They Should Have Convinced and Ran With Michelle

[Pioneer1]

Only Michelle Obama bests Trump as an alternative to Biden in 2024

The latest Reuters/Ipsos poll finds that about one-third of Democrats say Biden should drop out of the presidential race after the debate

2 July 2024

Washington, DC, July 2, 2024—Following the first 2024 presidential debate, President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump remain in dead heat for November’s election. In hypothetical matchups with Democratic candidates other than Biden, former first lady Michelle Obama is the only hypothetical candidate to definitively defeat Trump in this poll. Michelle Obama also tops the charts in favorability among registered voters, with Trump and Biden trailing her by more than 10 percentage points each. When asked whether Trump or Biden should drop out of the race following the debate, nearly three in five agree for Biden and just under half say the same about Trump.

 

 

Detailed Findings

1. After the debate, Trump and Biden remain tied among registered voters for the November presidential election. In other hypothetical Democratic matchups against Trump, only Michelle Obama bests Trump among registered voters.

• When asked who they would vote for in the November presidential election, 40% of registered voters say Biden and 40% say Trump. This tie between candidates is consistent from late May 2024 when 41% said Biden and 39% said Trump.
• When asked about hypothetical Democratic candidate matches against Trump, 50% of registered voters say they would vote for Michelle Obama, and just 39% say they would vote for Trump.
• All other hypothetical Democratic candidates either perform similarly to or worse than Biden against Trump. Vice President Kamala Harris hypothetically wins 42% of registered voters to Trump’s 43%. California Governor Gavin Newsom hypothetically wins 39% of registered voters to Trump’s 42%. All other hypothetical Democratic candidates earn between 34% to 39% of potential votes among registered voters.

2. Most registered voters have unfavorable opinions of Biden or Trump. Again, only Michelle Obama receives majority favorability among registered voters. Other potential candidates, aside from Vice President Kamala Harris, have lower favorability ratings but also lower name recognition.

• Forty-two percent of registered voters say they have a favorable opinion of Trump, and 38% say the same about Biden. About three in five say they have unfavorable opinions of Trump (56%) or Biden (60%).
• Comparatively, more registered voters, 55%, say they have a favorable opinion of Michelle Obama. Kamala Harris’ favorability generally falls in line with Trump and Biden, as 40% of registered voters say they have a favorable opinion of her.
• Other hypothetical Democratic candidates—California Governor Gavin Newsom, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear, and Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker—have significantly lower favorability ratings. However, significantly more registered voters say they have not heard of each of these public figures.

Only Michelle Obama bests Trump as an alternative to Biden in 2024 | Ipsos

 

I saw other media outlets suggesting that she run earlier this year also
Yeah, the Democrats fucked up BIG TIME not going with Michelle.
Oh well......

 

[ProfD]

The Democrats have plenty time to retool and become stronger. We'll see if they groom former FLOTUS Michelle Obama or a dude to run for POTUS in 2028.

[aka Contrarian]

Get real. No way the American people were going to turn around and vote for the black wife  of a black  man who just served as POTUS for 8 years. You're talking "dynasty"!

Besides that, she comes across as a school teacher lecturing to a class room of kids hoping the bell will hurry up and ring. She's uptight and humorless. 

And sensible enough to not want the job.

[ProfD]

11 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

Besides that, she comes across as a school teacher lecturing to a class room of kids hoping the bell will hurry up and ring. She's uptight and humorless. 

And sensible enough to not want the job.

I remember when as FLOTUS Michelle Obama, she tried to encourage children heathier eating and physical fitness. 

 

White folks lost their minds.  How dare FLOTUS tell them their brats ate ate too much and were overweight. I believe Honey Boo Boo was still on TV too. 

 

Nevermind that the Obama family looked like models in family pictures.  White folks didn't care.  They just saw FLOTUS wagging her finger and telling them what to do.

 

White men do not want women to be in charge of anything.  They don't want women telling them what to do.  Especially women of color.  it's easy to see in management positions. 

 

There are plenty women in leadership positions.  White men tolerate it.   In the same way they deal with Black folks. 

 

White men are not ready to allow their wives to see themselves as POTUS.  That's not how the Founding Fathers set up the program.

[Troy]

Kamala was objectively a better candidate than the former First Lady — despite what that silly poll says. 
 

It is hard to believe you are serious sometimes @Pioneer1

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

The Democrats have plenty time to retool and become stronger. 

 

They need to change their entire philosophy and start focusing on WINNING instead of this "moral highground" rhetoric.

 

As much as I thought Michelle should have ran, to be real....SHE is often one of the main ones talking this:
"When they go low...we go high" bullshit.

Democrats need to learn the art of psychological warfare, learn how to fight dirty, and play to actually WIN.

 

And they also need to start focusing more on helping their BASE.

As you said in the other thread, they strayed too far from the Left.

 

 

 

 

Cynique

 

 

You're talking "dynasty"!

 

Ever heard of the BUSHES (George H.W. and George W.)?

 

 

 

She's uptight and humorless.

 

What???
Who are you talking about????

 

 

 

 

 

 

Troy

 

 

Kamala was objectively a better candidate than the former First Lady — despite what that silly poll says. 

 

She LOST didn't she...lol.
So how do we know Michelle WOULDN'T have been better?

You want to call the poll "silly" simply because you disagree with it.

 

 

 

It is hard to believe you are serious sometimes

 

If you don't see that "lol" at the end of the statement, I usually am.

[ProfD]

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

As much as I thought Michelle should have ran, to be real....SHE is often one of the main ones talking this:
"When they go low...we go high" bullshit.

 

So how do we know Michelle WOULDN'T have been better?

The pundits are also saying that former FLOTUS Obama didn't stand any better chance of winning than VP Harris. 

 

It's for the same reasons the Democrats lost in 2016 and 2024.  America isn't ready for a female POTUS.

[nels]

On 11/6/2024 at 5:26 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Only Michelle Obama bests Trump as an alternative to Biden in 2024 | Ipsos

Michelle Obama is nothing more than a deceptive snake and for all intents and purposes, good riddance. She swoops in to smugly lecture black men (and men in general) about who they should vote for, and then quietly retreats back to one of her 3 or 4 multi-million dollar homes and laughs at us all. The Obamas were selected by then top senate leadership somewhere around 2007 to get handle on black Americans, and it worked. Little did Black America know that Barack Obama himself was merely a puppet who was used as a tool to keep Black America in line.

[Troy]

@Pioneer1 @nels response is just one of many reasons Michelle is not an ideal candidate today.

 

 Still the culture of celebrity is strong don’t be disputed by more of them in office. Reagan, Trump, Taylor Swift for president. 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

Well....
If you want to keep saying that Kamala lost because she's a woman and NOT because of how she ran her campaign....be my guest.

Perhaps a brutha rolling around in tinted windows, with his music blasting so loud that it shakes the houses 2 blocks away, and weed smoke puffing out of his ride like a damn chimney can CLAIM that the police saw him and pulled him over because he was a Black man.
...but is that the REAL reason they saw him and stopped him?

 

Troy

nels is a straight up MAGA, what do you expect for him to say about Michelle?
His views don't represent the majority of America OR the majority of voters in America.
 

[ProfD]

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Well....
If you want to keep saying that Kamala lost because she's a woman and NOT because of how she ran her campaign....be my guest.

The history of this country shows  that it's not ready for a female POTUS. 

 

Considering the current state of affairs, a dude dressed like Mrs. Doubtfire could win against a more qualified woman.

[Troy]

13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

lost because she's a woman and NOT because of how she ran her campaign....be my guest.

Dude, I never said that. Why does nuance always escape you? She lost for both reasons and more. 
 

13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

nels is a straight up MAGA,

 

@Pioneer1 your constant casting of young black men as weed smoking lazy ne’er-do-wells is straight from the MAGA handbook.

 

I don’t really care what @nels other political views are. I agree that Michelle had no chance to beat Trump. I’m not even convinced she would have done better than Hillary given the conditions.

 

It is a pointless exercise as she wasn’t in position to be the presidential candidate. It is simply a pipe dream.

 

[Pioneer1]

Troy

 

Dude, I never said that. Why does nuance always escape you? She lost for both reasons and more. 

 

That statement wasn't directed at you, but for ProfD

 

 

 

your constant casting of young black men as weed smoking lazy ne’er-do-wells is straight from the MAGA handbook

 

Actually, it's the opposite.
Most MAGA supporters publicly IGNORE the Black population...including young Black men...and rarely speak about them or their issues.

And when they DO speak to them or about them, it's in a pandering or flattering sort of way designed to convince them that the Democrats and Liberals are their "real enemies" and that they should abandon the Democrat party and support Trump.

 

Now when they are talking to EACHOTHER in PRIVATE...young Black men are often demonized as everything from natural born criminals to sub-humans.
But they're sure not to discuss these things in public.

 

 

It is a pointless exercise as she wasn’t in position to be the presidential candidate. It is simply a pipe dream.

 

I continue to bring it up because it was a mistake that should have never been made.
 

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It is a pointless exercise as she wasn’t in position to be the presidential candidate. It is simply a pipe dream.

 

I continue to bring it up because it was a mistake that should have never been made.

Context is important. The *mistake* Democrats made was long before POTUS PJB stepped aside and VP Harris was thrown in the mix.

 

Grooming a political candidate takes time. Even if she was interested, there's no way Democrats could have selected former FLOTUS Obama as nominee and gotten up to speed in 4 months.

 

Former FLOTUS Obama would have fared no better than or probably done worse than VP Harris. We'll never know.

 

Hindsight always seems to come out 20/20 or better.

[Pioneer1]

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

Hindsight always seems to come out 20/20 or better.

This wasn't a case of hindsight because they had YEARS to plan for Trump.

They KNEW the man was running and they KNEW he was a formidable candidate, so what the hell did they expect?

Did they expect that with all of his criminal trials that he would have gotten locked up by now?

When it became apparent that the man wasn't going anywhere and would be the Republican contender which was about a YEAR or so before the actual election, they should have already had an IDEAL candidate groomed and ready to push out front.
 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

This wasn't a case of hindsight because they had YEARS to plan for Trump.

They KNEW the man was running and they KNEW he was a formidable candidate, so what the hell did they expect?

Did they expect that with all of his criminal trials that he would have gotten locked up by now?

When it became apparent that the man wasn't going anywhere and would be the Republican contender which was about a YEAR or so before the actual election, they should have already had an IDEAL candidate groomed and ready to push out front.

The Democrats thought POTUS PJB would serve one term and turn over the reigns to someone else. 

 

Supposedly, around the mid-term election, POTUS PJB changed his mind and planned to stay in the game. 

 

The Democrats knew he wasn't in shape to serve another term but they didn't force POTUS PJB to give up the keys. 

 

Same way POTUS Obama couldn't convince former SCOTUS RBG to step down because she was old and let him appoint a younger liberal SCOTUS. 

 

You're right...the Democrats had more than enough time to groom another candidate to succeed POTUS PJB.  They failed to do so and gambled and lost.