My Thoughts On A Patriarchal Society

[Pioneer1]

I was inspired to share my thoughts on this after reading the exchange between richardmurray and Mel in another thread.
 

As a non-religious person I  believe that IDEALLY...males, females, and even those in between (hermaphrodites) should be given full equal rights and share power evenly in society.
Ideally, the only difference in degree of power between individuals would be based on each individual's desires and abilities and not their sex/gender.
However.......((yall knew a "however"  was coming...lol))

AS LONG AS White men rule the world with a Patriarchal system and OTHER races of men rule their societies with a Patriarchal system...I support having a BLACK Patriarchy.

I'll support Egalitarianism for us...which I really DO feel is ideal...when OTHER races of men follow suit and share power with THEIR women too.


An analogy would be when a reporter asked our Brother Malcolm X when he converted to Sunni Islam does he still believe that AfroAmericans should pick up guns to defend themselves, and he told the reporter yes, ofcourse.  
After the reporter asked him why, he basically said...and I'm paraphrasing:
"Well when you tell YOUR people to put down THEIR guns...I'll tell MY people to put down THERE'S"

In other words, don't ask US to take a higher moral ground than YOU'RE willing to take.

Similarly.....

I'm all for the Black woman sharing power and authority equally with the Black man.
Absolutely....
When the White men does it with his woman.
But if society doesn't ask that the White OR the Arab OR the Asian man share power and authority equally with THEIR women...even the WOMEN aren't asking for it in most cases, then why in the world do they want US as Black men, to?


Another analogy would be homosexual rights.
Again, as a non-religious and logical thinker I support the rights of gays and lesbians to do as they please as long as it doesn't harm others, however if you're not in Arabia or Iran or China forcing THEM to accept gay marriage and homosexuality, why are you in Africa trying to force OUR people to accept it?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Again, don't demand moral standards from US that you aren't willing to demand from yourself.




On top of that....
As quiet as it's kept, a lot of women...through nature or conditioning...actually PREFER men in charge and being in power.
It took me years to realize that.
They love strength and courage by NATURE, regardless of what "sounds" fair and good.

No matter what they may SAY out of their mouths, you can look at the GLEAM in a woman's eyes when you defend her or stand up to somebody for her when she was too afraid to do it for herself, and how ATTRACTED she is to you for doing that.
That alone will make you realized that for whatever reason you want to put on it, some women WANT you in charge and in power!
So as long as White men are playing the Patriarchal "macho" role...if we were to make our community Egalitarian...a lot of our women would actually LEAVE our community (as some are doing NOW because it's too "matriarchal" for them) and go to a community where the men are actually dominant and in charge!
 

[umbrarchist]

I found this just before coming back to this site to see if there was a relevant place to post it.

 

 

OK, it looks like I graduated from high school before a lot of the stuff he is bitching about started, but I did not have a high opinion of education then.

 

In my rarely humble opinion Black Americans concentrate on White people too much and not enough on technology and science. It is Technology that made it possible for White people to go around the world taking over land and stealing resources, not their skin color.

 

Now most of Them cannot figure out planned obsolescence in automobiles half-a-century after the Moon landing. Their economists do not tell Them about consumer Depreciation.

 

School was more about psychologically conditioning kids to be subservient to AUTHORITY than empowering their minds to take control of their destinies. (In my humble opinion) We were supposed to be stupid followers.

 

Like all of these MAGA Morons running around loose.

 

I think:

 

Orphans of the Sky &

Citizen of the Galaxy by Robert Heinlein 

 

that I read in grammar school were more rebelliously motivating than The Hunger Games that is mentioned Way more often these days.

 

Everybody should be concentrating on NET WORTH instead of Jobs. Pursuing a Career means being a Cog in the Empire.

 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

AS LONG AS White men rule the world with a Patriarchal system and OTHER races of men rule their societies with a Patriarchal system...I support having a BLACK Patriarchy.

Outside the US, Black countries are patriarchal too.

 

AfroAmerican men who can afford to run a household enjoy patriarchy too.

 

With a few exceptions, the world has been primarily patriarchal for several thousand years. 

 

1 hour ago, umbrarchist said:

Now most of Them cannot figure out planned obsolescence in automobiles half-a-century after the Moon landing. Their economists do not tell Them about consumer Depreciation.

 

Everybody should be concentrating on NET WORTH instead of Jobs. Pursuing a Career means being a Cog in the Empire.

The White folks set up the economic system and control wealth.  They have plenty economists forecasting and projecting and telling lies too.

[umbrarchist]

23 minutes ago, ProfD said:

The White folks set up the economic system and control wealth.  They have plenty economists forecasting and projecting and telling lies too.

 

Which White Folks?

 

 

Most of them are pawns of their own system. When have you heard economists suggesting mandatory accounting in schools. Thomas Sowell does not use the word 'depreciation' a single time in his book, "Basic Economics".

[Croocked T]

But equality should be about everyone, not just maintaining old systems. We need to focus on creating fair power dynamics for all, not just copying what's already in place.

[Pioneer1]

umbrarchist

 

In my rarely humble opinion Black Americans concentrate on White people too much and not enough on technology and science.

The reason for that is because White people and the positions of authority they hold tend to AFFECT and IMPACT the lives of AfroAmericans so much that you can't help BUT to concentrate and focus on them for one reason or another.

 

-Most of the times if you interact with a police officer, it's going to be a White person.

-Most of the time if you interact with a doctor or medical professional, it's going to be a White person.

-Most of the time if you need a loan for a car or business, you have to go to a White person and the institution is owned by a White person.

 

Now you can try to tune them out and focus on some scientific project and build yourself a: XTM WIRELESS 5300 Space-Modulator

...if you want, lol.

But sooner or later you're going to have to go back to life and back to reality where you have to pay rent/mortgage and deal with a Whtie person over some matter or another.

There's no getting around it.

 

 

 

 

 

 It is Technology that made it possible for White people to go around the world taking over land and stealing resources, not their skin color.

 

True.
But their skin color was their UNIFORM that allowed them to rally with and unite with eachother.

 

 

 

School was more about psychologically conditioning kids to be subservient to AUTHORITY than empowering their minds to take control of their destinies. (In my humble opinion) We were supposed to be stupid followers.

Like all of these MAGA Morons running around loose.

Most of them are pawns of their own system. 
 

I'll let you in on a little secret.....

Most White people DON'T CARE about being pawns and cannon fodder in their system.
Why?  Because it's THEIR system.

It's a sacrifice they GLADLY make as long as the System of Racism stands.

 

 

 

 

ProfD
 

 

AfroAmerican men who can afford to run a household enjoy patriarchy too.
 

While this is true, when I think of a Patriarchy I think of an entire SYSTEM...or atleast an entire community within a system.
 

It's one thing for an individual Black man to control his own household.  But that's not a Patriarchy if his control and power and influence is LIMITED only to that household and he doesn't have a NETWORK of other Black men in positions of power to help solidify his position as head of household.

The Black man is head of the house, but a White police officer or White judge in a White Patriarchal community can REMOVE that Black man and destroy the household.

We need a Black Patriarchal community where Black men in power support eachother in maintaining their positions of power not just in the household but in society atlarge....including the schools, law enforcement, banks, religious institutions, grocery stores, ect..

A TRUE Black Patriarchy would include all of this.

 

 

 

 

 

CroockedT


But equality should be about everyone, not just maintaining old systems. 
 

I don't know if you'll even achieve true equality in this world.
It may be a waste of time for most people to even focus on it.
Perhaps the focus would be more productive if it were placed on our people achieving as much structured and organized wealth and power as we can IN this world...as long as it lasts.

[ProfD]

 

41 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

While this is true, when I think of a Patriarchy I think of an entire SYSTEM...or atleast an entire community within a system.

 

We need a Black Patriarchal community where Black men in power support eachother in maintaining their positions of power not just in the household but in society atlarge....including the schools, law enforcement, banks, religious institutions, grocery stores, ect..

A TRUE Black Patriarchy would include all of this.

Gotcha.  You're referring to a Black-owned and controlled town, city, state, etc. That requires a major power move.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Gotcha.  You're referring to a Black-owned and controlled town, city, state, etc. That requires a major power move

 

More specifically, an FBA/AfroAmerican one.
It needs to be more specific than just "Black" because every "brother" ain't a "brutha".  
The community for the most part needs to be on the same page as far as our values and priorities so trying to share a "Patriarchal" community with most Africans and even most Caribbeans may lead to a disaster and a failed state.

 

However they ARE our brothers and sisters....
They can have their own communities, we can have ours, and we can work together.

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

ProfD

 

 

Gotcha.  You're referring to a Black-owned and controlled town, city, state, etc. That requires a major power move

 

More specifically, an FBA/AfroAmerican one.

FBA/AfroAmericans are spread out and comfortable wherever they live.

 

It would take a major movement to stir up such an exodus.

 

I wonder if FBA/AfroAmericans are splintered into too many tribes.  Then, it goes back to individualism.

 

Self-interest like those Black politicians getting their paychecks and hot butter biscuits without introducing any meaningful  legislation to benefit and/or protect their own folks.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

I'm going to tell you something...........

 

Having worked with, lead, and organized Black Americans from different walks of life over the years, I know for an ABSOLUTE FACT that MOST FBA can be united.

Not only can we be united mentally but we can be united PHYSICALLY in the same location.

 

The key to uniting and effectively working with AfroAmericans is HONESTY....especially about one's intentions and goals.

Cut out the self-righteous false-moral bullshit values that White folks have indoctrinated most of our people with either directly or indirectly.
They tend to be moral hypocrites and have trained their slaves how to be moral hypocrites as well.

You will NOT unite Black folks with "altruism" or "altruistic philosophy".

You have to offer our people CONCRETE Benefits and deliver on them!
 

 

 

Great Example Of What TO Do: 

 

Take the average Black man.....
Sit him down....
Ask him does he want so much money and some pussy for a project feeding hungry people....
Let him know that it doesn't matter whether HE actually cares about them or not, as long as he shows up and does what he's told.
If he agrees, it's as simple as that.
Make sure you DELIVER on the promise you made to him and you'll have a friend FOR LIFE.  

 

 

 

  
Great Example of What NOT To Do: 

 

Take the average Black man....
Take his wife/girlfriend along with him....
TRY to sit them both down and talk to them (but to be real -SHE'S going to do all the talking if they're sitting together)
Ask him does he want to help people, be a "good person", and do what "Jesus" would want him to do in the way of feeding the poor.
Tell him that you'll pay him some money but that he'll also get a "blessing" for his good deeds
He may not agree, but if he does he may not show up unless his woman MAKES him...and she can come with him.
If BOTH of them show up, there's a thousand and one problems that their presence may generate and the project is likely to come to ruin. 

 

My point?

There's a RIGHT way to do things and a WRONG way to do things.

If you want to unite Black men, there are RIGHT and EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE ways to do it but you must do it THOSE ways.
Not the ways that attract or motivate White men or Asians or Arabs or others.
We're not them.
We have OUR OWN nature and what motivates and moves us.

You have to be honest and real.
 

You also need to keep THEM honest and real too.
...but sitting in the corner with a sawed-off making sure the niggaz (I said "niggaz"....not Black folks) you got working for you don't steal money, fuck with the young sistaz,  or otherwise get out of line is a different subject all together, lol.
 

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Not only can we be united mentally but we can be united PHYSICALLY in the same location.

 

The key to uniting and effectively working with AfroAmericans is HONESTY....especially about one's intentions and goals.

You have to offer our people CONCRETE Benefits and deliver on them!

Sure. FBA folks can be brought togeher. Getting them to buy into a movement of establishing a city or town will be a heavier life.

 

Howvever, if it's already built, they might show up.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

 

Howvever, if it's already built, they might show up

 

Ofcourse....mainly to MOOCH off of somebody else, lol.
Let somebody else do the heavy lifting and work....and just come on in to enjoy the benefits.
 

I've had this discussion so many times with people over the years when they talk about leaving town and going somewhere else.

It's usually goes something like:
 

"Man...ain't shit here....I'm leaving"
 

Me: Where are you going
 

"Prolly to Atlanta/Texas/Dubai/Ghana/Las Vegas/California/etc.."
 

Me: Why?  What are you going to do THERE that you can't do here?
 

"Man....they got so many jobs and opportunities out there and the females act better"
 

Me: And what else?
 

"And I got some family (that's what I was waiting to hear) out there I can stay with until I get on my feet"
or

"My boy is out there and I'm go prolly chill with him until I get on my feet"

 

He don't want to go somewhere where he DOESN'T know anybody and has to get a job and work and make his own way.
He doesn't want to actually get a job or build a business...because he could do that HERE where he is.
He wants to go somewhere where he has FAMILY or FRIENDS where he can lay up on the couch, smoke weed, and mooch off of them like Snoop Dog in Baby Boy.

 

 

Niggaz just running from one place to the next MOOCHING off of eachother.
Looking for something already established so they don't have to do the work themselves.
 

That's why I stopped encouraging most Black Americans to go back to African nations, because I know many of them would be doing the same thing over there as they're going over here.
....walking around in sagging sweat pants, playing on the celly, and MOOCHING off of whoever they can.

Looking for somebody else to take care of the business.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I've had this discussion so many times with people over the years when they talk about leaving town and going somewhere else.

 

That's why I stopped encouraging most Black Americans to go back to African nations, because I know many of them would be doing the same thing over there as they're going over here.

Well, the great news about other countries is that Americans have to bring a bag of money in order to stay there for any period of time.

 

I don't believe ex-pats will encourage their broke azz family members and friends to come to Africa and post up for free.

 

In fact, one has to declare how much money they're bringing in order to get a visa. Broke azz n8gglets need not apply.

[Pioneer1]

Although I understand the reasoning behind it, I can already see the various problems that would come from telling a corrupt or unstable government how much money YOU have and have access to upon entering their nation.

 

[ProfD]

24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Although I understand the reasoning behind it, I can already see the various problems that would come from telling a corrupt or unstable government how much money YOU have and have access to upon entering their nation.

 

That same corrupt, unstable government treats foreigners better than they do for their own people.

 

There's a reason white folks and Chinese and Arabs, etc., can post up in the most unstable countries and handle business.

 

The natives don't want any smoke from them. Having that bag and a *home* country to return to neutralizes any threats.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

True, but WE aren't White, Arab, or Chinese.....lol.

They often have the complexion for the protection.

When Africans see another Black men from the West, they often get jealous and angry and dislike you MORE than the Whites, Arabs, or Chinese because they wonder why and how did YOU get into that position.

It's kind of like the hood where they'll let an Arab or Indian open up a store and sell their products all day long but if YOU open up one they'll be demanding all types of discounts and if you don't give it to them they're ready to shut it down and go somewhere else.

But working with these governments WILL be necessary for any type of meaningful repatriation project.

[ProfD]

39 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

When Africans see another Black men from the West, they often get jealous and angry and dislike you MORE than the Whites, Arabs, or Chinese because they wonder why and how did YOU get into that position.

The propaganda machine distorts their perception of reality.

 

In Africa, *most* of them hold AfroAmericans in the same regard as and consider us white poeple.

 

I'm not referring to *educated* tethers and those who flee to the US looking for a *better* life as Uber drivers while talking sh8t to AfroAmericans.

 

Many African immigrants *believe* the propaganda spread by white folks until we *show* them differently.

 

As I've mentioned before, without giving up too much personal info, I've got a deep African tribe in my family. My perspective isn't merely anecdotal. 

 

39 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

It's kind of like the hood where they'll let an Arab or Indian open up a store and sell their products all day long but if YOU open up one they'll be demanding all types of discounts and if you don't give it to them they're ready to shut it down and go somewhere else.

The Willie Lynch syndrome has been ingrained in AfroAmericans. It's a disease that hasn't been cured yet.

39 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

But working with these governments WILL be necessary for any type of meaningful repatriation project.

True. But, FBAs have to build here in the US 1st in order to give other Black folks a reason to rock with us. Otherwise...

 

 

Nothing from nothing leaves nothing...

[Pioneer1]

ProfD


In Africa, *most* of them hold AfroAmericans in the same regard as and consider us white poeple.

Funny you said that....
I presume you know that Muzungu is a White person in Swahili or some sort of East African language.

I go back and forth with a lady in my apartment complex from Kenya.
I jokingly accuse her of loving and sleeping with the "muzungu" men (she doesn't by the way).
She calls ME a "muzungu -something" I forget the exact word...which means you're not quite White but means someone CLOSE to being a muzungu....lol.

I asked her was it because I'm light skinned and she said no, she said they call MOST Black Americans that despite their complexion because of their behavior and proximity to White folks

[ProfD]

34 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I go back and forth with a lady in my apartment complex from Kenya.

I asked her was it because I'm light skinned and she said no, she said they call MOST Black Americans that despite their complexion because of their behavior and proximity to White folks

Bingo.

 

It's not just Kenyans who think that way about AfroAmericans. That's why we need to rewrite the narratives and beliefs about us.

 

The wrong messages about AfroAmericans have being transmitted across the airwaves and oceans for a very long time.

[Pioneer1]

Meanwhile.......
Since they feel that way about us anyway, perhaps we should use those feeling to OUR advantage.