Do you vote for awards shows to go away?

[richardmurray]

Award shows make money by promoting fashions or selling advertising/sponsorship space, the giving of awards is only the teaser to the profit, giving awards don't make money on their own. Money making can not coincide with everything else. To restate, if you want an civil thoughtful courteousnes/place of a court, that can not occur alongside fiscal capitalistic profiteering. Sooner or later, or inevitably, fiscal capitalistic profiteering will lead to a lack of civlity or a lack of thoughtfulness, from some human actors. 

https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/658-economic-corner-35-02232026/

 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

Award shows make money by promoting fashions or selling advertising/sponsorship space, the giving of awards is only the teaser to the profit, giving awards don't make money on their own.

Right.  Very similar to putting toys in cereal boxes. 

 

The reason modern TVs are so cheap nowadays is due to the amount of money advertisers expect to make based on viewing habits.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

Money making can not coincide with everything else. To restate, if you want an civil thoughtful courteousnes/place of a court, that can not occur alongside fiscal capitalistic profiteering. Sooner or later, or inevitably, fiscal capitalistic profiteering will lead to a lack of civlity or a lack of thoughtfulness, from some human actors. 

That is why laws & police exist...to provide order & protect & serve the interests of capitalists.

 

A whole lot of cash money flows through Las Vegas. There is a reason the place has never been hijacked & taken over by armed guerillas. 

 

The same thing applies to the USA in general.  Despite crime statistics & other ills in society, the USA has never had reason to fear being 1) overthrown or 2) invaded.  

 

Fiscal capitalism benefits so many people directly & indirectly that folks from all corners will rise up to protect & defend it.

[aka Contrarian]

Whatever. At the week-end BAFATAs award show, which is the British equivalent of America's Academy Awards, somebody in the audience yelled out "nigger" when Michael B. Jordan and Deroy Lindo, stars of best picture nominee, "SINNERS", appeared on stage to announce the winner in one of the other categories.

 Michael didn't slap the offender who, it was later reported, claimed to have Tourettes Syndrome, and after a brief pause, the show went on...

That's a hard act to follow, but the Oscars award show will be televised March 15th in America - and we shall see. Stay tuned...

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

The reason modern TVs are so cheap nowadays is due to the amount of money advertisers expect to make based on viewing habits.

 

... the modern fabrication capabilities, which are the industrial backbone of the potent governemnts today have been built on,,.. i will not go into it, but financially, people forget how important time is on growing systems of industry, even if they are not seen. 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

That is why laws & police exist...to provide order & protect & serve the interests of capitalists.

 

I never knew any of that... i argue all of that is counterable

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

A whole lot of cash money flows through Las Vegas. There is a reason the place has never been hijacked & taken over by armed guerillas. 

 

when you the place? las vegas is a big city , no big city in modern humanity has been hijacked:) where do you live? and no big city in modernity has been taken over by armed guerillas, where are you from?

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

The same thing applies to the USA in general.  Despite crime statistics & other ills in society, the USA has never had reason to fear being 1) overthrown or 2) invaded.  

 

well the war of 1812, that was an invasion by the english empire and it had a chance to overthrow... where are you from? 

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Fiscal capitalism benefits so many people directly & indirectly that folks from all corners will rise up to protect & defend it.

this is a lie based on statistics at any time in history. 

@aka Contrarian so:) I guess you like the drama of award shows

[ProfD]

On 2/23/2026 at 7:13 PM, aka Contrarian said:

At the week-end BAFATAs award show, which is the British equivalent of America's Academy Awards, somebody in the audience yelled out "nigger" when Michael B. Jordan and Deroy Lindo, stars of best picture nominee, "SINNERS", appeared on stage to announce the winner in one of the other categories.

The craziest part is the BAFTA is pre-recorded prior to broadcast. They edited out anything political &/or profane.

 

Yet, they did not edit out the supposed Tourette's Syndrome outburst. The guy yells out n8gger when the show is dead silent & at the moment 2 Black actors are onstage.

 

Neither the guy nor BAFTA offered a real apology for the outburst. Black folks haven't demanded it.

 

Just another reminder that we still have a long way to go when it comes to racism. Hope it is not being normalized & accepted.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

13 hours ago, ProfD said:

The craziest part is the BAFTA is pre-recorded prior to broadcast. They edited out anything political or & profane.

 

 

13 hours ago, ProfD said:

Yet, they did not edit out the supposed Tourette's Syndrome outburst. The guy yells out n8gger when the show is dead silent & at the moment 2 Black actors are onstage.

 

well, the bafta's are live in england and with modern technology people will share the live edits, I have only seen snippets, which i imagine were recorded by people watching the live english telecast. 

 

The financial question going forward is with modern technology, which allows anyone to record live performances and share them even before they are officially published elsewhere, does editing video material matter anymore? 

Any artist that makes a mistake on stage? any mishap in an award show? any recording session in a studio thought by someone private? can all be recorded by an individual and submitted to the internet and then it is out there. 

IS editing worth it? I comprehend lawsuits but... what can one really do to prevent exposure. BAFTA can't block the recordings online. No one can. Governments can't. The internet is too big a media space for that. 

 

13 hours ago, ProfD said:

Neither the guy nor BAFTA offered a real apology for the outburst. Black folks haven't demanded it.

 

when you say black folks haven't demanded, do you mean no black individuals? or a black organized body? I know many black individuals who want an apology, but i don't consider that a demand. But I also know some black folks who aren't concerned by it... so again, a group can't demand when a group isn't of the same mind

13 hours ago, ProfD said:

Just another reminder that we still have a long way to go when it comes to racism. Hope it is not being normalized & accepted.

racism is eternal, unless humans beings stop using first and last names, racism will be forever. And as for bias, negative or positive, well they are eternal as well, unless some human beings stop favoring their children or stop disliking those who harmed them. 

I argue that the better line of thinking isn't in annihilating, racism or bias, but in cognizing how to utilize racism/categorization/ranking more functionally, more honestly,  plus learning how to handle biases, negative or positive, as they will occur in the future. 

Cause racism + bias, negative or positive, have always been and always will be common or normalized, as humans are humans and while biases dictate what is accepted or not, their weights change in time, invariably. 

[ProfD]

42 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

The financial question going forward is with modern technology, which allows anyone to record live performances and share them even before they are officially published elsewhere, does editing video material matter anymore? 

They know how to confiscate any type of recording device to avoid unauthorized leaks.  

 

42 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

IS editing worth it? I comprehend lawsuits but... what can one really do to prevent exposure. BAFTA can't block the recordings online. No one can. Governments can't. The internet is too big a media space for that. 

I believe editing is still worthwhile despite any type of recording spillage.  The official recordings should be on point.

 

 

42 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

when you say black folks haven't demanded, do you mean no black individuals? or a black organized body?

Black folks need the same mechanisms Jews have when they accuse people of being antisemitic.

 

 

42 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

racism is eternal, unless humans beings stop using first and last names, racism will be forever.

Racism as a system does not have to be eternal.  It can be dismantled.

 

42 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

And as for bias, negative or positive, well they are eternal as well,

Sure.  Human beings will have their biases.  It should never be used to oppress, malign or mistreat others.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

14 minutes ago, ProfD said:

I believe editing is still worthwhile despite any type of recording spillage.  The official recordings should be on point.

 

hmm interesting, I want to know more of your thinking on this issue. What does the editing do, that I don't see? the unedited shows the truth, what does the editing provide?

15 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Black folks need the same mechanisms Jews have when they accuse people of being antisemitic.

 

hmm well, from what I comprehend of the white jewish populace, if a similarity organizationally is to be made, then I argue the weakness is in one of three groups: Black Elephants/Republicans OR Nation of Islam OR the Black One percent. 

Why do I say this? 

The white jewish populace isn't one people really. They have three main tribes Reformers/Orthodox/Conservative... the Reformers literally have a statement saying, none of the defining patterns of orthodoxy, which means those who think they are right, as in the eastern orthodox christian church, are necessary to be a reformer. Reform jews don't have to wear the cap, don't have to speak yiddish, don't have to do many things that people associate with judaism. But they do have a huge synogaogue downtown manhattan with many rich white people what is my point. Reform judaism in my view, is a tribe designed in the USA for the specific purpose of maintaining a jewish tribal culture, absent demanding on individuals in it, unlike orthodox or conservatives, the rules of judaism. 

The orthodox, the ones who wear the cap all the time, women have the nun look and et cetera follow the religious code, like the other religious extreme folk of christianity or islam. They are hyper into israel, whereas the reformers are neutral. The reformers love the usa, have many female jews in their body, unmarried or et cetera, which doesn't fit in orthodox jew circles, which is dominated by male jews. 

Then the conservative jews, they are the old white european jewish families who who came to the usa throughout the years. They are the most embedded in white european anti jewish financial circles of money and power, they tend to be the binder between the reformers and orthodoxy who for obvious reasons don't get along all the time. 

You say mechanicsms, but the tribes is the variance. 

All three of the white jewish tribes in the usa have financial potency, not the same, the reformers are the weatlhiest , the conservatives have the oldest money, deepest connections, the orthodox are the poorest but through the zionist movement have israel as a focal point and cradle for orthodoxy to maintain. I argue, if not for israel i think orthodox judaism would be in serious trouble, population wise. 

 

Whereas the Black DOSers , first and foremost are not white so unlike white jews didn't spend the last two hundred and fifty years in business as a majority, only since 1980 has a majority of black people been allowed to be part of the marketplace in the usa. 

Second, the tribes of DOSers are many, more populated and not the same. 

Black Christians- commonly called the Black church but again, modernity has made it more complicated. You have jehovahs witness, where in the past, the Black christians could be called the black church today... it is more complicated. 

Black Muslims- which because of the immigration act plus islams heritage is muddy.The nation of islam will never dominate black muslim life in the usa , they had one chance and they failed. 

 My point being white jews have: fanatic religion/orthodox - religion in name only/reform - religion in secret- conservative. 

Black DOSers have many religious groups now, so that simplicity is gone, which hurts organizations. 

Then of course you have the groups unique to Black DOSers and their experiences.

Black Militants have always existed in the usa, again, every slave revolt is an action of black militants, lived at the same time as James Forten. but militants don't want peace, that is the point, they want to destory the enemy of the blacks in the usa who without no doubt in history are the whites in the usa, individuals be damned.

Black Individualist- primarily concerned financially, they don't believe, which is well earned again, that black collective action will come of anything. I can't say I concur to them, but I can't deny they make a truthful point. Black collective action always gets underminded by whites in the usa, to suggest some magic or learning strength needs to occur is an insult to truth. after five hundred years living side whites, the proof is in the history book. BElieve it or not. 

Black Integrationists, whether they know it or not, want the usa to be a place of interracial even peace, going back to James Forten again. I get it. It is one of the most peaceful human stories. if you know anything about Zen , the black integrationist make sense. Zen says that all is nature and thus, even the most negative actions are not unnatural and thus if  a black person wants to live in a usa of legal equality with the non black , even with knowing the history that is fine. 

But the militant/individualist/integrationist have no bridge between them. This isn't like the white jewish trio, they have serious differences of opinion. 

The white jewish trio are not based on experiences in the usa. they differ on how they interpret judaism, or the kind of lifestyles they lead, but they don't differ in terms of how to relate to others. the Black tribes have more complicated differences, which means it is harder to get cohesive organizations. 

I didn't even mention the Black Nationalist, my little tribe. Not all black nationalist want to find a homeland, like me. NAtionalism isn't about demographic orders/rankings or militarism or finding a homeland. The NAzis for example were nationalist+militants+socialists three separate things that when together is interesting. 

I didn't mention the Black Elephants/Republicans or Black Donkeys/Democrats. Two big groups relatively, who again, they can't even organize with each other, so how can they organize with other tribes? 

But the point being, mechanisms require the tribes to be what they are not. Or for one tribe to put in serious work to make it so. 

I argue the best suited black tribes in the usa for such mechanisms are nation of islam/Black elephants{or a section fo them}/Black one percent. 

The conservative white jewish tribe is the oldest money in the white jewish populace. The Black One percent , again James Forten, has always existed. Now, many of them have intentionally whited their bloodlines, ala getting poor whites to literally mate with their children to start a process. Many of them don't care for each other. so they lack the cohesiveness, but Profd, you always talk about money, and knowing so many grand strategies, become rich and change the black one percent in the USA. 

 

50 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Racism as a system does not have to be eternal.  It can be dismantled.

 

well... that all depends on what a system is

51 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Sure.  Human beings will have their biases.  It should never be used to oppress, malign or mistreat others.

biases by default are positive or negative, both are eternal and by default a negative bias oppress/malign/mistreat/abuse another. 

 

Thinking on @Pioneer1 query of critical race theory, in my view, the solution to bell's thesis is what pioneer always talks about, the law. Said law is how negative bias can be letigated. It will always exist and always abuse, by default, the law cant' stop that .  but if laws can be worded very carefully and enforced with a true neutrality, which humans can't do, negative bias can be letigated against. 

As I said, when you look at the usa historically, the biggest problem in the jim crow era is the law, but it isn't black people breaking the law as some blacks erroneously, say it is white people breaking the law. 

In that smithsonian branch, they have an artwork depecting the number of hangings, but how does anyone know if that is true? 

If you start from the thefts of our forebears: every single white person in the usa, or wherever black people were sent to in the american continent or asia or europe was aiding or abetting, a crime of rape/torture/enslavement/assault . Now, some can argue, all of that was legal, albeit criminal but once the 13th amendment was implemented. Every single black person hanged/burned alive/raped/attacked on the road by whites, every black person's home that was vandalized by whites/ every black person harassed while voting by whites, every black person attacked in a school by whites/ every black person abused by white law enforcers[miranda rights], every black person abused by white jailors[not given food, not given clothes] were all illegalities. But what percentage of white terror against innocent law abiding black people went to court? I bet less than one percent. So, the law is the only tool in the usa to make those who commit  negative bias pay for the act, not stop the acts, cause humans are human, but pay for the acts. But, again, Trayvon martin  kills that path. Emmit till killed it, but people can consider that the pass... 

The usa doesn't have the legal framework to enforce law enough to make negative biasers pay, evenly. 

Now maybe wealthy black dosers can pay for legal fees but how many crimes against black people still don't go to court today? that is a huge financial expense and Black One PErcent are very addicted to revenue return, the idea of investing in court cases that return no money is not appealing to them, but Profd there is it, get rich and change them .  

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

 

The white jewish populace isn't one people really. They have three main tribes Reformers/Orthodox/Conservative...

 

You say mechanicsms, but the tribes is the variance. 

All three of the white jewish tribes in the usa have financial potency

Regardless of how Jews are subdivided, they have organizations like B'nai B'rith & Anti-Defamation League & Jewish Defense League ready, willing & able to level charges of antisemitism against anyone who insults them.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

you said

On 2/27/2026 at 12:58 PM, richardmurray said:

Black folks need the same mechanisms Jews have when they accuse people of being antisemitic.

I provided in the following comment an answer on how blacks in the usa need to change to can get the type of mechanisms you give as example organizations : B'nai B'rith & Anti-Defamation League & Jewish Defense League. 

https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12488-do-you-vote-for-awards-shows-to-go-away/#findComment-80419

then you state

On 2/27/2026 at 2:31 PM, ProfD said:

Regardless of how Jews are subdivided

You reply to my comment with a discarding of my comments point, solutions/answers... things don't get better or worse by magic, they have processes, the future is made in the past, inevitabilities in the future stem from choices in the past. 

 

[ProfD]

 

6 hours ago, richardmurray said:

You reply to my comment with a discarding of my comments point, solutions/answers...

It was not my intention to discard your comments.

 

6 hours ago, richardmurray said:

things don't get better or worse by magic, they have processes, the future is made in the past, inevitabilities in the future stem from choices in the past. 

True. Corrections can be made but it requires a ton of vision, effort & action.