Time will tell

[aka Contrarian]

Help me out here. Nobody has yet to explain to my satisfaction why Democrats should stand on ceremony and stick with a faltering  old fart like Joe Biden because when he was at the top of his game, um - he did some good things. Never mind that he is now feeble and in mental decline, - and not polling well! Ignore that Independents and young people are lukewarm about him. Just humor his obstinacy and don't rock the boat. Prop him up, and let him have his way because, well, he is the president and apparently of the same opinion as his opponent when it comes to a president being entitled to special privileges. And above all,  continue to wallow in denial and cling to false hopes. This attitude seems to be second nature to black folks, in particular. Oh well, let's just stick with ol Massa. God got this. Jesus, take the wheel.

 Others like me bestir ourselves long enough to wonder if this is the best fight that the Democrats can put up in the crucial battle for the future of America, and if Biden is the best warrior they can send into battle. If so, count me out. It's bad enough dealing with how the electoral college screws up votes. I'll just bypass the process. I'm too old for it to make me any difference.

But, who knows? The Dems may get lucky!

 

Ho hum, good night.

[ProfD]

The game that is American politics has left us with two old geezers running for POTUS. 

 

The Dems didn't promote any candidates during their primary to oppose the incumbent POTUS.

 

Funny thing is POTUS PJB ran as a 1-term bridge to the future. Now, he wants to finish whatever he started. After 50+ years in the back, he's enjoying the power seat.

 

POTUS PJB has raised over $200 million for the Democratic party. That money helps a lot of people. Especially down ballot.

 

After his terrible debate performance, a few Dems leaders have mentioned that POTUS PJB should consider stepping aside.

 

Well, after the solo news conference he gave yesterday, let's see if those same Dems will do an about face and change their tune.

 

I believe the Dems will keep POTUS PJB propped up to hopefully get re-elected. Behind the scenes, they will have some weird succession plan in the event that POTUS cannot finish the job.

 

The 2024 POTUS choices are set:

 

1) Incumbent POTUS propped up by Botox shots, stem cell injections and other treatments who feels entitled to collecting all of the money from his 50+ years of gov't service. Setting up his family to be financially comfortable for generations. 

 

2) Former POTUS Orange Julius who is a narcissistic, megalomaniac, neo-fascist, racist convict who wants to turn America into an autocracy. This clown wants to rule like a dictator and roll America back 100 years. Half the country is riding with him and fine wirh it.

 

The choices are clear. Only thing left for voters to do is hold their noses on election day.

[Troy]

On 7/12/2024 at 2:55 AM, aka Contrarian said:

Nobody has yet to explain to my satisfaction why Democrats should stand on ceremony and stick with a faltering  old fart like Joe Biden because when he was at the top of his game, um

 

That will be difficult to do because there really isn't a satisfactory answer.  @aka Contrarian do you watch the House of Dragons?  If so, you recall Daemon Targaryen in an effort to bolster his army had to speak with the boy Lucerys Velaryon because the father to too sick to meet.  Daemon suggested that he kill his father to speed up his inheritance. The boy refused saying "It is not our way."  Dameon replied then "you are of no use to me."

 

It is just not the Democrats way and as a result they are of no use to us.  Biden obviously will not step down on his own and no one will push him aside.  

 

It is a shame that we cannot attract our top talent to serve as president of the US.

[aka Contrarian]

Me again. Requesting another  explanation as to why the possible  demise of the United States of America  is a cause for anguish. This is a country that currently is at war with iitself. Why? Because the toxic differences between  lifestyles, religions, ideals, and political policies have created an atmosphere of mutual contempt among a population whose diversity has become its undoing. 

 

So, why should I occupy my time decrying  the disintegration of a country whose collective consciousness is schizophrenic?

 

And doesn't it say something about the true character of a man whose hubris drives him to put his obstinate ego above  country, refusing to gracefully step  aside to give his party a chance to achieve the victory it so desperately needs??

 

[ProfD]

On 7/20/2024 at 2:09 AM, aka Contrarian said:

Me again. Requesting another  explanation as to why the possible  demise of the United States of America  is a cause for anguish. This is a country that currently is at war with iitself. Why? Because the toxic differences between  lifestyles, religions, ideals, and political policies have created an atmosphere of mutual contempt among a population whose diversity has become its undoing. 

IMO, the country thrives on its diversity and *freedoms*. 

 

None of our differences has reached a boiling point where any group or faction is going to start a civil war. 

 

Look no further than AfroAmericans who have been grieving and grumbling for over 100 years.  Other than a few protests and marches, we still have not become violent over those grievances or in demanding reparations for America's original sin.

 

A few rowdy folks stormed the Capitol on January 6th.  Every week there is a mass shooting. 

 

Otherwise, America is a relatively peaceful country.  Maybe I'll think differently if/when I see a mass exodus out of here.

On 7/20/2024 at 2:09 AM, aka Contrarian said:

So, why should I occupy my time decrying  the disintegration of a country whose collective consciousness is schizophrenic?

Too much *free* time on one's hands allows for a certain amount of consternation about one thing or another.

 

In other thread, you mentioned having grandkids.  Rest assured that they really aren't much different from the previous generations.  They too will figure out a way forward.

[Troy]

Well @aka Contrarian Biden, as you surely know, has stepped aside.  Kamala has my vote, but between her and Biden it is a toss-up. 

 

Kamala's tough on crime stance as a San Fran DA and CA Attorney General equates to locking up a lot of Black men with little sympathy.  She seems weak on foreign policy. And you know she'll be a tough pill for white men to swallow -- they wouldn't even support Hillary.

 

I'm definitely not voting for her because she is a "Black." She has my vote simply because she is not Trump.

[aka Contrarian]

@Troy.  Kamala Harris wasn't on my wish list for the Democratic ticket. She has too much baggage and her likeability quotient isn't that high; her nasal voice irritating, her Jewish husband and her white step daughters off-putting. She exudes unwarranted confidence, also brings to mind a giddy school girl just chosen to be homecoming queen.

Yes, she is creating a lot of excitement among the Democratic echo chamber but they need help from uncommitted voters to pull ahead. Black men are, of course, dragging their feet when it comes to endorsing her, and who knows which way white Independents and suburban housewives will go?

I know an open convention would jeopardize party unity but I still think Dems need to do better than Harris to defeat the MAGA Menace. Yet, the Retrumpicans do seem threatened by her - so there's that...

 

Bottom line, I guess I have no choice but to vote for her.

It's not like my opinion matters. 

[Troy]

Yeah, they were calls with 30,000 black men and 34,000 black women respectively over the past couple of days. The Democratic Echo chamber is a full effect.
 

Everything you described about Kamala @aka Contrarian was echoed by many other black people. Some may have forgotten this, but many  haven’t.

 

Suburban women will vote with their husbands. Less than enthused independents Will probably bow out or vote for Trump.
 

It will be interesting to see what percentage of black men vote for Kamala. 
 

I don’t think it matters very much who she picks as a running mate, but it will absolutely have to be a cis-gender-heterosexual-white man — any other choice would be an utter disaster for the ticket.

[ProfD]

VP Kamala Harris unsuccessfully ran for POTUS in 2020.  That's how we ended up with POTUS PJB.    

 

I don't know what VP Kamala Harris can do if anything to boost her reputation among undecided voters.  

9 minutes ago, Troy said:

I don’t think it matters very much who she picks as a running mate, but it will absolutely have to be a cis-gender-heterosexual-white man — any other choice would be an utter disaster for the ticket.

That's right.  Anything less will a match and a can of gasoline to her aspirations.

 

VP Harris will only win the election if there is another referendum on former POTUS OJ.  She will need every Democratic voter to show up. 

 

More importantly, it will take undecided voters pulling to the Left to keep the Orange Jackazz out of the White House. 

14 minutes ago, Troy said:

Suburban women will vote with their husbands. Less than enthused independents Will probably bow out or vote for Trump.

Exactly.  Many of those undecided voters are white men who don't want female POTUS.  Their wives will ride along. 

 

This election will be interesting.  If OJ gets re-elected, he only has 4 years to run the country aground.  He cannot run again..supposedly.

[Troy]

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

Anything less will a match and a can of gasoline to her aspirations.

 

LOL! You know that's right! White boys will lose their shit!

 

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

He cannot run again..supposedly.

 

With a stacked supreme court, he can change that law too.

[ProfD]

23 hours ago, Troy said:

With a stacked supreme court, he can change that law too.

Supreme Court cannot make that call.

 

it would take an act of Congress to overturn the 22nd amendment of the Constitution. 

 

Difficult but not totally impossible especially if the GOP becomes a stronger majority. 

 

However, I believe American voters would step up to prevent a POTUS from more than 2 terms.

[Troy]

Roosevelt was elected for 4 terms they changed the law after him. Trump will probably. be a wartime president

and justify changing the law.

[ProfD]

POTUS Roosevelt also died in office which led to a constitutional amendment.

 

America is not and will not be at war if former POTUS OJ gets re-elected. He won't be a wartime POTUS.