Diversity, Equity & Inclusion (DEI) Being Eliminated

[ProfD]

POTUS OJ signed an Executive Order (EO) to place federal employees working in DEI offices on leave immediately.

 

The administration has given agencies a couple months to determine how they are going to strip DEI programs.

 

The administration also wants DEI removed from websites. They are also encouraging private businesses and organizations to do the same.

 

Granted, it will be very easy to place DEI under EEO (Equal Employment Opportunity) with Human Resources departments. Like Affirmation Action, EEO has been around for decades.

 

Removing the acronym DEI from the public discourse is a flex by the administration to satisfy their base. It does not necessarily kill the initiative. 

 

Merit-based selection is an oxymoron in a land of opportunities built on greed, racism, nepotism, Homestead Act, Jim Crow, redlining and every other obstacle of placed in the path of progress for people who do not carry favor under white supremacy.

 

As America rolls back to the 1950s, hopefully Black folks will use this climate as motivation to consider building infrastructures that are not dependent on the goodies, guarantees and giveaways that white folks bestow upon themselves. 

For example, investing heavily in Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) and establishing companies, businesses, institutions, banks, hospitals, etc., that provide opportunities to their graduates is something Black folks can do.

 

There would be no need for Affirmative Action, EEO or DEI if/when Black people could rely on themselves for opportunities instead of white benevolence.

[KENNETH]

Of course I'm of the view that we should fight all this stuff. However there's never anything wrong with self help. Here's what I think : 

 

1. Black people own and start all kinds of businesses all the time. Most of them are very small and don't employ many people. We need to get into growth industries to make money off everybody and create wealth and opportunities. The idea of thriving self contained local ethnic neighborhood based economy as the road to freedom will not work. That's been over.

 

2. In cities where blacks have political clout and successful companies like Atlanta or others we need to focus on community development with black businesses central to that effort. However it's not enough just to make some blacks richer and part of the elitist 1%. We need look at pulling up all blacks as the focus of public policy in mostly black cities like Detroit, Atlanta, Baltimore, and Washington DC. 

 

3. If white people don't respect us or our rights then black businesses people, activists, and politicians need to start looking to strategic partnerships with foreigners to do things. We need to also look at boycotts and financial pressure.

 

[Chevdove]

Black people should have never allowed 'ourselves' to be aligned with the DEI movement, but that is what Obama represented and so, there you go.

That DEI movement was to move forward the homosexual movement and thus, Black people have now become linked to this and this is insane. 

 

[ProfD]

27 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

Black people should have never allowed 'ourselves' to be aligned with the DEI movement...

Correct.  DEI just like Affirmative Action have benefitted other minorities moreso mainly white women.

[Troy]

DEI efforts support everyone except cisgendered, heterosexual white males, or roughly 75% of the US Population.

 

Of course, Black people's issues get lost in the sauce as priories are dictated by those with the most resources -- include gay white men, white women -- who make up more than half of the US population!

 

Still one can fight for the rights of Black people and take any wins from DEI efforts. 

[ProfD]

2 minutes ago, Troy said:

Of course, Black people's issues get lost in the sauce as priories are dictated by those with the most resources...

 

Still one can fight for the rights of Black people and take any wins from DEI efforts. 

Of course, Black folks issues always get lost in the sauce one way or another whether it's Civil Rights, Affirmative Action or the latest DEI. 

 

The craziest part is as a negative, DEI is being linked to Black folks when it has benefitted every other minority group the most. 

 

At some point, Black folks cannot continue this Charlie Brown and Lucy with the football sh8t. The trick is old.

 

Black folks have to stop fighting for crumbs and pour that energy into baking our own bread. 

 

As I've mentioned, I believe if any good comes out of this new administration leaning into white nationalism and flexing white supremacy, it will force Black folks to do something different.

[Pioneer1]

Question:  How much did DEI really help AfroAmercans, anyway?


A lot of Gays and Lesbians benefited from it.

A lot of fake as White people running around with feathers in their hair and 1/32 drop of Native American blood running through their veins CLAIMING to be Indians, benefitted from it.

A lot of Latino benefitted from it.

A lot of White women in general benefitted from it.

How many AfroAmericans, especially AfroAmerican men actually benefitted from all of these "diversity" programs being push in institutions and corporations around the nation?
 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Question:  How much did DEI really help AfroAmercans, anyway?

How many AfroAmericans, especially AfroAmerican men actually benefitted from all of these "diversity" programs being push in institutions and corporations around the nation?

What they're not telling us let's me know not too many AfroAmerican men benefited from DEI.

 

i do believe AfroAmerican women benefited more than AfroAmerican men. 

 

Overall, I believe everybody else benefited from DEI more than AfroAmericans.

 

I doubt we'll get the DEI receipts proving who benefited the most.

 

Now, they're on a  fast-track to restoring masculinity and white male superiority.

[Troy]

I always thought DEI initiatives benefited everyone except CIS gendered white men.— the group who pushed back the most against it.

 

Now based upon feedback from others, Black people are being hurt disproportionately by the removal of DEI initiatives.

 

Filed under “ain’t that a bitch!”

[Pioneer1]

Maybe because I didn't go to college and don't have a lot of experience in academic institutions or corporate America where a lot of DEI seems to be practiced....but I honestly had no idea that DEI even existed until a few years ago when I heard Republicans ranting against it.

I'm still not sure what it's supposed to be.

Another one of those vague issues like Critical Race Theory, than means many different things to many different people.

Most jobs I've gotten I've applied for, got an interview, and got hired. I kept the job based on my performance and conduct.

Plain and simple.

On some applications I've filled out questions asking me what my race and gender was, but to be honest....I DIDN'T get the vast majority of those jobs.

I'm not sure if those questions were part of a DEI program seeking to include more "oppressed" groups.

Most jobs I got were jobs that DIDN'T ask those questions but just the basics like name, contact information, and experience.

 

I don't know of a lot of Black people who actually HAVE benefited  from DEI, to be honest.

The same with Affirmative Action.

They keep talking about how Black folks benefited from it and I used to ask and still ask HOW?
How can I benefit from it?
What steps do I take to get some "Affirmative Action" for being Black?

Folks just look and laugh, talking about "it doesn't work that way".
I say, "Well what way DOES it work????"

 

Either these programs were implemented to help Black folks or they weren't.
If I'm a Black man and need a job, where is Affirmative Action?

See....
This is why I say a lot of these arguments are bullshit and propaganda.
Something...not to benefit us...but to just get White folks riled up and angry so they can focus on it.
 

So I'm not going to cry too many tears for the elimination of DEI OR Affirmative Action if I don't see how either of them benefitted me.

If it's not benefiting me AND it's just pissing well armed White men off, what the hell good is it?

[Troy]

I believe DEI is a relatively new term.  

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Maybe because I didn't go to college and don't have a lot of experience in academic institutions or corporate America

 

Well, I spend a couple of decades working a several fortunate 100 companies.  Most of the places would not hire Black people unless they were absolutely brillant, culturally white, or forced to do so.  My first Job out of college was with a GE (at the time the multinational conglomerate was a household name). I'm sure I was hired because government contractors were forced to hire a certain number of Black people in order to get government contracts.  

 

The fight against DEI is not just about DEI.  They are not just firing people, they are destroying records, a high-tech book burning. This is serious business...

 

[ProfD]

DEI has a flavor similar to Affirmative Action. Same concept made necessary in a system built on white male privilege.

 

@Pioneer1, the companies to which you've applied to could very well be hiring minorities by mandate i.e. Affirmative Action or DEI.

[Pioneer1]

Troy

 

My first Job out of college was with a GE (at the time the multinational conglomerate was a household name).

 

I remember the commercials.

GE - we bring good things to life

...lol

 

The fight against DEI is not just about DEI.  They are not just firing people, they are destroying records, a high-tech book burning. This is serious business...

 

Yeah, not just in academic institutions but in government institutions as well.
I heard they're going to various police departments and erasing the records of misconduct, abuse, and brutality by officers.

 

 

 

 

 

ProfD

 

 

DEI has a flavor similar to Affirmative Action. Same concept made necessary in a system built on white male privilege.

 

And it seems to be just about as effective in actually ending discrimination in the work place....both being MINIMAL.

It seems to me that the ONLY Black people who benefit from either DEI or Affirmative Action have been SOME of those who were fortunate to go through and graduate from Universities.
And what percentage of AfroAmericans is THAT????

 

What about the masses of our people who need jobs and many of them are victims of discrimination, racism, harassment, and passed up promotions but these are non-Corporate jobs in the Service Industry or Manufacturing?

That's where the MAJORITY of our people are and that's where these programs should be.

 

 

A company gets sued because while BOTH are making over $100,000 a year...the Black Engineer is making $10,000 a year less than the White one.
That's worthy of a law suit and media attention.

 

Meanwhile, in that SAME company on the work floor...you have a racist White Supervisor who is firing Black men left and right as soon as they walk through the door or NOT hiring them to begin with and is sexually harassing Black women and making racist jokes.
....but no "Affirmative Action" or "DEI" program to deal with THAT shit.

 

So who are they fooling with these bullshit programs???

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

What about the masses of our people who need jobs and many of them are victims of discrimination, racism, harassment, and passed up promotions but these are non-Corporate jobs in the Service Industry or Manufacturing?

 

A company gets sued because while BOTH are making over $100,000 a year...the Black Engineer is making $10,000 a year less than the White one.

The common denominator is who owns these companies.

 

It's silly to think or believe white folks are going to take care of non-white folks equal to or better than they treat their own kind.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

....but no "Affirmative Action" or "DEI" program to deal with THAT shit.

 

So who are they fooling with these bullshit programs???

Those BS programs are designed to level the playing field. 

 

The problem is  that we live in a system of racism white supremacy. 

 

I don't see how or why we should expect these people to police themselves. 

 

Black folks need their own sh8t.  Stop depending on white folks for job opportunities. 

 

Don't need affirmative action or DEI if Black folks are self-sufficient.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Those BS programs are designed to level the playing field. 
 

They clearly aren't doing a very good job of it.

I'd argue that they weren't actually designed to level the playing field but actually designed to do just what I mentioned earlier....piss off White people.
 

They aren't really effective in ending employment discrimination or work-place racism.
They are just worded and crafted in a way that FAVORS women, Black people, and Latinos in writing without really DOING anything for us.
Like Malcolm X told the church-going brother in the movie,

"These so-called White Christians....he TELLS you he loves you but he doesn't DO anything for you."

So it's just a picture on a wall, or a target...like CRT.
Something angry White men can point to as being unfair against them.
 

 

 

Black folks need their own sh8t.  Stop depending on white folks for job opportunities. 

 

Don't need affirmative action or DEI if Black folks are self-sufficient.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said DO FOR SELF or suffer the consequences.

 

[ProfD]

55 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Those BS programs are designed to level the playing field. 
 

They clearly aren't doing a very good job of it.

I'd argue that they weren't actually designed to level the playing field but actually designed to do just what I mentioned earlier....piss off White people.

Right. It was always a joke.

55 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said DO FOR SELF or suffer the consequences.

Those chickens wil be coming home to roost soon enough if the current administration has anything to do with it.

[Pioneer1]

I'm not saying NOBODY was helped by a lot of these programs, but like you said earlier....they're being ran and operated by the same people who are DOING the discriminating in the first place.

You have a problem with police brutality and discriminatory policing in a given community.
A law is passed to help alleviate that and force the police department to be more just and fair in it's practices.
And who is in charge of implementing this and enforcing this "new law"?   
THE SAME COPS who were being racist and brutal in the first place!

The same White folks who were being racist and discriminating in the workplace; now you're trusting them to be fair and enforce non-discriminatory policies that come down from Washington D.C..

It was set up to fail.

Like I said, just something White men can point to as a target to justify their anger and rage.
If it didn't exist, they wouldn't have an argument to say THEY were being discriminated against too.  But since it does...now THEY can point to it and claim bias.