aka Contrarian Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: This man.....Dan Bongino....is an Italian American. Is the Pope "blacker" than him???? This man...Nick Turturro...is also Italian American. Who looks "blacker"....him or that Pope with mixed grand parents??? Check out the second word in the above paragraph. The reason you posted the pictures was to show how the Italians in question "looked".
frankster Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 9 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: I'm curious as to why you say this. This question has been answered.....He African blood cruising in his veins. 9 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: Interestingly enough Pope Leo was born in Chicago , but apparently at one time in his childhood, he lived in Dolton, Illinois, which is now a predominately black suburb that just recently made headlines because its black female mayor was indicted for corruption and was just defeated for re-election by a black male. The Catholic church is rumored to be interested in making his former residence a shrine. This house is vacant and is up for sale. True 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: They claim his maternal GRANDPARENTS were Mulatto..... True And since race is about Politics(social power) and Economics(financial power). In the US both historically and currently for the most part he would be considered and treated as black once his ancestry is publicly recognized and accepted. 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I'd hardly call that a "brother"...lol. you are within your personal rights to not call him a brother. 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: There are Italians with Blacker ancestry than him. First off every human being have African ancestry Yes they are many Europeans with African Ancestry....not necessarily blacker ancestry. Italians were not always considered white....and so were treated differently. To have Black Ancestry you must be a descendant of Enslaved Africans....Continental Africans who were colonized but not enslave are Africans. 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: BLACK is Black. Not 1/4 or 1/8 or even 1/2 in MY opinion. If you're not atleast 3/4....we're calling you something else. You are entitled to your own belief..... When your definition or ideas clash with that of the society you are living - you will experience some rude awakening or dissonance. when you reside in a larger society they often get label you and treat you accordingly....as per their agenda 5 hours ago, umbrarchist said: I did not watch the video....just responding to the title. He is not the first African Pope or Pope of African Ancestry.. Yes it says Black so it depends on your definition of Black.....Colored brown dark mixed biracial etc
Pioneer1 Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 Cynique Check out the second word in the above paragraph. The reason you posted the pictures was to show how the Italians in question "looked No. The reason I posted those pictures was in response to you implying that "no Italians" are Blacker than the current Pope. Those pictures of Italians...with strong African features...proves that some indeed are. frankster To have Black Ancestry you must be a descendant of Enslaved Africans....Continental Africans who were colonized but not enslave are Africans. You seem to be implying that there is a racial difference between "Blacks" and "Africans".
ProfD Posted May 10 Author Report Posted May 10 Lets wait and see if Pope Leo XIV self-identifies as a Black man. I seriously doubt that he will.
aka Contrarian Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 @Pioneer1 yeah, yeah, yeah, you're just doing what what you usually do in your desperate deviousness. I didn't imply that no Italians are blacker than the current pope. I said if, as you stated, they're blacker than the current Pope, they are not fully Italian and furthermore were probably in the same category as the Pope. And no more of your demands will be met. I refuse to waste anymore time splitting hairs on this issue.
Troy Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 1 hour ago, aka Contrarian said: So implicitly you are saying Italians look a certain way. Bingo. @Pioneer1 the key word here is implicit. 6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: There are Italians with Blacker ancestry than him. BLACK is Black. Not 1/4 or 1/8 or even 1/2 in MY opinion. If you're not atleast 3/4....we're calling you something else. Where did you get this definition of the Black race? Is this your opinion again? You do realize most ADOS have European, or so called "white" ancestry, right? You have in the past call people who to your reckoning are white, when they are ethnically Black. What makes your reasoning problematic is that you reject people who claim a Black ethnicity because don't like the way they look.
frankster Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 4 hours ago, ProfD said: The Pope definitely isn't Black. He's already American. We don't need to stake an additional claim to him. We do not know how Authentically Black he is...Being Real? Just sharing Ancestry and Having Dark Skin.....Does not meaning he is "Woke " and or Conscious. 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Some of our people will definitely hold fast to the "one drop" rule and just MAKE Leo a Black man anyway. "One Drop" is the standard and most popular historically used metric to decide delineate and define race....in the Racist/Racism World view. 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: They don't understand how dangerous the lie has become and how racists will use it to their advantage in ways they can't imagine Which and or What lie? 4 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: @Pioneer1If the Pope's maternal grand parents are mulatto, then there arent any Italians who are more black than him. Who are you to set the criteria for what constitutes blackness? People of color can identify with whatever blood runs in their veins and shows up in their DNA. The Blood is by way of Louisianna and Haiti 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster To have Black Ancestry you must be a descendant of Enslaved Africans....Continental Africans who were colonized but not enslave are Africans. You seem to be implying that there is a racial difference between "Blacks" and "Africans". No....not Racial. Both Blacks and Whites did not know they were Black or White till they Arrive in the West...and became Aware of the 'Ideology of Racism that governs Western Society. The difference is Singular Historical Experience - Transatlantic/Triangular Slave Trade/Route and its effects and purposes. Though we Share the MAAFA in Common 55 minutes ago, ProfD said: Lets wait and see if Pope Leo XIV self-identifies as a Black man. I seriously doubt that he will. He likely will.....Maybe not as directly as we would like.
Pioneer1 Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 ProfD Lets wait and see if Pope Leo XIV self-identifies as a Black man. I seriously doubt that he will I don't believe he will either, and I hope he doesn't. We don't need this "one drop" garbage getting more attention than it has to and spreading around the planet influencing how other non-Black people may start categorizing themselves. Especially when they recognize the benefits of being considered Black now and in the future. Cynique I didn't imply that no Italians are blacker than the current pope. I said -- Wait, hold on...HERE'S what you said: "If the Pope's maternal grand parents are mulatto, then there arent any Italians who are more black than him. " Your ONLY criteria for no Italians being more Black than the Pope was if both his maternal grand parents were mulatto ...and they were. So you basically said that no Italians were Blacker than the Pope. if, as you stated, they're blacker than the current Pope, they are not fully Italian and furthermore were probably in the same category as the Pope. ....and what do you mean by "fully Italian"???? *Message To The Young Black Men Lurking: After demanding that she do so, this 90+ year old woman said: "And no more of your demands will be met. I refuse to waste anymore time splitting hairs on this issue. " In other words, she actually DID meet some of my demands! Which goes to show you that no matter how young YOU are or how old the WOMAN is...a man is a man! Amen? (pun intended...lol) It tells you that if you're a man who stands on business...she has no choice BUT to submit. Bow down. And concede to your demands! Now you boys take that lesson with you through out your lives and you'll have every woman calling you "daddy" in no time! Troy Bingo. @Pioneer1 the key word here is implicit. I'll give you another "key word": STRAWMAN An intelligent exchange should be over what each party ACTUALLY SAID, not over what they "implied" or what you WANT them to say but they won't....so you'll just make up something and pin it on them anyway to have something valid to argue against. Where did you get this definition of the Black race? What definition? I don't recall offering any definitions except to say that Black is Black. You do realize most ADOS have European, or so called "white" ancestry, right? You have in the past call people who to your reckoning are white, when they are ethnically Black. What makes your reasoning problematic is that you reject people who claim a Black ethnicity because don't like the way they look. ADOS is an ethnicity but Black isn't an ethnicity, it's a race. Race IS about genetics....which often includes looks. frankster "One Drop" is the standard and most popular historically used metric to decide delineate and define race....in the Racist/Racism World view. We can acknowledge it, but we don't have to accept it. Which and or What lie? That "one drop" of Black blood or any Black ancestry makes one Black. That's false. No....not Racial. Both Blacks and Whites did not know they were Black or White till they Arrive in the West...and became Aware of the 'Ideology of Racism that governs Western Society . Seeing as how Whites went out of their way to leave Europe and go to Africa to get people to enslaved, they obviously saw a difference between themselves and Africans...regardless as to the terms they may have used for those differences.
frankster Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 13 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster "One Drop" is the standard and most popular historically used metric to decide delineate and define race....in the Racist/Racism World view. We can acknowledge it, but we don't have to accept it. I do not accept..."one drop" I also do not accept the idea of races 13 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Which and or What lie? That "one drop" of Black blood or any Black ancestry makes one Black. That's false. Every human being has African blood 13 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: No....not Racial. Both Blacks and Whites did not know they were Black or White till they Arrive in the West...and became Aware of the 'Ideology of Racism that governs Western Society . Seeing as how Whites went out of their way to leave Europe and go to Africa to get people to enslaved, they obviously saw a difference between themselves and Africans...regardless as to the terms they may have used for those differences. Yes they did.....we Africans are dark and they are pale etc.... The word slave was first applied to Europeans of the Slavic ethnicity.. Nearly every ethnic group has been enslave at one point or the other throughout history.... Romans enslaved the Britons at one point....The Britons/British Indentured the Irish and Welsh The Ottomans and The Arabs enslaved Europeans and Africans
Pioneer1 Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 frankster What's the difference....in your opinion...between RACE and ETHNIC GROUP?
frankster Posted May 12 Report Posted May 12 17 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster What's the difference....in your opinion...between RACE and ETHNIC GROUP? Race is a social Construct externally imposed....based on phenotype and place of origin - esp skin color hair texture and physical features. Ethnicity is self imposed group identity of people who share a common culture heritage history and often share common set of blood lines(kinship) There is no biological basis for race.... Are Republicans and Democrats different races? Is there a French race or Spanish race? Does the difference in eye or hair color signify racial differences?
Pioneer1 Posted May 12 Report Posted May 12 frankster Ethnicity is self imposed group identity of people who share a common culture heritage history and often share common set of blood lines(kinship) Since it's based on culture, heritage, and history.... Do you believe that ETHNICITY is a "social construct" also? There is no biological basis for race.... Quote Merriam-Webster https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › race May 1, 2025 — : any one of the groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits regarded as common among people of shared ancestry. Physical traits are usually determined by biology unless they were altered. Are Republicans and Democrats different races? No Is there a French race or Spanish race? No Does the difference in eye or hair color signify racial differences Possibly.
ProfD Posted May 12 Author Report Posted May 12 @Pioneer1, per the definition cited above, "groups that humans are often divided into..." is the reason many people refer to race as a social construct. Early social scientists assigned race on the following basic skin colors...white, black, red, yellow and brown. Other than Black or white, most folks don't refer to themselves by their skin color i.e. race.
Pioneer1 Posted May 12 Report Posted May 12 5 minutes ago, ProfD said: @Pioneer1, per the definition cited above, "groups that humans are often divided into..." is the reason many people refer to race as a social construct. Early social scientists assigned race on the following basic skin colors...white, black, red, yellow and brown. Other than Black or white, most folks don't refer to themselves by their skin color i.e. race i.e. red, yellow or brown. I understand. A "social construct" is simply something society constructed as it's basic meaning.
frankster Posted May 13 Report Posted May 13 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Ethnicity is self imposed group identity of people who share a common culture heritage history and often share common set of blood lines(kinship) Since it's based on culture, heritage, and history.... Do you believe that ETHNICITY is a "social construct" also? Yes....with roots in biology 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: There is no biological basis for race.... Physical traits are usually determined by biology unless they were altered. Are Republicans and Democrats different races? No All Physical traits of humanity can be found among Africans....Most traits are shared among all humans regardsless of ancestry 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Is there a French race or Spanish race? No Why are they not two different races? 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Does the difference in eye or hair color signify racial differences Possibly. how
Troy Posted May 13 Report Posted May 13 On 5/10/2025 at 1:34 PM, frankster said: "One Drop" is the standard and most popular historically used metric to decide delineate and define race....in the Racist/Racism World view. Thank you. @Pioneer1 has his own definition. On 5/11/2025 at 11:15 AM, Pioneer1 said: Race IS about genetics This flawed belief is what is confusing you. Nothing I, or even a geneticist, can say will make sense to you. On 5/11/2025 at 12:20 PM, frankster said: Every human being has African blood Pioneer knows this, but he rejects the implications of this fact. @Pioneer1 do you realize there are more genetic differences between people within a so-called race than between them?
Pioneer1 Posted May 13 Report Posted May 13 frankster Yes....with roots in biology What part of culture, heritage, or history is rooted in biology? Why are they not two different races? Since race is primarily based on PHYSICAL TRAITS, what PHYSICAL TRAITS differ between the French and Spanish that would qualify them as 2 different races? how Because eye color and hair color...if natural...are PHYSICAL TRAITS that can be passed down genetically and shared by the same group of people. The very definition of race. Troy This flawed belief is what is confusing you. Quote Merriam-Webster https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › race May 1, 2025 — : any one of the groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits regarded as common among people of shared ancestry. Since they clearly see different races as a REALITY and have defined it, are those who compiled this dictionary "confused" as well? do you realize there are more genetic differences between people within a so-called race than between them? I'm not sure but here's the definition of Race according to the dictionary: Quote Merriam-Webster https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › race May 1, 2025 — : any one of the groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits regarded as common among people of shared ancestry. Race is a FACT and it's clearly defined.
frankster Posted May 14 Report Posted May 14 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Yes....with roots in biology What part of culture, heritage, or history is rooted in biology? I did define ethnicity earlier....making this point irrelevant. here it is again: "Ethnicity is self imposed group identity of people who share a common culture heritage history and often share common set of blood lines(kinship)" 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Why are they not two different races? Since race is primarily based on PHYSICAL TRAITS, what PHYSICAL TRAITS differ between the French and Spanish that would qualify them as 2 different races? Meaning number 4 from the link you so graciously provided states the following where in even one membership in a specific profession can be categories as a race below the definition you will see some examples of Context and Uses. : a group of people sharing some habit or characteristic (such as profession or belief) … the whole race of politicians put together.—Jonathan Swift The Apostles, though they were fishers too, were of the solemn race of sea-fishers …—Henry David Thoreau … the race of domestic clowns or jesters, maintained in the houses of the wealthy …—Sir Walter Scott … to become a Dissenter seemed to him identical with choosing God instead of mammon. That race of Dissenters is extinct in these days, when opinion has got far ahead of feeling …—George Eliot … our daughters haunt the town as if searching for something they missed, walking up beside the rocks with books in their arms like a race of little nuns.—John Updike 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: how Because eye color and hair color...if natural...are PHYSICAL TRAITS that can be passed down genetically and shared by the same group of people. The very definition of race. Yes....So when black parents birth an albino....is that child of the "white Race"? 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Troy This flawed belief is what is confusing you. Since they clearly see different races as a REALITY and have defined it, are those who compiled this dictionary "confused" as well? No...you are. 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: do you realize there are more genetic differences between people within a so-called race than between them? I'm not sure but here's the definition of Race according to the dictionary: Race is a FACT and it's clearly defined. Yes....that is the definition of race as a Social Construct... Race is not a biological fact .......but it is a Social fact Eugenists tried and failed to prove race genetically.... All humans share 99% the same genes....so we are alike than we differ Now if you had only read further down on your own link you would have found the biological definition of race....think it was no.3 biology : a group within a species that is distinguishable (as morphologically, genetically, or behaviorally) from others of the same species https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/race
Pioneer1 Posted May 14 Report Posted May 14 frankster Meaning number 4 from the link you so graciously provided states the following where in even one membership in a specific profession can be categories as a race French and Spanish aren't professions, they are cultures/languages, but since you introduced THAT definition to the discussion the question still remains: What...in your opinion...would qualify French and Spanish as being 2 separate races? Yes....So when black parents birth an albino....is that child of the "white Race"? No, because albinism is a DEFECT. THEY may be White but they don't come from a White ancestry. Yes....that is the definition of race as a Social Construct... The definition of a Social Construct you said you didn't accept: Quote Sunday at 12:20 PM I also do not accept the idea of races But you want to call OTHERS "confused"...lol. Race is not a biological fact ... Quote Merriam-Webster https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › race any one of the groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits regarded as common among people of shared ancestry. Physical traits shared by people of common ancestry is a matter of GENETICS...i.e.....BIOLOGY. but it is a Social fact But you said on Sunday at 12:20 PM: Quote I also do not accept the idea of races How can an idea that you "don't accept" now be a "social fact"? Are you confused? Is it the sticky green? Eugenists tried and failed to prove race genetically.... Maybe they were trying TOO hard....lol. If THAT'S all they were trying to do, maybe they should have just grabbed the nearest dictionary.... Quote Merriam-Webster https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › race any one of the groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits regarded as common among people of shared ancestry.
frankster Posted May 14 Report Posted May 14 9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Meaning number 4 from the link you so graciously provided states the following where in even one membership in a specific profession can be categories as a race French and Spanish aren't professions, they are cultures/languages, but since you introduced THAT definition to the discussion the question still remains: What...in your opinion...would qualify French and Spanish as being 2 separate races? They are a two groups of people each sharing their own characteristic and or beliefs..... this fulfills the requirement of meaning #4 My new question is are politicians as a group a race? 9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Yes....So when black parents birth an albino....is that child of the "white Race"? No, because albinism is a DEFECT. THEY may be White but they don't come from a White ancestry. So you are saying that now white skinned blue eyed blonde haired child is still of the Black Race? So if that child of black parents then marries a woman with albinism....and has a child with albinism is that child now of the white race? 9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Yes....that is the definition of race as a Social Construct... The definition of a Social Construct you said you didn't accept: Please show were I said I did not accept Race as a Social Construct....? 9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: But you want to call OTHERS "confused"...lol. Race is not a biological fact ... Physical traits shared by people of common ancestry is a matter of GENETICS...i.e.....BIOLOGY. The African Ethnicities/Black race has every human traits in its genetic diversity...none is exclusive to any socalled race 9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: but it is a Social fact But you said on Sunday at 12:20 PM: How can an idea that you "don't accept" now be a "social fact"? Social Construct are ideas and beliefs that people can agree to or believe.....I choose not to agree to it Other members of society may and do agree....and will enforce it in practice - as I result it holds as a fact in thoses societies. Social Construct are not Fixed or Universal And I said in my definition of Race on Monday at 7:19 Race is a social Construct 9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Are you confused? Is it the sticky green? I gave you my definition....race is a social construct You are the one who did not read the full definition provided in your own link 9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Eugenists tried and failed to prove race genetically.... Maybe they were trying TOO hard....lol. If THAT'S all they were trying to do, maybe they should have just grabbed the nearest dictionary.... It would not suffice....cause the dictionary no longer supports Human Races as Biology(genetics)
Pioneer1 Posted May 15 Report Posted May 15 frankster They are a two groups of people each sharing their own characteristic and or beliefs..... this fulfills the requirement of meaning #4 My new question is are politicians as a group a race? Lol... Why are you asking a question that YOU apparently have already answered? So you are saying that now white skinned blue eyed blonde haired child is still of the Black Race? No, that's not what I'm saying. So if that child of black parents then marries a woman with albinism....and has a child They don't need to "get married" to have a child, you know. Just FYI....lol. and has a child with albinism is that child now of the white race? No, because albinism is a DEFECT. Races aren't a result of defectiveness. Please show were I said I did not accept Race as a Social Construct....? You said: I also do not accept the idea of races That INCLUDED all the various categories and modes, lol. If you would have made that distinction from the beginning, you would have had a case. But you didn't...so you don't. Social Construct are ideas and beliefs that people can agree to or believe.....I choose not to agree to it AGREEMENT and ACCEPTANCE are two separate concepts. You can accept something that you don't agree with. A man can ACCEPT that his wife left him, without agreeing with her action. You said you didn't ACCEPT it. It wasn't actual or real as far as you were concerned, although the dictionary proves that it absolutely is. I gave you my definition....race is a social construct Problem is, you aren't in a position to make official definitions. YOUR definition may be erroneous and not based on facts and logic but based on emotion and wishful thinking. You are the one who did not read the full definition provided in your own link I didn't need to. You claimed that you didn't accept the idea of races and I wanted to show you that you were in error so all I HAD to do was present a definition clearly defining races as categories for people....and my job was done. Accept your error and move on. It would not suffice....cause the dictionary no longer supports Human Races as Biology(genetics) Wrong again Check out the 3rd definition: Quote 3 biology : a group within a species that is distinguishable (as morphologically, genetically, or behaviorally) from others of the same species https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/race
frankster Posted May 16 Report Posted May 16 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster They are a two groups of people each sharing their own characteristic and or beliefs..... this fulfills the requirement of meaning #4 My new question is are politicians as a group a race? Lol... Why are you asking a question that YOU apparently have already answered? Because I would like to know how it fits in your idea of Races having to do with biology and ancestry.... especially since politician are black white and other... 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: So you are saying that now white skinned blue eyed blonde haired child is still of the Black Race? No, that's not what I'm saying. Then what are you saying? 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: So if that child of black parents then marries a woman with albinism....and has a child They don't need to "get married" to have a child, you know. Just FYI....lol. Thanks 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: and has a child with albinism is that child now of the white race? No, because albinism is a DEFECT. Races aren't a result of defectiveness. How do you know it isn't? After all according to science all human originated out of Africa or from the Black Race 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Please show were I said I did not accept Race as a Social Construct....? You said: I also do not accept the idea of races That INCLUDED all the various categories and modes, lol. Thats not the same as saying....Race is not a social construct - now who is seeing things that isn't there? I do not accept the idea of Races....just as you do not accept the one drop but acknowledge it. 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If you would have made that distinction from the beginning, you would have had a case. But you didn't...so you don't. If that is the criteria....you are using - you loose I have stated my definition of race .........before you contested it - you are late .....so it stands. 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Social Construct are ideas and beliefs that people can agree to or believe.....I choose not to agree to it AGREEMENT and ACCEPTANCE are two separate concepts. You can accept something that you don't agree with. A man can ACCEPT that his wife left him, without agreeing with her action. You said you didn't ACCEPT it. It wasn't actual or real as far as you were concerned, although the dictionary proves that it absolutely is. I said it is a social construct and as such it is a fact....enforce by those who believe accept and or agree 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I gave you my definition....race is a social construct Problem is, you aren't in a position to make official definitions. YOUR definition may be erroneous and not based on facts and logic but based on emotion and wishful thinking. It is in fact the official definition 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: You are the one who did not read the full definition provided in your own link I didn't need to. You claimed that you didn't accept the idea of races and I wanted to show you that you were in error so all I HAD to do was present a definition clearly defining races as categories for people....and my job was done. Accept your error and move on. Your link clearly shows politicians as a race.....and I know for a fact that all politicians are not white or black 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: It would not suffice....cause the dictionary no longer supports Human Races as Biology(genetics) Wrong again Check out the 3rd definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/race Humans are 99% the same....in short one cannot distinguish between African/Blacks and Europeans/whites genetically. of that 1% difference....the widest variation is among Africans
Pioneer1 Posted May 17 Report Posted May 17 frankster Because I would like to know how it fits in your idea of Races having to do with biology and ancestry.... especially since politician are black white and other... It DOESN'T fit 1 a definition of RACE. But it DOES fit the 4th definition which is now considered archaic: Quote a group of people sharing some habit or characteristic (such as profession or belief) Then what are you saying? Right now I'm not SAYING anything....lol....I'm typing. How do you know it isn't? How do you know it IS? We can play this game all day. After all according to science all human originated out of Africa or from the Black Race But according to them, the racial changes were as a result of MUTATION...not DEFECTION. I may be in error however it is my CURRENT understanding that mutation is caused when NORMAL genes that be recessive for some reason become dominant and that particular trait becomes a dominant trait; where as DEFECTION is when there is something wrong with the gene itself causing a change. Thats not the same as saying....Race is not a social construct No, when you say that you don't accept the idea of races....that covers IT ALL. You didn't make any specifications. I said it is a social construct You say that AFTER the fact that you initially said you didn't accept the idea....period. Humans are 99% the same....in short one cannot distinguish between African/Blacks and Europeans/whites genetically. of that 1% difference....the widest variation is among Africans Yeah? So what does that have to do with race being BIOLOGICAL and GENETIC when you said the dictionary no longer supports that idea?
frankster Posted May 17 Report Posted May 17 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Because I would like to know how it fits in your idea of Races having to do with biology and ancestry.... especially since politician are black white and other... It DOESN'T fit 1 a definition of RACE. But it DOES fit the 4th definition which is now considered archaic: Thank you we are making progress. 1a. any one of the groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits regarded as common among people of shared ancestry What does Regard means : a protective interest Regarded does not mean true or factual beyond a group or person's self interest....curated construct/concept In reality there is no truth that what is referred to as Races has anything in common that is exclusive themselves as regards to human physical traits....Black/African has all human traits - all humans are Africans 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Then what are you saying? Right now I'm not SAYING anything....lol....I'm typing. Just as a thought... Saying means to express in words....you typing words that's saying 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: How do you know it isn't? How do you know it IS? We can play this game all day. Because I know it is... You would be playing with yourself all day 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: After all according to science all human originated out of Africa or from the Black Race But according to them, the racial changes were as a result of MUTATION...not DEFECTION. I may be in error however it is my CURRENT understanding that mutation is caused when NORMAL genes that be recessive for some reason become dominant and that particular trait becomes a dominant trait; where as DEFECTION is when there is something wrong with the gene itself causing a change. Defect is a strong word with negative connotation....Change or Variation is nuetral - A defect in gene expression and or production is a mutation....in this case melanin 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Thats not the same as saying....Race is not a social construct No, when you say that you don't accept the idea of races....that covers IT ALL. You didn't make any specifications. For the last time... I recognize race as a social construct..... I do not accept or agree with the idea of Races....which is what we are discussing. I do not have to specify each and every time....once is enough. 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: I said it is a social construct You say that AFTER the fact that you initially said you didn't accept the idea....period. I still do not accept the idea of Race Especially the way you think of it and define it 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Humans are 99% the same....in short one cannot distinguish between African/Blacks and Europeans/whites genetically. of that 1% difference....the widest variation is among Africans Yeah? So what does that have to do with race being BIOLOGICAL and GENETIC when you said the dictionary no longer supports that idea? That there is One Human Race....genetically and biologically
Pioneer1 Posted May 17 Report Posted May 17 frankster Thank you we are making progress. I'm not sure if cutting off all roads leaving you no choice BUT to acknowledge the reality of race -should be considered "progress", lol. But atleast you're finally accepting it. What does Regard means : a protective interest Regarded does not mean true or factual beyond a group or person's self interest....curated construct/concept In reality there is no truth that what is referred to as Races has anything in common that is exclusive themselves as regards to human physical traits....Black/African has all human traits - all humans are Africans Are these YOUR words, or are you quoting someone? Because I know it is... So you went from not accepting the idea of race at all, to now "knowing" that different races are a result of defects? Wow..... You would be playing with yourself all day Haven't "played with" myself all day since I was a teenager, lol. Defect is a strong word with negative connotation....Change or Variation is nuetral - But they aren't the same. Defect and change and variation are NOT the same. Having a different VARIATION of an electric razor isn't the same as having a DEFECTIVE one that explodes when you plug it in...lol. A defect in gene expression and or production is a mutation....in this case melanin A defect in a gene can express itself as a mutation but all mutations aren't caused by defective gene expression. That there is One Human Race....genetically and biologically If you say so....
frankster Posted May 18 Report Posted May 18 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Thank you we are making progress. I'm not sure if cutting off all roads leaving you no choice BUT to acknowledge the reality of race -should be considered "progress", lol. But atleast you're finally accepting it. You are not only in denial.....you are delusional 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: What does Regard means : a protective interest Regarded does not mean true or factual beyond a group or person's self interest....curated construct/concept In reality there is no truth that what is referred to as Races has anything in common that is exclusive themselves as regards to human physical traits....Black/African has all human traits - all humans are Africans Are these YOUR words, or are you quoting someone? Both My words that are consistent with the use and meaning of Regard 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Because I know it is... So you went from not accepting the idea of race at all, to now "knowing" that different races are a result of defects? Wow..... No not races.....Variation in human groups/phenotype are based on diet geography climate and culture. 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: You would be playing with yourself all day Haven't "played with" myself all day since I was a teenager, lol. never too late to start over. 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Defect is a strong word with negative connotation....Change or Variation is nuetral - But they aren't the same. Defect and change and variation are NOT the same. Having a different VARIATION of an electric razor isn't the same as having a DEFECTIVE one that explodes when you plug it in...lol. Hence the reason a prefer variation/mutation than defect. 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: A defect in gene expression and or production is a mutation....in this case melanin A defect in a gene can express itself as a mutation but all mutations aren't caused by defective gene expression. Not all mutations are defects... Defects implies maladaptive and harmful 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: That there is One Human Race....genetically and biologically If you say so.... I do say so....and I am not alone
Pioneer1 Posted May 18 Report Posted May 18 frankster You are not only in denial.....you are delusional LOL..look who's talkng. Mr. Seeing Words That Aren't There. Both My words that are consistent with the use and meaning of Regard So you agree with that statement that you quoted and that I'm referring to about ALL humans being African? No not races.....Variation in human groups/phenotype are based on diet geography climate and culture. Thank you for clarifying. Hence the reason a prefer variation/mutation than defect. Not all mutations are defects... Defects implies maladaptive and harmful Which is one of the reasons I don't consider an Albino...which is a DEFECT...of a different race than their parents. I do say so....and I am not alone If you were to believe Kim Jong Un the leader of North Korea was immortal...you wouldn't be alone either. You'd be INCORRECT...lol...but you wouldn't be alone.
frankster Posted May 18 Report Posted May 18 6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster You are not only in denial.....you are delusional LOL..look who's talkng. Mr. Seeing Words That Aren't There. As I said delusional.. 6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Both My words that are consistent with the use and meaning of Regard So you agree with that statement that you quoted and that I'm referring to about ALL humans being African? All humans are African by descent 6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: No not races.....Variation in human groups/phenotype are based on diet geography climate and culture. Thank you for clarifying. you are welcome 6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Hence the reason a prefer variation/mutation than defect. Not all mutations are defects... Defects implies maladaptive and harmful Which is one of the reasons I don't consider an Albino...which is a DEFECT...of a different race than their parents. We are in agreement that they are the same race... We differ on the idea that there are races..... 6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I do say so....and I am not alone If you were to believe Kim Jong Un the leader of North Korea was immortal...you wouldn't be alone either. You'd be INCORRECT...lol...but you wouldn't be alone.
Pioneer1 Posted May 18 Report Posted May 18 4 hours ago, frankster said: All humans are African by descent We are in agreement that they are the same race... We differ on the idea that there are races..... So if you don't believe there are RACES (plural) what did you mean when you said: Friday at 05:31 AM Quote After all according to science all human originated out of Africa or from the Black Race You clearly distinguished Black as a "race". Unless you are saying that the Black race is the ONLY race....this surely suggests that there are others.
frankster Posted May 19 Report Posted May 19 17 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: So if you don't believe there are RACES (plural) what did you mean when you said: Friday at 05:31 AM You clearly distinguished Black as a "race". Unless you are saying that the Black race is the ONLY race....this surely suggests that there are others. There is Only one Race....that is the Human Race - in which there is many slight variations in phenotype. Most obvious variation being color....colour wise no human being is Black white red or yellow - though it appears as if they are They are really just different shades and hues of Brown(amount of melanin) or amount of exposure to sun adaptation. I recognize that Races is a social construct.... In Racist places and spaces.....especial for you and people like you Who believe and accept race as a biological and genetic fact....I will use the terms race and races So if I use the word/s Black race and or white race race or races it is to facilaitate communication with people who live racialized or Racist world view and accept as biology the idea of Race/s as a form of speciation of humanity
Pioneer1 Posted May 19 Report Posted May 19 frankster There is Only one Race....that is the Human Race And in what dictionary did you get that definition or reference? In Merriam-Webster it says: Quote https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › race any one of the groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits regarded as common among people of shared ancestry One of the GROUPS...PLURAL. Meaning there are MORE THAN ONE races. .especial for you and people like you You mean people who READ the actual definition of things instead of making up definitions based on their wishful thinking???? Who believe and accept race as a biological and genetic fact Apparently I'm not the only one because according to the DICTIONARY One of the definitions of race: Quote 3 biology : a group within a species that is distinguishable (as morphologically, genetically, or behaviorally) from others of the same species https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/race Literally BOTH the terms....biology and genetically...that you questioned, are actually used IN the definition of race! ....I will use the terms race and rac So if I use the word/s Black race and or white race race or races it is to facilaitate communication with people who live racialized or Racist world view and accept as biology the idea of Race/s as a form of speciation of humanity In other words, since it's part of REALITY...you'll go ahead and entertain the terms? I appreciate that. Thank you for keeping the wishful thinking (that all of humanity is apparently part of one big umbrella African race) to a minimum.
frankster Posted May 20 Report Posted May 20 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster There is Only one Race....that is the Human Race And in what dictionary did you get that definition or reference? In Merriam-Webster it says: One of the GROUPS...PLURAL. Meaning there are MORE THAN ONE races. Yes like a races of politicians....Republicans and Democrats are two different races - thats rhetorical We have been over this already 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: .especial for you and people like you You mean people who READ the actual definition of things instead of making up definitions based on their wishful thinking???? No....people who do not understand what they are reading. 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Who believe and accept race as a biological and genetic fact Apparently I'm not the only one because according to the DICTIONARY One of the definitions of race: Literally BOTH the terms....biology and genetically...that you questioned, are actually used IN the definition of race! Yes please look up the word "distinguishable" and the "regard" Tell me what you find and provide link. 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: ....I will use the terms race and rac So if I use the word/s Black race and or white race race or races it is to facilaitate communication with people who live racialized or Racist world view and accept as biology the idea of Race/s as a form of speciation of humanity In other words, since it's part of REALITY...you'll go ahead and entertain the terms? I appreciate that. Thank you for keeping the wishful thinking (that all of humanity is apparently part of one big umbrella African race) to a minimum. Wow! you are so confused.....you can read but you definetly have a problem with comprehension... everytime I think we are getting somewhere you take a step backwards.... talk about fighting ignorance and confusion....its one hell of a internal battle for you - lucky for you I am here to help The best part is it is a work of love for me....the struggle for enlightenment continues - see you soon
Pioneer1 Posted May 20 Report Posted May 20 frankster Yes like a races of politicians....Republicans and Democrats are two different races - thats rhetorical We have been over this already No no, MY question wasn't rhetorical...it was sincere. You said there was only ONE race, but the Webster dictionary that I've been quoting from suggests that there are multiple. I'd like to know what credible reference told YOU that there was only "one" race???? Wow! you are so confused.....you can read but you definetly have a problem with comprehension... It took you....I don't know how long...to finally admit to the REALITY of race. For a while you were saying you didn't even accept the IDEA of it. Finally accepting it....but you want to sit up and call somebody else "confused"??? talk about fighting ignorance and confusion....its one hell of a internal battle for you - lucky for you I am here to help Lol.... How are you going to help ME when you're going through a battle YOURSELF....with a weed habit???? see you soon Through glossy red eyes?
ProfD Posted May 21 Author Report Posted May 21 The latest Pope Mobile is a $500k Mercedes-Benz G Wagon electric vehicle. Considering that Jesus had to walk everywhere, it looks like the church has come a long way. 1
Pioneer1 Posted May 21 Report Posted May 21 29 minutes ago, ProfD said: Considering that Jesus had to walk ??? Lol...you mean Kanye West wasn't lying when he sang "Jesus Walks"? 1
ProfD Posted May 21 Author Report Posted May 21 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: ??? Lol...you mean Kanye West wasn't lying when he sang "Jesus Walks"? He wasn't standing up in and being driven around in an electric MB G-Wagon.
frankster Posted May 21 Report Posted May 21 8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Yes like a races of politicians....Republicans and Democrats are two different races - thats rhetorical We have been over this already No no, MY question wasn't rhetorical...it was sincere. You said there was only ONE race, but the Webster dictionary that I've been quoting from suggests that there are multiple. I'd like to know what credible reference told YOU that there was only "one" race???? Yes Politicans are a race..... … the whole race of politicians put together. Etnicities and Nations are also..... The Yorkshire type had always been the strongest of the British strains; the Norwegian and the Dane were a different race from the Saxon. Boys are a race... Nan denounced the entire race of boys as "plaguey things." https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/race 8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Wow! you are so confused.....you can read but you definetly have a problem with comprehension... It took you....I don't know how long...to finally admit to the REALITY of race. For a while you were saying you didn't even accept the IDEA of it. Finally accepting it....but you want to sit up and call somebody else "confused"??? I have maintain from the start that race is a social construct....and they are as real as the society they inhabit . Race is not genetic Your battle with confusion stems from your self delusion and denial Sure in your definition all politicians belong to one race....the race of politicians 8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: talk about fighting ignorance and confusion....its one hell of a internal battle for you - lucky for you I am here to help Lol.... How are you going to help ME when you're going through a battle YOURSELF....with a weed habit???? No...I am not battle a weed habit...I embrace my herb smoking Like many herbs weed has many benefits.....of course you would not know that - And I understand that You have a lot on your plate....Have no fear I am here and should carry on the these discussion with me - I will rid you of your ignorance That shoul clear up a lot of your confusion 8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: see you soon Through glossy red eyes Why !!!.....Of Course
Pioneer1 Posted May 22 Report Posted May 22 frankster First you say: There is Only one Race. Now you're saying: Yes Politicans are a race..... Etnicities and Nations are also..... Boys are a race... -First you declared that you didn't accept the idea of race. -Then you say there is only ONE race....the human "race" -Now you're listing several different races. Delivery drivers are a race. Postal workers are a race. Prostitutes are a race. Now you wanna get buck wild with it, lol. You're sitting up there contradicting yourself, but you want to call OTHER people "confused"...lol. Race is not genetic Man, I GAVE you a definition of race that supports it being genetically based, several times. No need for me to keep posting it because you and everyone else has seen it. You just said BOYS are a race, didn't you??? Isn't that genetic??? At this point, you're just in denial.
frankster Posted May 23 Report Posted May 23 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster First you say: There is Only one Race. Now you're saying: Yes Politicans are a race..... Etnicities and Nations are also..... Boys are a race... No....friend it is your link that I am quoting and paraphrasing.. 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: -First you declared that you didn't accept the idea of race. Please provide the link and quote 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: -Then you say there is only ONE race....the human "race" I have always maintained that... 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: -Now you're listing several different races. Delivery drivers are a race. Postal workers are a race. Prostitutes are a race. Now you wanna get buck wild with it, lol. You're sitting up there contradicting yourself, but you want to call OTHER people "confused"...lol. No dude I was paraphrasing of your link... Neither do I remember saying anything about delivery drivers postal workers prostitutes.....seems you are learning the proper use of the word. 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Race is not genetic Man, I GAVE you a definition of race that supports it being genetically based, several times. No need for me to keep posting it because you and everyone else has seen it. You obviously do not know the meaning of the word "distinguishable" This is one of those teachable moments.....please look up the word "Distinguishable" as usual provide link and quote...so we can split that hair 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: You just said BOYS are a race, didn't you??? Isn't that genetic??? Nope ....the dictionary said that - I did not .....I only paraphrase the dictionary. Yes ....all boys are part of the Human race They are not part of separate races 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: At this point, you're just in denial. The only denial I am in is that I think you can learn
Pioneer1 Posted May 24 Report Posted May 24 frankster No....friend it is your link that I am quoting and paraphrasing.. That link is to THE definition of race. Do you disagree with it? And again, where is your source that officially declares that there is only ONE race? I showed you MY source for accepting the idea of multiple races...what is YOUR source for rejecting it? The entire IDEA of "race" is built on the accepted FACT that there are multiple categories to choose from! Hell, that would be like someone asking you what's your favorite flavor of ice cream and you declare there is only ONE FLAVOR....and that's the "ice cream flavor".
frankster Posted May 24 Report Posted May 24 8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster No....friend it is your link that I am quoting and paraphrasing.. That link is to THE definition of race. Do you disagree with it? Yes...because the definition given is dealing with race as a social construct ....not race as a result of genetic differences. Do you believe that all politicians constitute a race that is distinguishable from all other human being genetically? 8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: And again, where is your source that officially declares that there is only ONE race? I showed you MY source for accepting the idea of multiple races...what is YOUR source for rejecting it? " The completion of the Human Genome Project in 2003 confirmed humans are 99.9% identical at the DNA level and there is no genetic basis for race. " https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8604262/#:~:text=sapiens sapiens (Box 1).,than between them [2]. 8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The entire IDEA of "race" is built on the accepted FACT that there are multiple categories to choose from! Hell, that would be like someone asking you what's your favorite flavor of ice cream and you declare there is only ONE FLAVOR....and that's the "ice cream flavor". Your example is flawed it is more like people saying that different flavored ice cream is not ice cream..... because one is vanilla and the other is chocolate. 8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
Pioneer1 Posted May 25 Report Posted May 25 frankster Yes...because - Doesn't matter why. You disagree with the official and popularly accepted dictionary (Merriam Webster) definition of race. Not much I can do with you there. You're entitled to accept and reject what you like. However this comes close to you basically making up YOUR OWN definitions and living in your own Reality. Which again..is your right...but don't expect ME or anyone else to follow you there. Your example is flawed it is more like people saying that different flavored ice cream is not ice cream..... because one is vanilla and the other is chocolate. No, my analogy was on point. Humans = Ice Cream Races = Flavors Your belief is that the OBVIOUSLY different flavors of ice cream shouldn't be labeled or even recognized. Your argument is that because almost all ice cream is made up of milk, cream, and sugar which constitute over 90% of it's ingredients -then the different flavors shouldn't be recognized or categorized.
frankster Posted May 26 Report Posted May 26 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Yes...because - Doesn't matter why. You disagree with the official and popularly accepted dictionary (Merriam Webster) definition of race. Not much I can do with you there. You're entitled to accept and reject what you like. However this comes close to you basically making up YOUR OWN definitions and living in your own Reality. Which again..is your right...but don't expect ME or anyone else to follow you there. Not even you believe that crap you just typed... 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Your example is flawed it is more like people saying that different flavored ice cream is not ice cream..... because one is vanilla and the other is chocolate. No, my analogy was on point. Humans = Ice Cream Races = Flavors Your belief is that the OBVIOUSLY different flavors of ice cream shouldn't be labeled or even recognized. Your argument is that because almost all ice cream is made up of milk, cream, and sugar which constitute over 90% of it's ingredients -then the different flavors shouldn't be recognized or categorized. No dude..... There are many flavors of ice cream...even though they be different flavors and colors they still ice cream I am recognizing....That they are many flavors of ice cream - Variety = variations which are ethnicities.... Different flavors or colors of ice cream do not make them sorbet/shrebet.....they still ice cream
Troy Posted May 26 Report Posted May 26 On 5/24/2025 at 3:54 PM, frankster said: The completion of the Human Genome Project in 2003 confirmed humans are 99.9% identical at the DNA level and there is no genetic basis for race. " https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8604262/#:~:text=sapiens sapiens (Box 1).,than between them [2]. @Pioneer1 do continue reject the science in favor of your personal experience?
Pioneer1 Posted May 26 Report Posted May 26 frankster Not even you believe that crap you just typed... It's not a matter of belief, but a matter of knowledge. There are many flavors of ice cream...even though they be different flavors and colors they still ice cream What are you talking about? That's the point I JUST MADE...lol. I am recognizing....That they are many flavors of ice cream - Variety = variations which are ethnicities.... You're calling those varieties/variations "ethnicities". I'm calling them "races". Maybe the "ethnicity" analogy would be more fitting for the different ways that ice cream is actually MADE. However the "race" analogy" is more fitting for how the different varieties of ice cream LOOK, and what they TASTE and SMELL like. Troy @Pioneer1 do continue reject the science in favor of your personal experience? According to Merriam-Webster the definition of Race: Quote May 1, 2025 — : any one of the groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits regarded as common among people of shared ancestry. 3 biology : a group within a species that is distinguishable (as morphologically, genetically, or behaviorally) from others of the same species https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › race Those definitions for race were valid as late as May 1st of this year. So atleast one of the definitions of race IS scientific as it deals with biology and genetics. I'm sure those who compiled those definitions didn't JUST rely on their personal experiences, lol.
frankster Posted May 26 Report Posted May 26 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Not even you believe that crap you just typed... It's not a matter of belief, but a matter of knowledge. Ok..... even you know that that is not true 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: There are many flavors of ice cream...even though they be different flavors and colors they still ice cream What are you talking about? That's the point I JUST MADE...lol. The different flavors or colors do not make them not ice cream....because all ice cream has flavor. if it had no flavor it would be....ice shaved ice or frozen slushie snow cone ice The cream provide both texture and flavor...What you call ice cream flavor is what makes ice cream ice cream - it is in every ice cream Hell, that would be like someone asking you what's your favorite flavor of ice cream and you declare there is only ONE FLAVOR....and that's the "ice cream flavor". 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I am recognizing....That they are many flavors of ice cream - Variety = variations which are ethnicities.... You're calling those varieties/variations "ethnicities". I'm calling them "races". I call them ethnicities because what causes the differences are added or in other words environmental impacts. Races is a social construct and has no basis in genetics. One cannot differentiate one so called race from the other with any scientific definiteness.... 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Maybe the "ethnicity" analogy would be more fitting for the different ways that ice cream is actually MADE. However the "race" analogy" is more fitting for how the different varieties of ice cream LOOK, and what they TASTE and SMELL like. My analogy is fine...yours on the other hand demonstrates a profound stubborn conceptual misunderstanding on your part 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
Pioneer1 Posted May 26 Report Posted May 26 frankster The different flavors or colors do not make them not ice cream....because all ice cream has flavor. And???? if it had no flavor it would be....ice shaved ice or frozen slushie snow cone ice The cream provide both texture and flavor...What you call ice cream flavor is what makes ice cream ice cream - it is in every ice cream No, it's the FLAVORING in ice cream that gives each type it's distinctive flavors. Just like it's the COLORING that gives each of it it's distinctive color unless it's just plain white. I call them ethnicities because what causes the differences are added or in other words environmental impacts. Races is a social construct and has no basis in genetics. I just showed you that race IS genetic. Ethnicity is more of a social construct than race because as you just said ethnicity is often impacted by the ENVIRONMENT; where as you're BORN in a particular race regardless as to the environment. One cannot differentiate one so called race from the other with any scientific definiteness.... You don't NEED "scientific definiteness"; you can usually LOOK at people and tell their racial differences. You can't look at these two men and tell what their ETHNCITIES are but you can definitely tell what RACE they are....
frankster Posted May 26 Report Posted May 26 29 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster The different flavors or colors do not make them not ice cream....because all ice cream has flavor. And???? They still ice cream.....all ice cream is still ice cream regardless of the flavor. 29 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: If it had no flavor it would be....ice shaved ice or frozen slushie snow cone ice The cream provide both texture and flavor...What you call ice cream flavor is what makes ice cream ice cream - it is in every ice cream No, it's the FLAVORING in ice cream that gives each type it's distinctive flavors. Just like it's the COLORING that gives each of it it's distinctive color unless it's just plain white. it is still ice cream 29 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: I call them ethnicities because what causes the differences are added or in other words environmental impacts. Races is a social construct and has no basis in genetics. I just showed you that race IS genetic. Ethnicity is more of a social construct than race because as you just said ethnicity is often impacted by the ENVIRONMENT; where as you're BORN in a particular race regardless as to the environment. I just gave you my link as proof....that there is only one race genetically. 29 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: One cannot differentiate one so called race from the other with any scientific definiteness.... You don't NEED "scientific definiteness"; you can usually LOOK at people and tell their racial differences. You can't look at these two men and tell what their ETHNCITIES are but you can definitely tell what RACE they are.... Sciences states that they are one race genetically... The differences you are observing are ethnically and or socially constructed 29 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Are the women above of different races?
Pioneer1 Posted May 26 Report Posted May 26 frankster They still ice cream.....all ice cream is still ice cream regardless of the flavor. Just like all humans are still humans regardless of race. I just gave you my link as proof....that there is only one race genetically. And I just gave you MY proof that there are MULTIPLE races. So I guess it's about which source we CHOOSE to believe. Sciences states that they are one race genetically... The hell it does...... This is a MEDICAL (scientific) journal: The Emergence of the Racial Disparity in U.S. Breast-Cancer Mortality In the 1980s, two medical interventions were widely implemented in the United States for breast-cancer management — mammography screening and adjuvant endocrine therapy — and racial disparities in access to these interventions, as well as in their effects, probably precipitated the divergence in mortality.2 Black women are more likely than White women to lack health insurance or to have inadequate coverage, which has limited their access to mammography screening and adversely affected therapeutic decision making. In the 1980s, for example, mammography-screening rates were substantially lower among Black women than among White women, although the rates are now similar.2 Yet from 1992 to 2016, the incidence of HR-negative breast cancer decreased among women of all races in the United States, and there was considerable variation in the rate of decline among racial groups and among women of the same race from different geographic regions. This article was published on June 18, 2022, at NEJM.org. The Emergence of the Racial Disparity in U.S. Breast-Cancer Mortality | New England Journal of Medicine So I don't know what YOU'RE talking about. Science CLEARLY acknowledges multiple races! The differences you are observing are ethnically and or socially constructed Man, the differences beween........... Him and him ...are NOT "socially constructed". They are NATURAL and are determined by GENETICS.
frankster Posted May 26 Report Posted May 26 9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster They still ice cream.....all ice cream is still ice cream regardless of the flavor. Just like all humans are still humans regardless of race. Exactly... There is no genetic basis for Races among humans.... 9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: I just gave you my link as proof....that there is only one race genetically. And I just gave you MY proof that there are MULTIPLE races. So I guess it's about which source we CHOOSE to believe. When did you give me your source... your personal observation???? 9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Sciences states that they are one race genetically... The hell it does...... This is a MEDICAL (scientific) journal: The Emergence of the Racial Disparity in U.S. Breast-Cancer Mortality In the 1980s, two medical interventions were widely implemented in the United States for breast-cancer management — mammography screening and adjuvant endocrine therapy — and racial disparities in access to these interventions, as well as in their effects, probably precipitated the divergence in mortality.2 Black women are more likely than White women to lack health insurance or to have inadequate coverage, which has limited their access to mammography screening and adversely affected therapeutic decision making. In the 1980s, for example, mammography-screening rates were substantially lower among Black women than among White women, although the rates are now similar.2 Yet from 1992 to 2016, the incidence of HR-negative breast cancer decreased among women of all races in the United States, and there was considerable variation in the rate of decline among racial groups and among women of the same race from different geographic regions. This article was published on June 18, 2022, at NEJM.org. The Emergence of the Racial Disparity in U.S. Breast-Cancer Mortality | New England Journal of Medicine So I don't know what YOU'RE talking about. Science CLEARLY acknowledges multiple races! Your ability to comprehend and understand is severely lacking so let me quote from your quote post and try to help you understand what you are reading by ask some basic questions. "and racial disparities in access to these interventions, as well as in their effects, probably precipitated the divergence in mortality.2" What does the paper says caused the divergence or disparities? The divergence in mortality is not caused by races but by access to interventions " Black women are more likely than White women to lack health insurance or to have inadequate coverage, which has limited their access to mammography screening and adversely affected therapeutic decision making." According to the paper what led to adverse therapeutic decision? What is meant by Adverse therapeutic decision? "In the 1980s, for example, mammography-screening rates were substantially lower among Black women than among White women, " Why would one group of women experience lower screening rates? What could be the results of lower screening for women suggested by the paper? "the incidence of HR-negative breast cancer decreased among women of all races in the United States, and there was considerable variation in the rate of decline among racial groups and among women of the same race from different geographic regions." If women from the same racial groups are having considerable variation in results what could cause that? In Short the problem is not race but racism. 9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: The differences you are observing are ethnically and or socially constructed Man, the differences beween........... Him and him ...are NOT "socially constructed". They are NATURAL and are determined by GENETICS. You mean like those two women below belonging to two different races genetically.... Remember The Black Twins With Different Colors? This Is what Happened To Them!
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