Is DEI still needed?

[richardmurray]

Economic Corner 19
While most in media focus on diversity/equity/inclusion or D.E.I.  as opportunities for non white heterosexual christian nondisabled males, doesn't D.E.I. threaten an oldest fiscal heritage in the U.S.A. of unwarranted advantages or unbounded allowances for white heterosexual christian nondisabled males in the financial arena? 

 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

...doesn't D.E.I. threaten an oldest fiscal heritage in the U.S.A. of unwarranted advantages or unbounded allowances for white heterosexual christian nondisabled males in the financial arena? 

IMO, DEI was never a threat to those who have benefitted the most from privilege, advantages & allowances...white men.

 

White men have a monopoly on power & money that will only be overthrown by external forces &/or their own implosion.

 

DEI like anything else was used as an illusion of providing access to opportunities.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

On 2/23/2026 at 9:19 PM, ProfD said:

IMO, DEI was never a threat to those who have benefitted the most from privilege, advantages & allowances...white men.

 

White men have a monopoly on power & money that will only be overthrown by external forces &/or their own implosion.

 

DEI like anything else was used as an illusion of providing access to opportunities.

Right, even in DEI's height, most opportunities/advantages still went to white men. So, I ask the following after a preface. 

MY PREFACE

most white men today are complaining that they don't have the 99% level of opportunities/advantages that they had till the 1960s hit.  Their argument is that non whites/non males/ non christians or other groups opportunities /advantages are uneven. But that means their not merely arguing about having the majority, whether they admit it or not , they are arguing about not having it all.  And DEI to be blunt, does diminish their percentage of advantage or opportunity, it doesn't delete them having the majority, but their problem isn't in having the majority their problem is in others having anything at all. 

MY QUESTION

Doesn't DEI lessen the opportunities to white male hetero christians, even if it doesn't or can't lead to a diminishing of said white male opportunity/advantages into a minority place? 

IN AMENDMENT

You mention DEI being an illusion. I can't concur to that because I saw black people or non white male christian ~ who benefited from it. Was DEI through fiscal management or fiscal strategies? no. If by illusion you mean it wasn't something that was determined through the fiscal marketplace, I concur 100% to you. DEI was engined through media/social pressure/a set of elected officials trying to sate a voting base. DEI wasn't through the market place, so the moment, elected officials changes or social pressure lessened or the media made poisonous, DEI was in trouble of being maintained, and all three of said things happened. But it doesn't mean it is illusory. It isn't through the marketplace. But I must say what should be common knowledge, the problem in the usa with those who are not white male christians ~ is that all of their populaces have a heritage of financial absence based on the militaristic power of said white male chrsitians~ . To restate, I once spoke to a group of women, all business owners,  having a conference on womens business. I was invited by a female friend, who yes owns a business,  and I was offered the chance to speak. So I told the women the truth as a man. Male wealth doesn't come from education or hard work or any of the things they mentioned they needed to do.. It comes from cheating, it comes from abusing, it comes from legal crimes, enslaving people legally. So women trying to improve the financial condition of women will need that same reality. And I mentioned rockefeller center. The elder rockefeller wasn't a genius, didn't have some grand schooling. Didn't have a rich uncle to help him. But the elder rockefeller knew how to cheat, was in an environment where he could cheat, white male law enforcement has always allowed white males various criminal fiscal activity legal or not. Women don't have that. But if women are willing to cheat or scheme they will find the same financial levels as men. But if women think they can follow the law and have some complex financial plan. I told them , I know of many black business owners, all very nice people, none of the them broke the law, all of them have struggled and worked hard every day and none of them ever got to the great halls of money. 

The point in that retelling is, black fiscal wealth, female fiscal wealth, muslim fiscal wealth, indigenous fiscal wealth, any group in the usa not white male christian heterosexual ~  in the usa is temporally behind said white male ~ wealth, none of them can recover lost time through the rules or what schemes somebody suggested will work. Now some will always mention the white jew. But as I have said in this very forum, I was unwilling to search for the post for I am pressed for time, the white jewish populace is very small. And financially you can't relate the jewish populace in the usa which is maximum seven million people with white german american/circa forty million, black americans[dos +modern immigrant]/fifty two million, female americans/one hundred and sixty seven million. The global jewish population is fifteen million people:) Why do so many people speak of the jewish population as an example of anything? unless they plan on killing most of their people to be so small in populace? And no, the white jewish model can't work for larger populaces. The poor white trash who are mostly german americans are in a populace that has a six hundred percent larger need of resources. The black american populace so many including other blacks call lazy or in need of better thinking or some negative has a seven hundred percent larger need of resources. And I don't have to explain how much black wealth has been undermined by whites in the usa i hope. People talk about Tulsa but how much generational wealth has literally been destroyed by white terror in the usa. Is their a financial way to calculate that lose? i don't really know.  By the following website. 

https://dqydj.com/income-by-race/

a third of a million black people make sixty thousand or more in the usa today. So that isn't bad. Remember, we are still an abused peoples by whites, even today. yes, their are more opportunities today but when you consider, all the black towns in the former confederate are in financially restrictive places, and said black people in towns have no where to go. Their are issues financially, that must be considered with black people in the usa, that whites, even if jewish don't have in 2026. 

Based on whitey as well

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/economics-and-well-being-among-u-s-jews/

circa twenty six percent of white jews, who are simply white people of the jewish faith,  have fifty to one hundred thousand, dollars  Twenty five percent of seven million is, one million, and seven hundred and fifty thousand and this is from a white jewish populace that has never been denied business ownership, not merely in the usa but in the european countries that made the usa, has always been in the halls of money through banking, which offers them alot of connections that white abused minorities like the romani of europe/the gypsies never had. So I argue, in fifty years  with hard work and accepting white abuse with a smile, the black wealthy in the usa will be as large in populace as the white jew in total, but that doesn't mean that the entire black populace in the usa can be wealthy absent access to slavery/genocide/or similar negative acts as tools of financial betterment. 

[ProfD]

7 hours ago, richardmurray said:

MY PREFACE

most white men today are complaining that they don't have the 99% level of opportunities/advantages that they had till the 1960s hit. 

 

...but their problem isn't in having the majority their problem is in others having anything at all. 

Those white men need to take that issue up with the rich & powerful white men who put DEI in place.

 

7 hours ago, richardmurray said:

MY QUESTION

Doesn't DEI lessen the opportunities to white male hetero christians, even if it doesn't or can't lead to a diminishing of said white male opportunity/advantages into a minority place? 

Again...no.

 

DEI prevents white men from having it all but it doesn't put a dent in their privilege, advantages & allowances.

 

7 hours ago, richardmurray said:

If by illusion you mean it wasn't something that was determined through the fiscal marketplace, I concur 100% to you. DEI was engined through media/social pressure/a set of elected officials trying to sate a voting base.

Correct. 

 

7 hours ago, richardmurray said:

DEI wasn't through the market place, so the moment, elected officials changes or social pressure lessened or the media made poisonous, DEI was in trouble of being maintained, and all three of said things happened. But it doesn't mean it is illusory.

DEI exists but it is illusory in terms of undermining white men.

7 hours ago, richardmurray said:

Now some will always mention the white jew.

 

The global jewish population is fifteen million people:)

 

Why do so many people speak of the jewish population as an example of anything?

 

And no, the white jewish model can't work for larger populaces.

Fifteen million Jews is 2X the population of NYC. 

 

Those fifteen million Jews would fill almost 15 of the least populous states in the USA.

 

Beyond money, Jews have a level of protection that isn't extended to other groups of people.

 

Black folks do not have a similar level of investment & protection at the rate our people are oppressed, slandered, hurt &/or killled.

 

Black folks do not have the equivalent of an Anti-Defamation League, B'nai B'rith or Jewish Defense League.

 

That's part of the reason Jews are mentioned. They have benefited exponentially since their holocaust.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

DEI prevents white men from having it all but it doesn't put a dent in their privilege, advantages & allowances.

 

dei prevents having it all, but it doesn't prevent them in having it all? do you realize your sentence here?

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

Fifteen million Jews is 2X the population of NYC. 

 

no nyc has ten million people in it. 

 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

Beyond money, Jews have a level of protection that isn't extended to other groups of people.

 

this is not true, white jews are white, that is the protection. that is the problem with how people view them, white jews are white , yes white jews are a group in the white populace, but they are white and that is the protection

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

That's part of the reason Jews are mentioned. They have benefited exponentially since their holocaust.

they were heavy benefitters before then, the terror by german christians onto german jews was bloody but white jews in europe since constantine , emperor of rome in nova roma, had financial growth of a high level per their small populace. In moorish spain they had it. I argue they had more globally in pre nazi europe than after nazi europe, before nazi europe the white jew owned many things in europe and outside of it. The key variance today is israel .  White jews financial reality is bloated. The numbers on the site I presented to you show the truth, the key to white jews isn't huge amounts of wealth but that a small populace again, fifteen million white jews compared to fifty two million black people in the usa is a huge difference. White jews owned black people. WHite jews killed native americans and stole their land. The most fiscally proftiable gang in prohibition was the white jewish purple gang. so... again, the people mentioning them aren't stating the parameters of their success. The people mentioning white jews are looking at white jews revenue but not the condition of their populace. 

mainland CHina has four to five million millionaires. Globally i think it is like twelve million. So the number of chinese , white asian, millionaires is bgger than the entire populace of white jews. 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/702759/china-number-of-millionaires/

BUT, the chinese populace isn't just millionaires, it is near two billion people, most of whom are dirt poor. Now, you and others idolizing the financial aspects of the white jewish populace , what do you suggest to diminish the quantity of fiscally poor chinese? should the chinese millionaires + billionaires kills the rest of the chinese? 

The chinese have more millionaires than the entire damn white jewish populace. So, now what? Again, large populaces can not be fiscally related to the white jew and anyone who tries it can't back up their stance by anything but stupidity. 

A community of ten people compared to a community of a thousand is not the same. The real reason people mention the white ew is cause many people are stupid and don't know to assess their own populace evenly to others. 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

dei prevents having it all, but it doesn't prevent them in having it all? do you realize your sentence here?

Re-read my sentence again.

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

no nyc has ten million people in it. 

OK.  For a long time, NYC was the city of 8 million people.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

The key variance today is israel .  White jews financial reality is bloated. The numbers on the site I presented to you show the truth, the key to white jews isn't huge amounts of wealth...

The USA has been providing billions of dollars to Israel since 1948.  Do the math.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

Now, you and others idolizing the financial aspects of the white jewish populace ,

Not sure why you're calling it idolatry.  Not the case. 

 

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

Usa gives billions of dollars to egypt to, israel isn't alone in the money giving, many countries get usa money. andby 2026 this has been going on for decades. 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

Usa gives billions of dollars to egypt to, israel isn't alone in the money giving, many countries get usa money. andby 2026 this has been going on for decades. 

Sure.  The USA provides billions of dollars to many countries all over the planet in the form of soft power.

 

However, since 1948, the USA has had an even more special relationship with Israel.  Mainly because Israel is our spy in the Middle East.

[Pioneer1]

Is it still needed?

 

I don't know what good it did in the FIRST place.

Who are all of these Black folks who are being hooked up and given good paying jobs through Affirmative Action and DEI?
Where they at?
I wanna talk to them....lol.

 

Infact, I hadn't even HEARD of "DEI" until a few years ago on the news when White Conservatives were railing against it.
Same with Critical Race Theory.
 

I guess whether you benefit from it or know about it or not depends on the circles you run in, lol.

Affirmative Action....DEI...that's just shit you see and hear on television, but I don't see them even being USED let alone effective in real life.
 

Working in the 80s, 90s, and beyond....the Black people I worked around were getting hired and fired like other races.
Infact, Black folks were getting fired more than Whites were.
Where was this "affirmative action"???

I had to apply to certain jobs and got hired or overlooked.
I'm not sure how "affirmative action" or "dei" helped me.

 

Don't point to a hand full of niggaz sitting at a desk somewhere in New York or Washington and say "Black folks" are benefiting from Affirmative Action or call them "DEI hires".
That's only a handful out of MILLIONS of Black folks in the work force who have to apply and are subject to getting let go or demoted like others.
Millions who are either unemployed or under employed.....where is DEI or Affirmative Action for them???

I'm beginning to believe that many of these programs exist ONLY to piss off White folks and justify their angry and hatred.

Affirmative Action
DEI
Reparations Studies
Critical Race Theory

They don't really help Black folks or provide benefits to us.
They don't even COME from us!  They come from White folks who invent this shit.

White folks made them up like straw men or targets......totally useless EXCEPT as something White racists can point to as examples of "reverse discrimination".
 

[richardmurray]

@Pioneer1 

18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Is it still needed?

 

I don't know what good it did in the FIRST place.

Who are all of these Black folks who are being hooked up and given good paying jobs through Affirmative Action and DEI?
Where they at?
I wanna talk to them....lol.

 

Infact, I hadn't even HEARD of "DEI" until a few years ago on the news when White Conservatives were railing against it.
Same with Critical Race Theory.
 

I guess whether you benefit from it or know about it or not depends on the circles you run in, lol.

Affirmative Action....DEI...that's just shit you see and hear on television, but I don't see them even being USED let alone effective in real life.
 

Working in the 80s, 90s, and beyond....the Black people I worked around were getting hired and fired like other races.
Infact, Black folks were getting fired more than Whites were.
Where was this "affirmative action"???

I had to apply to certain jobs and got hired or overlooked.
I'm not sure how "affirmative action" or "dei" helped me.

 

Don't point to a hand full of niggaz sitting at a desk somewhere in New York or Washington and say "Black folks" are benefiting from Affirmative Action or call them "DEI hires".
That's only a handful out of MILLIONS of Black folks in the work force who have to apply and are subject to getting let go or demoted like others.
Millions who are either unemployed or under employed.....where is DEI or Affirmative Action for them???

I'm beginning to believe that many of these programs exist ONLY to piss off White folks and justify their angry and hatred.

Affirmative Action
DEI
Reparations Studies
Critical Race Theory

They don't really help Black folks or provide benefits to us.
They don't even COME from us!  They come from White folks who invent this shit.

White folks made them up like straw men or targets......totally useless EXCEPT as something White racists can point to as examples of "reverse discrimination".

 

well... 

Each is distinct from the other. 

Affirmative Action is really, a federal level legal action designed to make it where . Remember the KErner Commission [ https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2685&type=status  ]  . Affirmative action says, institutions dealing with the federal government and by top down state and counties and city governments have to open up their hiring practice. The problem is affirmative action doesn't handle private business affairs. When colleges take federal money, when city governments hire people, affirmative action is the tool to open up uneven hiring practices. 

 

DEI diversity equity and inclusion isn't about the government, it is about private enterprise, which evaded changing its practices with affirmative action in the past. The problem is, the USA has a free market capitalistic heritage, which means ownership has value. Ownership gives you power, this is the legacy of the enslavers. Even though over ninety percent of fiscal wealth is inherited, and over ninety percent of inherited wealth can trace its roots to whites using genocide to the first peoples plus enslavement to the black dosers , the modern legal code in the usa doesn't have a way of taking wealth and redistributing it for past crimes, ala no reparations as well. But what that means is, the only way to change private enterprise is through small measures with the hope that it will allow those known to be abused to take advantage and change the market environment. 

 

Reparations isn't about money, reparations is about repairing, but here is the problem. How do you repair a relationship that was never positive in the first place. The problem with reparations is that those who study it, are trying to find a way to make peace between two people who never had any in  the first place. 

The history of black people is far older than almina. BUT, the start of BLACK DOSers from Canada to USA to Argentina to India to China is enslavement, it isn't even betrayal. And thus how do you repair losing everything? it can't be done. Money can't buy the past. Money can't buy the lost heritages. ... Money has limits. this is part of why blacks in usa and the other mentioned places have just embraced the places. Because all DOSers know, the past can not be reclaimed. The damage was too extensive, unless someone has a time machine, it can't be done. That heritage is what needs to be repaired, that can't be repaired. that was the whole point of the fiscal enterprise in all the oceanic enslavements, trans atlantic, trans indian, out of africa. to delete the heritage of black people to bind them to wherever they landed by truths that even if unshackled, learned, monied they couldn't undo. 

 

Critical Race Theory started by Bell has one agenda, to try and create a new culture that can fit all peoples in it. It is a Black STatian, you and @ProfD 's tribe functional desire since James Forten, who again, was a black fiscally successful business owner who fought for the usa to be born. The problem is, the desire by Forten was always very complex in a country like the usa where so many in it , are in it, not to be mixed or work together , but for various negativities. lets call it like it, the usa has only three groups of people from why they are here perspective. 

First Peoples who are original inhabitants and have suffered at the hands of unwanted immigrants, whether legal or not,  or those descended from unwanted immigrants constantly

Black DOSers who never wanted to be here and were bred and enslaved till this hell hole is all they know

Immigrants who are the fiscal poor/unwanted/dregs from various parts of the world , starting with europe who never would had left the country they came from if rich/powerful/safe.

So no one is in the usa cause they want to be part of an interracial body. No one. thus why, bell and others desires always fall flat. The truth is a powerful things. 

 

But, you have four different things.

 

A legal tool to even out the demographics of the federal government, which I argue have worked. 

A soft tool that couldn't lead to permanancy in changing the private sector

A bunch of people trying to figure out how to repair the unrepairable

A bunch of people trying to figure out how to design a culture that no one is present/purposed for be embraced by all. 

 

These are four unique things. 

[Pioneer1]

frankster

 

Affirmative action says, institutions dealing with the federal government and by top down state and counties and city governments have to open up their hiring practice. The problem is affirmative action doesn't handle private business affairs. When colleges take federal money, when city governments hire people, affirmative action is the tool to open up uneven hiring practices. 

 
I haven't had a government job.
Maybe that's why I didn't see the effect of it.

I applied for many government jobs and am qualified to get them, but still didn't get hired despite putting down my race...lol.
Not sure what was going on.

 

 

 

DEI diversity equity and inclusion isn't about the government, it is about private enterprise, which evaded changing its practices with affirmative action in the past.

 

Ok, thank you for clarifying that.

I was getting ready to send your ass to Haiti, but I change my mind now....lol.
 

[richardmurray]

@Pioneer1 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I haven't had a government job.
Maybe that's why I didn't see the effect of it.

I applied for many government jobs and am qualified to get them, but still didn't get hired despite putting down my race...lol.
Not sure what was going on.

exactly, most black people didn't. The private sector used human resource departments to avoid the lawsuits by saying they have jobs open to all, even though as a number of recent cases have proven, this was to cover them keeping the same nepotistic or phenotypically biased hiring practices. 

And since most black people still live in the confederate states, well I don't have to explain how louisiana/mississippi/georgia/south carolina/virginia/alabama/florida/arkansas/tennessee white governments would not hire black people , and with the structure of the federal government, states hiring is hard to make a federal issues without blunt evidence. 

So between black people living in white states that don't hire black people in government jobs outside black elected officials having the power to 

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white private sector firms using human resources to dodge civil rights act lawsuits while maintaining their pro white hiring practices through nepotism or anti black hiriing practice 

meant 

most blacks didn't financially benefit. And those who did became the token blacks working at every white firm in the usa that couldn't afford or wanted to evade the lawsuit. 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Ok, thank you for clarifying that.

I was getting ready to send your ass to Haiti, but I change my mind now....lol.

hilarious:) 

You didn't realize that? 

I ponder how you couldn't realize that?