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Really.......... Was this during your "salad making days"???

Coco Gauff jokes about her new look: 'There's another redhead who's killing it here' Coco Gauff Leaves Nothing to Chance: Even Her Hair Color Nods to Success Since the start of the season, Coco Gauff has changed her look by opting for a new hairstyle and a reddish tint. A detail that sparked a rather surprising question in a press conference, when a journalist asked her what it felt like to "join the group" of redheaded players, alluding to Jannik Sinner. "There's another redhead who's doing very well here" The world No. 3, always ready to respond with a touch of humor and sincerity, hopes this new tint will bring her success: "I thought it might help, considering there's another redhead who's doing very well. Maybe it'll bring me luck, because he has a very good record here, unlike me. We'll see." Coco Gauff jokes about her new look: 'There's another redhead who's killing it here' Now our sista is putting red dye in her hair and trying to impress "somebody" and claiming she hope it brings her more luck. Man, man, man................. She didn't think she was beautiful enough as she was?

Even if you're just playing games, there are certain rules to them...lol.

@ProfD I am not proselytizing. But I do comprehend in greater ways how powerful the media narrative developed by white media and the black church is when it comes to MLK jr. It has grown since his murder and been used to give him a holier than status.

Again, this thread is about Dr. MLK Jr., thus the focus on him. You're entitled to your opinion. That's not going to change how many FBA/AfroAmericans respect, appreciate and admire Dr. MLK Jr.

@Pioneer1 globally recognized? not everyone views Mensa like that? humanity is quite large you know. disability does not make one dumb and to education... i argue education is rarely designed functionally, anywhere in humanity. so you believe in smarter and neutral, not smarter or dumber... ok simple things but powerful things two big oceans border the country, neighbors who have always been impotent or at least not able to strike hard, and only two by land. a financial history, including the white european colonial, where inequal or uneven financial system allowed for the production of weapons at larger quantities than most, not quality , but quantity. For me, nazi germany or soviet russia built better weapons by a mile than the usa, but no one produces more than our friendly neighborhood white slaver. a media machine, originally designed to unite whites who had competing heritages historically, that many outcast of groups/communities/collectivies celebrate as a way to be their individual self in spite of a said group. this yielded and yields traitors throughout all humanity including white populaces, and sometimes only for information, not murder or similar. but useful. No weapon the usa has is exclusive to the usa, but usa has more of them. But none of the usa military rivals had enslavement like the usa. russia was an empire and cossacks and checyens were abused but they weren't enslaved like blacks to whites in the usa. The soviet union has a pro european bias in its populace, a heritage from the czars, but russia has been battling all of its life it has never been far from a rival. China has never been far from a rival, and its neighbors have at times been far more powerful. so the usa has fortune on its side, most empires do. IT isn't smarts or intelligence. hmmm, the heritage of the usa is private care, ala fiscal capitalism, if you can pay for a doctor you have one. public hospitals heritage in the usa is from pro bono work, not for profit. but I still don't see why bankruptcy denies the good or service being present. bankruptcy forces the ownership or provider of good or service to change, which is appropriate since the prior owner went bankrupt. ...What your saying is some goods or services can't risk even 24 hours of not existing. no, nyc has been underserved by hospitals for its entire history all ideas work, from monarchy to anarchy, it is only a matter of implementation. And yes, those in the future have the right as imaginative beings to see a way of implementing not seen before. universal income will not delete currency, if I said I feel it will , I apologize, that wasn't my intent.

@Pioneer1 nice try, you changed the course organizations and contest liek this do, the people you referred to are media people, none of them run pageants or anything similar race is any factor, phenotypical is just one even enough but fredi washington didn't, and more importantly, to the idea of beauty , we black dosers have to embrace our reality. We are a people who were once completely enslaved, that comes with a history of sexual abuse that leads to mixed babies, and the heritage of DOSers in the usa is for the mixed to be part of the black group. That is the heritage. rightly or wrongly. Now to the future, it seems the latin american pardo/casta heritage is settling in the usa, and will finally be the factor to undo what the one drop rule set in. but until then, the yella woman is black. what determines a black american isn't universallly defined by blacks. the issue pioneer is you keep missing the lack of consensus, means every black in the usa doesn't see anything in one way. natives? you mean choctaw or seminole? since chinese food in the usa is not actually chinese cusiine from asia, and has more in common with tacos why not? yeah but that happens in the usa, because this country is the king f lawsuits which kill events. and that is because the usa protects individualism and individualism by default means no one's definition is ever correct. a trasngender woman can sue to be in a contest for humans born with a vagina. You say short sighted, but I argue, an inevitable reality of the usa. you see this in the white populace, it is a pan statian reality I disagree 100% , again miss black america or miss black usa prove you wrong. In media things that black people/dosers actually own or control in the usa I find the advertised image of black women is usually not upheld through the lens of the yella women but through the cocoa women. but both are still black. And as for all the black or non blacks in white owned media who emphasize the yella women over the cocoa women in the black populace, well, that is white owned media. even enough, though I rather posit I am being too demanding to the tone or function of discourse. @aka Contrarian miss america is run by whites... miss black america + miss black usa are run by blacks and i don't think any of their winners or contestants are offensive. I know I am not alone in said thinking. unfortunately the media of the usa has become such a marketplace + battleground+ tool that it has grown in influence. And some little girls are orphans, some little girls are abused by their blood kin, some little girls don't find enough of themselves in those at home. the reason a little girl can find inspiration worth emulating are many. Ideally a little girl should be raised by her parents or the greater village to be herself, and figure out her role, not model off of anyone. Interesting, I never wanted to impress anybody as a child.I only had one poster of a human figure on my wall.

@ProfD your correct, but he wasn't the leader, but a leader, and the spokesman role was given to him by others. exactly, but you presented a level of idolization to MLK jr that warrants anyone to state a less idolized opinion, which I did. I quote you, I I also mentioned other leaders, it is interesting that you focus on the mentioning of mlk jr when i mentioned leaders before or after him with the same failures, and said leaders before mlk jr were needed for the black collegiate movement/naacp /garveyites and et cetera which was mandatory in the early anti jim crow era for the later laws to come into being. again, that is media, not truth. The movement by Black people made the impact, white owned media + the black church created the myth of mlkjr as THE leader when he wasn't, he was a leader, among many, but he was the only leader that fit everything white media or the black church needed. And as in all the schools named after george washington who was a leader not THE leader of the colonies freeing from the english empire. so mlk jr is beyond questioning ? i question all peoples. I don't have an idolization of anyone in that way, though i wonder how many black people similarly idolize bond. And, I never minimize the impact of the movement of Black people. It is interesting you focus so much on mlkjr. hiding behind the theme of this post your own idoltry. which I oppose. @Pioneer1 no human being is, because we are human being. But the problem is that, some people unfortunately, think negative judgement lessens the value of another, or questioning another lessers said anothers role. It is very jesus /pope/schrumpft like, that thinking. well, remember, black people when the usa was started still were able to get along, not all black people were enslaved. I am not suggesting, that anyone black should assume a peaceful life aside whites in the usa, but I Can see a black person coming to the conclusion that a peaceful coexistence can be a goal. Nothing is easy, but I can comprehend it. Would I have chosen it? no, but neither did nat turner, or assata shakur... so, I don't mind some black leaders having that path. right but this is why the congress is the only branch of government that can make law. the congress is born from the states. it isn't executive. even though schrumpft is part of a change started since abraham lincoln hmmm I get your demographic position. but since the black populace was minoirty to the white, even before the 1900s immigrant waves, wasn't the heritage or culture of DOSers always in need of attention. Maybe not danger, but I don't think the black church built up what needed to be carried/heritage, or tended what needed to be grown/culture. It is interesting that sinners comes out one year before the usa's 250 year anniversary, one of the messages in the movie is the black churches hindrance. The blues players father, is a hater. a knocker. he doesn't want to help, he wants to knock. We all know how many black churches criminalized black people who didn't sing gods music, before 1940, as well as after. Your right, their wasn't competition among minoirty quantities in the populace BUT why did the black church not try to bridge booker t and wed dubois/garvey and dubois/ garvey and booker t? why did the black church treat blues and jazz musicians so negatively? why did the black church treat hustlers so negatively? the my way highway vibe of black churches before the immigrant waves came, i argue was very detrimental to the larger populace later. yes, cheap hindsight but it is clear. And i argue with their role, no excuse existed, no excuse. your wrong about china. China has an engaged bureaucracy. People vote, I argue china has more involvement of its people in its government than the usa does or a western european country does, not just in raws numbers but in percentage. Remember the current chinese government is a creature of the 19000s, and one born from being enslaved to the usa/japan/western union. Thsoe three groups taught china to dislike the media dysfunction of government. countries that have big songs and big flags that hide the ugliest realities. the usa calls itself the land of freedom, while in truth has only destroyed many peoples. the usa is a white european country trying to sell itself as it isn't. China is proud to be a chinese country, who at least is more honest to the immigrant than the usa by a mile. I know your a statian, Pioneer, you have a pride about the usa from the black history that supported it. And china as a white asian country, is an enemy of the usa, although why wouldn't china be when the usa at one time owned a piece of china. North korea is a monarchy. It isn't like china. And, because I don't find any government system sinful I will say, North Korea's has two problem. 1st is the usa, who has put north korea, like iran , like cuba, under a severe strain on all fronts. The historically funny thing is iran + cuba+ north korea have one thing in common, they each insulted the usa, neither actually ever committed a crime to the usa while the usa committed crimes to them. the usa invaded cuba using cuban traitors and failed, the usa's murdering europhile puppet in iran failed, and the usa invaded korea when north korea had the whole peninsula but north korea survived. After 9/11 the usa talked about being invaded and axis of evil, and lied about afghanistan or iraq, but, based on the reaction the usa had to 9/11, cuba+iran+north korea have the right to bomb the usa. 2nd, the kim jong clan have to embrace a simple truth, the usa took their fate, absent usa involvement all of korea is led by the kim jong clan, but the usa as a country of power meddled. tehe kim jong clan have to find a way to end the demilitarize zone. I know no koreans made the zone but that is the challenge. we all know the truth, the panthers/naacp/baptist preachers/drug dealers, the fbi and cia had agents everywhere. in all organizations including white ones. I have always asked that the old files be made public. I think all of humanity could use every single agent of the 1900s whether dead or alive exposed. cause I think that would explain a lot but.... @aka Contrarian I said my forebears saw black people laughing at Malcolm, not that my forebears laughed. But yes, many people in harlem laughed at malcolm in the street. And your surprise shows the strength of media. media has created a myth of malcolm + mlk jr that is false. Two great leaders, more alike than different. each wanting integration or peace. Both eloquent speakers. their only true difference as leaders was mlk jr , from the christian baptist heritage, speaks through hope, while malcolm learned from his father, not elijah muhammed but his father, to speak through truth. white people in the usa historically hate any black person who speaks through truth far more than any other black person. the native american is irrelevant, the white american is a true sinner, black dosers are cowards, immigrant americans are foolish traitors. IT doesn't mean each has to be that way forever, or is that way in every single individual, but it is the majority truth. how do you define militancy? cause I have never seen malcolm as militant? I think he was a garveyite like his father, I think he did believe in self defense which his father+ mother needed, but so did mlk jr? is exhibiting self defense a sign of militancy? or is not saying things to make others comfortable , militancy? when I think black militancy, I think of nat turner/jean jacques dessalines/the black loyalists/the quilombos in south america/ann zhinga against the portuguese. I don't think of malcolm or the panthers.

There's usually a lawyer who puts the batteries in the plaintiff's back. They wanna get paid from someone else's pain & suffering. Right. Money cannot buy true happiness or perfect health. It just makes people more comfortable and less miserable in their station. Money will not. Time will. As that young person lives life, the loss of their closest loved one will become manageable. Foe example, none of Michael Jackson's adopted, er, offspring appears to be broken up or mal-adjusted Maybe so. I believe technology and video games has desensitized younger folks. Nope. After 40 or 50 years, dear mama is a distant memory. That's the most unfortunate situation when offspring can't get right. I think some parents are relieved to check out and leave those n8gglets behind...FOR GOOD.

Policies & laws do not apply to dominant society in the same way they're applied to non-white folks. When white folks ignore policies & break laws their punishment is usually different.

That's what the said after selling wolf tickets. Nah. Since 1979, that dude and his followers have been standing 10 toes down in their hatred of the US & Israel.

I think I'm the only one in this discussion who was alive or at least an adult during the King/Civil rights era during the 1950-60s. And, as I've mentioned many times before, how these times impacted on black people differed from place-to-place. A lot of what I absorbed about these times was from what I saw on TV because in the little western suburb of Chicago where I lived, no overt racial turmoil existed nor were any Jim Crow laws on the books in Illinois. Blacks and whites just went their separate ways, self segregating themselves, observing unwritten laws that perpetuated the status quo of subtle racism. This was a fairly typical atmosphere in that region. I always attended integrated schools, always had a few white friends and neighbors, never had a black teacher, and my Freshman year at the University of Illinois was when this schools' dormitories were first integrated. I've spoken often about how in my Sophomore year there when I moved into one of these dormitories, while black college students in the South were "sittin in" and being arrested at segregated lunch centers, I and my black dormmates were having our rooms cleaned by white maids, and served meals in the dining rooms by white waitresses and waiters who spoke with the accents native to the down state region of Illinois. I've mentioned how I always worked side-by-side with Whites in the Civil Service Federal work force where you were eligible for employment by simply passing a test open to everyone. This is what qualified me to work for both the Veterans Administration and the Social Security Administration before ending up at the U.S. Post Office after passing the postal exam. All during those times. I never got the impression that MLK embodied a tightly-organized, long standing strategy. This was more the domain of A. Phillip Randolph, the head of the Pullman Porters Union, and the leader who actually organized the1963 March on Washington for jobs and opportunities. King was moreorless romanticized as a young minister who was on the fringes of the NAACP bus boycott that Rosa Parks initiated. He was cast as an unknown who was propelled forward to a leadership role because he was so eloquent and intelligent and, subsequently, like Jesus, he surrounded himself with a band of Disciples that included dynamic young turks like Ralph Albernathy, Andrew Young, Julien Bond, John Lewis, and Jesse Jackson, who with the non-violent model of Mahatma Gandhi as their model, marched forth to pursue the integration dream of justice and equality for all! Meanwhile, King's militant counterpart, Malcom X was telling it like it was, ironically doing what Trump did; which was publicly saying all the things about white folks that black folks had always been thinking. I was surprised by Richard's statement that his people laughed at Malcom. Everybody I knew agreed with and admired him. Which just goes to show how history can be in the eye of the beholder and how varied the black experience can be. As for King's personal life, much of what was made public was taken from the FBI files of J. Edgar Hoover who kept MLK under close surveillance. Also, after King's death, in his memoir, Ralph Abernathy inspired a lot of resentment for revealing some things about King's intimate liaisons. "Keepers of the Flame" never forgave Ralph for this. Whatever. King has earned and secured a place of honor and affection in the hearts of his people. RIP MLK.

Seems to me, the closest thing to a typical black Miss America candidate who would not offend anyone would be a poised female of smooth medium brown complexion with a full well- coiffed head of dark hair whose facial features are arranged in compliance with the universal golden triangle symmetry, and whose body is well-proportioned. Actually, however, I think role models are overrated. Why do little girls have to look to public figures to emulate. And do we know if this is as widespread a sentiment as celebrities clutching awards would have us believe? Ideally, a girl's mother or other female relative should be her role model. And I'm further inclined to think that her peer group is who most young girls want to impress because that was the case with me and my friends. I never fixated on celebrities as somebody I passionately wanted to look like. My friends and I just wanted to be the best versions of ourselves. So says the cynical contrarian

richardmurray It is simple, smart or dumb can't be applied to groups of people. You accept the idea that a group can be labeled smart or dumb. I do not. What about MENSA, the globally recognized group for people with extremely high IQ's? What about certain special education classes for those with intellectual disabilities? These are GROUPS where people are popularly recognized as smart or dumb (dumb being a derogatory term for low intelligence), respectively. If you want to focus strictly on nations...we can do that....but you said "groups". Individually , humans can be ignorant, lacking knowledge, lacking erudition, the ability to derive knowledge, lacking wisdom, intrinsic perceptions of life that can only be gained through experience or an individuals natural ability. Groups simply succeed or fail in objectives. When I speak of "dumb"....I'm not necessarily speaking of ignorance. Although most dumb people tend to BE ignorant. When I say dumb....I'm speaking of those with low intelligence. Intelligence below average. But to be clear....YOU introduced the term "dumb" into the conversation when discussing nations. I don't believe there are any dumb nations. I believe some nations are SMARTER than others....collectively...but none of them are dumb because they are the average of the entire population. And the average population isn't dumb in any nation. The usa military is what gives the usa the edge and the usa military is ahead of all other militaries when it comes to weapons and weapons systems or security systems. Why is this? Why is the U.S.A. military so powerful and effective? The question is this, why are you sure/certain that if the firms I said go bankrupt when warranted and have all their assets placed into market or made open source as need be would lead to the inability of the services from their assets or technology to maintain an interaction with the populace of the usa absent a large delay? Are you suggesting the federal government and state governments would take too long for bankruptcy? or botch bankruptcies in some way? I'm not sure HOW to answer these questions....lol. They seem a little too complex. Are you suggesting private hospitals shouldn't exist? No. They should. However public hospitals in my opinion should predominate. I find it interesting that many black people like yourself talk about black people being financially efficient in their activity as owners or consumers while talking about white people, who own all the companies i mentioned, failing to be financial efficient as owners or consumers and yet having no penalty. So you suggesting a financial double standard of bad financial actors based on phenotype? you have to say yes. Sometimes the GOOD or SERVICE being offered is so necessary that who the company is ran or the fiscal responsibility of it's owners is of much less importance and making sure the company stays afloat is. In the last five years, in NYC, I can recall at least five hospital completely closed. No government takeover, completely closed. The city didn't fall under. PEople complained but it was completely warranted. Probably because there were so many more hospitals to cover their loss. You are a fiscal capitalist, Actually, I prefer a mixed economy of balanced Capitalism and Socialism. yes complete classlessness is impossible among humans who give themselves names. BUT, the governments that call themselves socialists have never actually tried. Do you comprehend the point. the point isn't about reaching socialism, it is about the claim of socialist countries failure. The countries you mentioned aren't socialist. they are fiscal capitalist. Again, communism is no way near socialism. communalism is really fiscal capitalsim with the faintest touch of socialism. So how do you know Socialism works for a nation if you can't point to a nation that is successfully practicing it? I think a solution exists that I have never seen tried, so it can't be proven. But, I don't think so. You're this theory a "solution" but we haven't determined that having currency is actually a PROBLEM! I personally feel that it IS a solution in and of itself in many cases to a rather limited bartering and trading system in a society as complex as ours.

I have accumulated a bunch of them over many decades.

Chev It looked genuine to me. Remember, most White folks turn red when they get into heated arguments. Neither one of those two did....lol. That alone makes me suspicious about how sincere they were even if neither one knew eachother. Also, why wasn't that ICE agent wearing a mask like the others? But then, we can't ignore the truth either. Many non-Black people have sacrificed their lives for a 'Black cause' and of whom were not the perpetrators. Yes. And for that, we should be grateful. I appreciate the ~JOHN BROWNS~ of America. I did recognize that fellow was Somali. The mayor in Minneapolis said that although President Trump is going after the Somalis, however, he said mostly 90% of them are all here legally. Trump also said that Somalis were "trash" and made it clear he didn't want them in the country. He didn't distinguish the legal ones from the illegal ones...lol. That tells me that their legal status really doesn't make a difference. I listened to a little of the video that you posted yesterday and plan to listen to all of it later, but when I heard one man say that AFrican Americans have a heritage here in America because we've been here for 400 years, I tell you that caused me to be emotional. Most AFrican Americans are probably 50% American Indian, if not more, therefore, we've been here a lot longer than 400 years--try thousands of years. The problem is people are making this an EITHER/OR argument instead of realizing that both camps are right in proper context. -There WERE Black people here for thousands of years before the Europeans came -Many AfroAmericans today have Native American ancestry (but Native Americans are a different race) -Most of our ancestors came to the Americas 500 years ago from Africa to be slaves All three of these are facts. ProfD Millions of dollars has a different type of healing power. People grieve differently but time seems to heal all wounds, When I was younger....meaning a kid...I often wondered were people who asked for millions of dollars in law suits really trying to finesse and get a bag? But as I've gotten older, I've realized that there are some things that money can't buy. Like Mo Greene said in The Godfather that he'd give a million dollars just to take a piss without it hurting. That's an unforgettable line. Would any amount of money be able to fill the emptiness of an adolescent who's loving and caring mother or father were suddenly taken away in such a violent and public way? Seeing on social media that their own mother was killed, had to be surreal. Ofcourse they'd rather have the money than not have it. It helps. But I wonder if we were to find them at around 40 or 50 years of age after some life experience and maturity... Would they rather have $20 million, or have their mother back and healthy? ....then again you have some children as crazy as Gator from Jungle Fever, who'd kill their own parents over a damn piggy bank.

frankster Yes.... Doctrine is about what to believe or how to think......in a given situation Policy is about what actions are permissible to take....in a given situation True. But while this is Policy vs Doctrine...I'm talking Policy vs LAW! Laws are even stronger that policies! Policies are basically rules of operation that can be broken at whim based on judgement and scenario. Laws aren't meant to be broken unless absolutely necessary and often come with a LEGAL penalty for doing so. This is why policies usually are made by businesses where laws are made by governments. Congressional Authority to declare war is a CONSTITUTIONAL LAW. What it usually mean is there is not enough evidence to prosecute....hence it does not rise to the level of beyond a reasonable doubt as to its criminality or unconstitutionality. That... And sometimes it's about CONSPIRACY. Secret agreements on BOTH sides of the aisle are made to allow a President to carry out a particularly illegal act with the promise that he won't be called into account for it by either party. One of the reasons you have PROSECUTORS in the U.S. criminal justice system is so they can PICK AND CHOOSE who to go after for breaking the law. Politics is a dirty unfair game.... Some are allowed to flaunt the rules.....while others are penalize for it. While this is known and understood by many, too many don't realize this and remain confused and...to quote you "befuddled"...lol....at why certain politicians are constantly allowed to get away with their crimes with seeming impunity. God is Law.... I'm not going there with you, lol. Free Will is also a BirthRight Give to Man To a certain degree, yes. To die usually you must first have Lived. Can the Will of Man be Imprisoned? If HE is imprisoned, then ASPECTS of his will is imprisoned because what he can will physically is extremely limited. Also, I'm not sure how extensive the Zombification process is on the psyche of it's victims. Yes...that is true. Isn't there a division of responsible and limits on how much the Federal Government can interfere in the internal affairs of a State on certain issues? Yes, ofcourse. But when it comes to Federal Laws that are already established....there is no compromise. It's like Pops telling you to be in the house by 10pm at night. You can go where you WANT to go....before 10pm...lol. You can go to the dance. You can go to the party. You can go to the mall. You can stay home. You can play some basket ball down in the Rec Center. Might even take a trip to the TRAP HOUSE if he don't now about it....lol. Go where you wanna go. But regardless....yo' ass better be in by 10pm at night!

richardmurray From the photos i have seen every winner of the Miss Black America pageant has been a black woman of medium to dark brown skin. Now I haven't seen photos of every winner. I haven't seen photos of every contestant. But the direction you have taken this post about uplifting a black owned beauty pageant has many questions, you didn't provide answers for when you shifted directions. Because there were no questions that begged to BE answered, lol. I just dropped a casual observation. Again, as I said....it wasn't meant TO take this thread into another direction. Your response actually did that....lol. 1. How do you define actual Black ? My PERSONAL definition of "Black" is people of sub-Saharan African descent who are either unmixed or if they are mixed-race SHOW very little of that admixture in their phenotype. Moreover why should the operators of Miss Black America adhere to such a definition? They don't HAVE to obviously, however in my opinion organizations and contests like this should be used to UPLIFT Black women and improve their self esteem and especially the self esteem of Black girls growing up in this society. How can this be done if an organization/contest routinely uplifts and promotes females who don't look like them as role models they should aspire to? For example, if a woman with with two parents from india born in NYC with skin asians will call very dark, which is equivalent to what people in the USA call black, which is common among many Indian people, wants to run for Miss Black America, does she fit what you mean by Black? No. Race is phenotypical...but is more than JUST skin color. From a phenotypical perspective, said example woman is Black. I personally don't consider East Indians Black in modern racial terms. Infact, most of them don't even consider themselves Black either...no matter how dark they are. Now Dravidians (dark skinned Indians) USED TO be considered what we'd today call "Black", in the ancient world. They were called East Ethiopians. Africans were called West Ethiopians. The only phenotypical difference recognized between the two being the hair texture. But today, they are not considered Black. 2. How do you define not-black or mixed? Those are 2 different terms that require 2 different PERSONAL definitions: 1. Not-Black is anybody who descends from races that are not sub-Saharan African as well as those who are mixed race with some sub-Saharan African ancestry but very few characteristics of this ancestry show in their phenotype. 2. Mixed is anybody from a multi-racial background who shows phenotypical characteristics of those races in fairly "even" proportion. For example, this is Fredi Washington. Who played the Peola character in the earliest film version of "immitation of life". She called herself black. She rejected hollywoods desire to have her lie about her background and claim she is white. And lived most of her life as a maid/nurse in Harlem. She definitely looked mixed. I call people like her yella. She is definitely more yella than Beyonce or Hally Berry or Dorothy Dandridge. And arguably even more yella than Hailee Steinfeld which says a lot. But she is black to me. From your definition she is mixed, so she couldn't apply for Miss Black America, correct? Correct. Infact, going by her phenotypical characteristics....I wouldn't even call her "mixed". I'd call her Caucasian/White...lol. 3. Are you suggesting each candidate must be a citizen of the USA? ???? Well, if it's for Miss Black America or Miss Black U.S.A...one would presume that would be a given....lol. How can someone who is NOT an American even enter let alone "win" a contest designed FOR Americans????? I didn't read the rules of entry so I don't know how citizenship fits in Miss Black America. But a Black woman from Africa is Black so if she lives in the USA, why can't she run? Because if she's not a citizen, she's not America....lol. So how can a person not FROM here properly represent the beauty of those native here? This is almost common sense. If we're having a contest for the best tasting Chinese food.....would you bring tasty TACOS to the contest? They may taste good. They may be food. But they aren't CHINESE food. Being CHINESE is an essential qualification for a contest ABOUT Chinese food...lol. You didn't mention Hailee Steinfield. But, the issues you mention here are not about the participants but the organizers of events. The organizers of events aren't being self haters, the organizers of events are doing what you did in your reply, not be concise or specific in definitions. Expecting everyone else to somehow know what they are thinking or how they define. That isn't functional. If you wanted to block out certain black women... or any women, all you have to do is make the rules clear. But if the rules don't block out certain women from running then why shouldn't they run. Excellent point. But this....in my opinion...expresses how short sighted the organizers of the event would be to fail to establish these qualifications. It's like having an athletic event for women without first defining WHO a woman actually is. For some people....most people....who a woman is is a given. It's common sense. But for others....especially those with nefarious motives....they'll try to twist the definition of it or take advantage of their NOT being a definition to push their own subversive agendas. It's the same with these beauty contests. If we don't clearly define WHO is Black, then soon you'll have White contestants being presented as "Black" and winning them to promote the idea that White skin, light hair, and light eyes are the most beautiful traits to be found among "Black" people. I call it the "Beyonce Effect" Where people who aren't Black are promoted as the "ideal Black". When you organize an event it is up to you to be clear, concise on definitions, not the people entering. I agree 100% Pioneer1 chose to segway from talking about miss black america, for which he had nothing to add, into talking about we are too concerned with arguments online. Perhaps you are confusing healthy DISCOURSE with DISCORD.

They should have started 30 or 40 years ago by vehently going after everybody....including other Black people...who were openly promoting what once were whispered rumors of his womanizing and cheating on Coretta. Now to be honest, I don't know whether they are true or not. Most people seem to believe they are. Funny how they didn't come up while he was alive. However regardless.....most of the information on them comes directly from racist organizations that were clearly against him and everything he stood for so why should THEY even be believed? As soon as people started talking about his extra-marital affairs in public....there should have been a "drop squad" that pulled up on them, took them to the side and asked them what would it profit our community by exposing the indiscretions of such a great and influential leader or repeating these accusations that come from the enemies of our people about him? " We heard you been talking shit about Martin Luther The King. He's not around to defend himself. You know it's not good to speak ill of the dead, nigga! How would you like it if people started roasting YOU at your funeral, next week?"

ProfD But the Orangeman said that killing has stopped. Shows over. Call off the dogs. ....yeah right, lol. It's to the point now that you can't trust what anybody says when it comes to Middle East politics. For all we know that head of Iran might BE America and Israel's guy....but just pretending that he's not.

....where DO you come up with these analogies???

richardmurray first thank you for stating where you think he went wrong. of the three comments your the only one which means 33% I ponder how many black people are unwilling to question the likes of mlk jr in 2026 ? I have no way of getting a statistic but by this simple post the potential is frightening. I know I haven't spoken on your judgment but it's funny in this community we can bicker with each other so easily and then some of us in here can't speak a judgement against dead leaders. It is a revealing balance. Lol.... Now you said you loved MLK jr so your critiques are not condemnations. Just assessments all should have in the future to any past. Exactly. And thank you for understanding this. I know very few human beings who are so far "above" even a philosophical critique. So MLK jr didn't have a reference growing up of empowered separation. The only reference he had was integration in various forms. From atlanta, to morehouse, to the greater georgia integration was the system about him. Could he had focused on empowered separation ? 100% yes. Would it been a bad choice? no idea, but it could had succeeded. Was an example around to compel him? no. He needed a successful example. MLK jr like most leaders is thoughtful. The reason something isn't present isn't because it can't work but because it will take more time or more effort to do. True, but he was a very smart man with powerful observation skills. Growing up in the South among very angry, hostile, and violent White people....it seems he should have known how possible or impossible it would be for Black people to get along with these people. The usa government has a very big problem in terms of federal application, in equal access and opportunity. The power of states rights. It is the year 2026 and Schrumpt is the first president after circa two hundred and fifty years to try and actually impose the federal government on the states with the resources to actually do something. Not merely cause of federal power but states in the usa are lower than they are ever been, all are welfare recipients. the original idea was states would never need the federal government. Andrew jackson, Abraham Lincoln, even FDR for all of their fervor, didn't have the means to actually make a federal imposition on the states like Schrumpft today. What does this mean? states got away with a lot of federal crimes within themselves, because the constitution clearly gives states freedom to be themselves and forces citizens to take a state to court for changes. I'm not sure if the Constitution gives states the freedom to "be themselves". Federal law still always "trumps" (no pun intended) states' laws. Federal law supersedes state law like state law supersedes local law. So what your suggesting was doable by him, but he would had to stop being a preacher to do that. Because nonviolence in the usa means taking whomever your suing to the supreme court,a very lengthy process , one that is not guaranteed to get to the surpreme court, and one most importantly, that doesn't necessarily stop the person/entity being sued from continuing their actions. While the said black man in mississippi is suing, white people are harassing or worse constantly. Your top down is doable, but It isn't impossible. The NAACP was full of lawyers for that reason; their strategy was take every federal crime at the state levels to the supreme court. But so many crimes at the state level occurred. The volume was i argue insurmountable. I understand what you're saying, and you're right; but sometimes it's like playing the one-armed-bandit enough time to hit the jackpot. If you take enough cases to court, one of them will "hit" and get the attention of the SCOTUS or a Federal Judge who will then ENFORCE the Federal laws against the offending state and protect citizens from being disenfranchised. This is what happened with the School Desegregation situation in Arkansas. Enough pressure was put on the Federal government to do their job and FORCE the states to obey the law. MLK jr didn't spend enough time on the heritage/what is carried + culture/what is grown of DOSers. He clearly comprehended the importance, ala his plea to Nichelle Nichols. As an aside , I ponder your thoughts on the larger black church? from circa 1865 to 1965 arguably, the black churches in the usa, all denominations combined, are the center of black life. What hindered the churches from focusing on heritage+ culture? Because there was no threat to AfroAmerican culture to justify them doing so. There were very few immigrants in the United States at that time. No other cultures to compete with ours and garner more attention. The ONLY cultures were basically the 2 sub-cultures of White America and Black America. So there was no need for Black people to "delineate" themselves and distinguish ourselves from other ethnic groups that would compete with us and our issues as there are today. Your second part slightly answers the last segment of the first. I argue that MLK jr and others , many others, wanted the culturee of the black descended of enslaved populace to be as shepards to a better usa for all peoples, this goes back to frederick douglass and the 1800s black church. they knew the heritage was of a people who survived white terror but I think their culture was as a people who made the integrated future nonviolently. and thus by 2026 would become the heritage. Which arguably it has. IF you look at media, most non blacks in the usa view black people as the integrators in the usa. More than anyone else. You're right. While many non-Blacks OUTSIDE of the United States don't even recognize Black Americans AS American....most of the non-Black IN the United States after staying here a while begin to realize WE ARE America...in terms of culture and social interactions. They know we are the innovators and trend setters and are America's true moral compass. just from a labeling perspective, this goes back to my issue with people using the term communism. I said it already, but communism is a form of fiscal capitalism. Communism isn't a form of socialism because of one party of governance under a government plus a government having a larger role as a fiscal operator. Communism is merely fiscal capitalism with one party having overwhelming majority and the government taking 80% or more of the fiscal operation.' Exactly. This is something I've been observing for years, especially with the Communist nations of China and North Korea. They are ruled by Communist Parties but those parties actually operate the same as Capitalists AND Dictators by controlling the workers, not giving them a real say-so, and enjoying the fruits of the labor of the masses. In this respect, the Communism as practiced by China and North Korea is just ultra-Capitalism Instead of the 10% ruling or even the 1% ruling.....only the .005% party members rule and own everything in the nation. It is like I say with Troy race/class/rank/order/classification/species/clan all have the same basic definition. Some arrangement of things based on a factor. When black people or non blacks say, race doesn't exist? how? do humans being not look different? do human beings not have clan names? do human beings not call themselves by a religious label? race is ever present. Does this mean a consensus exist on race? no. Right! So next time me and Troy get into a fight over the existence of multiple races, I expect you to answer the call and pull up to the scene for some back-up....LOL

First of all, without getting into the conspiratorial talk about them.....there was and is too much confusion about both HIV and AIDS. Most people think they are synonymous when they are actually 2 separate conditions that often overlap. AIDS (Acquire Immune Deficiency Syndrome) is a multi-symptom illness which basically means your immune system no longer works effectively so you end up with a bunch of diseases you wouldn't ordinarily get if it were working properly. Any major long term illness can give you AIDS because it wears down on your immune system. Malnutrition can give you AIDS because you need nutrients for your immune system to work effectively. This is one of the reasons you hear about millions of Africans having AIDS but most of them not dying of it. Because they are being deceptive about what TYPE of "AIDS" they have. Much of the AIDS in Africa is caused by malnutrition and actually other long term diseases, not HIV. HIV (Human Immuno-deficiency Virus) is a virus. It's a virus that is meant to destroy the immune system and that's what it does when it's left unchecked. Not everyone with the HIV virus actually reaches the point where it destroys their immune system or causes AIDS in them. Like Covid and other virus disorders, sometimes the virus just goes away on it's own or stays relatively stable in the body. Magic Johnson my be HIV positive (not sure if he's even THAT now) but he doesn't have AIDS. Understanding nature of these two entities is key to our people properly treating them and protecting themselves from them.

I remember when AIDS burst on the scene about 45 years ago. Everybody was shook and paused like a turntable until they made it seem like AIDS was a disease mainly targeting homosexuals and drug addicts sharing needles. Upon hearing that AIDS were mainly those two groups of people, the turntable resumed spinning and people started dancing, er, f8cking again. Millions of people have been born, lived and died since 1981. Billions of s8xual acts have occurred and continue over 45 years and counting. Whatever AIDS outbreak is going around on down in South Carolina will not become a pandemic. Nowadays, there are medications that prevent HIV infection and keep it from becoming full blown AIDS. Whoever is walking around with AIDS in 2026 must have just awakened from a cryogenic state or been extremely lazy in using protection.