

 

 

 

People who are afraid do not stand or fight for anything.  They have to deal with whatever the enemy chooses to give or not.

 

True in many cases.

 

 

 

 

From other posts, you've alluded to living in prison with some benefits as a better alternative to death.  That's your VGQ.

 

For some people it is...for others it isn't.
It depends on the individual and what they want in life.

 

 

 

Clearly, the folks in the Middle East do not share your position.  Same goes for the Ukrainians and other groups of people who fight for their principles, beliefs and freedom.

 

Clearly.....
And they can CONTINUE to get their asses handed to them in the name of "honor" and "principles".

Russia and Israel do NOT seem to be running out of ammunition.
 

How "honorable" can a man be when he laying on the floor crying infront of his wife and kids after getting his nuts shot off?

In Gaza, you see image after image of grown men with beards breaking down crying infront of their wives and children.
Is that honorable?

Buring your children in shallow graves while the Israeli jets continue to launch strikes on your neighborhood day and night?
Where's the honor?

I'm not making light of their VERY terrible situation nor saying it's good or that they deserve it.
I'm not doing that or saying that AT ALL.

I'm making a point about what happens when you go up against an enemy CLEARLY more powerful than you.

 

 

White folks look at war, death and destruction as the cost of doing business to maintain power.

 

Absolutely.
Why?
Because they actually have some power to MAINTAIN.

A silly and powerless person is just running out into the street to meet their own doom.

But if they're suicidal and WANT to die, then what they're doing makes sense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kenneth

 

Remember if you really want what's best for black people including black men or anyone else who works hard Democrats are far from perfect. However you won't get a hearing from the Republican Right including Trump and MAGA with their fake Populism.

 

I agree.
That's one of the GOOD things about them...no false sense of hope or love.
You KNOW they don't like you and won't do shit for you, so you know if you want it done you MUST do it yourself.

 

Black men and women work hard and belong to unions,  also work low paying jobs, have good paying Federal jobs, and own all kinds of businesses that benefit from contracts through DEI programs.

Trump and Republicans want to undermine organized labor, oppose raising the Minimum Wage, scale back the Federal government, and end DEI initiatives. This hurts all Black people. 

 

2 points:

 

1. While this is true for SOME Black people, MOST Black people don't have those good jobs now.
Back in the 70s, 80s and even the early 90s...yes...most working Black folks had those good jobs.
That's not true today, which leads me to my next point....

 

2. Most of those jobs are held by White women, Latinos, LGBT White folks, and Asians...NOT AfroAmericans as was the case n the past.
So if those programs are gutted, I don't think the AfroAmerican community will feel too much pain from the effects.

Again, MOST AfroAmericans don't have those good "protected" jobs anymore.

 
I hear what you're saying and much of it makes sense, however like you said there's no substitute for struggle.

Relying on "friendly Whites" to help us is NOT struggling.
It actually makes our community lazier and more naive and easily deceived.

 

When we CLEARLY see the enemy (White racists) for what and who they truly are and understand that they aren't going to do ANYTHING to directly benefit us, it FORCES most of us to rely on ourselves and eachother.

 

When we decided to stop waiting on "good White folks" to come and help us and decided to DO FOR SELF...we actually end up with MUCH more Success as a people.  Success beyond what many even imagined!

 

The success of Motown is a good example.

Imagine if Black singers and entertainers hung around Hollywood begging White producers to be accepted and promoted instead of Berry Gordy taking the initiative to find and produce Black talent himself.