Baal Worship Questions....

[Pioneer1]

I have a series of questions for you @Chevdove concerning your research on the worship of Baal and how it has impacted people and societies around the world through out history.

First of all let me state clearly that I ONLY worship The SUPREME BEING.
I worship no other Deities.
I offer honor and respect and other positive attributes to some other Higher Beings, however my worship and ultimate Honor and Respect goes to The CREATOR of all Existence.

Having said that......

You've done an excellent job following and detailing the various forms of "Baal Worship", so a couple questions right from the start are:

1. Is worshipping Baal actually WRONG to do?

2. If it IS wrong to do, how so?
Meaning....why?
What are the negative consequences that result from the worship of Baal?
 

[Chevdove]

Okay, firstly, I apologize for not getting back sooner. I have had a mandatory event that I had to attend in my family.

 

 

On 2/3/2024 at 12:14 PM, Pioneer1 said:

First of all let me state clearly that I ONLY worship The SUPREME BEING.
I worship no other Deities.
I offer honor and respect and other positive attributes to some other Higher Beings, however my worship and ultimate Honor and Respect goes to The CREATOR of all Existence.

Having said that......

You've done an excellent job following and detailing the various forms of "Baal Worship", so a couple questions right from the start are:

 

Thank you!!!

 

[Chevdove]

On 2/3/2024 at 12:14 PM, Pioneer1 said:

You've done an excellent job following and detailing the various forms of "Baal Worship", so a couple questions right from the start are:

1. Is worshipping Baal actually WRONG to do?

 

For the Hebrew Israelites, the answer would absolutely be YES, Baal worship is completely forbidden for them to observe. It is an ancient Canaanite religion that has deeper origins too, and goes all the way back to being simply Satan worship. 

 

 

[Chevdove]

 

On 2/3/2024 at 12:14 PM, Pioneer1 said:

You've done an excellent job following and detailing the various forms of "Baal Worship", so a couple questions right from the start are:

1. Is worshipping Baal actually WRONG to do?

 

One the main reasons why it is wrong for Black people to worship Baal and the priesthood of Baal is because it ultimately leads them to being UNKNOWINGLY and SYSTEMATICALLY suppressed under White domination. The religion starts out as being NON-White maybe but then eventually it transforms into White Idols becoming a representation of Black idols and then accepted and then eventually Black people find themselves becoming targeted and violently suppressed. 

 

On 2/3/2024 at 12:14 PM, Pioneer1 said:

What are the negative consequences that result from the worship of Baal?

 

Modern day preachers do a good job of explaining the negative consequences but, they keep it completely hidden to the Black world. Nevertheless, I believe that if we don't understand their deception in how they can use the Bible to confuse Black people we will never see the truth completely. So let's take a look at what most of the White preachers say and how they use the Bible to answer this question. 

 

[4] For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. [5] For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.  1KINGS 11:5.

White preachers today do a good job of explaining why Ashtoreth is defined as an ABOMINATION as the Hebrew prophets wrote. 

she is the supreme goddess of Lebanon, or ancient Zidon which is in present day Lebanon. It is the land of the Canaanite Phoenicians [Kenanites].

Today many modern day preachers break it down by explaining more, in that it is the kind of ABOMINATION THAT MAKES DESOLATION that Daniel spoke about and later that Jesus spoke about. So the reason why Baal worship and Baal and Ashtoreth worship is an abomination for the Hebrews to worship is because it is the kind of abomination that leads to utter desolation. Preachers today go farther and explain more how this kind of worship leads to that kind of desolation in the outcome of what happened after the Crucifixion. They explain that because the Jews worshiped Baal and Ashtoreth, they eventually were overthrown and completely and viotently attacked with the residue driven away from their lands and sold off into slavery, never to return. So, this would be the negative consequences of worshiping Baal. 

 

Prior to the set up of the Roman Empire and Daniel's prophecy, it happened as well. That is why the Creator is not worried about the Hebrews in their rebellion because that kind of idol worship will always eventually turn on them and they will be utterly attacked and destroyed anyway! LOL! 

 

The very Assyrians that they [Northern Israel] idolized overthrew them violently! LOL.

They were skinned alive, and forced marched out of their lands, never to return.

Then decades later, the Jews who continued to mix this Baal worship with their religion were finally attacked by the Chaldeans and completely overthrown.

The Chaldeans were Bel worshippers NOT Baal worshipers and they hated the Assyrians and therefore, they watched them Jews for decades and tried to work with them in hopes that they would identify as being a Black people. But they continued to resist the Chaldeans and attempted to make bonds with the Assyrians. But again, the Chaldeans hated the Assyrians and so, they finally got fed up with the Jews and laid seige against them and overthrew them completely. 

 

But today, it is still a confusion because the heroes are telling the story and so many Black people don't understand the issue of Colorism that sets in with this kind of Baal religion. It does not start out as being a White dominated religion. Originally it was Bel Worship. 

 

In the land of Canaan, Bel Worship transformed to being Baal worship but later the definition of Bel came to mean white after all Black civilizations were destroyed.

But in ancient times, Bel worship was a religion in Black civilizations. There is much more to this history about Baal worship!

 

[Pioneer1]

On 2/5/2024 at 10:14 AM, Chevdove said:

 

Then decades later, the Jews who continued to mix this Baal worship with their religion were finally attacked by the Chaldeans and completely overthrown.

The Chaldeans were Bel worshippers NOT Baal worshipers and they hated the Assyrians and therefore, they watched them Jews for decades and tried to work with them in hopes that they would identify as being a Black people. But they continued to resist the Chaldeans and attempted to make bonds with the Assyrians. But again, the Chaldeans hated the Assyrians and so, they finally got fed up with the Jews and laid seige against them and overthrew them completely. 

 

But today, it is still a confusion because the heroes are telling the story and so many Black people don't understand the issue of Colorism that sets in with this kind of Baal religion. It does not start out as being a White dominated religion. Originally it was Bel Worship. 

 

In the land of Canaan, Bel Worship transformed to being Baal worship but later the definition of Bel came to mean white after all Black civilizations were destroyed.

But in ancient times, Bel worship was a religion in Black civilizations. There is much more to this history about Baal worship!

 

Interesting information......
I have a few questions.

Are you suggesting that the Chaldeans were "Black" people?
I ask because I grew up in a section of Detroit that had a HUGE Chaldean population and I know quite a bit about them.

Also, you're saying Baal and Bel are two different Beings.
I was under the impression that the word "Bel" was just the Aramaic rendering of the Canaanite "Baal" but referred to the same Being.

Also, are you also suggesting that Chaldeans were different than Assyrians?
It was my understanding that both of them were referred to as "Assurians" in the original scriptures.

[Chevdove]

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Are you suggesting that the Chaldeans were "Black" people?

 

Definitely! The Chaldeans were black and Cushitic. It's in their name. The root name 'Chal' means 'Black' as in the Chalcolithic Age and in the words like 

California, Calcol, etc. 

 

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Also, you're saying Baal and Bel are two different Beings.
I was under the impression that the word "Bel" was just the Aramaic rendering of the Canaanite "Baal" but referred to the same Being.

 

Absolutely two different deities. But again, Baal worship stemmed from the earlier Bel worship. 

There were Black civilizations though that were Baal worshipers and in this religion, they heavily practiced headhunting. 

 

 

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Also, are you also suggesting that Chaldeans were different than Assyrians?
It was my understanding that both of them were referred to as "Assurians" in the original scriptures.

 

Asshur Shem is the ancestor of the Asshurians and the Shurians.

The Asshurians became the Assyrians and their civilizations was in North Syria and they became a predominantly White people.

The name 'Assyria' means 'White Syrian'.

 

The Syrians were ethnic peoples who lived in the South in ancient Syria.

The Assyrians were Separatist and separated from the Syrians. 

 

The Chaldeans were completely different from the Assyrians. 

The Chaldeans were Cush Ham and formed their cultures in Babylon.

They were enslaved by the Assyrians and so, Nebuchadnezzar's name was Nabopolassar [i.e. Nabo-Pul-Asshur].

However, after the Chaldeans overthrew the Assyrians, they changed their names to Nabuchadnezzar.

 

At times, in the Bible, the name is written as Nabuchadrezzar [i.e. Rezzar] because he became famous for his method of destroying cities by RAZING.

Razing is his method of destroying ancient city palaces as he did to the First Temple of Solomon as well. 

Nebuchadnezzar [i.e. Nebuchadrezzar] razed the cities of the Assyrian empire. 

According to the Bible, the Chaldeans were definitely Black Hamitic and they had help to overthrow the Assyrians too.

The Medes and the Elamites also helped in this endeavor. 

2Kgs.24

[1] In his days Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came up, and Jehoiakim became his servant three years: then he turned and rebelled against him. [2] And the LORD sent against him bands of the Chaldees, and bands of the Syrians, and bands of the Moabites, and bands of the children of Ammon, and sent them against Judah to destroy it, according to the word of the LORD, which he spake by his servants the prophets.

 

Jer.25

[1] The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the people of Judah in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, that was the first year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon;

 

*Both names are written Nebuchadnezzar and Nebuchadrezzar of which each carry a specific aspect of this king. 

As 'Nezzar', he was a Nazarite who freed his people from captivity in the Assyrian empire. As 'Rezzar' he was a warrior who razed cities.

 

The name 'Nebuchad' also means Dark Cloud or Storm Cloud. 

 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

Chev

 

 

The Syrians were ethnic peoples who lived in the South in ancient Syria.

 

You said the Syrians were "ethnic".
Were they Black, though?

 

 

 

 

The Chaldeans were completely different from the Assyrians. 

 

From which one did the Aramaic language come from?

 

 

 

The Medes and the Elamites also helped in this endeavor

 

What race were they, respectively?
 

[Chevdove]

On 2/10/2024 at 7:49 AM, Pioneer1 said:

You said the Syrians were "ethnic".
Were they Black, though?

 

I don't know how to answer that completely. The Syrians, according to ancient scripture are descendants of Asshur Shem and he was 'Bi-racial'. His father is Shem is mother is a Canaanite/White woman. So, because Shem was real Black skinned then the original Syrians or Asshurians were African-typed. 

But the culture developed in Ur of the Chaldees so, they were a culture of Ur, a distinct culture. The Hur culture was another distinct culture in Ur of the Chladees and so, there were many distinct and ethnic Ur cultures in the First Babylonia. 

 

But then over the course of decades there developed unique Shurian cultures or Syrians. The Israelites were one distinct Syrian people themselves but they were distinct from other Syrian peoples. 

 

But the Assyrians were separatist and so, they through sex selection, and the ancient White women fertility MOON sex cult, became a unique people and were concentrated in North Syria while the Syrians 'Black' people were concentrated in South Syria. 

 

On 2/10/2024 at 7:49 AM, Pioneer1 said:

The Chaldeans were completely different from the Assyrians. 

 

From which one did the Aramaic language come from?

 

Urartu culture in Syria, South Syria. The Phoenician and/or early Aramaic language, I think stems from B linear script and language, from what I can remember. 

The Chaldean peoples stem from the earliest Babylonia Sumerians but by the time of Nebuchad, it had been over a thousand years. 

So I think that the earliest languages actually stem from Babylon but Aramaic is defined as a Semitic language, I think.

 

 

 

On 2/10/2024 at 7:49 AM, Pioneer1 said:

 

The Medes and the Elamites also helped in this endeavor

 

What race were they, respectively?

 

The Medes origin is Medo-Persian or Madai Japheth according to ancient script. They are a White people, an ethnic White people.

The Elamites are defined as being decendants of Shem, however their origins are heavily intermixed with Cush Ham, so they are defined in ancient script as being 

Ethiopian. 

[Chevdove]

The Catholic Chaldean community you mentioned are completely different from the ancient Chaldeans.

Since you mentioned them, I googled and read about their immigrating from Iraq in the AD 1800s. 

Interesting!

When I think about this group, it reminds me of the term 'SOUTH AFRICAN'.

South AFricans and Africans are completely distinct, and it's so incredible too, how White Europeans take on names that completely confuse history!

 

Again though, the root name 'Chal' and 'Cal' means Black and the ancient Chaldees were definitely Cush Ham. 

It is also amazing too, that even the name CALIFORNIA stems from this ancient origin and is based on a legend from the east world about

a Black woman or tribe thought to be in California in ancient times!

 

 

Calafia, or Califia, is the fictional queen of the island of California, . . . She is the namesake of the California region encompassing the U.S. state of California and the Mexican states of Baja California and Baja California Sur.

 

 

In the novel, Calafia is a pagan warrior queen who ruled over a kingdom of Black women living on the Island of California (an island off the coast of Asia).

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calafia

 

 

 

By Maynard Dixon (January 24, 1875 – November 11, 1946) artwork // Wysinger at English Wikipedia - No machine-readable source provided. Own work assumed (based on copyright claims). photo, Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=51612543

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/19281104633152797/ 

 

Many sources only date this legend to the AD 1500s but earlier sources reveal that this legend began much earlier in ancient times and not in Mexico but in the Mediterranean world and in India during the early times when the Arabs became dominant. 

[Pioneer1]

Chev

 

 

You...like I used to....are using the Biblical table of nations found in Genesis after the Flood to distinguish the various ethnic groups and their origins and relations.

I have reason to believe that most of these nations and ethnicities were already in existence and named before the allegedly Flood took place....if it actually did.

Phoenicians is a generic name for the mixed up inhabitants of the Levant area which was formerly known as Kena'an.

The original peoples of that land were Kena'ani but later on the Sea People known in the Bible as Philistines came and mixed in with the people.
Together they both are known as Phoenicians.

 

As far as the Chaldeans...........

Yes, the ones in Michigan I grew up seeing were primarily Arab/Caucasian.  What stood out about them the most were the fact that unlike most of the other Arabs I saw, they were predominately Christian.

I later did research on them and realized that they were among the first Caucasians of that land (northern Iraq) before the Arabs came up and colonized much of it.

Ancestors of the Akkadians.

 

Interesting information on California! 

[Chevdove]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Phoenicians is a generic name for the mixed up inhabitants of the Levant area which was formerly known as Kena'an.

 

Both names Phoenicia and Kena'an are in ancient script and I agree in what you write.

Yes, the Chaldeans, I agree stem from ancient Akkad and the First Babylonia.

But the name Caucasian and Chaldean are two different terms with two different origins.

 

Also, I got it wrong about 'Urartu'. 

I later realized i meant to say Ugarit of Syria.

 

Hold on to your hat @Pioneer1! I hope to share my research about the Original Caucasians.

I've said it years ago but never got around to posting that the Caucasians today are not the same as the ancient times.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I have reason to believe that most of these nations and ethnicities were already in existence and named before the allegedly Flood took place...

 

The date of the flood is in the 2300s BC and so NO, the Kenanites did not develop a culture until after this time period.

 

Anyway let me start my research with the Original Caucasians:

Unlike the Chaldeans who are Sumerians of Babylon,

the Original Caucasians are a north eastern people.

I will start a new thread though with a video of a research! 

 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

Chev

 

 

I'd love to view your research to help piece these puzzles together.

A few points to make.......

It is my understanding that the original Sumerians weren't Chaldeans but a group of Black folks who called themselves "Ug Saggiggas" or Black Headed people.

Seems to me there must have been some White folks around for them to distinguish themselves with a name like that...LOL.

 

 

It is also my understanding that like you said there is a difference between the Original people OF what is now called the Caucasus mountains - and the Caucasians themselves.

I agree, the 2 are not the same.
Just like there is a difference between the original Arabs (who were Caucasian) and the Original people OF the peninsula of Arabia who were Black.

 

The Original people of the mountains of Central Asia were various shades of Black and Brown and had been there for thousands of years.
In fact, it wasn't CALLED the "Caucasus Mountains" until the Caucasians were confined in there and THEN the name was changed to reflect their presence.

On top of that.....

 

When the Caucasians were driven up into those mountains, battalions of Black soldiers were sent up to surround those mountains and "seal" them in to keep them from escaping into the Black civilizations.

 

They are the "angels" or "watchers" referred to in the Book of Enoch.

 

They are the "Cherubim" referred to in the Book of Genesis who guarded the way after Adam was driven out.

 

They are also ancestors of the Colchian people referred to in Herodotus'' works and other ancient works mentioning the Black Ethiopians of the Caucasus.

[Chevdove]

12 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

When the Caucasians were driven up into those mountains, battalions of Black soldiers were sent up to surround those mountains and "seal" them in to keep them from escaping into the Black civilizations.

 

They are the "angels" or "watchers" referred to in the Book of Enoch.

 

They are the "Cherubim" referred to in the Book of Genesis who guarded the way after Adam was driven out.

 

They are also ancestors of the Colchian people referred to in Herodotus'' works and other ancient works mentioning the Black Ethiopians of the Caucasus.

 

Awesome!!!

 

I don't kinow about Enoch but I absolutely agree about the Colchians!

15 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

t is my understanding that the original Sumerians weren't Chaldeans but a group of Black folks who called themselves "Ug Saggiggas" or Black Headed people.

Seems to me there must have been some White folks around for them to distinguish themselves with a name like that...LOL.

 

Agree!

 

The term Chaldea is linked to maybe a description in connection with the Chalcolithic Period--Copper and Bronze Age.