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  1. Yes, I've engaged in MANY of them personally. The protocol is simple...... You and I get together and agree that if I do this for you....you'll do this for me. One of us will initiate. Say I do the thing for you. Now you'll either do for me....or you won't. If you fail to do it, I simply won't do business anymore. If you honor your agreement, we'll continue to do business.....lol. It's really not that complicated. As AfroAmericans we collectively in various groups in various locations make deals with other groups in those locations to support eachother and a circumstance by circumstance basis. If they fail to support us....we won't support them, simple as that. No need to sit up cussing and crying and sitting in the corner with your lips poked out mumbling something about why don't nobody want to support you or help you when you need it. If the people you made an agreement with FAIL to honor their end of the bargain....cut them off and move on to the next group. Soon....word will spread....trust me!
  2. Troy of course, evil should be discouraged and when excessive punished. Why would you punish someone who did something they had no choice over? If their actions were "pre determined"...they couldn't help but to follow the script, right? As corporeal beings, bound by the constraints of the passage of time we exist in the world with the known and fixed past, ...for the MOST part, lol. But the soul can and does travel outside of this Realm. We are, necessarily, content with the illusion of free will— otherwise, what meaning with life have? If you didn't have a measure of "free will" you'd be stuck eating the same foods you were fed as a child and couldn't feed yourself. The fact that you started TRYING different foods as you got older is just a minor testimony to your free will. If there are multiple past and multiple futures, as some speculate, one can argue they’re all predetermined as well. Some are....some are not. Even IF these different futures are pre-determined, YOU aren't necessarily destined to experience a specific one. Imagine it's "movie night" and you have 5 different of your favorite movies to choose from. You already know the outcome of each movie because you've watched them all so much....but what you watch THAT NIGHT is you choice. It's not pre-determined. You may decide to watch one particular movie that day and by the time you make it home changed your mind to watch another. Either way...the movies are set but YOU don't necessarily know which one you'll experience. We are also unable to experience different realities within the Multiverse. You do so everytime you dream.
  3. Troy Think that through for second… I have. I suggest you think OUTSIDE of the box and ponder on what I said about multiple Realities. The omniscient being you are referring to can move through time the way you or I walk up and down the street. The concept of the passage of time is nonsensical. Time is just a REFERENCE. It's abstract....used to mark what which is concrete. What is moved through isn't "time" itself, but the different Realities in which the concept of time exists. They could observe something that “happened” 2000 years ago or 2000 years in the “future” it’s all the same. I wouldn't say it's "all the same" but yes, they could move 2000 years back into A past or 2000 years into A future. I bet you have no problem accepting that you can’t change the past, the future is no different. You probably can't change YOUR past, but there are MULTIPLE pasts just like there are MULTIPLE futures. In another "past", Word War 3 has already occurred and this world has experienced nuclear destruction. You still didn't answer my questions about why "evil" should be punished if the deed was already pre-determined to occur; and according to that logic...does "evil" really exist?
  4. Too see some movies not present in the image https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2492&type=status
  5. Hey @Troy, For some reason I was thinking about @richardmurray earlier this week and how he posts threads about movies and music. Not sure how easy it is to program but maybe you should think about having a "Movie Night" forum where say....richardmurray or any poster can post a movie we can watch and have a little chat-room next to it so that members can watch it together and comment on it together in real time. Kind of like live videos on Youtube. For example, Somebody post the movie Three The Hard Way. When you first post it....you post it LIVE at a particular time for most of us regular members can log in and watch it together and comment on the side in the little chat-room. Ofcourse after the live you can watch it anytime and comment on it in the future. I'm not sure if there is any copyright obstacles to this but it's something to think about. Along that line, maybe you can come on and speak from time to time with a little chat-room next to the video where we can comment in real time. Just an idea.
  6. Boo Movies for Halloween

    any suggestions, please comment

     

    Cat People 1942

     

    The Seventh Victim 1943

     

     

     

    The Uninvited 1944

     

    The Picture of Dorian Grey 1945

     

    The Picture of Dorian Gray - 1945 from Daniel on Vimeo.

    Night of the Hunter 1955

     

    Invasion of the Body Snatchers 1956

     

    The House on Haunted Hill 1959

     

    Eyes without a face 1960

     

     

    The Innocents 1961

     

    The Haunting 1963

     

    Hour of the Wolf 1968

     

    Night of the Living Dead 1968

     

     

     

     

  7. Think that through for second… at any rate, what difference does it make? The notion of a choice or free will is an illusion, a function of our being constrained in time. The omniscient being you are referring to can move through time the way you or I walk up and down the street. The concept of the passage of time is nonsensical. They could observe something that “happened” 2000 years ago or 2000 years in the “future” it’s all the same. I bet you have no problem accepting that you can’t change the past, the future is no different.
  8. frankster Well, if your dial is stuck on "Aryans are Black folks from Iran"....I'm not going to try to move it for you, lol. It's HISTORY. Unlike Chemistry or some other Sciences, one of the things about HISTORY is you usually don't know for sure who or what is the ABSOLUTE truth because you weren't around to witness it or verify it, let alone PROVE your argument to others.
  9. Troy When my mother said when she moved into the housing project it was beautiful. There were flowers growing on the lawns, and the whole property was well-maintained back then I believe it was only opened to married people, and someone had to have a job. I believe these rules changed, and as a result, the class of people changed. I heard similar from my older relatives who came up from down South and moved up to Detroit. I didn't hear the part about having to be married, or having to have a job, but they told me single men could get a place in the projects back in the 50s and 60s. At some point, that changed to where only women with children could get a place. They also said that the projects were nice and considered a STEP UP from the rat infested tenements and slums that dominated so much of the city until much of it was torn down. NYCHA also failed to maintain the properties very well. I read recently that the projects were in such a state of this repair that the city could no longer afford to maintain them, and are now looking at options to allow private ownership. That too. What I found interesting when I went to Europe and when I used to go to Canada a lot was that those nations had public housing projects too but unlike in the United States, they MAINTAINED them and kept them repaired and clean for their residents. I went to Europe about 20 years ago. I've heard that today Western Europe has let IT'S public housing collapse too as well as Canada. No doubt the demographic shift from mostly White residents to mostly Black and Arab residents has contributed to them allowing their public housing to deteriorate the same as the U.S. has. They say in Eastern Europe where there is far less immigration from Africa the public housing is still in great shape and well maintained. Another major thing that happened was Section 8. The purpose of Government housing projects was to provide a place for poor people to live because private land owners were charging too much for rent and property. Section 8....where you take government money and put it in the hands of private land owners was the very OPPOSITE of why Public Housing was established in the first place. richardmurray I have no idea who are the decent blacks. Black people who are fair, peaceful, and don't engage in reckless criminal behavior. Black people who respect property, personal space, and other people...with good social manners. Not to say that a decent Black person wouldn't break the law for a GOOD reason, but they generally don't go around being criminals and thugs for the hell of it. .....in other word, the OPPOSITE of niggaz, lol. What is the largest percentage of black people that you think owned land in the south from the end of the war between the states to the 1960s? Not sure, but a pretty large percentage. My family owned a lot of land that they received after the Civil War and most other Black Americans I know have said the same thing so it must have been a pretty good chunk. I'm talking MILLIONS of acres. But a lot of our people sold the land because they didn't want to work it or be farmers. They'd rather move up to bigger cities and go work for other people in jobs they THOUGHT would be easier. I will speak for NYC, the nyc government controlled plus run by whites made sure all the black regions in nycare used for for projects which damage the black populac ein said regions. When the harlem empowerment zone led by bill clinton happened , many black owned businesses in harlem applied, but only one was granted. no black business was given up but per the law you say you respect so much or feel is so badly needed the black busniness were legally pushed out of existence and the black populaces Were there not Black politicians in New York positions to stop or reverse these policies? Did you know the black populace of chicago si deemed 230,000 while the black populace of nyc is two million. that is a significant difference. nyc's black populace could cut away a parallel count from the black populaces of boston/detroit/chicago230,000/atlanta 190,000/new orleans and quite a few other cities and still have half of its size. Yes, pioneer, you talked with your offline peers. Ok, very true, but you plus troy's lives or connections doesn't mean nyc's black populace is too small to include mine. Lol...not sure where you get your numbers from. Detroit has a little over 500,000 Black people living in the city itself and almost that many scattered across the vast metropolitan area. In all, the Detroit area has over 1 million Black people. Chicago itself has a little over 1 million Black people in the city and probably about a million in it's suburbs too...making the Chicago area about 2 million. It may not be as big as New Yorks, but percentage wise it takes up a much bigger chunk since New York has a much larger White and Asian population to offset the Black population.
  10. @Pioneer1 I apologize for being unclear We differ again in that I want all people in the phenotypical race I define as black to be happy. I have no idea who are the decent blacks. What is the largest percentage of black people that you think owned land in the south from the end of the war between the states to the 1960s? I will speak for NYC, the nyc government controlled plus run by whites made sure all the black regions in nycare used for for projects which damage the black populac ein said regions. When the harlem empowerment zone led by bill clinton happened , many black owned businesses in harlem applied, but only one was granted. no black business was given up but per the law you say you respect so much or feel is so badly needed the black busniness were legally pushed out of existence and the black populaces, did what you always suggest and moved on with their our lives legally. You find it odd cause it is not common with your peers but i don't find you odd , not because of I think my scenario majority but because I comprehend the largess of the black populace in nyc. again, the black populace in nyc is large, any single black person side their offline communiques, starting to myself, does not define it. I know their are black people born and raised in nyc who hae lived in a segment of the black populace where the worst fate has occured, this is the truth. But it doesn't mean it is the common or majority in the black populace of nyc, and definitely not indicative of all. Did you know the black populace of chicago si deemed 230,000 while the black populace of nyc is two million. that is a significant difference. nyc's black populace could cut away a parallel count from the black populaces of boston/detroit/chicago230,000/atlanta 190,000/new orleans and quite a few other cities and still have half of its size. Yes, pioneer, you talked with your offline peers. Ok, very true, but you plus troy's lives or connections doesn't mean nyc's black populace is too small to include mine. @ProfD I thought about population sizes. The law enforcement agencies throughout the usa are the real drug pushers in all populaces but definitely the black and i think about a detroit a chicago a new orleans. Their populace is so small, that such an agenda will have a more potent negative influence. I think of new orleans. I have been fortunate to know people from there and they have spoken of deterioration, and that is a nice word. but whn the white government of nw orleans, of . .louisiana makes their plans. Remember they busted a huge ring of black law enforcers in new orleans pushing illegal drugs and my point isn't about the government of new orleans or its parts like the new orleans law enforcement or louisiana but how the black populace of new orleans has a larger percentage of the total population to the city it is based in than most black populaces, its true quanitty is so small that the damage of negative actions from white government historically or modernly saturate a larger portion of the black populace in said city. in parallal, even though nyc's black populace has never been the majority in nyc it is quite large and nyc's various plans against the black populace have never touched the whole black populace. Thank you, your whole comment [ https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/10861-nycs-nypd-cost-the-city-and-state-alot-of-money-but-should-it-be-more/?do=findComment&comment=65944 ] made me see something. I advise all to read the whole comment but I want to focus on one point data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP///wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw== and may i add, less importantly while first, it is a problem in the same way drinking liquor was for whites, that was why prohibition happened. Prohibiton stated in the roaring twneties you know. The same decade which is lauded in media as a high time of money is also the prohibiton era that supposedly is mired under the drunks, which was it? it can't be both. Some whites, like some blacks, look at their own populace and criminalize, cause you see poor, cause you see those on drugs and yes, drinking liquor is a drug act. so... And , it is an interesting comparison that like the white religious segment of the white populace's heavy support of prohibiton the black religious segment of the the black populaces fervent, fanatical support of the war on drugs the war on crime, which is still strong in said segment, neither action is honest to the majority condition of either populace. More importantly while second, the white populace never has a large percent of itself, ala prohibiton, that decries itself a failed populace in modernity for white people who do wrong to whites. In NYC ,in modernity, not 1960s, but, 2000s, the white asian mob, herded and herds its own people into various tenement buildings, like our forebears in the white boats, and caused untold sickness , maybe even death, but the white asian populace has never made a big deal of their underworlds quite negative acts towards its own. Again in modernity, i don't know how many mestizo , latin american, businesses act as drug fronts with multiple daycare centers being publicly uncovered now. Causing the harm or death of mestizo children. But does the mestizos say in spanish the world is falling, do they amrch when a mestizo child is murdered by their own. No, they move cause it isn't the majority situation. Most humans , don't want negativity, but judging your own populace based on extreme minority behavior is dysfunctional but only the black dos populace in the usa today has suc ha strong segment of itself doing this.
  11. Again the period of time I’m talking about is the 70s through the 90s in New York City When my mother said when she moved into the housing project it was beautiful. There were flowers growing on the lawns, and the whole property was well-maintained back then I believe it was only opened to married people, and someone had to have a job. I believe these rules changed, and as a result, the class of people changed. NYCHA also failed to maintain the properties very well. I read recently that the projects were in such a state of this repair that the city could no longer afford to maintain them, and are now looking at options to allow private ownership. many who lived in the projects, believe that this was always a plan to private the apartments kick the poor people out, the gentrifiers would love nothing more than the happen, or to have to build and completely torn down As an adult, I lived in Harlem for 17 years and it was far better than it was when I was a kid, so I’m not talking about Harlem in the after the turn of century. New York City in the late 20th century had more than 2,000 murders a year the city was about to default financially and crime and filth and graffiti was everywhere and all of this was worse in poor communities. By the time I was raising kids in Harlem, the crime rate was down significantly the murder rate was down by a By the time I was raising kids in Harlem, the crime rate was down significantly the murder rate was down by an order of magnitude the subways Were bar cleaner and safer When I was a kid, prostitution and drugs, Rained supreme in Times Square, the movie houses played triple X movies today. It is family friendly more like Disney. look, I don’t doubt that some people lived very well in New York City in the 1970s 80s and 90s but they had to have some serious paper. If you grew up in an impoverished neighborhood During that time, I do find it hard to believe that one would have no complaints unless they’re entirely delusional or in incomplete denial. To answer the main question of the post however, when I was a kid, the police were more harmful than helpful. Indeed, we didn’t even like the police. Giving them more money. Would not have made things better. I don’t think the police need more money. They just need to be better at their jobs. I also wonder how much of the budget for the police department go to paying into their very generous pensions, which allows them to retire in their early 40s.
  12. richardmurray I have always opposed that positon. You want people to be happy, then you have to help them be happy. 1. You've always opposed WHICH position? The position that we should prevent crime from escalating? 2. I want DECENT AfroAmericans to be happy. I don't necessarily want thugs, criminals, and psychopaths to be happy. Part of their happiness involves living in peace and being able to walk the streets safely. Wealth is the key, money is the key. In some cases. In other cases SECURITY is the key to happiness. What good is having a lot of money but you're constantly worried about getting robbed or kidnapped for it? But of course, this goes back to another simple prolbem in the black populace in the usa. All black people know whites run things so black empowerment or improvement will not happen easily and moreover, black people haven't been able to have access to the financial betterment that genocide to natives or enslaving a people who don't look like us brings. We HAVE had access to SOME financial betterment but a lot of poor decision making has taken place over the decades. Like selling a lot of the land we had down South to move to larger cities or move up North. Also giving up much of the businesses that we owned during Segregation. The national urban league suggest 200 years to equity and I think of james baldwin, whenone of his last speeches he said, when will it happen, for my children or their grandchildren. The goal shouldn't be mere "equity" with Whites but generating as much wealth as our potential allows. Which would theoretically mean FAR MORE than Whites or any other group outside of ourselves. We should be trying to generate as much wealth as we can...not simple trying to be "equal" with people who aren't worthy of being equal to. That rate is slow but it makes sense to me as black wealth in the usa has never been through financially opportune scenarios, again, let black people in the usa have access to the financial wealth garnered from slavery + genocide and we will jump up quick. That is how white people did it. They were not working the land or working their own land. White people generated their wealth in a NUMBER of ways...Slavery was just one. well, in my experience the phenotypical association of latinos isn't a simple generaliztion witin the latin american popualce in the usa or outside of it. True. However based on my observations, unlike most of the United States...in New York City most Latinos that I've met and others that I've presumed were Latino were either Black or Mulatto. from my view, you want to discount my real life because my real life is different than yours. I don't want to discount it. However I do QUESTION it and find it someone odd that you were raised in a city where most others that I've talked to have observed and experienced high crime but somehow most of it has escaped YOUR radar and those you grew up around....lol. but you said you wanted 0% so the truth is, you know 0% is unachievable but you want to reach it, Let's be clear.... I said 0% is the only ACCEPTABLE percentage of people who are victims of violent crime for me not to CARE or feel that NYPD should be involved. In other words... If ANYONE is a victim of a violent crime, we should care and get the authorities involved in it's solution and future prevention. Maybe where you live or lived most illegal drug dealers want to hang out with children but not where I live. Where I lived....some of the drug pushers WERE children, lol. And, will i be ok with an illegal drug dealer trying to get a child? no. But if 99% of drug dealers are not trying to get children I can accept it. Again, 100% is impossible. And As the latino illegal drug dealing covers where children recently died in NYC showed, latinos didn't suggest the same as you to their populace when a child was found dead by their drug dealers negligence or uncaring. why? it isn't a common thing. Or perhaps among some Latinos, dead children in drug infested areas are TOO COMMON so they no longer care or see the need for restrictions and laws to combat it. this issue we have gone back and forth with proves media not actions matter. It doesnt matter who commits a crime it matters how media present it. True to a certain extent. So wouldn't that mean WE should be trying to control the media also? The real estate industry burned the bronx to the ground, a public secret all in harlem or the bornx knew, the law enforcement knew, the fire department knew, but the media said it was black people, black people who share your views said the wild criminal blacks, and that is that. Why didn't the BLACK MEDIA oppose that narrative with the truth? but why should most black people be happy in the usa, historically at the least? You may as well ask why should most people PERIOD be happy..lol. Human beings generally find ways to be happy and dance, sing, and have sex regardless as to what they're going through.
  13. MY THOUGHTS 0:20 Zenobia your shirt 4:44 People forget that in the 1970s in the north east, some schools had the last of governmentally funded activities. 7:27 And the USA has continually asked Cuba to let them take Assata Shakur from in Cuba. And Assata Shakur still has a warrant for her. 8:29 yes, Billy Holiday 10:18 Tupac is a real life example of a child growing up in an environment like :Night Catches Us Black kids growing up in Black Panther homes in Black communities in the 1970s is a huge dichotomy. The Black Panthers had great successes but were hammered all the time by white organizations , governmentally or private. In the 1970s at their first phases end, the black community in the majority is being abused and attacked , from drugs being put in black communities bu law enforcement agencies which are proxies for white communal wealth. All this creates a complex environment. 16:12 nice musical point on the changes of Tupac's music 18:37 frustration not anger 20:45 stress created the bald headedness, yes , artist knows 23:36 Tupac/Biggie many black entertainers have complex lives. 25:15 Did they ever find out who killed Tupac? 27:13 Selena was pregnant, I didn't know that. 28:25 Interesting that Tupac's family did trust someone who had a relatively negative relationship or distant relationship with Tupac. 30:39 Nike, I thought about what you said about the Aretha Franklin biopic.
  14. I really felt this post. All jokes aside, these experiences and being able to not only survive but come out and thrive is just ONE of the reasons I admire and rocks with you bro. You are living proof that some things....as you suggest in your other thread...may be PRE-DETERMINED and meant to be. BTW...... While both are from down South, my Father decided to come to Detroit while one of his brothers/my uncle decided to move to New York. Even back in the 80s he said the SAME THING about having money in several spots so that you can have SOMETHING to give to the muggers and junkies on the street if they accost you, lol.
  15. ProfD I was referring to throwing the whole weight of the NOI into getting Black folks to stop making negative music and movies. Perhaps they are doing as YOU suggest by trying to clean up and prevent the conditions that INFLUENCE the negative music and movies to begin with. In fact, I remember Minister Farrakhan embracing and supporting rappers. Sure, and so do I....positive ones. Actor Hill Harper went to Harvard Law school with POTUS Obama. It appears that he's following in Obama's political footsteps by adopting a major city to call his own and launch his base from.
  16. Got it. Dr. Wesley Muhammad is one man though. I was referring to throwing the whole weight of the NOI into getting Black folks to stop making negative music and movies. In fact, I remember Minister Farrakhan embracing and supporting rappers. AfroAmericans told C. Delores Tucker to shut up and go sat down somewhere. She was tool of the dominant society. That's the mental health issue I was referring to which certainly needs to be dealt with clinically before it becomes a menace to society. Actor Hill Harper went to Harvard Law school with POTUS Obama.
  17. 2:30 it's funny how being a single parent like any adult comes in all forms. Zenobia, the question is do you think using an uncommon form of single parenting is unwarranted or just not your artistic cup of tea? 4:34 Claudine is old enough to be before women had the 2023 levels of freedom from male domination , yes I am a man. But Nike, women globally are still commonly in Claudine's situation. It's funny how in the usa, the rules in the usa are nonchalantly applied to the global humanity, when you said something similar too, this was when women couldn't have a bank account. 7:20 The question is, did the kids too easily or quickly accept James Earl Jones new parental figure? Nike or Zenobia. 10:30 haha! Too many Black women have heard a black man or black men say publicly, or in the black man cave, women are too much:) in the usa. 13:52 did the story before the movie, when Claudine met the new interest, did she trick him or not tell him about the kids? 23:22 great scenes, with the young daughter and James Earl Jones shock at what he is getting into. 30:35 Good question Zenobia, did the characterizations in Claudine give examples to how certain negative behaviors develop from child to adult. 32:14 yes, Pauline wasn't in the category of "Whitey Bad" films. The funny thing about Shaft and Foxy Brown is how they were written by whites. Foxy Brown was written by Jack Hill. Shaft was written by Ernest Tidyman. As a writer my biggest issue with many films in the 1970s that had nearly all black cast or definitely all black major cast, are the writers of the stories are white , sequentially, the viewpoints or narratives are from whites interpreting black people, or referring to their black connections. 36:02 Great point, Sweetback plus other films in the 1970s involving black musicians or actors, is why in the late 1970s <star wars> + 80s <back to the future , die hard, et cetera> films with mostly white thespians put such a huge emphasis on soundtracks, that is one of the elements that the 1970s films in the USA with majority black thespians brought into the complete USA film industry. Closing thoughts: what are my thoughts to welfare or single parenting relevancy. To relevancy, you have to break issues up. First welfare itself + single parenting. Where do I begin. Claudine is in Harlem, a city that is legally a district of a borough in a city. Remember, each district in New York City has more people in it that the average city in the USA. Think on that, cities in the USA with a third the populace of harlem have full representation or powers over their geography while harlem has none. Why does this matter? Welfare is a leg up system, like the projects also a NYC concept spread throughout the USA, that can be easily insufficient but on existence always acceptable or rejectable. To rephrase, people can always say a person shouldn't be on welfare, using the taxpayers money, or they can say it is a public good to aid a person who needs financial assistance, but the quality of assistance the person gets tends to be insufficient, regardless of people's opinion of it. The best example is another film, also based in NYC. The film is Sabrina. Sabrina's father and Roop are similar men. The maids of the lauraughby household are no different than Claudine. But, Roop + Claudine are not getting a wage anywhere near what the workers in the Laraughby household are getting. So Claudine + Roop need welfare, they need assistance to equal what the servants in Sabrina are getting doing the same work. But the government of Harlem , wait it doesn't exist. NYC's government which doesn't cater to the whole city doesn't provide a welfare system or a labor law adequate. As for single parenting, the reality is Black people have been single parents or being raised absent parents in far harder circumstances. I argue that black people in the usa today complain more about other black people in difficult scenarios than warranted. It was worse in the past in the USA. But that leads to the next point. The next point is perception, cause perception in the Black community in the usa is rarely functional. Welfare or single parenting is a prime example. Black individuals who will make speeches, give rants on Black people using welfare or being a single parent, will be silent amidst the presence of a non black person on welfare or being a single parent. Which means what? the problem most black people have isn't welfare or single parenting cause they would rant at non black instances the way they rant at black instances. The problem is , they want zero percent black people on welfare or zero percent black people as a single parent. Many a non black is a single parent in NYC today, many. But you never hear in the news from white asians, white latinos, white muslims avbout their own people still on welfare being lazy, or their own women need to close their legs. And not because it isn't happening, it is because they give their own the freedom to be that way without condemnation. Even though more white people are on welfare in the usa than black people, some black people want black people to have no one on welfare, while white people say that is the governments role to help their own. Even though more single mothers are non black in the usa than black single mothers, some black people want no black woman to be a single parent, while non blacks go on begging sprees for their own single mothers who are doing the same job like Claudine. I will end this part with a little truth that sometimes black people don't include in comprehending how we got here. In the late 1900s a number of movements, like the club women in the usa, supported the idea of black improvement regardless, meaning even though the scenario is unfair or unjust or negative to black people or a black person they are obliged to overcome all of that, regardless. And that culture back then has become today a heritage many black people adhere to. A false one. A government is meant to govern. But a government should not be treated as something to be proud of or a member of absent an ability to be in your favor, and sadly, that concept is what many black leaders accepted in the past. The idea isn't born from stupidity, it is born from a question black people were forced to ask themselves when the war between the states ended. If I am supposed to love this place, the USA, instead of leave it, and how can I love it, when my people or community or self is mistreated yearly, monthly, daily. The answer is simple. You have to love and not leave it, regardless. That is the source of the absolutism in the black community in the usa. Now a heritage that many black people adhere to in the usa, in my view, a dysfunctional heritage but nothing is completely bad. I will speak of its merits another time:) I want to end with one of the most important points in the film. Fiscally poor people don't have easy relationships because they are fiscally poor. And yes, Claudine has six kids, begs for welfare even though she works for a living, Roop is a garbage man who has to pay for kids not Claudine's he isn't as socially connected to and barely has any money to help Claudine with her kids. Yes, and you know what, they do love each other and they can smile and walk down that street in northern Harlem:) with all those kids, still broke but loving. As a note, Claudine was a rare film in the 1970s organized by a black production company. Third world cinema of Ozzie Davis. And that is the point.
  18. My extended thoughts https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2323&type=status
  19. MY THOUGHTS AND THE ARTICLE

     

    well i read the article, the argument by tyree is dysfunctional, the book was written in 2001, tyree admits the strategem would had been successful in 2010, so... saying it isn't how the industry operates in 2024 is dysfunctional. This is about a moment in the usa, this is not meant to be how the usa was before or after, but this was a real scenario. I wonder why everett had nothing to say. And the argument from some blacks against "urban lit" is no different than italians against italian mob movies . having people look like you represented in a way you don't like doesn't define you, but doesn't make it unreal. Some black people were and are step and fetchit's this doesn't mean I am or any other black person is one of them. Cord Jefferson's question shows he is either ignorant of black history or in denial about black experiences in the usa. For anyone who reads up to this point, let me say something that it seems isn't common knowledge in the usa. Most black people in the usa have always been unhappy or miserable, always. Yes from the colonial times to now a minority in the black populace in the usa has been happy. But, an overwhelming majoirty 95% to 75% of black people in the usa have been terrorized by whites in the usa or by the system of government in the usa designed or ruled by whites. I don't see how anyone black, non black or other can not accept that simple truth. Yes, obama exist, yes, michelle obama exist, yes oprah and the william sisters and lebron james exists. Ok most black people in the usa are miserable, are in pain, are unhappy, have dealt with trauma and they come from a centuries line of black people who felt worse. Said negativities are not the only things we have to offer to culture and have never been the only things. We made negro spirituals that uplift people today before the usa was founded. we made lues music that is utilized in so many asian animated works to characterize strong thoughtful characters. we made jazz that is considered world music and one of the utmost signs of improvisation. Cord Jefferson suggested black people's stories of pain or suffering or anguish or anger are too large in quantity, are too present. what? We made brer rabbit, which was referred to in positive fantasy star trek to save a bunch of defenseless humanoids from corruptions in and out of the fantasy united nations institution called the federation , with earth itself as its usa .saundra and others in the article's great flaw is speaking of the now. They can't get out of the now in assessing the film. Many black people in the usa  like to say , black folk need to forget the past, but does that mean we are to lie about it, or judge all only in the modern? 

     

     

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    Some urban lit authors see fiction in the Oscar-nominated ‘American Fiction’

    BY HILLEL ITALIE

    Updated 10:41 AM EST, March 5, 2024

     

    NEW YORK (AP) — Omar Tyree, author of such urban lit narratives as “Flyy Girl” and “The Last Street Novel,” recently went to see the Oscar-nominated movie “American Fiction.”

    “I loved the emotions of the family,” Tyree said of the comic drama starring best actor nominee Jeffrey Wright as the struggling author-academic Thelonious “Monk” Ellison, Leslie Uggams as his ailing mother and supporting actor nominee Sterling K. Brown as his troubled and unpredictable brother. “I love seeing how Monk tries to bring the family unit together and just seeing Black people trying to work things out.”

    But when asked about the film’s featured storyline — Monk finds unexpected success when he publishes a crude novel under the assumed identity of ex-con Stagg R. Leigh — Tyree laughed and gave a nod to “creative license.”

    “The whole idea that he’s going to sell a lot of books by keeping it raw, in real life it doesn’t work like that,” he said. “That kind of book would have been stronger in the early 2000s.”

     

    “American Fiction,” nominated for a best picture Academy Award and in four other categories, was adapted from Percival Everett’s “Erasure,” a 2001 novel that came out when a genre alternately called “urban lit,” “urban fiction,” “street lit” or “hip-hop fiction” was peaking, especially among young Black readers. Novels like Sister Souljah’s “The Coldest Winter Ever,” Shannon Holmes’ “B-More Careful” and Teri Woods’ “True to the Game” were selling hundreds of thousands of copies while major publishers, who had initially ignored the genre, were offering large advances in search of the next hit.

    The urban lit genre dates back at least to 1967, and the release of the memoir “Pimp,” written by Robert Maupin, who was in jail when he began writing under the name Iceberg Slim and built a large word-of-mouth following. He inspired another street lit pioneer, Donald Goines, author of the Kenyatta urban crime series and other works from the 1970s that influenced such hip-hop stars as Tupac Shakur, who would famously declare, “Machiavelli was my tutor, Donald Goines my father figure.”

    Urban lit is still around, but no new releases approach the heights of 20 years ago. According to Circana, which tracks around 85% of the print retail market, the genre sold around 380,000 copies in 2023, far less than the total sales for “The Coldest Winter Ever.” Many leading urban lit authors these days are either independently published — among them Black Lavish and Mz. Lady P — or released through Kensington Publishing Corp., which still has cut back over the past decade.

    “At one point, the majority of the books on our list that were written by Black authors would have been categorized as urban or street lit,” says Vida Engstrand, Kensington’s director of communications. Because of changes in the “retail landscape and reader interest,” Kensington now offers a much broader selection, with “very few front list titles that fall squarely in the category of urban lit,” she says.

    Everett, an award-winning author whose novels include “The Trees” and the upcoming “James,” was unavailable for comment, his publisher said.

    Monk is inspired to write his pseudonymous book after looking through a bestseller titled “We’s Lives In Da Ghetto” and reading such sentences as “Momma says I be the ’sponsible one and tell me that I gots to hold thing togever while she at work clean dem white people’s house.” After failing to catch on as a literary author, he is offered a six-figure book deal and seven-figure movie deal for his profanely titled novel.

    Stagg R. Leigh is praised by critics and even wins a prestigious literary prize. But few were calling Teri Woods or Shannon Holmes likely Pulitzer winners. The publishing community debated whether urban lit should be condemned for reinforcing stereotypes about Black life — stereotypes parodied by Everett in his novel — or welcomed for its blunt portraits of crime and poverty and for attracting new audiences.

    “I’ve heard a lot of people within the Black community who have that viewpoint, that urban lit doesn’t reflect all of us,” says author Porscha Sterling. “And while it’s important to show the Black community in multiple ways, I do think it’s important to have a well-rounded view that includes everyone.”

    “In my opinion, it was wrong to characterize these books as different from other Black literature,” says Malaika Adero, an author, agent and executive editor for AUWA, a Macmillan imprint led by Questlove. “We’ve had all kinds of classic books that dealt with the underground economy and the ghetto and weren’t classified as hip-hop lit.”

    Monk’s novel has some parallels to a bestseller from the 1990s, Sapphire’s “Push,” an acclaimed and controversial novel about a pregnant teen from Harlem that begins in broken English, but becomes more traditional as the girl learns to read and write. At the time, Sapphire (a pen name for Ramona Lofton) was a little-known poet who received a large advance and attracted the interest of Hollywood. The book became the Oscar-winning movie “Precious.”

    “American Fiction” director Cord Jefferson, nominated for best adapted screenplay, has said that reading “Erasure” reminded him of conversations he had with friends over the years.

    “Why are we always writing about misery and trauma and violence and pain inflicted on Blacks? Why is this what people expect from us? Why is this the only thing we have to offer to culture?” Jefferson often wondered, he told The Associated Press last fall.

    One urban lit author, Saundra, said she found “American Fiction” funny, but “a tad bit overdramatized,” adding she doubted a novel like the one Monk wrote would be so welcomed now. Sterling, whose novels include the series “Gangland” and “Bad Boys Do It Better,” said she identified with Monk’s frustration at not being understood and recognized, but also said the satire in “American Fiction” left her feeling “misunderstood”

    “I don’t know any people who write like that in the urban lit genre,” she said.

    Author K’Wan Foye, known as K’Wan, says he related well to the movie, even if it was “poking fun” at urban lit. He remembers being encouraged 20 years ago to write “something really ghetto,” what became his popular “Hood Rat” series, and showing up for a meeting at St. Martin’s Press wearing a Biggie Smalls-style suit.

    “They thought it was some kind of persona, the way Stagg R. Leigh is in the movie,” K’Wan said. “And I was like, ‘No, this is who I am.’”

    If “Erasure” had been published now, the protagonist would likely have chosen a different kind of book to parody the commercial market, authors and publishers say. Tyree thinks he would have been writing nonfiction, maybe working on a celebrity confessional like Jada Pinkett Smith’s “Worthy.” Shawanda Williams, who oversees the Black Odyssey imprint of Kensington, cites the 2022 bestseller “The Other Black Girl,” the surreal tale of a Black editorial assistant at a publishing house.

    Saundra, whose novels include “Hustler’s Queen” and “It Ain’t About the Revenge,” says the urban lit market has faded enough that she’s trying a different kind of book. In 2025, Kensington will publish “The Treacherous Wife,” which she calls “domestic suspense.”

    “Times are changing,” she says, “and I think readers are looking for suspense, something everyone can relate to.”

     

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  20. It's easy to protest against the promotion of violence and dysfunction in music and movies. I wonder why the Nation of Islam and other Black organizations aren't protesting against it. The wholistic approach means attacking the system responsible for the conditions. Mental health is a very real issue in America that isn't being addressed well enough. Sure. The criminal justice system strives to protect the citizens from the worst of us. That should not keep us from protecting ourselves too. That means dealing with dysfunctional sh8t before it becomes a problem. Those two areas get mentioned a lot but there are enclaves of successful Black folks in every major city in America. I would not be surprised. I'm sure Detroit is one of those cities that has an enclave of successful Black folks living in the suburbs of it. The reality is that only a handful of Black folks give a sh8t about the system of racism white supremacy and reparations. It makes FBA/ADOS look similar to those Black Hebrew Israelites standing around on corners yelling at, er, preaching to folks as they pass by.
  21. NYC to cut overtime pay for police despite being understaffed by 'thousands' (msn.com) New York City to Cut Overtime Pay for NYPD, Other Departments in Response to Migrant Crisis (msn.com) Cutting the overtime pay for your own POLICE FORCE in favor of illegal immigrants??? That's suicide....political suicide. Even if you DID have to make cuts, cutting the pay of your soldiers that you rely on to protect you and keep order under your authority is one of the LAST things you'd do . And Eric Adams was a cop HIMSELF. I'm no fan of the NYPD. What little I DID see of them when I was in New York didn't leave me with the best impression of them. However, if these reports are true, I'm going to have to say Mayor Eric Adams is being played for a COMPLETE FOOL. Whoever on his staff suggested these particular cuts and even fed the stories to the media is trying to UNDERMINE him. He's being turned into the FALL GUY and POSTER CHILD for all politicians guilty of selling out their own American citizens and constituents for illegal immigrants. White folks are doing it. Wealthy White folks of BOTH political parties are bringing illegals into the nation and shipping them all over the nation for the purpose of cheap labor and displacement of AfroAmericans. That's a fact. The US labor market and citizens’ views are shifting in favor of immigration (msn.com) "Citizen's views" my ass....lol. Nobody I know is in favor of immigration legal OR illegal....but the media is trying to JUSTIFY the plans that wealthy White men have enabled to help the LABOR MARKET. But THEY don't want to be the face of it; they want to make a Black man the face of it. So the poor, destitute, and angry Americans will blame HIM instead of THEM. ...and he's walking right into the trap. How foolish.
  22. ProfD I've heard that non-scientific trope. As as I musician, I know that it's patently false. I'm not a musician nor a scientist when it comes to these things so I'll refer you to the findings of Dr. Wesley Muhammad who talks about this a lot. That's an easy problem to solve. In fact, folks have been moving away from them for several decades now. They've been moving away but: 1. Most of them end up dragging the dead weight with them whether it's a lover or family member they're trying to "help" get out the hood. 2. Many of our people who move up and out end up taking on White lovers and mating with them instead of forming positive Black communities. What we need is intelligent positive Black people to circle their wagons and unite with eachother to form tight knit communities around the nation.
  23. ProfD A very small number of well-adjusted AfroAmerican children will grow up and head to the hood to traffic in foolishness. Right, and "well adjusted" is the key term in your statement. Now how many AfroAmerican children ARE "well adjusted" in this nation? Whatever the number (large or small)...take them OUT of the picture, and to your point....the remainder ARE at risk for heading to the hood to engage in foolishness. Prior generations of Black folks believed the devil's music and movies would be detrimental to our well-being. It's call "Hollywood" for a reason. Sticks that magicians used to use were made from the wood of a Holly tree. Non-Black folks are the biggest consumers of Black music. Their communities aren't adversely affected by it. That's because the music isn't promoting White dysfunctionality...lol. Much of it is promoting Black dysfunction." When a rapper raps about grabbing his AK and riding down on some "niggas" on his block.....why should a White man in the suburbs listening to it be concerned???? Everyone listening to that song knows who he's talking about. Black music and movies aren't the *problem* in our communities. It's the lack of codification and leadership and pride and unity among Black folks. I would say it's not THEE problem, but it's A problem to a certain degree because it influences the people....especially the youth. On a deeper psychological level the hertz and frequencies that a lot of modern AfroAmerican music is recorded and played also has a strong effect of the emotions and psyche of the AfroAmerican youth who listen to it. White folks aren't coming against John Wick movies or Country music talking about drinking and driving fast and f8cking. They don't have to, for 2 major reasons: 1. There's enough POSITIVE White movies and music to offset the negative that may appeal to a dysfunctional minority. For ever Terminator movie, you have a Green Fried Tomatoes or When Harry Met Sally love stories where White men are seen as kind and caring. 2. White's control both the movies and music as well as the distribution in their community and so they don't have to worry about an outside enemy WEAPONIZING their movies and music against them like AfroAmericans. They have free range to make (or steal) whatever music they like and sit back in their recliner and enjoy it well up into old age. Sistas need a better selection of strong Black men with whom to build and breed I often wonder, do most American sistas actually WANT a strong Black man. Or do they want weak and broken men they can easily rule as they take on the role as "man" themselves. We know the *problems*. Just a matter of solving. Of course, it begins and ends with codification. A lot of our people THINK they know what the problems are, but in actually have no idea what the REAL problems are in our community. They are focusing more on the SYMPTOMS (minor problems) rather than the ROOT CAUSES (root problems). If the REAL problem is that we have too many bums and low IQ losers in the community....both male and female...acting as dead weight and holding the community back. Then the REAL solution would be to separate ourselves from them and the other minor problems would naturally and gradually solve themselves. But don't expect Zombies to "codify"....lol. "Ahhhrrr come on yall dead muthafuckaz! We need to UNITE and work together to eat some people..."
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