Chicago. Gangster. Trump. Pardons

[harry brown]

News. Says. Trash.  President.  ,Pardon. A. Chicago. Gangster. ,..Gangster. Disciples  Member. ..Trash. President. Stop. College. Funding. ,To. Black. Colleges.  Wants. Military.  To. Stop. Recruiting. ,Black. People  So. He. Can. Have. A.   All. ,White. Military. .  He. Pardons. A. Gangster. Why .  So. This. Violent. Gangster. Can. Keep. Organizing.   Black. Genocide To, ,The. Chicago.  Black. Communities ....  Did. This. Gangster.  Organize. Black. Murders. ,Was. He. Operating. Crack. Houses.  ....He. Can. Return.  To. Black. Communities.  With. Black. Genocide. .... !!!

[ProfD]

Founder of the Gangster Disciples, Larry Hoover, has been incarcerated for 52 years.  He's 75 years old now. 

 

Chicago has had gang-related problems the whole time Larry Hoover has been behind bars.  Releasing Mr. Hoover at this point will not make Chicago any worse.

 

I would not be surprised if they have a welcome home parade for Larry Hoover though.

[aka Contrarian]

Larry Hoover was running his Gangster Disciples empire from his jail cell.

His federal sentence was commuted but the State of Illinois sentences are still in effect and not likely to be reversed.

Hoover's crimes were particularly brutal and other Blacks were his only victims,  which was undoubtedly why Trump had no qualms about  commuting his sentence.

 

[Troy]

On 5/30/2025 at 2:24 PM, ProfD said:

Founder of the Gangster Disciples, Larry Hoover, has been incarcerated for 52 years.  He's 75 years old now. 

 

Sad. He has been incarcerated longer than many people who have great lives lived.  I see from @aka Contrarian that his crimes were brutal... did he kill civilians?

[aka Contrarian]

1 hour ago, Troy said:

 

... I see from @aka Contrarian that his crimes were brutal... did he kill civilians?

indirectly through OD's I guess, since he was also a notorious drug dealer.

[Pioneer1]

Believe it or not I have mixed feelings on Hoover's incarceration.

On the one hand, as was mentioned before...he and others like him formed gangs that pretty much inflicted crime and violence on other Black people.

Many of them, especially the gangs on the West Coast...were started by "off shoots" of the Black Panther Party who got paramilitary training on forming ranks, leadership skills, and weapons.
...and were no longer afraid to use them.  
But instead of using those skills to fight in "the struggle" many of them formed their own little militant groups to engage in criminal activity for personal benefit.

You saw this not just in L.A. and Chicago but to a lesser extent all over the country in places like Philadelphia, Detroit, St. Louis, etc.

I think the actual name or original name of the Gangsta Disciples were the BLACK Gangsta Disciples.
There was a "conscious" element to it originally.

In Detroit you had a gang known as the "BK's" or Black Killas (Killers).
Originally it started of as a local neighborhood gang to protect THEIR neighborhood from White boys who would come in and harass the people.
So they called themselves Black Killas to let them know that these Black men will kill you if you fucked with their neighborhood.
Soon they started turning on other Black people and "Black Killa" meant they killed OTHER Black folks!

Again, you saw this around the nation.

Many of these gangs came out of the Panthers but then one man in that gang would get jealous and would form his OWN gang so one gang would spin off of the other and from another.

Although they were inflicting a lot of crime and violence in the Black community, what REALLY sent the violence out of control is when they started locking up the leaders like Larry Hoover and Stanley "Big Took" Williams who was one of the founders of the Crips.

The OGs had more direct control over the gangs when they were out on the streets and could control the "flow" of things.
They called the shots and prevented a lot of things from happening.

Once that leadership was gone, it was almost every man for himself.

 

I vaguely remember....but I do remember...in Detroit back in the early 70s if your car got stolen or your house got broken into the leader of the neighborhood gang knew EXACTLY who did it and you could talk to him to get your shit back or keep it from happening again.

When they started locking up the leaders, that type of organization ended.

This was before Crack too.
 

[ProfD]

Interestingly, Larry Hoover was stretched out in prison on a life bid long before the government knew how to use RICO.

 

Same goes for the late Stanley Tookie Williams of LA. He received the death penalty and was executed. 

 

OTOH, white mobsters engaged in far more racketeering and murder than Larry Hoover could have imagined and yet only a handful of mobsters received as harsh sentencing.

 

AFAIK, no white mobsters who truly ran RICOs ever received the death penalty. Some got life.

 

Many mobsters turned against their  crime family associates and entered the federal witness protectionn program. They're making money giving interviews and writing books about their former life.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if 75-year old Larry Hoover is forced to get a job and work the remainder of his life. That's if the state of Illinois doesn't put him back in prison.

 

The double-standard when it comes to crime and punishment in this country is beyond absurd.

 

Back in Larry Hoover's day, white folks were handing out long sentences.

 

Now, Black folks in law enforcement and the judicial system are enforcing punishment against their own according to the laws set up by white folks.

 

Larry Hoover has served enough time for whatever crimes he committed a half-century ago. Let that man live free. He's not a threat to society. He doesn't have much time left.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD
 

I'm not sure if Mr.Hoover is actually going to get out because he's not only serving a Federal sentence but a State one two concurrently.

Perhaps that's why his sentence was "commuted" instead of "pardoned"
 

I don't support giving people "life" sentences in prison.
No more than 20 years at the most.
I believe if they commit a crime so bad that they need to be locked up the rest of their lives, perhaps it's best to just kill them out right.

Or torture them for a certain amount of time, reform them, and let them go free.

If they have a mental problem where they CAN'T be allowed to go free, then they should be institutionalized and properly treated.

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'm not sure if Mr.Hoover is actually going to get out because he's not only serving a Federal sentence but a State one two concurrently.

Perhaps that's why his sentence was "commuted" instead of "pardoned"

Right. Larry Hoover has an uphill climb in getting out even if the feds open the gate. The state will be waiting outside.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I don't support giving people "life" sentences in prison.
No more than 20 years at the most.

That would make sense. If 20 years doesn't rehabilitate there's a deeper problem. 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I believe if they commit a crime so bad that they need to be locked up the rest of their lives, perhaps it's best to just kill them out right.

Agreed. If the crime warrants a death penalty, it should be carried out in short order. Similar to how the Germans applied it with the guillotine.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If they have a mental problem where they CAN'T be allowed to go free, then they should be institutionalized and properly treated.

Mental illness should definitely be *treated* differently.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

That would make sense. If 20 years doesn't rehabilitate there's a deeper problem. 
 

This is my reasoning as well.

It's about rehabilitation and deterrence.

 

 

 

Agreed. If the crime warrants a death penalty, it should be carried out in short order. Similar to how the Germans applied it with the guillotine.

 

Well not TOO quick...lol.
Make sure the person is ACTUALLY guilty of their crime before putting them to death.

So many people are on death row in the United States based on flimsy evidence, racist/biased juries and judges, and simply not being able to afford a good enough lawyer.

Here and anywhere else where you have Black people living under White rule...I'd demand that a person almost CONFESS to their crime before sentencing them to death.

Don't sleep on torture being a viable deterent.
A lot of people aren't afraid of death and really don't care.
They'd shoot up 100 people and welcome the death penalty with a smile.
One quick death for a crime so massive and heinous???
No way.
Make them pay a price for EVERY life they took and EVERY serious injury they inflicted.
 

 

You said the Germans and the guillotine.
I think it was the FRENCH who used the guillotines...lol.
Later on the Germans didn't even waste time killing one person at a time-they started turning public showers into mass gas chambers and executing people by the hundreds at one time.

[ProfD]

10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Well not TOO quick...lol.
Make sure the person is ACTUALLY guilty of their crime before putting them to death.

So many people are on death row in the United States based on flimsy evidence, racist/biased juries and judges, and simply not being able to afford a good enough lawyer.

Here and anywhere else where you have Black people living under White rule...I'd demand that a person almost CONFESS to their crime before sentencing them to death.

Sure.  I'm referring to the death penalty being carried out after a *fair* trial.  Folks shouldn't be stretched out on death row for 30 years.  That's no different from a life sentence.

 

10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Don't sleep on torture being a viable deterent.

Right.  Chopping off hands for thieves and genitals for rapists would be a strong deterrent too.  No need to lock them up.

 

10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

A lot of people aren't afraid of death and really don't care.
They'd shoot up 100 people and welcome the death penalty with a smile.
One quick death for a crime so massive and heinous???
No way.
Make them pay a price for EVERY life they took and EVERY serious injury they inflicted.

Through torture, there's definitely ways to make that person *feel* every life they took.

 

10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

You said the Germans and the guillotine.
I think it was the FRENCH who used the guillotines...lol.

Johann Reichhart was known as the German executioner.  His method of killing folks was guillotine.  It would happen shortly after their trial and guilty verdict.

10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Later on the Germans didn't even waste time killing one person at a time-they started turning public showers into mass gas chambers and executing people by the hundreds at one time.

The holocaust was beyond execution...it was mass murder.

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Sure.  I'm referring to the death penalty being carried out after a *fair* trial.  Folks shouldn't be stretched out on death row for 30 years.  That's no different from a life sentence.

 

What's really jacked up is in some countries like Japan, they don't even tell people WHEN they're going to execute them.

They'll put somebody on death row and they don't know if they're going to be executed in a few days or not for a few years.

They simply don't know....until a day or two before the execution.

The psychological torture.

 

 

 

Right.  Chopping off hands for thieves and genitals for rapists would be a strong deterrent too.  No need to lock them up.

 

But I can't stress strongly enough that we need to make sure that the offender is truly guilty of their crime.
There shouldn't be a lot of room for error or racial bias.

[ProfD]

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Right.  Chopping off hands for thieves and genitals for rapists would be a strong deterrent too.  No need to lock them up.

 

But I can't stress strongly enough that we need to make sure that the offender is truly guilty of their crime.
There shouldn't be a lot of room for error or racial bias.

Sure. The threat of such a punishment should deter many  folks from committing such crimes.