frankster Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 First hand eyewitness to UFO in the possession of the US Government will speak on the record... How credible is this or these persons? Depends on what recorded evidence they bring... I am hoping for some clear and definitive video footage....of alien crafts at the least Maybe even the image of a living or dead alien....is that too much to ask? With all the technology available today .... SFX VFX CGI AI or Digital Compositing and Camera tricks etc Can we tell what's real from pictures anymore as non professionals? Anyways a good talk will work too...its just the any of the above would be more convincing. To be clear I do not need convincing - I am already convinced of Non Human Intelligence from Here and There
ProfD Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 Considering our ongoing dialog in the other thread, I look forward to the outcome of this latest event/talk. Of course, I don't expect to see any evidence or proof to believe anything different. I'm slightly curious to know why UAP/UFO/ET phenomenon has become a buzz again though. I wonder if we are being distracted from something else.
aka Contrarian Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 Wonder if the spontaneous explosion of the recently launched StarShipXmoon probe is in anyway connectd to the UFO drone activity.? Will this question be brought up at the hearings ??? Ditto for the recent near-miss, mid air collision of 2 passenger Jet planes!
ProfD Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 No shortage of folks were able ro take pictures of that exploded SpaceX rocket. As I'd expect with an aerial phenomena. I saw a bit about the latest UAF/UFO/ET whistleblower event this evening. Different person with a similar testimony as others. This is a guy with military credentials and a super top secret security clearance. From 150 feet away, he claims to have seen the spacecraft and a NHI ( Non-Human Intelligence). The build up to the program is that this guy's testimony could be the greatest breakthrough in UAF/UFO/ET retrieval over 50 years. Supposedly, there was also a mental telepathy program back in 1974. It was claimed to have shut down in the 1980s but actually kept going until many years later. We'll find out tomorrow whether or not this fella has evidence or proof UAF/UFO/ET activity. He looks a bit strange but we'll put a pin in that for now.
Pioneer1 Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 Wait a minute....... You said an unprecedented UFOLOGY even set for 1/18/25 and I was thinking it was going to be an even BY the UFO's themselves! This so-called "unprecedented event" is just a bunch of people sitting around TALKING about what they saw????? Are you serious? That's like the Pope or some religious leader sounding an alarm telling all of the Christians to get ready for tomorrow because a massive event will take place and you don't want to be caught un prepared. You're thinking it's going to be the RAPTURE or that maybe Jesus may come down from the sky. ....and all it is is a bunch of men in robes and cup-caps sitting on top of their heads running their mouths. frank...you sure do know how to promote an event A regular Don King....lol 1
ProfD Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 I missed the event yesterday. Hopefully, it will be re-aired soon. In the meantime, I'm looking forward to reading whatever @frankster thought about it. I know he already believes UAP/UFO/ET exist. Just wondering if the event heightened his belief. Of course, I also understand his weekend includes kush. So, I'll wait for the smoke to clear.
Pioneer1 Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 1 hour ago, ProfD said: I missed the event yesterday. Hopefully, it will be re-aired soon. Are you serious? You actually want to take time to watch/listen to this? I'd think a skeptic like yourself wouldn't accept anything short of actual UFO's themselves coming before humanity. Not a group of people sitting around talking about it and their experiences. I don't think I'm as skeptical as you because I do believe Aliens exist. However I'm at the point that I really don't care too much for people just sitting around running their mouths and bucking their eyes talking about: "Watch out yall! Something BIG 'bout to happen in a minute!" Nah.... If the Aliens are here, let THEM present themselves to us and tell us what we need to be told!
ProfD Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Are you serious? You actually want to take time to watch/listen to this? I would only watch it to add to the chop up with brotha @frankster on the subject. 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I'd think a skeptic like yourself wouldn't accept anything short of actual UFO's themselves coming before humanity. Otherwise, you're right...as the resident agnostic and skeptic, I would have to see the UAP/UFO/ET for myself.
frankster Posted January 19 Author Report Posted January 19 Here it is.... What is important is that he is the first first hand eyewitness to crash retrieval with Official Credentials with actual video evidence... Officially this is a major step...fully places the ball/egg in their court - the onus or burden is now on Officialdom But to UFO Believers/knowers this is little way too small step...underwhelming To non believers this will not be recognize for what it is.... Slow and small imperceptible changes that guarantees acceptance is seen as a foregone conclusion -Gradualism All in ALL it was a great talk and a little clearer video....worthy of being watched Whistleblower reveals UAP retrieval program; object caught on video | NewsNation UAP recovery video shows ‘egg-shaped’ object: Exclusive | Reality Check UAP recovery video shows ‘egg-shaped’ object: Exclusive | Reality Check
Pioneer1 Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 Don't just show the "egg shaped" OBJECT....show the BEINGS inside the object! Too much of this is built on speculation and guess work. We need it to be made crystal clear. Shabba Ranks said: Crystile clear.
frankster Posted January 20 Author Report Posted January 20 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Don't just show the "egg shaped" OBJECT....show the BEINGS inside the object! Showing the egg is a step in the right direction 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Too much of this is built on speculation and guess work. No....it not just speculation or guess work If you accept the statements of the eyewitness and or videographer 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: We need it to be made crystal clear. I can understand that desire... There are other videos of alien craft that is a lot clearer....Chain of Custody and Source Authentication is questionable and often Unverifiable thru officialdom. The above video is attested to as real and true by the eyewitness and his collaborators... Their bona fides legitimacy and credentials are real and true According to Coulthart and Greer. The "tictac", "gimbal" and "go fast" videos are all Verifiable and Authenticated by Officialdom as true and real in all their aspects.... 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Shabba Ranks said: Crystile clear. True...
Pioneer1 Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 frankster Showing the egg is a step in the right direction Problem is...that step has already been TAKEN. Now...for the past 60 plus years, UFO investigations have been pretty much marching in place. No....it not just speculation or guess work If you accept the statements of the eyewitness and or videographer I'd rather hear from the Aliens THEMSELVES. Why don't They give us Their own statements? When I see an airplane flying above my head, I don't have to guess or speculate as to who's flying it. All I have to do is go to the nearest airport and if I stay around their long enough, chances are I'll find not only THAT pilot but a host of other pilots flying similar planes. No guess work. There they are. Grinning at me with caps on their heads willing to answer any question I have for them within reason. 1
frankster Posted January 20 Author Report Posted January 20 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Showing the egg is a step in the right direction Problem is...that step has already been TAKEN. True....this step has already been taken. The difference is this time.... Former and or current Military Officials reputedly involve is on the record stating that this video is a UFO Retrieval event - That's new. 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Now...for the past 60 plus years, UFO investigations have been pretty much marching in place. That is what you would think... Slow small progress that is denied and ridicule every step of the way often goes unnoticed. UFO research that is proprietary remains secret and is release by relevant corporations as products are parts there of.. It is now believe that upwards of 80% of UFO seen are man made back engineered crafts manned and piloted by humans since 1954 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: No....it not just speculation or guess work If you accept the statements of the eyewitness and or videographer I'd rather hear from the Aliens THEMSELVES. That can be done.....it all depends on you. 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Why don't They give us Their own statements? I personally do not know.... My guess is best if you ask the aliens yourself.. Their are some humans who speak for some Aliens who say....The aliens do not want to cause a mass panic in human society - that's not why the aliens are here. Their strategy is Fabianism. 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: When I see an airplane flying above my head, I don't have to guess or speculate as to who's flying it. Not necessarily True all the time...If it is a military airplane. Some drones are often confused with airplanes - Pilots of drones are not in the cockpit. UFOs are not airplanes. 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: All I have to do is go to the nearest airport and if I stay around their long enough, chances are I'll find not only THAT pilot but a host of other pilots flying similar planes. If its military....I do not think you can just enter an Airforce base. Do you happen to know where any UFO bases are located? 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: No guess work. There they are. Grinning at me with caps on their heads willing to answer any question I have for them within reason. Yes.....most civilian airplane and their civilian pilots carry civilian passengers....for commercial purposes Not so if they work for or with some Government agencies
ProfD Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 The eyewitness with government credentials has a strange look about him. If his knowledge and information was that serious, he would not be able to freely walk around talking about it. He's running around with paper scissors. Possibly, the guy will make some money running around telling his "story" about the UAP/UFO/ET retrieval program. I There's no shortage of UFO experts running around. Folks getting paid big money to talk about something anecdotally. Americans enjoy different types of entertainment. Add UAP/UFO/ET to the list of distractions.
Pioneer1 Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 frankster True....this step has already been taken. The difference is this time.... Former and or current Military Officials reputedly involve is on the record stating that this video is a UFO Retrieval event - That's new. We have a saying in Detroit..... Pouring maple syrup on some ole' bullshit don't change it into a fresh stack of pancakes. If the Aliens THEMSELVES aren't the ones sitting on the panel doing the talking...then nothing's changed. That is what you would think... If you got sense, you would. Slow small progress that is denied and ridicule every step of the way often goes unnoticed. Just remember that not everything that is ridiculed and denied is actual "progress". There are a lot of people walking around on the streets barefoot with long hair parted down the middle claiming to be Jesus...live and in the flesh. Guess what? They're laughed at and ridiculed and their claims denied. Guess what else? Because their behavior isn't a sign of progress but of mental illness. Some things NEED to be ridiculed and denied. Ridicule and public shaming is a tactic humans have developed to caution eachother from making public FOOLS of themselves. You may WANT to run around town declaring yourself the Messiah, but the fear of people laughing at your unemployed ass and ridiculing you prevents you from actually doing it. Those who DON'T have that fear often end up paying the price for their naive arrogance. That can be done.....it all depends on you. How so? I personally do not know.... My guess is best if you ask the aliens yourself.. I don't have to guess, I KNOW that asking Them directly would be a better idea than listening to a panel full of White men sitting around spreading lies and disinformation to anybody silly enough to trust what they have to say ABOUT Them. Which is why I've constantly said we need to hear from them DIRECTLY. Their are some humans who speak for some Aliens who say....The aliens do not want to cause a mass panic in human society - that's not why the aliens are here. Their strategy is Fabianism. Which...again....is why I'd rather the Aliens speak for THEMSELVES. So we can dismiss and walk right past what "some people" who "speak for" or "promote" or play "press secretary" for the Aliens; and hear it directly from Them. Not necessarily True all the time...If it is a military airplane. I have family members in the military and who were in the military who flew planes. I knew them and talked to them. I know they exist and what they're about. I don't know ANYBODY who flew UFO vehicles. Do you happen to know where any UFO bases are located? I reckon there's PLENTY of them where ever the UFO's themselves come from.
frankster Posted January 20 Author Report Posted January 20 26 minutes ago, ProfD said: The eyewitness with government credentials has a strange look about him. Yes he does....wide and bulging eyes shock an awe 26 minutes ago, ProfD said: If his knowledge and information was that serious, he would not be able to freely walk around talking about it. Why would that be? 26 minutes ago, ProfD said: He's running around with paper scissors. True 26 minutes ago, ProfD said: Possibly, the guy will make some money running around telling his "story" about the UAP/UFO/ET retrieval program. I I certainly hope so.. 26 minutes ago, ProfD said: There's no shortage of UFO experts running around. Folks getting paid big money to talk about something anecdotally. True 26 minutes ago, ProfD said: Americans enjoy different types of entertainment. Add UAP/UFO/ET to the list of distractions. True...bombings in Gaza is also on that list 24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster True....this step has already been taken. The difference is this time.... Former and or current Military Officials reputedly involve is on the record stating that this video is a UFO Retrieval event - That's new. We have a saying in Detroit..... Pouring maple syrup on some ole' bullshit don't change it into a fresh stack of pancakes. That old bullshit make good fertilizer.... 24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: If the Aliens THEMSELVES aren't the ones sitting on the panel doing the talking...then nothing's changed. The witness and has collaborators....has me thinking - what they are? 24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: That is what you would think... If you got sense, you would. NO....I am too meticulous. 24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Slow small progress that is denied and ridicule every step of the way often goes unnoticed. Just remember that not everything that is ridiculed and denied is actual "progress". True 24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: There are a lot of people walking around on the streets barefoot with long hair parted down the middle claiming to be Jesus...live and in the flesh. Did they raised the dead or heal the sick? 24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Guess what? They're laughed at and ridiculed and their claims denied. As they should be..... Jesus did not claimed to be....as much as people proclaimed him to be 24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Guess what else? Because their behavior isn't a sign of progress but of mental illness. I would agree 24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Some things NEED to be ridiculed and denied. Maybe so... 24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Ridicule and public shaming is a tactic humans have developed to caution eachother from making public FOOLS of themselves. or to keep people from paying attention 24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: You may WANT to run around town declaring yourself the Messiah, but the fear of people laughing at your unemployed ass and ridiculing you prevents you from actually doing it. Those who DON'T have that fear often end up paying the price for their naive arrogance. That can be done.....it all depends on you. How so? Go do CE-5 course... Or study your bible like the man below... Prophet YAHWEH call for UFO 24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: I personally do not know.... My guess is best if you ask the aliens yourself.. I don't have to guess, I KNOW that asking Them directly would be a better idea than listening to a panel full of White men sitting around spreading lies and disinformation to anybody silly enough to trust what they have to say ABOUT Them. Which is why I've constantly said we need to hear from them DIRECTLY. And i agree. 24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Their are some humans who speak for some Aliens who say....The aliens do not want to cause a mass panic in human society - that's not why the aliens are here. Their strategy is Fabianism. Which...again....is why I'd rather the Aliens speak for THEMSELVES. So we can dismiss and walk right past what "some people" who "speak for" or "promote" or play "press secretary" for the Aliens; and hear it directly from Them. Good.... 24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Not necessarily True all the time...If it is a military airplane. I have family members in the military and who were in the military who flew planes. I knew them and talked to them. I know they exist and what they're about. I don't know ANYBODY who flew UFO vehicles. Great did you go to the AFB and see them flying the planes....anytime you wanted to? 24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Do you happen to know where any UFO bases are located? I reckon there's PLENTY of them where ever the UFO's themselves come from. Do you know where that is?
ProfD Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 54 minutes ago, frankster said: Yes he does....wide and bulging eyes shock an awe Reminds me of Woody Harrelson's character in the movie "2012". 54 minutes ago, frankster said: True...bombings in Gaza is also on that list War games is a different form of entertainment. Yesterday, I watched a program about Bigfoot. Now, one of their theories is that Sasquatch the wild man is an ET. A woman in Kentucky claims the Bigfoot alien edition communicates with her. A dude showed up at her for a campout. Sure enough, a Bigfoot with glowing green eyes showed up. The dude met with Bigfoot. The creature could read human minds. The guy couldn't remember everything they discussed due to the "Missing Time" effect. Missing Tme usually happens to people who've been abducted by aliens. It's a phenomena where these people cannot remember details of their alien encounter. On cue, Bigfoot and ETs are now being conflated in some quarters.
frankster Posted January 20 Author Report Posted January 20 14 minutes ago, ProfD said: Reminds me of Woody Harrelson's character in the movie "2012". True... 14 minutes ago, ProfD said: War games is a different form of entertainment. True.. 14 minutes ago, ProfD said: Yesterday, I watched a program about Bigfoot. Now, one of their theories is that Sasquatch the wild man is an ET. Yes. 14 minutes ago, ProfD said: A woman in Kentucky claims the Bigfoot alien edition communicates with her. A dude showed up at her for a campout. Many creatures are psychic... 14 minutes ago, ProfD said: Sure enough, a Bigfoot with glowing green eyes showed up. The dude met with Bigfoot. The creature could read human minds. 14 minutes ago, ProfD said: The guy couldn't remember everything they discussed due to the "Missing Time" effect. I frequent phenomena when humans encounter a strange creature or event... 14 minutes ago, ProfD said: Missing Tme usually happens to people who've been abducted by aliens. It's a phenomena where these people cannot remember details of their alien encounter. True 14 minutes ago, ProfD said: On cue, Bigfoot and ETs are not being conflated in some quarters. They are in others
ProfD Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 6 minutes ago, frankster said: Many creatures are psychic... Clearly, they don't use their psychic abilities to conquer humans. 6 minutes ago, frankster said: They are in others I edited by last post to say they are now conflating Bigfoot and ETs. Funny thing is humans have believed in some version of Bigfoot and ETs for a long time.
Pioneer1 Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 frankster Why would that be? Because he wouldn't be ALLOWED to by the government who keeps such things classified and protected. That old bullshit make good fertilizer.... I agree. Perhaps something good will come from us "burying" this "shit" and moving on, lol. The witness and has collaborators....has me thinking - what they are? Not me. Because if I don't see the Aliens THEMSELVES up there testifying, I could care less what "witnesses" and "collaborators" are saying...nor will I speculate as to who they are. NO....I am too meticulous. I'm not too meticulous either, but I like separating Science from Fiction. Did they raised the dead or heal the sick? Not sure, but a lot of them are out there raising holy hell. Especially when they can't get their fix. In the morning their smiling and waving their hands at you. By noon time they start trippin' like the character Debbie Allen played on Good Times when she and JJ ran off to get married. ....and it gets worse from there until they raise enough money to get their "medicine". or to keep people from paying attention That is true also. The biggest factor in deciding the intent of the ridicule is to examine the FACTS (or lack there of) concerning the SUBJECT of the ridicule itself. If the SUBJECT is built on facts, then the ridicule may be a smoke screen or distracting tactic. However if the SUBJECT is proven to be false or riddled with mystery and speculation...then the ridicule is just a common sense reaction most normal people will and should have toward it. Great did you go to the AFB and see them flying the planes....anytime you wanted to? I don't have to. My questions have been answered. No mysteries. No need for speculation. No need for panels or television shows with weird music and even weirder White men trying to get me to....as my Uncle the Pimp used to say: "Pick up on the game they layin' down....if ya know what I mean." ...that's not my uncle up there, btw...lol. Do you know where that is? Ofcourse. Where they're from. ProfD I wonder how the Bigfoot family dealt with the Covid Pandemic. Matter fact.... Last time I checked, there were no HOSPITALS or even Urgent Care centers for Bigfeet/Bigfoots; so I wonder where do they go when/if they get sick or experience trauma?
frankster Posted January 20 Author Report Posted January 20 10 hours ago, ProfD said: Clearly, they don't use their psychic abilities to conquer humans. True. but you must also realize that to varying degree some creatures feed off us as we do them....that is a type of conquest on a individual level 10 hours ago, ProfD said: I edited by last post to say they are now conflating Bigfoot and ETs. Yes....some researchers believe they are interdimensional creatures....like Rods/Sky fish which are able to fly so fast the human eye cannot see them They are many things in existence some we see others we cant see.... 10 hours ago, ProfD said: Funny thing is humans have believed in some version of Bigfoot and ETs for a long time. Such things are now called Cryptids...
frankster Posted January 20 Author Report Posted January 20 10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Why would that be? Because he wouldn't be ALLOWED to by the government who keeps such things classified and protected. He is a Whistle blower...That's what Whistle blowers do - put their life is on the line. The "line" being he knows how far he can go given the situation and the risks involve. Many before him have been killed. 10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: That old bullshit make good fertilizer.... I agree. Perhaps something good will come from us "burying" this "shit" and moving on, lol. No...not burying it. Rather using it for the good of us all.. 10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: The witness and has collaborators....has me thinking - what they are? Not me. Because if I don't see the Aliens THEMSELVES up there testifying, I could care less what "witnesses" and "collaborators" are saying...nor will I speculate as to who they are. To each his own take... Well I take what they say...With what they present - and based on their Credentials and the Risk they seemed to be taking I give them the benefit of the doubt. 10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: NO....I am too meticulous. I'm not too meticulous either, but I like separating Science from Fiction. I see the relationship between science and fiction as two aspects of the same whole 10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Did they raised the dead or heal the sick? Not sure, but a lot of them are out there raising holy hell. Especially when they can't get their fix. In the morning their smiling and waving their hands at you. By noon time they start trippin' like the character Debbie Allen played on Good Times when she and JJ ran off to get married. ....and it gets worse from there until they raise enough money to get their "medicine". Well good...holy hell says it all 10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: or to keep people from paying attention That is true also. The biggest factor in deciding the intent of the ridicule is to examine the FACTS (or lack there of) concerning the SUBJECT of the ridicule itself. If the SUBJECT is built on facts, then the ridicule may be a smoke screen or distracting tactic. However if the SUBJECT is proven to be false or riddled with mystery and speculation...then the ridicule is just a common sense reaction most normal people will and should have toward it. How you going to know or have the facts when the facts are being hidden from you... 10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Great did you go to the AFB and see them flying the planes....anytime you wanted to? I don't have to. My questions have been answered. No mysteries. No need for speculation. No need for panels or television shows with weird music and even weirder White men trying to get me to....as my Uncle the Pimp used to say: "Pick up on the game they layin' down....if ya know what I mean." ...that's not my uncle up there, btw...lol. Cool and I reserve the Right to hold to my opinion ....that you have not answered my question - you have never seen them flying a plane anytime you wanted? 10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Do you know where that is? Ofcourse. Where they're from. And where is that??? 10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: ProfD I wonder how the Bigfoot family dealt with the Covid Pandemic. Pretty well i would assume as to me Covid was a global - PSYOP To further the Transhumanism agenda and laying the fundamentals of chipping all humans by Genetic Engineering. 10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Matter fact.... Last time I checked, there were no HOSPITALS or even Urgent Care centers for Bigfeet/Bigfoots; so I wonder where do they go when/if they get sick or experience trauma? Like most living creatures they may have turn to .....Herbs Plants rest exercise exposure fasting meditation and various other energy modalities
Pioneer1 Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 frankster He is a Whistle blower...That's what Whistle blowers do - put their life is on the line. The "line" being he knows how far he can go given the situation and the risks involve. Many before him have been killed. And the fact that he HASN'T been says a lot about his true identity. You don't think the government isn't smart and clever enough to put out it's OWN "whistle blowers" and double-agents to throw people off? I guess any crazy-blue eyed White man can come on claiming to be an "insider" who is now a "whistle blower" and gain your trust and confidence. Because he's GOTTA be who he SAYS he is...right? Just like if you're doing a street transaction and you ask them are they a cop...they GOTTA tell you if they really ARE the police...right? Riiiiiight! No...not burying it. Rather using it for the good of us all.. The only "good" way to use bullshit...is using it as an EXAMPLE of what to look out for. To each his own take... Well I take what they say...With what they present - and based on their Credentials and the Risk they seemed to be taking I give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't give them THAT much, lol. I just give them a little time...to get out of my face. For example..... About 15 years ago I was out on the Westcoast and a White dude came up into the coffee shop I was in and sat down next to me with a laptop computer showing me "loose change" or some shit about 9/11 being orchestrated by the Bilderbergs or Illuminati to bring in the New World order. I'll gave that fool about 3 minutes to close his shit up and get the fuck away from me with that bullshit. No I don't believe the "official story" about what happened, but: A. I don't believe HIS story either and B. Even if it WAS orchestrated by some secret group, ain't a damn thing HE was going to do about it besides get other people stupid enough to get behind him in trouble...while he "disappears off" somewhere. 'fuck otta here with that double-agent garbage. How you going to know or have the facts when the facts are being hidden from you... You may find this hard to believe but it's better to have the facts hidden from you and simply know very little rather than be fed a bunch of lies and garbage that clutter up your mind with disinformation that you THINK is true but actually generates more confusion. you have never seen them flying a plane anytime you wanted? That's because I didn't want to see them flying it that much. I didn't MIND seeing it fly when I look up....but it's not something sit around DESIRING to see. And where is that??? Their designated location of origin. Pretty well i would assume as to me Covid was a global - PSYOP That statement raises 3 questions: 1. Do you believe the actual Covid virus was real? 2. Do you believe the virus actually made people sick and killed some? 3. Do you believe it killed AS MANY people (or possibly more) as claimed? Like most living creatures they may have turn to .....Herbs Plants rest exercise exposure fasting meditation and various other energy modalities Yeah.... Most animals don't have hospitals or doctors. And guess what? Most animals when they get sick enough, crawl of somewhere and drop DEAD. They'd go the hospital if they HAD one....they ain't GOT one. Unless a human BUILDS one for them. I'm glad the Good Lord gave us humans a beautiful and powerful BRAIN to use that makes us intellectually higher than the animals.
frankster Posted January 20 Author Report Posted January 20 37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster He is a Whistle blower...That's what Whistle blowers do - put their life is on the line. The "line" being he knows how far he can go given the situation and the risks involve. Many before him have been killed. And the fact that he HASN'T been says a lot about his true identity. He has been a known whistle blower for about yr...I am glad he is still alive - He does not need to die for me to value his efforts and info. 37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: You don't think the government isn't smart and clever enough to put out it's OWN "whistle blowers" and double-agents to throw people off? Of course they do that 37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: I guess any crazy-blue eyed White man can come on claiming to be an "insider" who is now a "whistle blower" and gain your trust and confidence. Because he's GOTTA be who he SAYS he is...right? He can be all those things.... I already stated that for his information there is no Chain of Custody and Source Authentication....beyond himself and his collaborators. His Credentials as to the work he has being doing has been Authenticated by Coulthart and Greer....So he is who he says he is 37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Just like if you're doing a street transaction and you ask them are they a cop...they GOTTA tell you if they really ARE the police...right? Riiiiiight! No they do not have to tell you that they are cops... Yes Barber could be still working for the people whose work he is trying to expose.... If the video and information he has provided is authentic....then he is indeed exposing something that was once hidden 37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: No...not burying it. Rather using it for the good of us all.. The only "good" way to use bullshit...is using it as an EXAMPLE of what to look out for. That is one of many many things you can do with bull shit. 37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: To each his own take... Well I take what they say...With what they present - and based on their Credentials and the Risk they seemed to be taking I give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't give them THAT much, lol. I just give them a little time...to get out of my face. cool 37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: For example..... About 15 years ago I was out on the Westcoast and a White dude came up into the coffee shop I was in and sat down next to me with a laptop computer showing me "loose change" or some shit about 9/11 being orchestrated by the Bilderbergs or Illuminati to bring in the New World order. I'll gave that fool about 3 minutes to close his shit up and get the fuck away from me with that bullshit. No I don't believe the "official story" about what happened, but: A. I don't believe HIS story either and B. Even if it WAS orchestrated by some secret group, ain't a damn thing HE was going to do about it besides get other people stupid enough to get behind him in trouble...while he "disappears off" somewhere. 'fuck otta here with that double-agent garbage. Cool...that's you 37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: How you going to know or have the facts when the facts are being hidden from you... You may find this hard to believe but it's better to have the facts hidden from you and simply know very little rather than be fed a bunch of lies and garbage that clutter up your mind with disinformation that you THINK is true but actually generates more confusion. Give me the information.....lies garbage and facts I will sort it out... 37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: you have never seen them flying a plane anytime you wanted? That's because I didn't want to see them flying it that much. I didn't MIND seeing it fly when I look up....but it's not something sit around DESIRING to see. Thanks for that answer 37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Their designated location of origin. In other words you do not know.....where that is? 37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Pretty well i would assume as to me Covid was a global - PSYOP That statement raises 3 questions: 1. Do you believe the actual Covid virus was real? Yes 37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: 2. Do you believe the virus actually made people sick and killed some? Yes 37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: 3. Do you believe it killed AS MANY people (or possibly more) as claimed? No 37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Like most living creatures they may have turn to .....Herbs Plants rest exercise exposure fasting meditation and various other energy modalities Yeah.... Most animals don't have hospitals or doctors. And guess what? Most animals when they get sick enough, crawl of somewhere and drop DEAD. They'd go the hospital if they HAD one....they ain't GOT one. Unless a human BUILDS one for them. Our earliest Civilizations Arts and Knowledge was gleamed from wild animals - Social Organization Social Animals tend to have medical knowledge...and Social Specialization or Division of Labor - Bush Doctor/Shaman Wounded wild orangutan seen using plant as medicine | BBC News Monkey rescue on railway tracks : real life miracle! Chimpanzees seen applying "medicine" to each other 37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: I'm glad the Good Lord gave us humans a beautiful and powerful BRAIN to use that makes us intellectually higher than the animals. The Arrogance....
Pioneer1 Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 frankster He has been a known whistle blower for about yr...I am glad he is still alive - He does not need to die for me to value his efforts and info. "Known" by who? Yes Barber could be still working for the people whose work he is trying to expose.... Since you acknowledge this, this should make you question ALL of the information he presents to you. If the video and information he has provided is authentic....then he is indeed exposing something that was once hidden But since he MAY still be working for the government in a dis-information operation, we can't arbitrarily trust whether the info is authentic or not. Besides.... The BEST information would come directly from the Aliens Themselves. That will clear up any confusion. Where they at? Give me the information.....lies garbage and facts I will sort it out... How? What criteria would you use to verify what is true and what is false? Thanks for that answer You're welcome my brutha In other words you do not know.....where that is? In other words...I ain't 'wurred 'bout it. Social Animals tend to have medical knowledge...and Social Specialization or Division of Labor - Bush Doctor/Shaman Have you seen ANY animal treat a broken leg? Treat a skin infection? Make a bandage out of some leaves to wrap a wound? The Arrogance.... Well, when you can find me a chipmunk or zebra who can build a laptop computer from scratch. ...come holla at me and we'll discuss this.
frankster Posted January 20 Author Report Posted January 20 57 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster He has been a known whistle blower for about yr...I am glad he is still alive - He does not need to die for me to value his efforts and info. "Known" by who? By Coulthart 57 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Yes Barber could be still working for the people whose work he is trying to expose.... Since you acknowledge this, this should make you question ALL of the information he presents to you. Yes I have considered it....and it does. But everything he sets fit within known Ufology.. I have seen this twice before ..... both men end up dead under suspicious circumstances The two whistle blowers now dead were not as credentials as the current whistle blowers. 57 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: If the video and information he has provided is authentic....then he is indeed exposing something that was once hidden But since he MAY still be working for the government in a dis-information operation, we can't arbitrarily trust whether the info is authentic or not. Besides.... Hence it is being made public so that many skeptics and non believers will see it and poke holes in its veracity and authenticity...like expert analyses 57 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: The BEST information would come directly from the Aliens Themselves. That will clear up any confusion. Just seeing a live alien would answer most the questions I have.... Anything they say will and should be held to the same standard of scrutiny and doubt as the words of the whistle blowers 57 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Where they at? I do not know where they are... 57 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Give me the information.....lies garbage and facts I will sort it out... How? What criteria would you use to verify what is true and what is false? I have over 55yrs of following UFO stories . Sorry but i will not tell you my methods. 57 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Thanks for that answer You're welcome my brutha cool 57 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: In other words you do not know.....where that is? In other words...I ain't 'wurred 'bout it. You now walking it back 57 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Social Animals tend to have medical knowledge...and Social Specialization or Division of Labor - Bush Doctor/Shaman Have you seen ANY animal treat a broken leg? Yes... 57 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Treat a skin infection? Dude the orangutan in the video just did that 57 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Make a bandage out of some leaves to wrap a wound? The spider above just did that. all you doing is moving the goal post I just showed you three videos with animal practicing medicine.... The fact that it is not recorded by humans does not mean it is not happening.... 57 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: The Arrogance.... Well, when you can find me a chipmunk or zebra who can build a laptop computer from scratch. ...come holla at me and we'll discuss this. If You are thinking that an ant computer is going to look like a human computer with a key board and screen....Don't hold your breath plus we were talking about medical knowledge not digital technology
ProfD Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I wonder how the Bigfoot family dealt with the Covid Pandemic. Matter fact.... Last time I checked, there were no HOSPITALS or even Urgent Care centers for Bigfeet/Bigfoots; so I wonder where do they go when/if they get sick or experience trauma? I'd gather Bigfoot/ETs would be immune to the diseases that plague humans and/or they would know how to treat themselves.
frankster Posted January 26 Author Report Posted January 26 I am not saying the two video are related or crafts they describe are same or related....Nor or they proof of Alien Intelligence. But definitely they are Evidentiary... Air Force veteran Fred Baker shares UAP experiences | Reality Check Pentagon says video released of pyramid-shaped UFOs is authentic
ProfD Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 The Pentagon and military folks should claim the videos are authentic considering they produced it. The classified nature of the technology and programs makes having folks chase UAP/UFO/ET phenomena even better.
frankster Posted January 26 Author Report Posted January 26 17 hours ago, ProfD said: The Pentagon and military folks should claim the videos are authentic considering they produced it. True... The important thing is they never used to claim or authenticate such things....so that is a change. 17 hours ago, ProfD said: The classified nature of the technology and programs makes having folks chase UAP/UFO/ET phenomena even better. That's better for all of us
ProfD Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 56 minutes ago, frankster said: The important thing is they never used to claim or authenticate such things....so that is a change. There was nothing to authenticate when it was just grainy pictures and video taken by the average person. With military aircraft taking photos or radar, maybe they feel compelled to respond to the inquiry, They still aren't providing any concrete or definitive proof on the existence of UAP/UFO/ET. The timing of this renewed interest is in UAP/UFO/ET is suspect too. May be a distraction from the real BS we'll be facing over the next 4 years. Unless along with Rev. Dr. MLK Jr., JFK and RFK files, POTUS OJ also releases the files on UAP/UFO/ET as well.
frankster Posted January 26 Author Report Posted January 26 20 minutes ago, ProfD said: There was nothing to authenticate when it was just grainy pictures and video taken by the average person. Even that they would not authenticate...now they do. 20 minutes ago, ProfD said: With military aircraft taking photos or radar, maybe they feel compelled to respond to the inquiry, By FOIA usually...pre-emptive 20 minutes ago, ProfD said: They still aren't providing any concrete or definitive proof on the existence of UAP/UFO/ET. True... But there is Change...I would call Progress The Change is from out right Denial...to we can neither Deny or Confirm...then now we can Confirm 20 minutes ago, ProfD said: The timing of this renewed interest is in UAP/UFO/ET is suspect too. It certainly is 20 minutes ago, ProfD said: May be a distraction from the real BS we'll be facing over the next 4 years. Could be 20 minutes ago, ProfD said: Unless along with Rev. Dr. MLK Jr., JFK and RFK files, POTUS OJ also releases the files on UAP/UFO/ET as well. That would be good
ProfD Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 19 hours ago, frankster said: Even that they would not authenticate...now they do. But there is Change...I would call Progress The Change is from out right Denial...to we can neither Deny or Confirm...then now we can Confirm Let's see how long it takes for concrete evidence and proof to be presented as confirmation.
frankster Posted January 27 Author Report Posted January 27 26 minutes ago, ProfD said: Let's see how long it takes for concrete evidence and proof to be presented as confirmation. What do you consider "Concrete Evidence"? Please do not say it has to be a craft landing in walmart parking lot and aliens stepping out ...it will only be proof for the eyewitnesses As I have shown that will not suffice....all who did not witness it will in all likelihood remain skeptical Some thing similar has been reputed to have had happen in Miami Bayside Mall in 2024....Officialdom said it was kids rampaging - in short a cover up In Rome a foot ball stadium full of spectators all witness a UFO...back 1950's.
ProfD Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 1 hour ago, frankster said: What do you consider "Concrete Evidence"? Concrete evidence would have to be that which cannot be refuted under any circumstance.
Troy Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 1 hour ago, ProfD said: Concrete evidence would have to be that which cannot be refuted under any circumstance. Literarily anything can be refuted. Our senses are faulty, and one can assert that there is no objective reality. At some point, you have to define what is good enough. Sounds to me that you have to meet an alien. While that might satisfy you, that will not be good enough for the person who wasn't there. Some are convinced aliens must have built the Pyramids because they can't figure out how it was done so many millennia ago. I see these UFOs the same way. We don't know what it is so if must be aliens right?
ProfD Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 5 minutes ago, Troy said: Literarily anything can be refuted. Our senses are faulty, and one can assert that there is no objective reality. At some point, you have to define what is good enough. Sounds to me that you have to meet an alien. While that might satisfy you, that will not be good enough for the person who wasn't there. There is no question that certain people existed (Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.) and events happened (wars) and landmarks exist (Washington Monument or Statue of Liberty). No refuting those facts. 5 minutes ago, Troy said: Some are convinced aliens must have built the Pyramids because they can't figure out how it was done so many millennia ago... Right. They don't to give Black people credit for being smart enough to construct such a thing with limited technology. 5 minutes ago, Troy said: . I see these UFOs the same way. We don't know what it is so if must be aliens right? That is how humans tend to rationalize the unexplainable.
frankster Posted January 27 Author Report Posted January 27 2 hours ago, ProfD said: Concrete evidence would have to be that which cannot be refuted under any circumstance. Like...give an example?
frankster Posted January 27 Author Report Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Troy said: Literarily anything can be refuted. True 1 hour ago, Troy said: Our senses are faulty, True 1 hour ago, Troy said: and one can assert that there is no objective reality. True 1 hour ago, Troy said: At some point, you have to define what is good enough. True....most people just let Officialdom decide what's real or good enough. 1 hour ago, Troy said: Sounds to me that you have to meet an alien. Problem with that is @ProfD probable will not recognize it as such. 1 hour ago, Troy said: While that might satisfy you, that will not be good enough for the person who wasn't there. True 1 hour ago, Troy said: Some are convinced aliens must have built the Pyramids because they can't figure out how it was done so many millennia ago. True.. I do not think aliens built the Pyramid. 1 hour ago, Troy said: I see these UFOs the same way. We don't know what it is so if must be aliens right? That's fine too....it is not a new idea Nearly every cultures myth speaks of beings whom have the ability of flight powerful weapons control over aspects of nature and extraordinary knowledge.... Whose abode or from whence the came is in the heavens Not all UFO's are Aliens anymore....Private Companies (usually military contractors) have back engineered their own. 1 hour ago, ProfD said: There is no question that certain people existed (Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.) and events happened (wars) and landmarks exist (Washington Monument or Statue of Liberty). No refuting those facts. We Africans have been written out of continental European history... Currently Trump is white washing and whiting out Black History.... Holocaust Deniers are real...They refute the Nazis committed Genocide against the Jews. 1 hour ago, ProfD said: Right. They don't to give Black people credit for being smart enough to construct such a thing with limited technology. True. The used Different technology we are just now grasping. 1 hour ago, ProfD said: That is how humans tend to rationalize the unexplainable. We start with what fits our history culture and myth.
ProfD Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 1 hour ago, frankster said: Problem with that is @ProfD probable will not recognize it as such. Right. The alien would hsve to do some extraordinary sh8t for me to believe it's ET. 1 hour ago, frankster said: We Africans have been written out of continental European history... Currently Trump is white washing and whiting out Black History.... Mainly because Black folks allow it to happen. 1 hour ago, frankster said: Holocaust Deniers are real...They refute the Nazis committed Genocide against the Jews. The Jews, Europeans and Americans are giving those Holocaust Deniers h8ll for it too. 1 hour ago, frankster said: We start with what fits our history culture and myth. Right. From there, we build on our knowledge.
frankster Posted January 28 Author Report Posted January 28 15 hours ago, ProfD said: Right. The alien would hsve to do some extraordinary sh8t for me to believe it's ET. Of course... The only exception is....if Officialdom start saying its true Non Human Intelligent Beings are Here Coming and Going. I expect you to deny the truth of the above statement. 15 hours ago, ProfD said: Mainly because Black folks allow it to happen. That's a great way to put it....blame the victim 15 hours ago, ProfD said: The Jews, Europeans and Americans are giving those Holocaust Deniers h8ll for it too. They are....but the Refuters are Real and growing 15 hours ago, ProfD said: Right. From there, we build on our knowledge. Yes ...That is how the narrative goes and for the most part is true. That is not always the case....sometimes knowledge is Lost or Hidden for all kinds of reason.
ProfD Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 16 minutes ago, frankster said: The only exception is....if Officialdom start saying its true Non Human Intelligent Beings are Here Coming and Going. I expect you to deny the truth of the above statement. Not me. Hopefully, we'll be able to cross that bridge in our lifetime. 16 minutes ago, frankster said: That's a great way to put it....blame the victim Victimhood is one of the pillars of oppression. One must 1) shed the victim mentality and 2) fight to reclaim history, build infrastructure and 3) liberate from real or perceived oppression. 16 minutes ago, frankster said: They are....but the Refuters are Real and growing Denial of the Holocaust will never be accepted. The debt will continue to be paid as well. 16 minutes ago, frankster said: That is not always the case....sometimes knowledge is Lost or Hidden for all kinds of reason. Sure. Knowledge whether lost or hidden doesn't matter much if people aren't going to use it anyway.
frankster Posted January 28 Author Report Posted January 28 16 minutes ago, ProfD said: Not me. As expected 16 minutes ago, ProfD said: Hopefully, we'll be able to cross that bridge in our lifetime. I have already crossed that bridge....not waiting on officialdom 16 minutes ago, ProfD said: Victimhood is one of the pillars of oppression. Victimization is a Pillar of Oppression....Victimhood is the condition of being injured - Oppression is the condition of being victimized 16 minutes ago, ProfD said: One must 1) shed the victim mentality The injury is both physical sociological and psychological....In others words the injury is real and must be address if a remedy is to be found and used. Living in denial...is lying to self - you can't change what you refuse to confront. 16 minutes ago, ProfD said: and 2) fight to reclaim history, build infrastructure and True 16 minutes ago, ProfD said: 3) liberate from real or perceived oppression. True 16 minutes ago, ProfD said: Denial of the Holocaust will never be accepted. The debt will continue to be paid as well. That is to be seen... 16 minutes ago, ProfD said: Sure. Knowledge whether lost or hidden doesn't matter much if people aren't going to use it anyway. Being Ignorant of the facts or knowledge does not mean in anyway that the facts or knowledge do not matter. It denies you the ability to react appropriately in an optimum manner Having the Knowledge is the best way to ensure it's use...The best way to ensure it not being used is to lose it or hide it
ProfD Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 1 hour ago, frankster said: Victimization is a Pillar of Oppression....Victimhood is the condition of being injured - Oppression is the condition of being victimized The injury is both physical sociological and psychological....In others words the injury is real and must be address if a remedy is to be found and used. Living in denial...is lying to self - you can't change what you refuse to confront. Right. Sh8t happens. By any means necessary, one has to respond to and deal with that perpetrator/oppressor in order to keep it from happening again. Otherwise, a failure to address means being a victim (social, psychological and physical) into perpetuity. 1 hour ago, frankster said: Being Ignorant of the facts or knowledge does not mean in anyway that the facts or knowledge do not matter. It denies you the ability to react appropriately in an optimum manner Having the Knowledge is the best way to ensure it's use...The best way to ensure it not being used is to lose it or hide it Ignorance seems to be a blessing and a curse dependent upon how one chooses to live and/or deal with life. I know *smart* people who are well off and miserable as h8ll for one reason or another. OTOH, I know *ignorant* folks who don't know a lot or have much. Yet, they don't seem to have a care in the world and appear to be as happy as clams. As the saying goes, it takes all kinds to make the world go round.
frankster Posted January 28 Author Report Posted January 28 1 hour ago, ProfD said: Right. Sh8t happens. By any means necessary, one has to respond to and deal with that perpetrator/oppressor in order to keep it from happening again. Otherwise, a failure to address means being a victim (social, psychological and physical) into perpetuity. True. Unless the oppressor wakes up to what they are doing as harmful to themselves or has becomes sympathetic to the victim. 1 hour ago, ProfD said: Ignorance seems to be a blessing and a curse dependent upon how one chooses to live and/or deal with life. Yes Or if one faces those two imposter the same....Stoically or with Buddhist Unattachment - to having a or any desired outcome one way other the other. 1 hour ago, ProfD said: I know *smart* people who are well off and miserable as h8ll for one reason or another. As a young man at first I could not understand why relatively Attractive Healthy and Wealthy individual would off themselves.....till my heart was broken 1 hour ago, ProfD said: OTOH, I know *ignorant* folks who don't know a lot or have much. Yet, they don't seem to have a care in the world and appear to be as happy as clams. True... Ignorance will lead to not having a care.... Less cares can lead to happiness... Having little or much depends mindset... Happiness OTOH is a skill...one develops 1 hour ago, ProfD said: As the saying goes, it takes all kinds to make the world go round. So it goes
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