Do you believe in first come first serve in hiring?

[richardmurray]

Would you implement community service to expand the labor force?

https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/676-economic-corner-38-03102026/

 

[Pioneer1]

To get the nation out of the Great Depression, one of my favorite Presidents.....Franklin D. Roosevelt......implemented community service projects and conservation and agricultural project to employ low skilled and unskilled people by the millions and used government funds to pay them decent wages and raise them out of poverty.

My Father remembered some of these projects.

There were "work camps" all around the nation, including down south....employing a lot of Black folks.

[ProfD]

Sure, i believe in 1st come 1st served in hiring as long as folks are *qualified* to do the *work*.

[richardmurray]

@Pioneer1 

I have relatives who were alive during that time, most of those jobs went to whites though blacks did get some and considering black hiring in the private sector which was corretly 99% white didn't hire blacks, that action from FDR was huge for black people in the arena of labor.

@ProfD 

 

8 hours ago, ProfD said:

Sure, i believe in 1st come 1st served in hiring as long as folks are *qualified* to do the *work*.

hmmm, qualification standards in labor in the united states of america has two historic problems, which are still relevant in modernity.

1) qualifications being met rarely equate to the quality of performance by one in a job. for example, many lawyers or engineers exists in the usa , to fit in any demographic category, and yet, the judgable performance of lawyers/elected officials who are mostly lawyers/corporate executive officiers who are mostly lawyers/engineers/the ceos who are engineers  through private practices, laws made in government, publicly traded firms products or operations are very poor in the united states of america. The proof that qualifications being met don't relate to quality in the job is throughout the usa in many examples. 

2)qualifications rarely matter to the acquisition of a job. I don't need to remind anybody not white or male that only from 1980 onward has a majority of jobs in the usa been remotely possible for someone not white male christian to acquire. I can tell you from my own parents how many jobs they were denied for being black. They fit all of those stated qualifications and it didn't mean a damn thing cause the person in charge of hiring, whether they admitted it or not, was looking for someone white, and probably a friend or relative, in opposition to caring about stated qualifications for whatever labor they offer. 

 

So I comprehend your desire to have first come first serve attached to some qualification, assuming the qualification can be made even which... is doubtful. But, qualifications to be blunt, is another form of gatekeeping on job opportunities, which straightly impedes the goal of getting jobs moving. 

 

Now maybe you are arguing that the qualifications set for most jobs in the usa are erroneous or negative or imbalanced to the jobs in question. But that goes back to the lack of quality to whomever is in charge or the labor opportunities. 

 

Meeting halfway, I think a better thing isn't to have qualifications , but to have more well defined probationary periods, not one period but periods. MEaning most jobs have an unwritten probationary period or a probationary period that is unchallenging. I argue, all jobs expose what you know or don't know, what skills you have or don't have ,  to perform the task any job need. 

 

For example, a brain surgeon,  instead of a degree or doctor of philosophy from the massachuestts institute of technology, what if a first probationary period determing whether you are a decent doctor is key? do you know how to fill out forms, handle cuts bruises, handle emergency situations with many injured, speak to the ill plus their loving ones. if you show you do then you go to the next tier. in the next tier, can you stitch a stomach wound, scan perform an invasive procedure in the arm. 

 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

hmmm, qualification standards in labor in the united states of america has two historic problems, which are still relevant in modernity.

 

For example, a brain surgeon...

I would prefer that a brain surgeon be *qualified* to perform that work.

 

Nobody wants their head cut open & brain exposed by someone who watched a few Youtube videos & think they got it.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

18 hours ago, ProfD said:

I would prefer that a brain surgeon be *qualified* to perform that work.

 

Nobody wants their head cut open & brain exposed by someone who watched a few Youtube videos & think they got it.

 

I would prefer too, all would and will prefer, but the question is what determines qualification? the key is the question of how is qualifications determined?

When relatives of mine have been malpracticed on by doctors, what was the penalty to said doctors, who are supposedly qualified because of pieces of paper from columbia and MIT and Johns Hopkins? the answer is nothing. So,  your correct, all people want the best healthcare BUT what determines the person who is the best? pieces of paper. 

Again, the united states of america is a case study on the lack of quality. 

The Newspapers reporters or owners are clearly lacking in quality because

Hospitals have daily malpractice suits, from supposed qualified folk , supposedly trained to be the best doctors 

Law Enforcement agencies have mounds of domestic violence or domestic abuse claims unattended from supposedly qualified folk, supposedly trained to be the best law enforcers.

Billion Dollar firms in the usa continually are bankrupt and need saving administered by supposedly qualified folk, supposedly trained to be the best business operators or lawyers.

 

The Newspapers will put on page one when a black child steals an apple or a black adult holds a knife.

But medical malpractice in the united states of america has always been rampant, and always protected from negative public opinion by media. And medical malpractice occurs from those supposedly qualified so... where is their demerit? how are they then unqualified? Don't tell me a doctor that has medical malpractice is still qualified. And for anyone who feels doctors have earned the right of mistake, well I want you to lose someone you love right now and then tell me how you feel. 

Law Enforcement costs the usa billions in civil court because of law enforcers committing crimes. PEople talk about city budget but the NYPD has cost NYC since the 1970s billions of dollars in civil court. And, lets not go into the fact that the NYPD alone has a much longer history of criminal activity that it was completely protected from. So , do their badges burn when their fail in quality? How do they remain qualified ? 

When the entire banking industry went bankrupt in the united states of america filled with massachusetts of institute of technology graduates, doesn't that mean MIT's teaching qualifications or Goldman Sach's and simila firms accounting qualifications are proven false? Don't tell me it was their plan to go bankrupt and beg for money worse than any black woman on welfare ever did, or as well as white women on welfare have. 

 

Yes, people learning online may be no better as doctors or law enforcers or corporate executive officers but if they are learning from what is given in a short time, how is that worse than people supposedly trained to be the best whom have already shown a lack of quality and lost any admission of qualification if honest? 

 

I don't sense penalty in the usa for those who are supposedly qualified to do anything, whether it is failing elected officials, failing corporate executive officers, failing doctors , failing law enforcers all of whom are plenty in modern day , 2026 , usa. 

 

So maybe first come first serve as a penalty for proving oneself unqualified is the answer.

 

 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

I would prefer too, all would and will prefer, but the question is what determines qualification? the key is the question of how is qualifications determined?

Qualifications are determined & taught by subject matter experts in a given field.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

When relatives of mine have been malpracticed on by doctors, what was the penalty to said doctors, who are supposedly qualified because of pieces of paper from columbia and MIT and Johns Hopkins? the answer is nothing.

Reads like your relatives didn't hire the *right* lawyers.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

But medical malpractice in the united states of america has always been rampant, and always protected from negative public opinion by media. And medical malpractice occurs from those supposedly qualified so... where is their demerit? how are they then unqualified?

Many people &/or their families have won medical malpractice lawsuits.

 

Doctors with a track record of failure lose their medical licenses. 

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

Law Enforcement costs the usa billions in civil court because of law enforcers committing crimes. PEople talk about city budget but the NYPD has cost NYC since the 1970s billions of dollars in civil court.

All jurisdictions put a certain amount aside for civil litigation. 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

So , do their badges burn when their fail in quality? How do they remain qualified ? 

Some law enforcement officers have been stripped of their badges or fired or imprisoned for committing crimes. 

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

When the entire banking industry went bankrupt in the united states of america filled with massachusetts of institute of technology graduates, doesn't that mean MIT's teaching qualifications or Goldman Sach's and simila firms accounting qualifications are proven false?

Failure of banking systems is a function of greed fueled by risky & bad investments.

 

The qualified people know exactly what they're doing even if it means running a business into the ground. 

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

Yes, people learning online may be no better as doctors or law enforcers or corporate executive officers but if they are learning from what is given in a short time, how is that worse than people supposedly trained to be the best whom have already shown a lack of quality and lost any admission of qualification if honest? 

Experience & track record among other factors separates the amateurs & pros.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

I don't sense penalty in the usa for those who are supposedly qualified to do anything, whether it is failing elected officials, failing corporate executive officers, failing doctors , failing law enforcers all of whom are plenty in modern day , 2026 , usa. 

There are penalties for failure.  We don't always hear about it.

 

Qualifications do not equal perfection. Humans are flawed. They will make mistakes too.

 

However, I believe legitimate doctors save more lives than they lose.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

19 hours ago, ProfD said:

Qualifications are determined & taught by subject matter experts in a given field.

 

who or what determines who is a subject matter expert?  better questions... who does profd rely on to determine who is a subject matter expect? how does profd determine who is a subject matter expert?

 

I will speak for myself and say, pieces of paper mean nothing to me in determining if someone is an expert

 

19 hours ago, ProfD said:

Reads like your relatives didn't hire the *right* lawyers.

 

let's jump beyond my relatives, all the black people in the usa who deal with tons of abuses, sometimes leading to death, daily, from law enforcers, from banks, from hospitals. I assume you feel the answer to these abusers is in the court room? So these abusers outside of being penalized after someone takes them to court or just free to continue?

 

19 hours ago, ProfD said:

any people &/or their families have won medical malpractice lawsuits.

 

Doctors with a track record of failure lose their medical licenses. 

not most people win medical malpractice lawsuits let alone as you asserted earlier, most people provide a lawsuit from this little unimportant thing to you called fiscal poverty.

why does a track record have to occur? how many errors on a record warrant demeriting? Funny, when a black child steals an apple, black people have no mercy in claiming that child did a wrong above wrongs but a white man with a piece of paper, needs how many strikes before he is outcase as a doctor? what number is it exactly? Or is it a random number? 

Gardless, most doctors with a track record of failure don't lose their license, and more importantly , in the usa at least, most doctors are allowed at least one failure which goes to my point. qualifications mean nothing when no penalty exist.

19 hours ago, ProfD said:

ll jurisdictions put a certain amount aside for civil litigation. 

Are you suggesting the city of new york has a surplus of cash left from its reservoir of losing lawsuit money. You do realize what your saying? I hope you do. 

Your telling me NYC had 1.5 billion dollars prepared for 2024 for civil litigation, who gave them this money? the federal government has never done anything like that. NYC gets money from new york state which it has to beg for every year, without new york state money new york city is collapsed with no question. Your telling me NY state gave ny city 1.5 billion dollars in preparation:) come on! but ok, if that is your position, just give me a yes or no and be gone

https://comptroller.nyc.gov/newsroom/city-paid-1-45b-in-settlements-last-fiscal-year-nyc-comptroller-finds-in-fy-2023-claims-report/

19 hours ago, ProfD said:

Some law enforcement officers have been stripped of their badges or fired or imprisoned for committing crimes. 

 

not most, this goes back to the jim crow era, the black populace in the usa from 1865 to 1980 had millions of cases that never went to court based on white terrorism. Millions of cases. I am 100% certain less than one percent of the law enforcers who abused black people at any given year from 1865 to 2026, any year, not one percent of the combined years, less than one percent of any given year.  And I extend that to all fiedls. to restate, less than one percent of the incidents of law enforcers who serve white no matter their phenotype, doctors who serve white no matter their phenotype, white owned firms  abusing/terrorizing/harming black people were taken to court in any given year from 1865 to 2026. So then from the less than one percent of court cases that even were started by black people against their white abusers in whatever form,  then you have the rate of success of court cases which means ten percent of cases had success. Cause white law enforcement/ white medical services /white fiscal firms usually win ninety percent of the time. So, ten percent of less than one percent which is VALUE: 

if WhiteTerror ~ to millions of incidents of terror by white to blacks per year

VLAUE= (WhiteTerror/.99/10)

Your correct, it is some, the question then is, to any black person, is that some something you respect or view positively or not. I view it as feces, you view it as something to be noted. ok, even enough

19 hours ago, ProfD said:

Failure of banking systems is a function of greed fueled by risky & bad investments.

 

The qualified people know exactly what they're doing even if it means running a business into the ground. 

A logic people like you keep saying makes no sense to people like me, you keep touting greed as a negative element in fiscal capitalsim, when by default greed is inherent. 

Greed has nothing to do with it. The fiscally successful business is greedy. The fiscally ruinous business is greedy. It is quality and the point is, a failing business is not a sign of positive quality. 

By your words, a firm failing or succeeding is not a measure of quality. Because someone you deem qualified no matter what results you can't delete your deeming, cause you consider the results of their actions  never warranting declassficiation or dequalification. 

That is dysfunctional to me, but ok. 

19 hours ago, ProfD said:

Experience & track record among other factors separates the amateurs & pros.

Are you saying that those you label amateur are not qualified and those you label pros are qualified? the issue here is qualification . You have now added two terms that in my mind have nothing to do with qualification. 

19 hours ago, ProfD said:

There are penalties for failure.  We don't always hear about it.

 

Qualifications do not equal perfection. Humans are flawed. They will make mistakes too.

 

However, I believe legitimate doctors save more lives than they lose.

I don't know everything that happens in humanity, your right. I can only guess everything that happens in humanity. But I can tell you from all that I have heard, less than one percent of those deemed qualified gets penalty for harming black people in the usa. 

I promised the following beforehand , I hope everyone in your family get sick in hospitals, hurt by law enforcement and cheated by firms and then tell me about mistakes. 

 

That is third term you have added, to me,  legitimate/amateur/pros are unrelated terms to qualified or qualification. Legitimate means of the law. The law can't qualify anything outside the law. Quality is a measure of oneself. A law's quality is in the law itself, its results. A doctors quality is in the doctors results. a law enforcers quality is in how they enforce the law. a fiscal firms quality is in their ability to make money/fiscus. Amateur/lover + professional/pros/one who does a thing are misused words in modernity that have nothing to do with their literal intent, it is another linguistic statianism. But one deemed an amateur in modernity is differenced by one deemed a professional in modernity by revenue to labor or scale to profit. 

 

But as for the gathering of doctors in the usa, do I think they heal[not just save lives] more than they harm[not just murder]? that is a great question you pose. sadfully, I don't know.  I can't give a weight to either side. I know doctors in the usa have harmed and are harming, while also healed and are healing.  Belief in this case will require me to give benefit of doubt to the usa or its people and i never have and never will, the majority of people in the usa will always be scum for me. 

[ProfD]

22 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

...white terrorism. ...And I extend that to all fiedls. to restate, less than one percent of the incidents of law enforcers who serve white no matter their phenotype, doctors who serve white no matter their phenotype, white owned firms  abusing/terrorizing/harming black people were taken to court in any given year from 1865 to 2026. 

 

Cause white law enforcement/ white medical services /white fiscal firms usually win ninety percent of the time.

Herein lies your issue.  It is with the system of racism white supremacy.  Please share your idea(s) of how to dismantle it.

 

22 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

I promised the following beforehand , I hope everyone in your family get sick in hospitals, hurt by law enforcement and cheated by firms and then tell me about mistakes. 

Not sure of why you would hope that everyone in my family suffers misfortune. 

 

However, I can assure you that being keenly aware of the ups & downs of life & ultimately human mortality, I've never been adversely affected emotionally by it including my own family members, friends & associates.  Such is a part of life.

 

 

22 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

Belief in this case will require me to give benefit of doubt to the usa or its people and i never have and never will, the majority of people in the usa will always be scum for me. 

I'm not surprised.  it comes through in your posts.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

35 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Herein lies your issue.  It is with the system of racism white supremacy.  Please share your idea(s) of how to dismantle it.

 

Well, I treat each government in humanity individually. China isn't the usa, the usa isn't nigeria,  nigeria isn't bolivia. governments have alliances or agreements but those ties can be changed or manipulated... I don't have an issue with any system in the usa because in my view, the usa is what it always was starting from european colonies and always will be, a country composed of various peoples who are dysfunctional as groups with nothing in common in an integrated chaos led by individuals continually funneled in by immigration from various peoples outside the usa who keep it afloat with their individuality in various arenas from government to finance. To rephase, a potent shithole of individuals. Benjamin Franklin who published join or die begged england to bend a little to keep the colonies in the english empire. Thomas Jefferson alone wrote the declaration while he and all of his peers in private showed total disbelief to everything he wrote. George Wahsington went against nearly all his peers and stepped down voluntarily. James Forten , a black man, was a business owner literally fighting aside white men who felt the 95% of black people enslaved to whites had to stay in that condition. All these show the actions of individuals. If Franklin acted as the group he was apart of he wouldn't had made the newspaper snake, if jefferson acted as the group he was apart of he would never had written the declaration as is, if washington acted as the group he was apart of he would had been kind, if forten acted as the group he was apart of he would have fought against the creation of the usa 100%. But, all of them are individuals. That is the usa system. Faux Community. And you see this consistently all the time in the usa. Individuals using groups , screwing over groups, lying about their intent being best for groups. 

I only have one issue with the usa or its people and it is in the very declaration of independence, it is lies. I don't like liars , I never have, and I never try to lie. but the usa's individualism loves to lie, breeds liars all over, and that does get to me, admittedly. 

Outside of that, i am merely speaking the truth to the usa. 

 

 

57 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Not sure of why you would hope that everyone in my family suffers misfortune. 

 

However, I can assure you that being keenly aware of the ups & downs of life & ultimately human mortality, I've never been adversely affected emotionally by it including my own family members, friends & associates.  Such is a part of life.

To answer why I said the following prior, I despise quoting myself, but ...  

22 hours ago, richardmurray said:

And for anyone who feels doctors have earned the right of mistake, well I want you to lose someone you love right now and then tell me how you feel. 

in the following comment

https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12584-do-you-believe-in-first-come-first-serve-in-hiring/#findComment-80731

 

57 minutes ago, ProfD said:

I'm not surprised.  it comes through in your posts.

yes, even as a kid, and while I can tell personal events in my life or sad history before my life, if I am blunt, I just don't care for the USA. In my mind I think, it makes sense that some black descneded of enslaved will not like the usa in their blood. Absent proof, even spiritual proof, it makes sense a little bit. 

[ProfD]

14 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

I only have one issue with the usa or its people and it is in the very declaration of independence, it is lies. I don't like liars , I never have, and I never try to lie. but the usa's individualism loves to lie, breeds liars all over, and that does get to me, admittedly. 

Outside of that, i am merely speaking the truth to the usa. 

Understood. 

 

At some point in your lifetime, I hope that you are able to relocate to Haiti or some other country that is less dysfunctional than the USA.

 

14 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

To answer why I said the following prior, I despise quoting myself, but ...  

in the following comment

https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12584-do-you-believe-in-first-come-first-serve-in-hiring/#findComment-80731

No need to quote yourself.  I understand the context. 

 

Hoping that my family members have the misfortune of medical malpractice or bad law enforcement or cheaters is not going to change me and/or cause any type of pain or suffering on my behalf.  Again, such is life.  I always have and will roll with the punches.