Some of our people need to learn to think OPENLY and INDEPENDENTLY.

They may claim not to be religious but they obviously adhere to the Judeo-Christian moral paradigm when they condemn certain behaviors as "greedy" and "lustful".

What many people call "greed" and "lust" are just culturally biased moral judgements on natural desires.

Sex is a natural desire.
But from the Judeo-Christian moral paradigm....it's often condemned as "lust".

The desire to store resources for oneself and family is a natural desire.
But from the Judeo-Christian moral paradigm...it's often condemned as "greed".

In order to progress and solve our problems as a community, some of us need to learn to think more OPENLY and INDEPENDENTLY.
Too many of our people's thinking is limited and restricted by the moral constraints placed on our ancestors by our historic oppressors and their slave-making religions.

Minister Farrakhan said he who controls the diameter of your thinking controls the circumference of your activities.

In other words.........

Limited thinking produces limited action.
If you can't think or conceive beyond a certain point, you certainly can't be expected to ACT beyond that point.

45 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Minister Farrakhan said he who controls the diameter of your thinking controls the circumference of your activities.

I've always taken that quote to mean setting one's mind to put in the work necessary to accomplish anything an individual wants to do.

Talking & dreaming doesn't bring an abundance of anything. Gotta put in work to make it happen.

There's a point at which one has enough. Eat enough food & one is full. Being greedy & overeating makes a person sick. Lust can lead to degenerate behavior.

IMO, greed & lust are negative extremes of human desire when a person is willing to bring hurt, harm or danger to others in their pursuit of weslth, material possessions &/or human affection.

Also IMO, a wise & content person knows when they have everything they need to live comfortably in peace, joy & happiness.😎

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Some of our people need to learn to think OPENLY and INDEPENDENTLY.

True...

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

They may claim not to be religious but they obviously adhere to the Judeo-Christian moral paradigm when they condemn certain behaviors as "greedy" and "lustful".

The Prohibition against Greed and Lust is not a Judeo-Christian Invention.

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

What many people call "greed" and "lust" are just culturally biased moral judgements on natural desires.

Maybe....but I think it runs deeper than that.

First let's not confuse Lust with Sex

Sexual Desire/Drive.....Desiring sex and having sex is Natural beneficial and good - be fruitful and multiply.

Secondly not all things Natural are beneficial or good for humans and human societies and human civilization.

Lust is not Natural...

Lust and Greed are Destructive

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Sex is a natural desire.

True

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But from the Judeo-Christian moral paradigm....it's often condemned as "lust".

True

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The desire to store resources for oneself and family is a natural desire.

True

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But from the Judeo-Christian moral paradigm...it's often condemned as "greed".

Not True

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

In order to progress and solve our problems as a community, some of us need to learn to think more OPENLY and INDEPENDENTLY.

True

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Too many of our people's thinking is limited and restricted by the moral constraints placed on our ancestors by our historic oppressors and their slave-making religions.

Morals tend to be Good

Constraints can be Good....it all depends on what those constraints are?

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Minister Farrakhan said he who controls the diameter of your thinking controls the circumference of your activities.

In other words.........

True

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Limited thinking produces limited action.

True

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If you can't think or conceive beyond a certain point, you certainly can't be expected to ACT beyond that point.

I can't think of a point beyond which people can't think??

There maybe a point beyond which people can't act....

I have heard and seen people acting before and without thinking...

15 hours ago, ProfD said:

I've always taken that quote to mean setting one's mind to put in the work necessary to accomplish anything an individual wants to do.

Talking & dreaming doesn't bring an abundance of anything. Gotta put in work to make it happen.

There's a point at which one has enough. Eat enough food & one is full. Being greedy & overeating makes a person sick. Lust can lead to degenerate behavior.

IMO, greed & lust are negative extremes of human desire when a person is willing to bring hurt, harm or danger to others in their pursuit of weslth, material possessions &/or human affection.

Also IMO, a wise & content person knows when they have everything they need to live comfortably in peace, joy & happiness.😎

True

ProfD

I've always taken that quote to mean setting one's mind to put in the work necessary to accomplish anything an individual wants to do.

While I agree with your philosophy, I'm not sure how you derived it from THAT PARTICULAR quote....lol.

Seems like two totally different concepts being expressed.

There's a point at which one has enough. Eat enough food & one is full. Being greedy & overeating makes a person sick.

Facts.

Lust can lead to degenerate behavior.

More facts.

But what IS lust....except sexual desire?

IMO, greed & lust are negative extremes of human desire when a person is willing to bring hurt, harm or danger to others in their pursuit of weslth, material possessions &/or human affection.

Also IMO, a wise & content person knows when they have everything they need to live comfortably in peace, joy & happiness.

True.

And an even WISER person will not just plan for THEIR OWN comfort, peace, joy, and happiness but then begin to collect and store up wealth for the comfort, peace, joy, and happiness of their OFFSPRING future generations on down the line!

Wisdom gets to the point where it's about more than just living for oneself, but one's progeny as well and society in general because that society will directly impact the success of one's progeny.

frankster

Maybe....but I think it runs deeper than that.

First let's not confuse Lust with Sex

I think most people do.

Where is the line drawn?

Sexual Desire/Drive.....Desiring sex and having sex is Natural beneficial and good - be fruitful and multiply.

Secondly not all things Natural are beneficial or good for humans and human societies and human civilization.

Lust is not Natural...

Lust and Greed are Destructive

Again, where does one draw the line between natural sexual desire and what they call "lust"????

Isn't it merely a matter of perspective?

Constraints can be Good....it all depends on what those constraints are?

Constraints can be good if they protect one from harm.

But they can also be bad because they are limiting and stifle progress or innovation.

I can't think of a point beyond which people can't think??

I can.

I see people on an almost daily basis who clearly exhibit symptoms of limited thinking.

There maybe a point beyond which people can't act....

This is one of the symptoms I notice of those with limited thinking.

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

Maybe....but I think it runs deeper than that.

First let's not confuse Lust with Sex

I think most people do.

Where is the line drawn?

The line is simple....When the desire for sex controls your behavior as in a addiction.

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Sexual Desire/Drive.....Desiring sex and having sex is Natural beneficial and good - be fruitful and multiply.

Secondly not all things Natural are beneficial or good for humans and human societies and human civilization.

Lust is not Natural...

Lust and Greed are Destructive

Again, where does one draw the line between natural sexual desire and what they call "lust"????

Isn't it merely a matter of perspective?

If you find yourself lying deceiving hurting abusing others for sex....or neglecting yourself and responsibilities losing your dignity and integrity in order to have it

Lust is an Addiction

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Constraints can be Good....it all depends on what those constraints are?

Constraints can be good if they protect one from harm.

But they can also be bad because they are limiting and stifle progress or innovation.

True

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I can't think of a point beyond which people can't think??

I can.

I see people on an almost daily basis who clearly exhibit symptoms of limited thinking.

Limited thinking is not an insurmountable obstacle....it is self imposed one - not that their ability to think has a natural limitation.

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

There maybe a point beyond which people can't act....

This is one of the symptoms I notice of those with limited thinking.

True