UK Riots

[Pioneer1]

I find it VERY interesting how the international and British press are covering the race riots mass protests over in the UK.

I find it even MORE interesting how the police and local authorities are reacting (or not) to them.

Here in America, 2 cops can shoot down a gentle, attractive (Does being attractive really make a difference? Usually with men), unarmed Black woman in her night gown (sad just thinking about it).
Contrast that with England, where every night you've had entire gangs of angry red-faced White men roaming around with bats and axes smashing property, burning cars, threatening people, and even assaulting police officers....yet you haven't heard of ONE SINGLE DEATH.
Not even one shot fired.

Imaging that.....
A British cop has a gat on his hip and some angry half drunk Brit runs up with a rock and pops him upside the head with it.
And what does that cop do?
He swings around in a damn green vest and runs back into the police station and stares back at the mob...eyes blinking in amazement....behind a glass window with blood trickling down some a rosy red cheek.
The gat on his hip still fresh and shiny...looking brand new.
Not so much as a fingerprint on it.


Something isn't adding up.....
 

[ProfD]

Most British cops do not carry firearms. Only a few specialized folks do. They only show up with firearms in special circumstances.
 

i'm not surprised by the police response to the protests in the UK.  It doesn't qualify for bringing deadly force into a mostly homogeneous society. 

 

Same thing happens in the US and elsewhere in the world when the protesters and police look alike.

[Pioneer1]

Weird thing is, I don't see a lot of AfroAmericans talking about these riots on social media....although they definitely are race based and highlights the contrast between how the police treat different racial groups in the West.

Why did I immediately pick up on this while it doesn't even seem to be on the radar of most Black journalist and commentators?

 

[ProfD]

The UK riots stem from anti-immigrant sentiment. The white folks are tired of Muslims coming to their country.

 

AfroAmericans don't have any business getting into that UK situation just like the wars in Ukraine and Gaza.

 

AfroAmericans have enough problems here in America. No need to get distracted. We haven't fixed our own house.

[Troy]

On 8/4/2024 at 2:39 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Not even one shot fired.

Because the government dies not let people run around with guns the way they do here.

 

On 8/5/2024 at 8:01 PM, Pioneer1 said:

I don't see a lot of AfroAmericans talking about these riots on social media....

Maybe the algorithm on the platform you use has decided not to feed you this content. Or the people who would comment on this are doing this on other platforms.

 

Viral disinformation spread in social media is what helped fuel these riots.

 

i was not aware of these riots until just now.

 

 

 

[Croocked T]

It’s wild how different the responses are. In the UK, police seem more restrained, while here in the US, the response can be way more intense. It’s hard not to notice the contrast, especially when the scale of the unrest is so similar but the outcomes are so different.

[ProfD]

Police in the US are overly militarized especially in major cities.

 

In fact, US police departments have access to surplus military equipment (weapons, vehicles, tactical gear, etc.).

 

Very few American police officers walk around twirling batons, smiling at citizens and playing with kids.

[Chevdove]

On 8/4/2024 at 2:39 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Something isn't adding up.....

 

That does sound strange. Maybe the media is not reporting everything.

 

 

 

On 8/5/2024 at 8:01 PM, Pioneer1 said:

 

Why did I immediately pick up on this while it doesn't even seem to be on the radar of most Black journalist and commentators?

 

 

Again, maybe it's how the media has reported this incident. Maybe we as Black Americans do not view this, right away, as anything big enough to be rioting about. Nevertheless, I believe this is a big deal and over here, we are going to be dealing with similar conflicts eventually. Our government has an advantage over here. They have mis-educated us Black Americans, and so we do not recognize the inevitable conflict that will probably arise soon. By the time we realize what our government has done, economically, it will be too late to do anything about it. I think history will repeat unless a higher power intervenes.  

On 8/5/2024 at 9:10 PM, ProfD said:

The UK riots stem from anti-immigrant sentiment. The white folks are tired of Muslims coming to their country.

 

AfroAmericans don't have any business getting into that UK situation just like the wars in Ukraine and Gaza.

 

AfroAmericans have enough problems here in America. No need to get distracted. We haven't fixed our own house.

 

Oh wait! That is just it! That is just what I am referring to! Obviously, the citizens of the UK are up in arms about the immigration policy and the Muslims that are allowed to come to their country, but Black Americans have been dumbed down and mis-educated on the outcome of this kind of policy. 

 

African Americans have just voted in Obama twice and now Kamala Harris will probably become president and both of them are pushing an aggressive immigration policy, imo, and this policy will definitely force Black Americans down even farther than we already are economically. Most Black Americans are believing that these leaders are a representation of us and will help us have positive change from this oppressive government, but do not recognize that immigration is going to be the kind of policy that will be more important for immigrants. Right now, there are reports of thousands of Mexican immigrants being welcomed into our communities and probably many more ethnic immigrants are coming too, even from Africa. And Black Americans are being completely marginalized right now for this reason. 

 

The housing policy has changed and many Black Americans are being sidelined in that respect. As a result of housing immigrants, too, this government will have to give them jobs so that they can pay rent so, who do you think will be sidelined when it comes to jobs? Then after the jobs, comes the educational system that has to accommodate immigrants in the classroom, etc. I can't believe that African Americans cannot see this. 

 

[Chevdove]

On 8/8/2024 at 1:42 AM, Troy said:

Viral disinformation spread in social media is what helped fuel these riots.

 

i was not aware of these riots until just now.

 

Oh WOW! But it does seem like some violence has occurred. 

[Pioneer1]

Don't feel too bad, most Black folks I've talked to don't know about the riots.

Just like most Black folks I've talked to didn't know about the murder of our sista Sonya in Illinois.

I'm not surprised at how much our people DON'T know, anymore.

It would seem like race-riots where mobs of angry White men are roaming around attacking Black and Asian people....even though it's in England...would still be HEADLINE NEWS for most AfroAmericans given how close we are politically and culturally to Europe and especially England.

It's the West.

It's on all the major news networks, and Black people in the UK are all over social media crying and begging for help and confused about what's happening.

But in good old U.S.A......DeVonte and Tanesha don't know a thing about it, and probably don't give a damn.

Too busy on the couch playing video games and smoking weed I guess.
 

"Riots in England?
Square bid'ness?
That's where Slick Rick 'n em come from right?"



That is....until they get a knock on THEIR front door.
Then shit starts to get real.

[ProfD]

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It's on all the major news networks, and Black people in the UK are all over social media crying and begging for help and confused about what's happening.

Let the folks in the UK Handle their bizness. They don't put on the cape for AfroAmericans when our people are getting  murdered and brutalized by the police.

[Pioneer1]

8 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Let the folks in the UK Handle their bizness. They don't put on the cape for AfroAmericans when our people are getting  murdered and brutalized by the police.

I've heard them speak out for us and comment on our plight and even hold demonstrations.

I remember back a few years ago when there were major protests going on in the U.S. not only did a lot of Black British take to the streets in protest but  a lot of Black Israelis started hitting the streets and confronting White Israelis over racism in Israel saying they were inspired by Black Americans.

They do what they can.
But can we expect others to come over and do for us what so many of our people aren't even doing for themselves?

Most of these niccaz don't even know what's going on RIGHT HERE in America in their own backyard.

Whether we should get involved in what's going on over there is one thing.
However what's so disappointing is the IGNORANCE of so many of our people of what's going on over there.

It's not that our people simply don't care, but many of them don't even KNOW.
And it's like....how can you NOT know what's being talked about all over the news for the past week?
What are you busy doing?
I know we have to live our lives and pay the bills, however.....what are so many of our people so busy engaged in that basic news seems to escape them and they are clueless as to what is being talked about as major headlines for the past week?



 

But to your point.....

I can't get angry at the Black folks in England or Nigeria or Israel for not putting on the cape and coming over here to help us when most of the niccaz RIGHT HERE in America who are the very victims of racism ain't doing a damn thing to help themselves and are clueless as to what's happening to their own women and children.
 

[ProfD]

19 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

But can we expect others to come over and do for us what so many of our people aren't even doing for themselves?

The murder of George Floyd sparked protests worldwide. Then, everybody took their signs, bottled water and went home. Back to their regularly scheduled program. 

19 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Most of these niccaz don't even know what's going on RIGHT HERE in America in their own backyard.

N8gglets are aware of the problems going on here. They're afraid and powerless.

 

Well off n8gglets don't want to get involved because they have arrived.

19 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I can't get angry at the Black folks in England or Nigeria or Israel for not putting on the cape and coming over here to help us...

From slavery through Civil Rights, I don't recall Black folks from anywhere else on the planet putting on the cape for us. I do see them trying to ride  our coattails when it comes to flavor though. Stealing our music, style, fashion, lingo, etc.

19 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

...when most of the niccaz RIGHT HERE in America who are the very victims of racism ain't doing a damn thing to help themselves and are clueless as to what's happening to their own women and children.

Fear, powerlessness and no leadership. Recipe for stagnation in the system.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

The murder of George Floyd sparked protests worldwide. Then, everybody took their signs, bottled water and went home. Back to their regularly scheduled program. 

 

True.
During the riots of 2020 I remember specifically in places like Kentucky they were actually talking about giving Black people Reparations as a form of appeasment to get them to stop rioting and get off the streets.
We had this society on it's knees ready to give us anything we wanted.
Yet another opportunity squandered when after a few weeks they got quiet and went back to the couch to smoke that fake weed again.

 

 

 

N8gglets are aware of the problems going on here. They're afraid and powerless.

Well off n8gglets don't want to get involved because they have arrived.

 

They also got SENSE.
Which is one of the reasons they are able to live well off in the first place.
They have sense enough to know that if they put themselves out there on the line...most niggaz on the street can't be counted on to back them up.

 

 

 

 

From slavery through Civil Rights, I don't recall Black folks from anywhere else on the planet putting on the cape for us. I do see them trying to ride  our coattails when it comes to flavor though. Stealing our music, style, fashion, lingo, etc.

 

Well....
At the moment, I can't come up with an example myself...lol.
If there ARE any, then it must not be TOO many...lol.

[ProfD]

22 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Yet another opportunity squandered when after a few weeks they got quiet and went back to the couch to smoke that fake weed again.

We already know n8gglets are not going to be major factors in getting things done.

 

It will take Black leadership to become more proactive in getting on code and leading the rest.

 

During the Civil Rights struggle, there was no shortage of n8gglets from the bottom to the boule who thought Malcolm X, Fred Hampton and Dr. MLK jr. were wasting their time fighting for freedom, justice and equality.

 

The poor, ignorant, stupid and uppity n8gglets have always been among us. Black leadership didn't allow them to impede the movement. 

 

In fact, the reason there is very little Black leadership today is because they've figured why bother and/or sold out to the system of racism white supremacy. 

 

Instead, we have old fossils of Black leadership collecting money from white supremacists to maintain the status quo.

 

OTOH, would be younger Black leaders are pushing agendas from different angles whether it's political, religion, FBA/ADOS nationalism or Pan Africanism, etc.

 

Black folks aren't a monolithic group. Therefore, we need all of these leaders to get on code and come up with an agenda that works for the greater good of Black folks.

 

Fake weed smoking and weave/eyelash n8gglets need not apply if they're not serious about becoming active.

[Pioneer1]

One of the first things that must be done....which is pretty basic...is that we have to make it PROFITABLE/BENEFICIAL to fight for our people.

This sounds almost like common sense; but it's not.

In too many cases, people (especially the most articulate and intelligent ones who naturally qualify for leadership) are EXPECTED to be down for our people and not sell-out and fight for justice for no reward or incentive....but just because.
Just because it's the "right" thing to do.

That's not enough, for most young men.
Especially if he knows his worth.

Most young men want wealth and women.
If our community isn't willing to give them that for stepping up as community leaders, then they will go elsewhere for it to those where their talents are more appreciated.

That's just a plain and simple fact.

If 25 year old Andre who is smart, handsome, and never had a criminal record in his life is out there fighting hard everyday to bring awareness to and stop police brutality in the community but he goes to bed lonely every night....yet he sees DeMario who is around the same age, dumb as hell, and is the neighborhood dope slanger getting the respect from the other young men and banging most of the attractive women 
-that's going to make HIM feel a certain way.

How long is Andre going to keep up the fight without any type of incentive or encouragement as a young man?

Especially if the Sistaz he's fighting for won't give him the time of day but wealthy White girls from the suburbs are coming down to attend his, constantly telling him how cute and smart he is and how proud they are that he's speaking truth to power?

 

"Ya know Andre, I'm so nervous talking to you.
It's like a dream come true because me and my sister attend your rallies all the time.
It's so exciting to see a man who is so passionate when speaking his truth.
And...(hee hee giggle giggle)...I personally find it HOT!"


At some point natural urges and common sense WILL kick in.

We have to incentivize our leadership...if we want to keep it.

[ProfD]

50 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

One of the first things that must be done....which is pretty basic...is that we have to make it PROFITABLE/BENEFICIAL to fight for our people.

We have to incentivize our leadership...if we want to keep it.

Definitely have to pay and protect leadership. Nobody should be expected to work for free.

 

Being a leader is attractive. Sistas will get at a brotha who stands tall among men. 

 

Former POTUS Barack Obama would be consider a square in most circles. Yet, he didn't have a problem landing former FLOTUS Michelle Obama before he rose to prominence.

[Pioneer1]

You'd be surprised now a days......

I've seen so many instances where Black men are NOT wanted in leadership positions....by other Black people, especially many Black women.

Why?
Because of what you just said.

It's almost EXPECTED....because it's natural...that a man in leadership position would be considered attractive and would have women throwing themselves at him.
And a lot of sistas instinctively know this and it's for that reason that they DON'T want a Black man in that position because they feel that:

1. Too many White women will be throwing themselves at him

Or
2. They'll have to compete with too many other Black women for him

It's sad, but that's one of the reasons so many of our sistaz are either lonely or have settled for bums and losers in our community.
Many of our sistaz have been raised to focus....not one the accomplishments of a man, but whether or not she can have him all to herself.

 

 

 

 

 

Former POTUS Barack Obama would be consider a square in most circles. Yet, he didn't have a problem landing former FLOTUS Michelle Obama before he rose to prominence

What???
Actually to the contrary.....lol.

I've read in his bio that Barack said he had to ask Michelle out MULTIPLE TIMES before she even agreed to go on a date with him....lol.
 

[ProfD]

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

What???

Actually to the contrary.....lol.

I've read in his bio that Barack said he had to ask Michelle out MULTIPLE TIMES before she even agreed to go on a date with him....lol.

OK. That could be true because again he may have come across being square.

 

So, Michelle broke Barry off with that Hi-Five:

 

I can definitely see her making him put in some work. 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

I miss the RnB of the 80s and 90s.
It looked much more civil and sophisticated compared to the shit out today.

You don't see Black youth dancing and singing like this today.


But now a days, young men have to be careful with playing "hard to get" games with women.
You don't know if she's playing or serious....and the wrong move can land you with a sexual charge.


 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I miss the RnB of the 80s and 90s.
It looked much more civil and sophisticated compared to the shit out today.

You don't see Black youth dancing and singing like this today.

Every generation feels similarly about their most productive time period.

 

Black music constantly evolves. I believe our natural creativity along with environment and technology fuels it.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

But now a days, young men have to be careful with playing "hard to get" games with women.
You don't know if she's playing or serious....and the wrong move can land you with a sexual charge.

Laws have toughened up to keep men from violating women even their own wives,  girlfriends and side pieces.

 

Still, a man knows when a woman really wants him. There's no misunderstanding or confusion. She will tell him and/or take matters into her own hands or elsewhere. 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Every generation feels similarly about their most productive time period.

I beg your pardon, but the 80s and 90s wasn't MY most productive time period...lol.
I've always been productive to various degrees, but actually those decades were the most ignorant and least productive time period of my life.

 

 

Black music constantly evolves. I believe our natural creativity along with environment and technology fuels it.

True.
However things seems to be different since 2000.
Unlike the past when WE controlled our own music, it seems like outsiders have more control over the music AfroAmericans make and listen to today.
 

 

 

Still, a man knows when a woman really wants him. There's no misunderstanding or confusion.

I think you underestimate (George Bush said "mis-under-estimated"...lol) the IGNORANCE and CLUELESSNESS of some of these young dudes out there.
It seems like many of them can't take ANY TYPE of a hint.
Totally clueless as to when a girl is interested...and don't seem to get it when a girl is clearly NOT...lol.

Things are different today than from when we were younger.

I don't know how many dudes have gotten fired from the job because they just wouldn't leave some woman alone who made it plain as day-
....as in telling him to leave her alone
....as in not saying a word to him or even looking at him and keep on doing her work
....as in telling him she's going to TELL MANAGEMENT IF HE DOESN'T LEAVE HER ALONE
-that she wasn't interested in him.

Some of these niggas just didn't have a clue or simply didn't care.
 

[ProfD]

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I beg your pardon, but the 80s and 90s wasn't MY most productive time period...lol.

I've always been productive to various degrees, but actually those decades were the most ignorant and least productive time period of my life.

Gotcha. I was mainly referring to the 1980s/1990s from a music listening perspective.

 

Most people gravitate towards the music they listened to during their teen through young adulthood. 

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

However things seems to be different since 2000.

Case in point. Music made in the 2000s didn't necessarily cater to folks from the previous generations. 

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Unlike the past when WE controlled our own music, it seems like outsiders have more control over the music AfroAmericans make and listen to today.

We only controlled our music and anything else we produce up until the point when the dominant society sees that its profitable.

 

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I think you underestimate (George Bush said "mis-under-estimated"...lol) the IGNORANCE and CLUELESSNESS of some of these young dudes out there.

Young dudes do not have a monopoly on that type of behavior. There are old fools are doing the same thing.

 

The laws protecting women from harassment weren't created a few years ago. They've been around for several decades.

[Pioneer1]

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

Young dudes do not have a monopoly on that type of behavior. There are old fools are doing the same thing.

Some.
Very few.

But some of these young cats under 30...I'm seeing them do shit we just instinctively knew not to do.
Like run up and talk to a woman you SEE another man is kicking it with.

I've seen that so many times it's ridiculous.

You see my man got her up against the wall, all up in her face, and she's grinning and blushing away....and you still run up in her face....IGNORING THE DUDE TWICE YOUR SIZE...and try to have a conversation with her like he's not even there.

What do you think somebody like THAT is going to do with their Reparations check????  

[ProfD]

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But some of these young cats under 30...I'm seeing them do shit we just instinctively knew not to do.
Like run up and talk to a woman you SEE another man is kicking it with.

That definitely wouldn't happen around here without consequences. Somebody's manhood would be in the dirt.

 

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

What do you think somebody like THAT is going to do with their Reparations check????  

Most folks are going to spend the money and give back to white folks and others.

 

We have to create enough of economic infrastructure and financial education that encourages vertical integration among Black folks.