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Pioneer knowing what something is used for may not tell you it's purpose. I mean what is the purpose of a truck. That depends on who you ask. Like electricity or people, I can tell how they are utilized but their purpose I haven't a clue. What is the purpose of Astrology? I hope you're wrong because I use it at least 100 times a year. High Magic is about improving the person, low is about improving the situation.

If you're a scientist the rational position is agnostic. Since you don't know

Troy I am not certain but I am not really following your line of reason. You said that science and philosophy are mutually exlusive. I mentioned logic is a part of both. Despite my mentioning this more than once you have not responded. I don't know why you're saying I'm technically correct about tails. Oddly I thought about it but I don't think I posted about. I'll go back and check because it means one of us is hallucinating. If you have forgotten more than you knew why would you use statistics to make a point. It is interesting people will use science to support the point without understanding the science. The following is a quote from you. To date I've never been made aware of any experiments to prove anything that Astrology asserts (experiments whose results have been reviewed and reproduced by others). I have to say I think that is uncharacteristically intellectual lazy position. I had mentioned I had two books on Astrological Reseach. You could have google it or Wikipedia. Or you could have asked. I actually checked before I suggested you do so. Fir the following reasons I like knowing stuff, I am pedantic, I like to be right, and I enjoy the exchange of ideas and I have too much time on my hands

Troy Wiki Nasim Taleb. His books are interesting. He's made a multi-million dollar fortune on Wall Street. Because even professionals do not understand risk(statistics)

Troy if I were to be really stringent I would use 120 or 60 people.

Troy if you are flipping a coin 1000 times you would only need two people two determine if there is a significant difference. What you are talking about here is am F test or F Distribution. In fact you could have ad fee as 100 coin tosses. So you would be wrong I could do this experiment with two people flipping a coin 100 times.

Troy You said philosophy and science are mutually exclusive. i mentioned logic, which is both an element in science and philosophy. You have conveniently forgotten to answer that question. O had to look through two of my statistics books and two of Adtrological Research books, both of which use stastical analysis. What you have in your example is a binomial distribution. If you got those results. You would assume it wasn't a fair coin. While that wouldn't tell you anything about the population it would tell you something about that particular coin. I could tell you why your statement isn't valid but the fundamental errors show a lack if understanding about statistics and statistical analysis. Normally we disagree and I'll debate the point, but not in this instance.

Pioneer I find it interesting that people say the esoteric is not scientific. Whereas quite a few of the giants in science and philosophy held esoteric beliefs.

Troy I think astrology shows character strengths and weaknesses. I would say there are different traits goe different types of gambling. Logic is an element of philosophy and mathematics. Can you elaborate on your third point.

Some natal charts aren't conducive for gambling. Or so I have been told. Personally i wouldn't know but i could check for you.

That is a project I shelved.

Despite my quote I do think astrology is a science and a philosophy and it changes how you think.

I have been trying to increase my odds of winning using randomn numbers and Tarot. I was winning twice as much the probability said I should. And instead of losing 75 cents on the dollars I was losing 25 cents. But I was still losing.

I think Astrology is an informational intelligence. Perhaps like Light DNA matter and everything else.

It may have been a good time to play, bit you aren't going to win. Electional Astrology tells you the best tine to undertake a venture. Sometimes the best time is not practical. Like a marriage at 3 am. Which could be Astrology's way of telling you, there isn't a good time at all for you to get married.

This isn't the quote I was talking about but it is interesting Innovations in the philosophy of language during the 20th century renewed interest in whether mathematics is, as is often said, the language of science. Although most mathematicians and physicists[citation needed<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed] (and many philosophers) would accept the statement "mathematics is a language<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics_as_a_language", linguists believe that the implications of such a statement must be considered. For example, the tools of linguistics<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistics are not generally applied to the symbol systems of mathematics, that is, mathematics is studied in a markedly different way than other languages. If mathematics is a language, it is a different type of language than natural languages<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_languages. Indeed, because of the need for clarity and specificity, the language of mathematics is far more constrained than natural languages studied by linguists. However, the methods developed by Frege and Tarski for the study of mathematical language have been extended greatly by Tarski's student Richard Montague<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Montague and other linguists working in formal semantics<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_semantics_linguistics)> to show that the distinction between mathematical language and natural language may not be as great as it seems

According to Wikipedia Astrology is a pseudo science.

Troy - You are right, about the practicioners. I believe divuination can answer any query if properly understood. I also think there ate some answers that can not be given.

Cynique - That about sums it up. I recently came scross a statement. Some people are not susceptible to celestial influences. They write their own story.

If the base is uncertain how van the structure be secure.

Hi Troy - Every so often someone will ask with some astrological help with there gambling. I always decline because there's mi good outcome for me. However if you like I will look for an electional astrologer. They specialize in the appropriate time to undertake a venture.

Troy - I think there is because the symbols are created. How can you verify a meaning, what can you compare it to check it. Its like language translation. You can't verify a definition between two languages since some words ad concepts don't exist in the second language. So basing science in symbols us problematic. There are scientist that will agree with me. I'll post the link later.

I let you. Personally I would am a bit lower than power ball.

Troy that may mean that symbols are not scientific. Which would mean anything using symbols would not be scientific. Since symbols only have meanings we give them. So language, numbers,mathematics and any thing that uses them would not be scientific.

There's a Dvd you have seen it I forget the name. They argue that the bible is actually an astrological text. The Son dies cor three days then rises. This happen to the Sun at the winter solstice in the northern hemisphere. It looks like it stops moving. When it starts moving again. Days are getting longer. This occurs about Dec 21. Some have argues that Jesus is the Sun and the twelve apostles are the zodiac. I don't have an opinion on this though. I have to tell you I would love to win the lottery twice. And say how could astrology possibly work. With a really big smirk. I happen to personally know an astrology who has won more than one small jackpots. So we'll see.