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[richardmurray]

A question, and Schrumpft

 

Question

What are Black owned luxury goods? To a restate, what products do wealthy blacks buy that are luxury from black owned firms?

 

Schrumpft

I have had time to consider Schrumpft and when I look at his presidency what are his financial goals? 

 

Internal- in the usa. 

• Manipulate customers in the U.S.A. to buy products made in the usa. Tariffs by default raise prices outside a country with the purpose of making products cheaper internally. 
• Manipulate firms in the USA to buy more natural resources in the usa while growing/manufacturing more products in the usa. Tariffs by default raise the prices of external natural resources or foreign manufactured/grown goods, with the purpose of making domestic natural resources+domestic made goods cheaper. 
• Reduce the populace of non usa citizens to colleges or universities in the usa. The USA has educated more foreigners than any other government from the nineteen hundreds to today. 
• Reduce the bureaucratic size of the usa, all federal workers have long scale benefits in healthcare that are expensive. Cutting the laborforce of the federal bureaucracy is why automotive companies in the private sector wanted to reduce their own workforce whose healthcare and long term benefits are expensive.
• Embrace bitcoin as the alternative and future currency in humanity. Whomever can get hashtag currencies called cryptocurrencies to work will have an entire alternative currency they can start and control , like the dutch with the stock market. 

 

External- outside the usa

• Reduce military expenditures from the USA in Europe or Asia. The USA spends a lot of money policing humanity. Reducing this cost is huge. 
• Delete the USA's role as the center of the global economy network and get the USA to have a one to one financial relationship to all other governments. 

 

In Conclusion

When I look at Schrumpfts financial activities, what he wants to do is undo the Franklin Deleanor Roosevelt built imperial model for the USA. 

FDR as president was the one who started the idea of the USA financing enemies: england/france/germany/japan/italy/russia during the bloodshed of the second white european imperial war/SWEIW, commonly called world war two. The following presidents, from Kennedy to Johnson continued the strategy of embracing interwoven internationalism. In the 1960s, firms in the usa started their removing of domestic manufacture to foreign countries, as in latin america and then in Nixon in China. The same presidents from Kennedy to Obama embraced the idea of giving foreign students education in the usa. And from Eisenhower the military industrial complex grew, but the federal bureaucratic industrial complex has grown whether The party of andrew jackson, the donkeys[democratic party of governance] or the party of abraham lincoln, the elephants[republican party of governance]. Which was used originally to buffer the inability of state governments, as all fifty state governments were dominated by the white christian male populaces in said states, to allow non white, non male, non christian populaces protection/opportunities somewhere in the USA where the private sector was near completely blockaded plus state governments, as said, were near completely blockaded as well. The USA also since FDR , has been policing humanity, not wildly, but enough to make sure all the little land governments in humanity who are financially best suited for the interwoven internationalism, not be attacked or dominated by militaristically potent neighbors. Now the reason FDR started all these trends was the third white european imperial war, commonly called the cold war. The Soviet Union's argument to all countries and peoples was the USA is a continuation of the fiscal slaving culture that stemmed from western europe. So the USA financed enemies/interwove its economy to others/built manufacturing plants in foreign countries/embraced foreigners into being usa citizens or going to school in the usa all to get the college of governments to side with the USA over the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics/USSR and they did. This required an ever growing federal bureaucracy, in military expenditures for international security or the wildly growing populace in the usa. The USA won the third white european imperial war. But the cost was the growth of Western Europe into the European Union, China into a world power aside a geographic neighborhood with financially potent Japan or India. So, the victory against the Soviet Union created new competitors. 

Schrumpft wants to undo that train from FDR to modernity to kill the competitors. The reasons are not hateful but are a cold strategy which many said in the 1900s. If the USA pulls out of investing in foreign countries , most have no where to turn and the European Union plus China or Russia don't have the means or will to provide the same level of aid or sharing fiscal activity. If the USA pulls out of giving foreign students education, the EU or China will not or can not support the horde of hopeful migrant college students. Lessening the federal bureaucracy will save money long term and force the states in the union to improve relating to their multiracial populaces. 

What Schrumpft wants to do is return humanity to as close a state to how it was at the end of the SWEIW, where all of Europe outside Russia was destroyed and had no vitality. All of East asia was destroyed and had no vitality. SChrumpft doesn't want to go to war to destroy foreign governments, he wants to perform a cold war with the rest of humanity by evacuating the USA from the system it centers, knowing the European Union or China don't have the will or means or desire or infrastructure to support the college of countries as the USA has done since FDR and will force all countries even in anger to relate mostly to the USA. 

The USA will go from being the center of a complex web, where parts of the web can grow as a centroid, to being the center of a solar image, where no matter how bright a ray is no ray touches another. 

As the images suggest to go from a complex web to a set of solar rays, all the pieces between fall off and die, but the center survives and potentially thrives, that is Schrumpfts plan

 

PRIOR EDITION https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11507-economiccorner020/

 

[ProfD]

POTUS OJ has been given the mandate to hyper-nationalize the US. 

 

The current agenda is to move away from business as usual with the US being the world 1) police and 2) bank. 

 

The current administration is trying to 1) force countries to pull their own weight and 2) give more power to the states.

 

The other party is not totally opposed to this direction.  Two sides of the same coin.

 

@richardmurray, excellent analysis of the current political situation.

[umbrarchist]

DJT is too stupid to predict the consequences of his mindless actions.

 

If what Ukraine is saying is true, Zelensky knew about the plan to attack Russian bombers when he met with Trump while the idiot told him he had no cards.

 

Trump hardly has any idea what is going on and no one outside of the country with any sense will tell him. He has surrounded himself with nitwits almost as dumb as he is.

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[richardmurray]

@ProfD , thank you 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

The other party is not totally opposed to this direction.  Two sides of the same coin.

I concur that both sides have variations of "america first" but ever since Obama's presidency I am convinced that the two major parties of governance have an important variance with each other, thus not the same coin. The party of abraham lincoln POAL at its core, doesn't want to be a big tent party, it wants expulsions. while the party of andrew jackson at its core, wants to be a big tent party, it wants reregistrations. I argue the POAJ doesn't want immigrants expelled but immigrants categorized differently. I see this in NYC, latinos in NYC, are speaking against latinos in NYC like never before, they don't want expulsion, but they want, albeit such blunt words, another classifications for recent immigrants, residents not citizens. The POAL wants immigrants out which will help their agenda of keeping a majority white race in the overall populace. 

Not the same coin for me. Yes, in terms of the USA, they both want a pulling away, but the POAL is looking for more walls, while the POAJ is looking for a change in bureaucracy. It isn't the same at least to me. 

 

@umbrarchist

42 minutes ago, umbrarchist said:

He has surrounded himself with nitwits almost as dumb as he is.

well the problem is, his agenda wants to undo what made today. And that is usually a very hard thing to do. We descended of enslaved, DOSers, have that problem right? We tend to forget we can't go back to 1865 and change what we did, rightly or wrongly. We can't go back to 1965, we have to embrace not only the negatives but the positives today in 2025. We have to respect who we are now. We are not, the black folks of 1865 or 1965, we are more culturally variant[DOSers/Black Caribbeans/Black Africans/Black Latinos/Black Asians], we have more fiscally wealthier people than in the past, we have competition more variant set of non blacks than ever before [ white latinos/white muslims/white arabs/white asian/white africans] . Trying to get the situation to return to the way it was no human in history ever achieved. Does that make Schrumpft and cohorts dumb/stupid/mindless/nitwits/idiots ? maybe. But I prefer the adjective, nostalgic. A journey to the past that is never true cause no one can reverse the clock. Schrumpft knows for most whites in the usa, especially its small towns, circa 1945 was a great time, the greatest potentially, not only did they dominate the non white, but they dominated the other whites. And Schrumpft knows white people in the usa have evangelized , good speak, said time into mythos. Ala King Arthur in England ,a similar thing. In the same way, DOSers can't go back to the Africa our forebears were forced from, can't go back to the Haiti's and Gullah Islands and Quilombos and Siddi kingdoms our people made in the past. 

[umbrarchist]

4 hours ago, richardmurray said:

We tend to forget we can't go back to 1865 and change what we did, rightly or wrongly. We can't go back to 1965

Time only moves in one direction, but how much did people understand at the time. 1965 was the last year I went to an auto show. I remember not wanting to go. I finally understood that they were just making useless variations in cars.

 

But how many people don't want to deal with the consequences of that half-a-century after the Moon landing?

 

I was trying to learn about electricity.

Didn't know enough to figure out what was a good book. A bit more to be learned about technology now.

 

Why don't we have a K-12 Booklist for Black kids. To hell with what the haoles do?

 

Teach Yourself Electricity and Electronics by Stan Gibilisco 

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[ProfD]

 

6 hours ago, richardmurray said:

I concur that both sides have variations of "america first"...

 

I am convinced that the two major parties of governance have an important variance with each other, thus not the same coin. 

Whenever I write that both political parties are two sides of the same coin, I'm referring to their commitment to maintaining the system of racism white supremacy.

 

1 hour ago, umbrarchist said:

Teach Yourself Electricity and Electronics by Stan Gibilisco 

More importantly, the question is what are Black kids going to do with that knowledge of electricity and electronics.

[umbrarchist]

12 hours ago, ProfD said:

More importantly, the question is what are Black kids going to do with that knowledge of electricity and electronics.

Have you heard about that drone attack that the Ukrainians pulled on Russia?

 

Who needs riots?

12 hours ago, ProfD said:

Whenever I write that both political parties are two sides of the same coin, I'm referring to their commitment to maintaining the system of racism white supremacy.

Neither side seems to advocate mandatory accounting in the schools. Not even for White kids.

 

The DIMocrats and the Repugnacans are both pretty worthless.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, umbrarchist said:

Have you heard about that drone attack that the Ukrainians pulled on Russia?

 

Who needs riots?

Drones cost money whether it is building or buying them.

 

1 hour ago, umbrarchist said:

Neither side seems to advocate mandatory accounting in the schools. Not even for White kids.

 

The DIMocrats and the Repugnacans are both pretty worthless.

That does not seem to stop them from amassing wealth and controlling the world economies.

[umbrarchist]

8 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Drones cost money whether it is building or buying them.

So do gym shoes with famous basketball players names on them.

 

[ProfD]

6 minutes ago, umbrarchist said:

So do gym shoes with famous basketball players names on them.

Athletic wear is a huge cash cow.  Unfortunately, we do not own the companies.

 

Making sound financial investments starts with having the right goals and objectives. 

 

Our people need to learn how to be producers more than consumers.

[umbrarchist]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Our people need to learn how to be producers more than consumers.

And the book I suggested about electronics does WHAT?

[ProfD]

21 minutes ago, umbrarchist said:

And the book I suggested about electronics does WHAT?

The book will teach about electricity and electronics could be a prerequisite to becoming a producer. 

 

Most than likely, that knowledge will produce worker bees i.e. people who trade labor for an hourly wage.

 

Starting a business to produce, repair  and/or maintain an electrical grid or electronic devices requires a different mindset beyond knowledge of electricity and electronics.

 

An excellent case study would be none other than Steve Wozniak and Steve Jobs...founders of Apple.

 

 

[richardmurray]

@umbrarchist 

On 6/3/2025 at 7:45 PM, umbrarchist said:

Why don't we have a K-12 Booklist for Black kids. To hell with what the haoles do?

we can make one

put the name of any book you think need to be in the book list in a comment on this post 

 

On 6/4/2025 at 10:04 AM, umbrarchist said:

Neither side seems to advocate mandatory accounting in the schools. Not even for White kids.

yes, black people have to stop giving white supremacy so much credit, it isn't as unifying to whites as blacks like to mythologize

 

The electronic is correct. Jobs was never the engineer. Your correct, jobs was praised for being a salesman but asbent wozniak, apple goes no where, so the kids are better off learning the electronics first, over the salesmanship. And, I will be blunt, blacks have to embrace humanity in blacks. Demanding that every black child, learn all the engineering and be the great salesman is inequal . I prefer they learn electronics over salesmanship, cause some will be poor salesman , end up working for others, but others wont, but if they all learn electronics that is functional.

 

@ProfD

On 6/3/2025 at 9:19 PM, ProfD said:

More importantly, the question is what are Black kids going to do with that knowledge of electricity and electronics.

well are we black adults providing a cumulative guiding environment? I restate, how many black adults are guiding black children another way, positively or negatively, than another black parent? if a black parent is guiding a black child to be a researcher, an employee, then i doubt that child will want to start their own business and will be willing to provide for whites

 

On 6/4/2025 at 11:28 AM, ProfD said:

That does not seem to stop them from amassing wealth and controlling the world economies.

yes but umbrarchist point is we blacks tend to suggest white people are acting in some perfect unity in themselves, and that isn't true, while we blacks love to speak ill to our lack of perfect unity the reality is, whites don't have perfect unity either. At this point, white power comes from legacy more than a current condition, and it is an honest legacy of white european dominance to the non white european but in 2025, whites, whether european or not, are not that cohesive. so black unity needs to get better but lets not act like white unity is perfect, because it has a strong legacy we have to work to overcome.

 

Yes, Jobs fiscal/administrative management or manipulation is more heralded than wozniak , the electrical engineer, but do you know wozniak has an engineering camp for kids that has black kids in it. Yes, playing the money game matters, your correct, but  am willing to accept black children knowing electronics more than financial management. I comprehend the risk is george washington carver, but not all the kids will be him, some will be a percy julian, and a few will be better than any before:) 

[ProfD]

35 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

yes, black people have to stop giving white supremacy so much credit, it isn't as unifying to whites as blacks like to mythologize

White supremacy is not about white folks being unified.  White supremacy is a well-maintained system.  

 

35 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

well are we black adults providing a cumulative guiding environment? I restate, how many black adults are guiding black children another way, positively or negatively, than another black parent?

Black tribes have to use their resources and networks to decide what is important to economic prosperity and power-building for future generations.

 

35 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

if a black parent is guiding a black child to be a researcher, an employee, then i doubt that child will want to start their own business and will be willing to provide for whites

Instead of entrepreneurship and ownership, getting an education and trading labor for wages regardless of profession has been the direction Black parents have been giving their children.

 

 

35 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

Yes, Jobs fiscal/administrative management or manipulation is more heralded than wozniak the electrical engineer... 

Missing the forest for the trees.  Study Apple Inc. from top to bottom in terms of building a highly successful company.

 

Each dude played a pivotal role in the company from developing the products (Wozniak) to selling them (Jobs). 

 

Also, the late Steve Jobs was successful with Apple, NEXT and Pixar.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

44 minutes ago, ProfD said:

White supremacy is not about white folks being unified.  White supremacy is a well-maintained system.  

correct, but said system was born out of a white populace that ws globally unified unlike anytime after or before. Yes, the system doesn't require whites to be unified now, but it didn't start that way and that matters into any system black people want to create that will have a similar nature.

 

46 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Instead of entrepreneurship and ownership, getting an education and trading labor for wages regardless of profession has been the direction Black parents have been giving their children.

and I must amend your correct statement

Because, white people had nearly completely enslaved black people and even though more black people are free today than yesterday , many black people are enslaved to said system, which maintains a life path only in service and not in ownership to black people, through restrictions or allowances.

48 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Missing the forest for the trees.  Study Apple Inc. from top to bottom in terms of building a highly successful company.

 

Each dude played a pivotal role in the company from developing the products (Wozniak) to selling them (Jobs). 

 

Also, the late Steve Jobs was successful with Apple, NEXT and Pixar.

I don't know why the truth is missing the forest for the trees. But, apple also went bankrupt so you can also study them to learn how not to build a successful company. 

Yes, Jobs skill from apple to net to pixar was never as an engineer but as a salesman who comprehended how to sell engineers work better than most engineers. And I am not knocking him down for it, but I don't see any negativity in describing him as such. And to the point of black children, as Umbrarchist started this subtopic talking about books educating black children,  i rather them spend more time engineering (wozniak)  than selling (jobs). 

 

[umbrarchist]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

we can make one

put the name of any book you think need to be in the book list in a comment on this post 

 

The Screwing of the Average Man (1974) by David Hapgood 

 

I read that in 1976. As soon as I finished it, I read it again. I took Econ 101 in college. I got a 'B' but I felt more confused after the course than before. But I concluded that their HAD to be something Wrong with what I was taught. I still had the textbook so I decided that I was going to figure out what it was if I had to read Samuelson's Economics cover to cover.

 

So I would read 15 or 20 pages every night after coming home from work. Eventually I got to NNP. Simple equation, no biggie! I read about 5 more pages before it occurred to me that consumer Depreciation was missing.

 

The Net National Product only got half of a page in a 600 page book. What do you suppose that the total depreciation of US Automobiles must amount to since I noticed?

 

When have YOU heard Economists talking about Consumer Depreciation?

 

Something is peculiar!

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[ProfD]

31 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

...it didn't start that way and that matters into any system black people want to create that will have a similar nature.

Time and technology has changed the way things are done.  Black folks don't have to construct a system using the same means and methods as white supremacy.

 

31 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

... many black people are enslaved to said system, which maintains a life path only in service and not in ownership to black people, through restrictions or allowances.

Black people are enslaved to the system as coached by their parents, family members,  teachers, mentors, etc.

 

31 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

I don't know why the truth is missing the forest for the trees. But, apple also went bankrupt so you can also study them to learn how not to build a successful company. 

I don't know what satisfaction you derive from highlighting the negative and/or self-defeatism. 

 

Take the best of what Apple Inc. did and duplicate it.  

 

31 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

Yes, Jobs skill from apple to net to pixar was never as an engineer but as a salesman who comprehended how to sell engineers work better than most engineers.

The reality is that smart people know how to develop and build products.  Very few of them know how to sell it.  Without Steve Jobs' brilliance in his knowledge of electronics and his salesmanship, Apple, Next and Pixar do not sell.

 

31 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

And I am not knocking him down for it, but I don't see any negativity in describing him as such. And to the point of black children, as Umbrarchist started this subtopic talking about books educating black children,  i rather them spend more time engineering (wozniak)  than selling (jobs). 

There's no shortage of Black engineers and scientists.  Most of them of work for white folks.  Full stop.

 

The requirement is to have people knowledgeable in all areas i.e. since, math, business, law, etc.

 

More importantly is having the knowledge, skill and ability to produce and sell your own products and services instead of relying on the system of white supremacy and/or others for every crumb of one's daily bread.

 

 

[umbrarchist]

On 6/4/2025 at 1:22 PM, ProfD said:

An excellent case study would be none other than Steve Wozniak and Steve Jobs...founders of Apple

Over the last 20 years we have heard a lot more mention of Jobs than Wozniak. But:

 

"Steve Wozniak's father was Francis Jacob "Jerry" Wozniak. He was an engineer for Lockheed Corporation and played a significant role in inspiring Steve's interest in electronics and engineering. Jerry Wozniak often shared his technical knowledge with his son, encouraging him to explore how things worked, which heavily influenced Steve Wozniak's later innovations, including co-founding Apple Inc. with Steve Jobs.“
 

[ProfD]

4 minutes ago, umbrarchist said:

Over the last 20 years we have heard a lot more mention of Jobs than Wozniak. But:

 

"Steve Wozniak's father was Francis Jacob "Jerry" Wozniak. He was an engineer for Lockheed Corporation and played a significant role in inspiring Steve's interest in electronics and engineering. Jerry Wozniak often shared his technical knowledge with his son, encouraging him to explore how things worked, which heavily influenced Steve Wozniak's later innovations, including co-founding Apple Inc. with Steve Jobs.“

That's correct.  Steve Wozniak without Steve Jobs and there's no Apple Inc.  Woz and Jobs met as electronics nerds.

[umbrarchist]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

That's correct.  Steve Wozniak without Steve Jobs and there's no Apple Inc.  Woz and Jobs met as electronics nerds.

 

"Jobs was born in San Francisco in 1955 and adopted shortly afterwards. He attended Reed College in 1972 before withdrawing that same year. In 1974, he traveled through India, seeking enlightenment before later studying Zen Buddhism. He and Wozniak co-founded Apple in 1976 to further develop and sell Wozniak's Apple I personal computer."

[ProfD]

25 minutes ago, umbrarchist said:

 

"Jobs was born in San Francisco in 1955 and adopted shortly afterwards. He attended Reed College in 1972 before withdrawing that same year. In 1974, he traveled through India, seeking enlightenment before later studying Zen Buddhism. He and Wozniak co-founded Apple in 1976 to further develop and sell Wozniak's Apple I personal computer."

Jobs was a teenager (16) when he met Wozniak (21). Before Apple, they had another product (Blue Box).

 

Again, these guys are worth a case study in genius both technical and entrepreneurial.

[richardmurray]

@umbrarchist 

I added it, take a look

 

yes, remember ever since the 1970s the economist in media are in the business of speculating/viewing the industry with one purpose, positivity. The whole point of the fiat currency is to not connect the wealth of the usa to strict financial principles but allow the addition/subtraction /emphasis /deemphasis of financial tools or terms to lead to a positive position. The USA military allows this. Let's be blunt, the usa literally sent its entire manufacturing industry outside of the usa and later most of its office industry outside the usa, and yet, the usa is somehow financally considered positive. This is the fiat currency. 

 

@ProfD

11 hours ago, ProfD said:

Time and technology has changed the way things are done.  Black folks don't have to construct a system using the same means and methods as white supremacy.

for the record, from my comprehension of my words, i never said that the way things are today is the same as the past not did i say, black people must mimick whites. 

 

11 hours ago, ProfD said:

I don't know what satisfaction you derive from highlighting the negative and/or self-defeatism. 

 

Take the best of what Apple Inc. did and duplicate it.  

I like telling the truth, the truth doesn't have to be positive, but the truth is always relevant. Well, I hope you are duplicating the best of apple.  but other black people in their ambitions don't have to.

 

11 hours ago, ProfD said:

The reality is that smart people know how to develop and build products.  Very few of them know how to sell it.  Without Steve Jobs' brilliance in his knowledge of electronics and his salesmanship, Apple, Next and Pixar do not sell.

I argue, absent jobs they do sell, they simply don't sell as much, but going back to the point, is that really a problem or negative? The question is what determines success? how is success defined? I think various black tribes have different definitions of success.

11 hours ago, ProfD said:

There's no shortage of Black engineers and scientists.  Most of them of work for white folks.  Full stop.

exactly in the same way their forebears in majority worked for whites. Just remember it isn't like black people in the usa were not working for whites in majority in the past.

11 hours ago, ProfD said:

More importantly is having the knowledge, skill and ability to produce and sell your own products and services instead of relying on the system of white supremacy and/or others for every crumb of one's daily bread.

well i hope you don't rely on the system of white supremacy

 

 

[umbrarchist]

7 hours ago, ProfD said:

they had another product (Blue Box).

THEY?

 

Who designed and built the Blue Box?

 

I just saw a picture of one in a glass case in some museum a couple of days ago.

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, umbrarchist said:

THEY?

 

Who designed and built the Blue Box?

Wozniak designed and built the Blue Box.

 

Like any other engineer, inventor, tinkerer, etc. , Wozniak would've just had a product in his garage.  Jobs' marketing genius sold it.

 

It's important for people who are smart and/or creative to understand that producing a product, good or service is only the 1st step.

 

Many producers fail because they lack the personality, looks and other qualities that make a successful salesperson. 

 

it takes a different type of smart and/or creative person to actually sell i.e. bring those products, good ans services to the market.

 

A Black man was the automotive designer who came up with the Chrysler 300 car. 

 

Chrysler was struggling at the time. The 300 sold like hotcakes.

 

Nobody really  talks about the folks who design and build automobiles or anything else.

 

Every now and then, a nerd will become a celebrity...Bill Gates.

 

Otherwise, the producers remain behind the scenes. Someone else does the selling.