Degrees of Blackness?

[Pioneer1]

frankster

 

 

The ideology of Race It can only Categorize as  Social Construct  used to achieve political and economic goal and agendas......

 

Ok.
So if those are the cards we're dealt, why not use them to OUR benefit?

 

 

The Supreme Being is Nature

 

I disagree.

I believe The SUPREME BEING Created Nature, therefor is BEYOND Nature itself.

 

 

 

It then begs the question what is using the Mind

 

The Divine.

[frankster]

22 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

The ideology of Race It can only Categorize as  Social Construct  used to achieve political and economic goal and agendas......

 

Ok.
So if those are the cards we're dealt, why not use them to OUR benefit?

Social Constructs are ideas that we agree to and as such sometimes is not beneficial to all.

The Social Construct that is Race is primary support for Racism.

When carried to its extremes you end up with Chattel Slavery and the Nazi Holocaust of the Jews

The quest for purity usually end up with genetic diseases or malformed offspring.

 

 

22 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The Supreme Being is Nature

 

I disagree.

I believe The SUPREME BEING Created Nature, therefor is BEYOND Nature itself.

Then we will just have to disagree on that...

No matter how high low or sidesway near or far this reality or another spiritual mental or other....... you will find Nature there

 

22 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It then begs the question what is using the Mind

 

The Divine.

The Divine like all Beings is a Force or a Part in and of Nature....

 

 

[Pioneer1]

frankster

 

 

The Social Construct that is Race is primary support for Racism.

When carried to its extremes you end up with Chattel Slavery and the Nazi Holocaust of the Jews

 

I agree.
The key word in your statement is "extremes".

If you take BATHING to the extreme you'll end up with very dry skin and rashes and other problems.

 

We don't want to focus on extremes, but on moderate sensible ways of organizing society in a way that benefits US as a people and helps us identify our own.

 

 

 

Then we will just have to disagree on that...

 

Yes we will, because there is no way I will agree with you that The CREATOR of Nature is somehow confined to dwelling within the limits of Nature.
 

[frankster]

33 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

 

 

The Social Construct that is Race is primary support for Racism.

When carried to its extremes you end up with Chattel Slavery and the Nazi Holocaust of the Jews

 

I agree.
The key word in your statement is "extremes".

If you take BATHING to the extreme you'll end up with very dry skin and rashes and other problems.

 

We don't want to focus on extremes, but on moderate sensible ways of organizing society in a way that benefits US as a people and helps us identify our own.

Race was constructed as a justification for racism.

 

33 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Then we will just have to disagree on that...

 

Yes we will, because there is no way I will agree with you that The CREATOR of Nature is somehow confined to dwelling within the limits of Nature.

Show me where Nature is not?

[Pioneer1]

6 hours ago, frankster said:

Race was constructed as a justification for racism.

 

Show me where Nature is not?

Race....among other things...was USED as a justification for racism, but I don't believe it was constructed as such.
No more than I believe the difference between the sexes was "constructed" to justify sexism and chauvinism.

As far as showing you where nature is NOT....Dreams.

[frankster]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Race....among other things...was USED as a justification for racism, but I don't believe it was constructed as such.
No more than I believe the difference between the sexes was "constructed" to justify sexism and chauvinism.

Ideologies can be Based on Biology or Social Constructs...Ideas based on Ideas

Sex is based in Biology...it is not a Social Construct or Social Creation.

Sexism and Chauvism are not biologically based .... They are Social Constructs - ideologies.

Both Race and Racism are Socially Constructed

Racism and Sexism is about the Ideas that differences percieved must be placed in a hierarchical lineage of Social Domain

In Other words using real and or imagine differences to divide and oppress....

Obese individuals present differently from their siblings of the same family who are slim....are they then of a different Race?

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

As far as showing you where nature is NOT....Dreams.

Are you in your dream or is there content in your dream....then Nature is there

[Pioneer1]

frankster

Both RACE and SEX are social constructs based on phenotype (biology).
Just like people of a certain phenotypical set of traits are assigned to a certain sex....people of a certain phenotypical set of traits are assigned to a certain race.

Just like a penis is tangible...dark brown skin is also tangible.
It's not a "social construct".

 

 

Are you in your dream or is there content in your dream....then Nature is there.

 

The problem with attempting to discuss this with you is your belief that nature encompasses "everything".

[frankster]

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

Both RACE and SEX are social constructs based on phenotype (biology).
Just like people of a certain phenotypical set of traits are assigned to a certain sex....people of a certain phenotypical set of traits are assigned to a certain race.

Racist have been saying that for decades but all their socalled scientific evidence to support that claim has been shown to be false.

Race is pure and simple a socio-political construct develop by racist to oppress a certain set of people...

Just because I am slim and my sibling is fat doesn't mean we are of different races....

Jane Elliott created a new race based on eye color alone...And demonstrated how racism develop

 

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Just like a penis is tangible...dark brown skin is also tangible.
It's not a "social construct".

Make it make sense please???

 

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Are you in your dream or is there content in your dream....then Nature is there.

 

The problem with attempting to discuss this with you is your belief that nature encompasses "everything".

True ...so lets move on to forces with in Nature and in the Human Mind Body and Spirit....and how they can and do interact.

[Pioneer1]

frankster

 

 

Just because I am slim and my sibling is fat doesn't mean we are of different races....

 

You're mixing apples and potatoes.

First of all, I said a SET of phenotypical differences....not just one or two.

Second, being slim and being fat has less to do with PHENOTYPE and more to do with DIET and LIFESTYLE.

Slim and fat is only phenotypical if there is a GENETIC cause for the proportional difference.
If it's dietary...it's not considered phenotypical.


 

 

Make it make sense please???
 

I don't have to make it, it already does...lol.

Sometimes it's not the DELIVERY that's the problem....but who it's ADDRESSED to...lol.



 

True ...so lets move on to forces with in Nature and in the Human Mind Body and Spirit....and how they can and do interact.
 

According to you, they are all one in the same....so how can we?
 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Make it make sense please???
 

I don't have to make it, it already does...lol.

Sometimes it's not the DELIVERY that's the problem....but who it's ADDRESSED to...lol.

This is hilarious.

 

Back to your regularly scheduled debate/discussion.

[frankster]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

 

 

Just because I am slim and my sibling is fat doesn't mean we are of different races....

 

You're mixing apples and potatoes.

First of all, I said a SET of phenotypical differences....not just one or two.

Second, being slim and being fat has less to do with PHENOTYPE and more to do with DIET and LIFESTYLE.

Slim and fat is only phenotypical if there is a GENETIC cause for the proportional difference.
If it's dietary...it's not considered phenotypical.

Diet and Climate has a lot to do with phenotype

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

Make it make sense please???
 

I don't have to make it, it already does...lol.

Sometimes it's not the DELIVERY that's the problem....but who it's ADDRESSED to...lol.

Please explain relevance..... "Just like a penis is tangible...dark brown skin is also tangible." ??

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

True ...so lets move on to forces with in Nature and in the Human Mind Body and Spirit....and how they can and do interact.
 

According to you, they are all one in the same....so how can we?

Nature is all..... yet still there is much Variety and Diversity 

From Oneness comes.....Infinite Possibilities

[Pioneer1]

frankster

 

 

Diet and Climate has a lot to do with phenotype

 

Not when it comes to race based phenotypes like skin color, hair texture, hair color, and nose shape.

 

 

 

Please explain relevance..... "Just like a penis is tangible...dark brown skin is also tangible." ??
 

A penis and skin are TANGIBLE objects that can not only be seen but felt (  ).
So they're not mere "social constructs" but biological facts.

 

 

 

Nature is all..... yet still there is much Variety and Diversity 

 

I know you BELIEVE that Nature is all.
My question for you is/was when you said,
"forces with in Nature and in the Human Mind Body and Spirit....and how they can and do interact."

 

This seems to infer that you saw the forces within the Human Mind, Body, and Spirit as DIFFERENT than the forces within Nature.

Perhaps I misunderstood your statement, though.

[frankster]

On 9/14/2024 at 7:39 AM, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

 

 

Diet and Climate has a lot to do with phenotype

 

Not when it comes to race based phenotypes like skin color, hair texture, hair color, and nose shape.

We have been through this already

 

On 9/14/2024 at 7:39 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Please explain relevance..... "Just like a penis is tangible...dark brown skin is also tangible." ??
 

A penis and skin are TANGIBLE objects that can not only be seen but felt (  ).
So they're not mere "social constructs" but biological facts.

To Apprehend Color one must use Visual perception/sense of sight/seeing....while to recognize  Tangibility one must use the sense of Touch....

So if I was to blindfold you....all other things being equal except for color - you would be able to tell whether is was a black skin penis or white skin penis you were touching?

Please explain?

 

On 9/14/2024 at 7:39 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Nature is all..... yet still there is much Variety and Diversity 

 

I know you BELIEVE that Nature is all.
My question for you is/was when you said,
"forces with in Nature and in the Human Mind Body and Spirit....and how they can and do interact."

 

This seems to infer that you saw the forces within the Human Mind, Body, and Spirit as DIFFERENT than the forces within Nature.

Perhaps I misunderstood your statement, though.

Yes....but not  a diference in Kind but -  one of Degree..

All the Forces in the Human Body Can be found In Nature....or its Correspondent

[Pioneer1]

frankster

 

 

We have been through this already

 

I know, but some people are slow learners...lol.

 

 

 

 

while to recognize  Tangibility one must use the sense of Touch...

 

Not necessarily.
You don't have to "touch" hot coals to recognize they are tangible objects.

 

 

 

So if I was to blindfold you....all other things being equal except for color - you would be able to tell whether is was a black skin penis or white skin penis you were touching?

 

Absolutely!
 

...'cuz MY penis is black, and that's the ONLY penis I'd ever touch, lol.

[frankster]

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

 

 

We have been through this already

 

I know, but some people are slow learners...lol.

I agree

 

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

while to recognize  Tangibility one must use the sense of Touch...

 

Not necessarily.
You don't have to "touch" hot coals to recognize they are tangible objects.

really....looks can be deceiving.

 

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

So if I was to blindfold you....all other things being equal except for color - you would be able to tell whether is was a black skin penis or white skin penis you were touching?

 

Absolutely!
 

...'cuz MY penis is black, and that's the ONLY penis I'd ever touch, lol.

The question is can tell 0r differentiate color by touch only?

 

[Pioneer1]

 

frankster

 

really....looks can be deceiving

The Cambridge Dictionary defines TANGIBLE as the following............

 

tangible

adjective

 

Add to word list 

C2

real and not imaginary; able to be shown, touched, or experienced

 

TANGIBLE | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary

 

 

This means, if you're ABLE to touch it....not that you have to....but if you are ABLE to see it and ABLE to touch it...it's tangible.
 

 

 

The question is can tell 0r differentiate color by touch only?

Some people can.
Every color has it's own vibration or frequency, and those who are sensitive enough can tell the color of something simply by touching it or even LISTENING to it!
 

[frankster]

17 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

frankster

 

really....looks can be deceiving

The Cambridge Dictionary defines TANGIBLE as the following............

 

tangible

adjective

 

Add to word list 

C2

real and not imaginary; able to be shown, touched, or experienced

 

TANGIBLE | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary

 

 

This means, if you're ABLE to touch it....not that you have to....but if you are ABLE to see it and ABLE to touch it...it's tangible.

The question is can tell 0r differentiate color by touch only?

Some people can.
Every color has it's own vibration or frequency, and those who are sensitive enough can tell the color of something simply by touching it or even LISTENING to it!
 

One can see a rainbow....but one cannot touch a rainbow

Yes.... Every color has its vibration and frequency.

It is tangible because you can touch it or feel it...with your skin.

The organ that discern color is your eyes....not  your skin.

It is said Some people walk on water....

The thing is can you feel color?

 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

On 9/23/2024 at 2:04 AM, frankster said:

One can see a rainbow....but one cannot touch a rainbow

Yes.... Every color has its vibration and frequency.

It is tangible because you can touch it or feel it...with your skin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once again, the definition of TANGIBLE........
tangible

real and not imaginary; able to be shown, touched, or experienced

 

Are Rainbows REAL....or are people simply "imagining" them when they seem to appear in the sky?

Can Rainbows be SHOWN.....or can you only read about them in some sci-fi magazine?

[frankster]

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

 

Once again, the definition of TANGIBLE........
tangible

real and not imaginary; able to be shown, touched, or experienced

 

Are Rainbows REAL....or are people simply "imagining" them when they seem to appear in the sky?

Can Rainbows be SHOWN.....or can you only read about them in some sci-fi magazine?

I have seen Rainbows.....so yes they can be shown ..

Rainbows are not tangible....just like colors

[Pioneer1]

On 9/25/2024 at 12:31 PM, frankster said:

I have seen Rainbows.....so yes they can be shown ..

Rainbows are not tangible....just like colors

If they can be shown...they are tangible; according to the definition I just provided for you.

You can continue to ignore it all you want....but the facts are the facts,lol.

[frankster]

On 9/28/2024 at 8:26 AM, Pioneer1 said:

If they can be shown...they are tangible; according to the definition I just provided for you.

The definition given assumes you understand that the word "or" is every where you see comma.......if they had used the word "and" then you would be correct.

real and not imaginary; able to be shown, touched, or experienced

Rainbows are real and not imaginary....so they can be shown or seen

Rainbows are not physical so they cannot be touched...

 

It may help if you find the definition of tangible in its noun form

 

On 9/28/2024 at 8:26 AM, Pioneer1 said:

You can continue to ignore it all you want....but the facts are the facts,lol.

It is that bad....one cannot discern color by touch - color is intangible

[Pioneer1]

On 9/30/2024 at 2:19 AM, frankster said:

The definition given assumes you understand that the word "or" is every where you see comma.......if they had used the word "and" then you would be correct.

real and not imaginary; able to be shown, touched, or experienced

 

Yes.
Thank you for helping me to make MY point...lol.

Since you understand this, why is it so hard for you to understand that "able to be shown" qualifies a thing to be considered TANGIBLE?

You don't have to actually touch it...if you're able to SEE it...then it's also considered tangible.

Actually.....the definition before it qualifies ANYTHING that is real and not imaginary as tangible.

[frankster]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Yes.
Thank you for helping me to make MY point...lol.

Always willing to help.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Since you understand this, why is it so hard for you to understand that "able to be shown" qualifies a thing to be considered TANGIBLE?

Tagible as in real and not imaginary....

But Not Tangible as in touch...

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

You don't have to actually touch it...if you're able to SEE it...then it's also considered tangible.

I have made that distinction from the start....that you cannot discern color by touch...

Now you trying to conflate it will realness...

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Actually.....the definition before it qualifies ANYTHING that is real and not imaginary as tangible.

Yes but can one but can one discern color....rainbows are real can you touch it???

 

1

a

: capable of being perceived especially by the sense of touch : palpable

b

: substantially real : material

 

2

: capable of being precisely identified or realized by the mind

her grief was tangible

 

 

3

: capable of being appraised at an actual or approximate value

tangible assets

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tangible#:~:text=%3A capable of being perceived especially,or realized by the mind

[Pioneer1]

34 minutes ago, frankster said:

Always willing to help.

 

Tagible as in real and not imaginary....

But Not Tangible as in touch...

 

Since you're willing to help, then help YOURSELF by accepting the first definition of tangible being that which is REAL and not imaginary.

...then apply THAT definition to a penis OR a rainbow (your choice...lol) since both of those objects are real and not made up.

[frankster]

8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Since you're willing to help, then help YOURSELF by accepting the first definition of tangible being that which is REAL and not imaginary.

I already accept that....shown means to see -I never had a problem with that.

We as in every one with normal sight can see color....color is intangible - but visible

 

8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

...then apply THAT definition to a penis OR a rainbow (your choice...lol) since both of those objects are real and not made up.

My problem is that neirher you or I and most people cannot discern color be touch.....

You cannot touch a rainbow...but you can see a rainbow....you can both touch and see a penis - but you cannot determine the color of a penis by touch alone.

So the question is could you tell the color of a penis thats not your own by touch?

[Pioneer1]

frankster

 

 

...color is intangible - but visible

 

You just contradicted yourself based on the definition of "tangible".

You said color is "intangible" but still "visible".

You obviously don't UNDERSTAND the definition you just read, or simply don't accept it.

 

My problem is that neirher you or I and most people cannot discern color be touch.....

 

Nah, that ain't YOUR problem....you got ANOTHER problem...lol.
 

It's called COMPREHENSION
You clearly have a hard time understanding what you read.


 

So the question is could you tell the color of a penis thats not your own by touch?
 

I'm not sure.
Why don't YOU try it first and then tell me....lol.

 

[Troy]

Allow me @frankster;, @Pioneer1 colors, rainbows and grief are not NOT tangible.  

 

"her grief was tangible" is a metaphor. It is the same as saying, "Pioneer I was gripped by fear."  You can't be gripped by fear. Fear remains intangible.

 

Get it now?

[Pioneer1]

Troy

 

Allow me @frankster;, @Pioneer1 colors, rainbows and grief are not NOT tangible.  
 

Ohhh...so NOW you want to involve yourself in the debates???

 

In the other thread where frankster is defending the Bible and claiming it doesn't support slavery when it clearly does...you're as quiet as a church mouse peeing on a cotton ball.

...but NOW, you want to "chime in".

 

Well mah brutha.....lol...if that's the case then you can get the SAME WORK I've been giving him!

For starters, as I've shown already....."tangible" doesn't have only ONE definition but MULTIPLE definitions.

 

Merriam-Webster Dictionary definition:
 

Quote

 

tangible
1 of 2
adjective
1
a
: capable of being perceived especially by the sense of touch : palpable
b
: substantially real : material
2
: capable of being precisely identified or realized by the mind
her grief was tangible
3
: capable of being appraised at an actual or approximate value
tangible assets

Tangible Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

 

 

Cambridge Dictionary Definition:

Quote

 

tangible
adjective

us 

 /ˈtæn.dʒə.bəl/ uk 

 /ˈtæn.dʒə.bəl/

Add to word list 
C2
real and not imaginary; able to be shown, touched, or experienced:

We need tangible evidence if we're going to take legal action.
Other tangible benefits include an increase in salary and shorter working hours.

 

TANGIBLE | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary

 

 

So not only can a rainbow or anything else that is REAL and can be SEEN -be tangible, but if you really want to take it there...even CONCEPTS like fear....if clearly conceptualized...can also be tangible depending on which of the MUTIPLE definitions one is using for that word.

I've explained this umpteen times and even provided the definitions, but for some reason he (and apparently you) aren't fond of reading the sources I provide.


 

Get it now?
 

I BEEN had it...now YOU need to get it...lol.
Infact, you need to hurry up and MOVE IT.....out of Florida before MILTON comes this week.

...or you'll FIND OUT how strong of a grip "fear" can have on you and how TANGIBLE can be!

Don't play around with Mother Nature.

 

[Pioneer1]

Pioneer dealing with Troy and frankster


 

 

[Troy]

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

In the other thread where frankster is defending the Bible and claiming it doesn't support slavery when it clearly does...

@Pioneer1 your incorrigibleness is so profound it is tangible. 
 

i don’t know enough about the Bible to agree about it’s claims. Explaining the definition of a single word compared with arguing over the meaning of the Bible too very completely different things. That’s apples and oranges man.
 

Seems to me anything is tangible to you, rendering the word intangible meaningless. 
 

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

you need to hurry up and MOVE IT.....out of Florida before MILTON comes this week.

Why you trying to jinx me?

[Pioneer1]

10 hours ago, Troy said:

@Pioneer1 your incorrigibleness is so profound it is tangible. 
 

i don’t know enough about the Bible to agree about it’s claims. Explaining the definition of a single word compared with arguing over the meaning of the Bible too very completely different things. That’s apples and oranges man.
 

Seems to me anything is tangible to you, rendering the word intangible meaningless. 
 

Why you trying to jinx me?

Not trying to jinx you....just looking out for my brutha and his little girl.

You don't have to be a Biblical scholar to recognize that the Bible CLEARLY not only condones but supports slavery based on the verses that I posted.
It's a no-brainer.

It's like saying you don't know enough about Hiphop to comment on whether or not Gangsta Rap encourages violence...lol.
 

[Troy]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

the Bible CLEARLY not only condones but supports slavery

There are many people who know far more about the Bible than I do who would disagree with you.
 

Clearly, the Bible was used to justify American slavery. But there are those who say that the Bible was perverted to justify the enslavement of Africans. if anything I would tend to agree with the latter.

 

i often struggle with your analogies as they are often apples and oranges. Comparing the Bible a work that is thousands of years old and the foundation of a religion followed  by billions of people renders a genre of music less than 40 years old insignificant in comparison

 

I do however know about hip-hop than I do the Bible, I don’t think gangster rap, encourages violence. I think it glorifies it and maybe normalizes it, but I’m not convinced that it would take otherwise nonviolent individuals and make them violent. I’ve listened to gangster rap since it was invented and it’s never moved me, or anyone I know, to violence. 
 

But I don’t really know. If you can cite a study that shows gangster, rap, causes violence, I’d be willing to check it out.

[frankster]

On 10/6/2024 at 8:18 AM, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

 

 

...color is intangible - but visible

 

You just contradicted yourself based on the definition of "tangible".

You said color is "intangible" but still "visible".

You obviously don't UNDERSTAND the definition you just read, or simply don't accept it.

No it is Not contradictory.....based on my use and understanding of the word Tangible and the way and context in which I used it in this thread.

Yes One can see color  so it is visible.....but you can recognize color by touch.

 

 

On 10/6/2024 at 8:18 AM, Pioneer1 said:

 

My problem is that neirher you or I and most people cannot discern color be touch.....

 

Nah, that ain't YOUR problem....you got ANOTHER problem...lol.
 

It's called COMPREHENSION
You clearly have a hard time understanding what you read.

You are entitle to your opinion..

I have used the word touch to demonstrate what context ....you trying to conflate will not change the fact that you cannot tell color by touch - be it your penis or some one else

And I have clearly shown another dictionary definition which states :- capable of being perceived especially by the sense of touch

 

 

On 10/6/2024 at 8:18 AM, Pioneer1 said:

So the question is could you tell the color of a penis thats not your own by touch?
 

I'm not sure.
Why don't YOU try it first and then tell me....lol.

I already know the answer....I cant

[tipsyturv]

interesting conversation. i appreciate everyone's insight. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

On 10/7/2024 at 11:32 PM, Troy said:

 

But I don’t really know. If you can cite a study that shows gangster, rap, causes violence, I’d be willing to check it out.

Despite so many young rappers.... "lil this" and "young that"...being killed lately over rap battles and beefs, you still need a "study" to determine this?
 
Since you're not sure if rap music causes violence, how about I let an intelligent and degreed Black man whom I respect and I'm sure you do too as you probably already know who he is and probably even MET him a few times in New York -give his opinion on the matter....especially at the 57 minute mark:
 

 

 

Our brother Reverend Conrad Tillard...formerly known as Conrad Muhammad the "Hiphop Minister" out of New York, certainly believes that certain forms of Rap is responsible for the deaths and incarceration of a lot of our brothers.

 

[ProfD]

W

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Despite so many young rappers.... "lil this" and "young that"...being killed lately over rap battles and beefs, you still need a "study" to determine this?

IMO, Rap music is being used as a scapegoat for violence in the Black community.

 

N8gglets ramped up killing each other back in the 1980s during the Crack epidemic. I was there. I saw it with my own eyes. 

 

Murder rates in major Black cities went through the roof as drug dealers and gangs settled their differences with guns.

 

At the same time, a generation of Black folks were born who some among them have little or no regard for human life. 

 

These overly emotional, b8tch azz n8gglets don't need music to kill each other. They beef over dumb sh8t. They don't know how to fist-fight.

 

To these n8gglets, losing a fight and living to see another day is more embarrassing especially on social media than being unalived i.e. killed.

 

Rap music has been the CNN for what goes on in the streets. It's not the motivation. N8gglets been killing each other for 4 decades and counting.

 

[Pioneer1]

 

ProfD

 

IMO, Rap music is being used as a scapegoat for violence in the Black community.

 

That's like saying gats are a scapegoat for violence in America or in the world as people have been killing each other for thousands of years.

 

While this is true, gats have INCREASED the violence many fold by making it that much easier for the killing to take place.

Violence and beefs have existed in the AfroAmerican community since slavery....long before Rap music.
However Rap music....specifically Gangsta Rap and Drill Rap...has GLORIFIED the self-hatred and violence and made it "cool" and attractive in a way that encourages more easily influenced youth to engage in it.

 

It's not the ONLY factor obviously, but it's a major one.

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

ProfD

 

IMO, Rap music is being used as a scapegoat for violence in the Black community.

 

That's like saying gats are a scapegoat for violence in America or in the world as people have been killing each other for thousands of years.

Guns don't kill people by themselves. 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

While this is true, gats have INCREASED the violence many fold by making it that much easier for the killing to take place.

Guns make it easier to kill. 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

However Rap music....specifically Gangsta Rap and Drill Rap...has GLORIFIED the self-hatred and violence and made it "cool" and attractive in a way that encourages more easily influenced youth to engage in it.

Movies glorify violence too.

 

We can remove guns and turn off all music and movies with violence.

 

Still, there is a mentality that makes it easier for people to kill each other. That's the problem needing to be fixed.

[Laydee Gaga]

On 8/11/2024 at 1:11 PM, Pioneer1 said:

@frankster  I'm not sure why you would find the concept of "degrees of Blackness" so much more divisive.
It's not like AfroAmerica hasn't ALREADY been divided since it's inception by degrees of Blackness.

Most mixed and light skinned people have historically enjoyed privileges that the majority of our people weren't privy to, whether they asked for those privileges or not.

In the past most mixed and light skinned people saw themselves not only as different than other AfroAmericans but in many ways BETTER than other AfroAmericans.
Today this isn't so much the case AS MUCH as it was in the past...but it's still there in many circles.

Infact, many AfroAmericans THEMSELVES often hold mixed and very light skinned people in higher esteem, especially when it comes to looks and sexual attraction.
How many dark and brown skinned brothaz can be found chasing after the closest redbone in the vicinity?
Even back in elementary school (I'm talking 1st and 2nd grade even) I can remember light skinned girls had their own little clique because so many boys were slobbering over them and treating them special.
How many parents can be found favoring their lighter skinned and mixed children?


To say that drawing clear lines of demarcation between Black people and non-Black people will only further divide the Black community is like saying identifying and separating illegal immigrants from Americans will only further divide America.

Uh...duhhh...they AREN'T Americans in the first place, so it doesn't divide America.

Likewise, identifying who IS and who ISN'T Black doesn't divide the Black community but actually strengthens it because you no longer have "questionable" people posing as Black in our ranks ready to "code switch" and identify with whatever is convenient at the time.

 

The divisions are already there.
Perhaps as AfroAmericans we should take the reins in OUR hands and decide for ourselves along what lines our community will be divided and categorized by.
 

 

 

I agree.  

 

I hate to say it but Black people are a very surface level people so its not hard to figure out the reason for all the anger and the violence. I have always said the cause boils down to this one thing and that it, black people think other black people are "black and ugly". This is the cause of tribalism, disapora wars, gang violence, all the name calling etc. 

 

Even counter racist when I used to follow that group (I stopped once I realized they were grifting) hate black people with a vengeance. They treat Neely Fuller like he is the messiah but I understand why since hes a white man with black ancestry that calls himself black because someone else called him black as an insult once. He pretty much lives as a white man and out lived everyone else. The people that follow counter racist science dont allow any conversation beyond what neely fuller said, they just keep repeating what he says as a response. I believe this is because if any dialogue that occurs and exposes the flaws of counter racist science, black people would be stuck with all the black and ugly people which is what they dont want. I have spoken about this with others who used to follow NFJ in 2010. For this reason, i need to know a black persons intentions before I let them in my group so to speak. The most prolific counter racist were either gay with a fetish for non black men or had children with white people and now have fully white grandchildren (hint hint). 

 

The only way to fix this is to become very wealthy and start discriminating meaning like white people, avoid blacks who have a white or non black spouse, dont compliment their children, withhold information from them and dont come to their rescue. Its easier to whitelist people vs blacklist them. 

 

It may be too late though. 

[Troy]

On 10/13/2024 at 9:14 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Despite so many young rappers.... "lil this" and "young that"...being killed lately over rap battles and beefs, you still need a "study" to determine this

yes, otherwise it’s just you talking. Gangster rap has been around 40 years. Negros have been killing each other for a lot longer than that.
 

On 10/13/2024 at 9:14 AM, Pioneer1 said:

he is and probably even MET him a few times in New York

Yeah, I have crossed paths with the brother — very charismatic. But again, this is just another brother talking. People can say anything.
 

I’m more client to agree with the good @ProfD I want this one. l don’t know anybody who was killed because the killer just listened to an N.W.A. record, but I do know plenty of dues who got hurt over drugs.

 

On 10/16/2024 at 3:32 PM, Laydee Gaga said:

It may be too late though. 

Yeah, that horse left the barn a long time ago. 

[Pioneer1]

14 hours ago, Troy said:

yes, otherwise it’s just you talking. Gangster rap has been around 40 years. Negros have been killing each other for a lot longer than that.
 

Yeah, I have crossed paths with the brother — very charismatic. But again, this is just another brother talking. People can say anything.
 

I’m more client to agree with the good @ProfD I want this one. l don’t know anybody who was killed because the killer just listened to an N.W.A. record, but I do know plenty of dues who got hurt over drugs.

 

I guess we shouldn't count one of the most famous murders in Hiphop history....Tupac Shakur?

I guess that Eastcoast Westcoast beef had nothing to do with Rap music, huh????

I guess brutha Pac was just a victim of some "drug deal" gone bad, huh????


There is an entire LIST of rappers who have been killed because of rap beefs alone, let alone the non-famous people on the street who have been killed as a result of their influence. 

[ProfD]

32 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I guess we shouldn't count one of the most famous murders in Hiphop history....Tupac Shakur?

Tupac's murder wasn't the result of Rap music.  There are a few theories about why he was killed.  Music wasn't it.

 

32 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I guess that Eastcoast Westcoast beef had nothing to do with Rap music, huh????

Music didn't start the beef.  Envy, greed and jealousy.

32 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I guess brutha Pac was just a victim of some "drug deal" gone bad, huh????

One of the theories for Pac being killed was his desire to leave Death Row records.  A *deal* gone bad.

32 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

There is an entire LIST of rappers who have been killed because of rap beefs alone, let alone the non-famous people on the street who have been killed as a result of their influence. 

Again, the music isn't fueling these beefs. 

 

N8gglets are being killed or killing each other over the same dumb sh8t (envy, greed, jealousy, etc.).

[Troy]

@ProfD @Pioneer1 is grasping for straws.

 

just because a gangster rapper is killed doesn’t mean that the killer was motivated or inspired to do it because they were listening to  gangster rap music. 

 

 

[ProfD]

 

30 minutes ago, Troy said:

 @Pioneer1 is grasping for straws.

Brotha @Pioneer1 is becoming an old man.

 

Reminds me of the senior citizens who believe young people are going to h8ll in a handbasket due to smoking weed and listening to music. Somehow, those activities lead them to dysfunctional in behavior and violence and murder.

 

Despite having dysfunctional people among their peers, every generation has folks in it who blame and criticize the next generation for one thing or another. It's a cycle.

[Troy]

Yeah but @Pioneer1 is too young to be thinking that way…

 

I’m a boomer my kids tail end of the millennials and Gen Z have a lot of shit  to deal with, shut we handed them. Even if everything pioneer says is true we can help rather than complain about them.

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, Troy said:

Yeah but @Pioneer1 is too young to be thinking that way…

Brotha Pioneer1 is generation X. They're taking their turn to complain about the younger folks.

4 hours ago, Troy said:

...millennials and Gen Z have a lot of shit  to deal with, shut we handed them. Even if everything pioneer says is true we can help rather than complain about them.

I agree but they will figure it out just like the previous generations.

 

In fact, these younger folks give such a f8ck less about everything...they might have more courage in overthrowing the system of racism white supremacy.

[Pioneer1]

15 hours ago, Troy said:

Yeah but @Pioneer1 is too young to be thinking that way…

 

You're never too young....or too old...to think correctly.

[Pioneer1]

 

[ProfD]

The Smart Guy Is correct in his assessment of how music is cultivated, marketed and distributed. 

 

It doesn't negate the fact that n8gglets were doing the same dysfunctional sh8t before the music became trashy.

[Troy]

17 hours ago, ProfD said:

It doesn't negate the fact that n8gglets were doing the same dysfunctional sh8t before the music became trashy.

 

Exactly.

 

However, that is not to say the trashy music does not have an adverse impact.  Clearly, it reinforces the all the negative stereotypes of Black people.