Israel strikes Tehran

[richardmurray]

The moment every president the USA has had since Lincoln has arrived. What will Schrupft do?

 

My Extended Thoughts- and subscribe to my calendars please

https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/330-israel-unilaterally-struck-iran-06122025/

 

[ProfD]

It's no secret the US provides Israel with top cover in everything they do.

 

While the US claims it's not involved in the Israeli strikes against Iran, similar to Ukraine, the US will be involved by proxy.

 

The US (Israel) and Russia (Iran) will supply both sides with weapons and sit back and watch the fireworks. 

 

Iran is not equipped for a ground war. Best they can do is drones and missile and terrorist attacks.

 

This situation has been brewing ever since Iran pursued a nuclear weapons program. Hopefully it won't get them wiped off the map.

[richardmurray]

13 hours ago, ProfD said:

This situation has been brewing ever since Iran pursued a nuclear weapons program. Hopefully it won't get them wiped off the map.

The situation has been brewing ever since the usa+ uk orchestrated the modulation of palestine into israel

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, richardmurray said:

The situation has been brewing ever since the usa+ uk orchestrated the modulation of palestine into israel

That is 100% correct. 

 

The super-powers are determined to put Israel in charge of the sand i.e. Middle East.

 

The craziest part is after blowing up Iran's nuclear facilities, they are still trying to convince them to have nuclear talks. 

 

I cannot imagine there is anything *left* to discuss if the nuclear facilities have been destroyed.

[richardmurray]

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

I cannot imagine there is anything *left* to discuss if the nuclear facilities have been destroyed.

@ProfD 

there is something to discuss, not to let this attack start a regional war. Netanyahu gambles perhaps with the power of the usa behind israel, and perhaps the regional pleading from saudi arabia/iraq/kuwait/united arab emirates/qatar that Iran will let itself be bloodied + humiliated and not start a regional war that will drag in many.

 

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, richardmurray said:

@ProfD 

there is something to discuss, not to let this attack start a regional war.

 

....regional pleading from saudi arabia/iraq/kuwait/united arab emirates/qatar that Iran will let itself be bloodied + humiliated and not start a regional war that will drag in many.

 

Understood.

 

I'm inclined to believe that meeting held last month with countries in the region may have led to them sanctioning whatever happened to Iran.

 

Countries have sold out for less. Many men can be bought and/or compromised. 

 

The end game is to force a regime change in Iran.

 

White folks are afraid of radicalized Islam. Especially when part of their teaching declares death to enemies.

 

Nevermind the fact that Iran wasn't any closer to producing a nuclear weapon with the next few days, weeks, months or years.

 

Iran was never really a military threat to Israel and definitely not the US.

 

Terrorism is the only real weapon countries like Iran can utilize against super-powers. It could be effective if done strategically enough to cause fear and chaos within enemy populations.

 

I believe when the dust settles. Iran will become similar to Iraq.

[richardmurray]

20 hours ago, ProfD said:

I believe when the dust settles. Iran will become similar to Iraq.

hmmm

I don't think so. 

Iran does have a stronger military than iraq and has a different heritage. Iraq started as a creation of outsiders. Iran is the continuation of an ancient timeline of governments.

But you may be right.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

Iran does have a stronger military than iraq and has a different heritage. Iraq started as a creation of outsiders. Iran is the continuation of an ancient timeline of governments.

Your points are well taken. 

 

Iran could remain the same if there is no regime change.

 

The objective could be merely to cripple Iran's nuclear capacity while allowing them to continue hating Israel and the US. A toothless tiger.

 

Having enemies big and small is a justification for maintaining military power.

 

 

[Pioneer1]

Israel strikes Iran, but Iran also strikes back:

 

They got Israel looking like Gaza.
 

 

 

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Israel strikes Iran, but Iran also strikes back:

They got Israel looking like Gaza.

A few missiles will get through Iron Dome but most are intercepted.

 

Right now, less than 13 killed and 200 injured among Israelis. That's low considering the number of missiles Iran has fired off.

 

OTOH,  Israel has taken out Iranian military generals and nuclear scientists and 78 killed and 320 injured civilians.

 

Iran will end up with more destruction, killed and injured. Israel will pale in comparison.

[richardmurray]

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

The objective could be merely to cripple Iran's nuclear capacity while allowing them to continue hating Israel and the US. A toothless tiger.

@ProfD

That is netanyahu's agenda, but that isn't Schrumpfts or Irans. Schrumpts agenda in my view is to get israel to implode, not completely but partially through overreach or internal combustion. IRan's agenda is nuclear armanent 100% iran borders pakistan who is a nuclear power and after this unprovoked attack by israel, no one in iran can argue against getting nuclear missiles.

 

@Pioneer1 of cours, this is war and only th begnning

 

33 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Iran will end up with more destruction, killed and injured. Israel will pale in comparison.

@ProfD 

your assuming the future with this statement. Never assume where war takes any country.

[ProfD]

Russia and China are sitting on the sidelines allowing Israel backed by the US to attack Iran; destroy their nuclear capabilities and possibly overthrow the Iranian regime.

 

Surely, whatever government is installed in Iran will no longer promote death to Israel and the US. That's the end state.

 

As I mentioned already, the gameplan seems to basically make Iran similar to places like Iraq and Libya.

 

Iran has opposed the creation of the Jewish state and western imperialism for a very long time.

 

These white folks have decided now is the time to get rid of the Ayatollah and his regime and the ideology that has been spread throughout Iran since the 1970s.

 

Black folks really need to pay attention to how easily white folks are willing to kill a large number of people and takeover a country in a relatively short amount of time.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

installed, are you suggesting iran's government will fall/change/morph to suit the needs of israel + the USA? 

Are you suggesting the ideology you speak of isn't before the 1970s? 

Are you suggesting black DOSers in the USA are ignorant to white power? 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

installed, are you suggesting iran's government will fall/change/morph to suit the needs of israel + the USA? 

More than likely, the current regime will be overthrown.  Israel/US are tired of dealing with the *threat* from *Islamic fundamentalists*.  

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

Are you suggesting the ideology you speak of isn't before the 1970s? 

As you mentioned, the ideology has been around since the creation of the Jewish state.

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

Are you suggesting black DOSers in the USA are ignorant to white power? 

I would not consider FBA/ADOS folks *ignorant* of white power.  Most have an awareness of and/or experience dealing with it.

 

However, I do believe many FBA/ADOS folks have fallen into a false sense of comfort and complacency within the prison of racism white supremacy.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

More than likely, the current regime will be overthrown.  Israel/US are tired of dealing with the *threat* from *Islamic fundamentalists*.  

well, all I can say is it can happen, but I am not gambling, you say it is likely and the problem is the threat from who you call Islamic fundamentalists is not centered in iran. I argue iranians are the least islamically fundamental.

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

As you mentioned, the ideology has been around since the creation of the Jewish state.

The ideology I thought you referred to has parts that have a different time. The dislike of jews is from the time of the pharoahs ruling kemet before a jewish state ever existed. The dislike of zionists+usa+uk made israel is when muslims in the palestine protectorate and elsewhere in the former ottoman empire didn't want zionist in and the uk/usa made it happen anyway. the dislike of the usa or zionist+usa+uk made israel in iran stems from the last shah of iran and before the first ayatollah. These are three different elements that are wrapped in one in iran and none of the parts started with the creation of the zionist+usa+uk made state of israel. The ideology you refer

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

I would consider FBA/ADOS folks *ignorant* of white power.  Most have an awareness of and/or experience dealing with it.

 

However, I do believe many FBA/ADOS folks have fallen into a false sense of comfort and complacency within the prison of racism white supremacy.

ah ok, I view DOSers as fully knowledgeable or norant of white power. I think black leadership has guided the majority of black people to have the viewpoint 

[ProfD]

41 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

well, all I can say is it can happen, but I am not gambling, you say it is likely and the problem is the threat from who you call Islamic fundamentalists is not centered in iran. I argue iranians are the least islamically fundamental.

Just my opinion.  I would not argue it.

 

41 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

...the dislike of the usa or zionist+usa+uk made israel in iran stems from the last shah of iran and before the first ayatollah. These are three different elements that are wrapped in one in iran and none of the parts started with the creation of the zionist+usa+uk made state of israel. The ideology you refer

Cool.  Iran is catching h8ll right now as a result of their long running hatred of Israel and the west. 

 

Just like the Palestinians, the Iranian people as a whole don't deserve the fire and smoke that might be coming their way.

 

41 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

ah ok, I view DOSers as fully knowledgeable or norant of white power. I think black leadership has guided the majority of black people to have the viewpoint 

I left out the word *not* in my post above.  To reiterate, FBA/ADOS are not ignorant of white power.

 

I don't think FBA/ADOS really consider how far white folks will go in order to maintain their power.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

Cool.  Iran is catching h8ll right now as a result of their long running hatred of Israel and the west. 

 

no, they are catching hell because they don't have nuclear weapons. The reality is, once you are nuclear power you are never attacked like iran is, even by the usa. 

I argue, Russia or China have a greater position against the usa but they have nuclear weapons. 

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

Just like the Palestinians, the Iranian people as a whole don't deserve the fire and smoke that might be coming their way.

welll... war is always bound to come to all. I have to be even when i assess history. When the ottoman empire fell, the british broke it up and made the palestinian protectorate. The palestineans didn't engage enough, didn't do enough to get them from protectorate to government. Was it easy? no, but it goes back to all governments. The southern states have always felt they didn't deserve what happened in the war between the states, but lee misguided their forces , didn't pay attention to the better strategies offered by beauregard. We black people in the usa, love to tell each other we need to be more responsible, well that can extend to the non black or the rest of humanity outside and inside the usa as well. 

[ProfD]

51 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

 

no, they are catching hell because they don't have nuclear weapons. The reality is, once you are nuclear power you are never attacked like iran is, even by the usa. 

The reason Iran isn't allowed to have nuclear weapons is because of their hatred for Israel and the US.

 

51 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

I argue, Russia or China have a greater position against the usa but they have nuclear weapons. 

Super-power countries need adversaries whether real or manufactured. The Cold War is a great example of it.

 

Neither Russia nor China is interested in going to war against the US. Too much money. Saber-rattling is just another part of the game. 

 

The rest of the planet is perfectly fine with the US, Russia and China being top of the chain.

 

 

51 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

The palestineans didn't engage enough, didn't do enough to get them from protectorate to government.

The rhetorical questions are how badly did the Palestinians want to form their own government and more importantly, what prevented them from doing it.

 

51 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

We black people in the usa, love to tell each other we need to be more responsible, well that can extend to the non black or the rest of humanity outside and inside the usa as well. 

FBA/ADOS do not have a country to which they can return and run independently.

 

FBA/ADOS have work within our birthplace which is the US. We have nowhere else to go.

 

OTOH, Black folks from other countries could go *home* and build it up if they had a desire to do so.

 

The reality is majority white countries are lands of opportunity; already built up like an amusement park.

 

It seems very few people are interested in returning to their home countries that pale in comparison to a highly-developed country like the US.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

13 minutes ago, ProfD said:

The reason Iran isn't allowed to have nuclear weapons is because of their hatred for Israel and the US.

In my historical assessment, the reason is that the usa/russia/israel/uk/france/china started the non proliferation treaty to block those not in their group from having nuclear weapons. They failed with india/pakistan/north korea but the usa succeeded with cuba before the treaty and usa/israel with iran after the treaty.

and in defense, iran was simply slow. as all the other countries in the world. From a financial perspective, Brasil can afford but the usa federal government will do everything in its power to make sure no country in the american continent has nuclear weapons outside the usa. 

59 minutes ago, ProfD said:

The rest of the planet is perfectly fine with the US, Russia and China being top of the chain.

you think much differently than me concerning humanity. I don't think the rest of the planet is fine with the "food chain" they just are too impotent/scared to do anything about it. Being scared or impotent in my mind doesn't suggest one is pleasantly accepting or perfectly fine.

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

The rhetorical questions are how badly did the Palestinians want to form their own government and more importantly, what prevented them from doing it.

I Don't think how badly matters in all earnest. but , what prevented them is very simple, poverty. Being financially poor matters. It isn't irrelevant.  Why do you think the usa in rebuilding japan/england/france/germany[fdr] .. in building up china[ nixon] ... mattered. I know you think very positively of non blacks energy or their abilities but the truth is, if the usa didn't rebuild or build up said countries they would be worse off than the black populace in the usa today. China would not be here today without nixon's strategy which was designed to hurt the soviet union's influence. Everything in the 1900s was designed to hurt the soviet union's influence, and it worked. The soviet union was alone at its end, when it became the russian federation. But, none of those broken countries had a chance of growing. Japan/Nippon was finished for three hundred years easy. They had nothing ok. So, the palestineans had nothing, even in the time of saladin, the abrahamic holy land was resource wise worthless. It's value is heritage/cultural 

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

OTOH, Black folks from other countries could go *home* and build it up if they had a desire to do so.

I see the non blacks you say are so dominant to iranians will allow south africa/kenya to be built up:) Interesting

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

The reality is majority white countries are lands of opportunity; already built up like an amusement park.

well, I oppose your view of reality, I think it is fanciful in all earnest, but using my own words, I can say that the standard of living is better in the statian empire, which makes sense as in human history, the empires always have better standards of living than their satraps 

[ProfD]

14 hours ago, richardmurray said:

In my historical assessment, the reason is that the usa/russia/israel/uk/france/china started the non proliferation treaty to block those not in their group from having nuclear weapons. They failed with india/pakistan/north korea but the usa succeeded with cuba before the treaty and usa/israel with iran after the treaty.

and in defense, iran was simply slow. as all the other countries in the world. From a financial perspective, Brasil can afford but the usa federal government will do everything in its power to make sure no country in the american continent has nuclear weapons outside the usa. 

The super-powers determine which countries get to have nuclear weapons.  

 

14 hours ago, richardmurray said:

you think much differently than me concerning humanity. I don't think the rest of the planet is fine with the "food chain" they just are too impotent/scared to do anything about it. Being scared or impotent in my mind doesn't suggest one is pleasantly accepting or perfectly fine.

Call it being scared or impotent or whatever but to me, doing nothing to improve condition or station mean accepting or being perfectly fine with status quo. 

 

I admire those who are willing to die for 1) their freedom from any form of oppression and 2) what they believe.  No cowardice.

14 hours ago, richardmurray said:

...what prevented them is very simple, poverty. Being financially poor matters. It isn't irrelevant.

Wealth is generated from production.  Every country has natural resources whether it is the land or the people.  Figure it out.

 

14 hours ago, richardmurray said:

Why do you think the usa in rebuilding japan/england/france/germany[fdr] .. in building up china[ nixon] ... mattered.

The US invested in those places because it was in their economic self-interest.  White folks can go to war and kill each other and turn around to do business when the smoke clears and dust settles.

14 hours ago, richardmurray said:

I know you think very positively of non blacks energy or their abilities...

Not sure of how you made that assumption.  It definitely did not come from me. 

 

I definitely do not believe non-blacks are more industrious or smarter than Black folks. 

 

I do believe white folks are willing to kill or be killed in order to conquer others in order to get whatever they want and need.   

 

14 hours ago, richardmurray said:

but the truth is, if the usa didn't rebuild or build up said countries they would be worse off than the black populace in the usa today. China would not be here today without nixon's strategy which was designed to hurt the soviet union's influence.

As I mentioned above, economic self-interest. 

 

Every investment the US has made from slavery through developing other countries to setting up OPEC etc., were moves that made the US a super-power.

 

Middle Eastern countries would be *broke* if the US didn't import their oil.  Those sand dudes would not be building places like Dubai and riding around in luxury cars and living lavish lives without the US.

 

14 hours ago, richardmurray said:

Everything in the 1900s was designed to hurt the soviet union's influence, and it worked. The soviet union was alone at its end, when it became the russian federation.

At the end of the day, the Russians are still considered white.  The posturing and saber-rattling is just a game.

 

14 hours ago, richardmurray said:

But, none of those broken countries had a chance of growing. Japan/Nippon was finished for three hundred years easy.

Not when the US saw an opportunity to make Japan the high-technology capital of the world.

 

14 hours ago, richardmurray said:

So, the palestineans had nothing, even in the time of saladin, the abrahamic holy land was resource wise worthless. It's value is heritage/cultural 

The Palestinians darker skin and lack of cooperation with Israel doomed them.

 

14 hours ago, richardmurray said:

I see the non blacks you say are so dominant to iranians will allow south africa/kenya to be built up:) Interesting

Again, white folks are dominant because they are willing to kill or be killed in order to maintain power. 

 

The only thing that precludes *poor* countries from doing a deal with the white folks is that they don't bring anything to the table.  Yet, they depend on white countries to provide food, medicine, clothing, technology, etc.

 

14 hours ago, richardmurray said:

well, I oppose your view of reality, I think it is fanciful in all earnest, but using my own words, I can say that the standard of living is better in the statian empire, which makes sense as in human history, the empires always have better standards of living than their satraps 

Your opposition to my view is nothing new.

 

The oil-producing countries is one example of a satrap pulling itself by the bootstraps.

[umbrarchist]

The momentum of history is a bitch!

 

I would have been opposing the Zionist on what was happening in Gaza long before this. Someone on BlueSky was calling me anti-Semitic for using the term ZioNAZI.

 

But I have no idea of the actual state of Iran's nuclear program.

 

Contradictory bullshit from people with axes to grind.

 

But the Stable Genius in the White House will no doubt handle things properly with his usual competence.

 

.

[ProfD]

1 minute ago, umbrarchist said:

But I have no idea of the actual state of Iran's nuclear program.

 

Contradictory bullshit from people with axes to grind.

Exactly. 

 

Iran is no closer to having a nuclear weapon than they were 20 years ago.

 

Even if Iranians did have a nuclear weapon, their *enemies* already know how to contain it.

 

Israel is being allow to *stabilize* the region. 

 

The Russians and Chinese are deal silent in their defense of Iran or lack thereof. 

 

 

They're just gonna leave the lil homie on stuck.

 

 

 

 

[richardmurray]

 

@umbrarchist 

2 hours ago, umbrarchist said:

The momentum of history is a bitch!

of course, history proves nothing ever goes for any government as planned. I find it interesting how many people , especially black folk, seem to think white people, especially in usa or in the modern global context have outfoxed the truths of nature. 

2 hours ago, umbrarchist said:

I would have been opposing the Zionist on what was happening in Gaza long before this. Someone on BlueSky was calling me anti-Semitic for using the term ZioNAZI.

the tragedy of antisemites as the word os used is arabs/palestineans are semites. When a jew who is also a semite says you are anti semite for supporting palestinians who are also semites...:) it goes back to what I always say, many people in modernity use words very poorly and tend to think to little of how they use words. 

You are not being anti semite, but you are opposing the actions of jews. The phrase isn't as catchy as one word but it is far more honest. and that lack of honesty is the electronic toxic fume online when people talk about any populace in humanity or humanity itself.

Your term zionazi is far more honest. 

Zionists are what jews in israeli are today. Most are not from ancient israeli stock but white europeans of the jewish faith who moved to israel. And the NAzi's are national socialist. Nationalism is about birthing something, in government that means governments, that is clearly the idea, zionist are by default nationalist as the came to palestine to birth a nation. Socialist is also applicable for all of zionist israel's fiscal capitalism, much of that country has always been a socialistic operation. The state funding operations for the zionist population.

2 hours ago, umbrarchist said:

But I have no idea of the actual state of Iran's nuclear program.

Exactly and I imagine only the iranians truly know. All the tech in the world and people can still hide in afghanistan and pakistan so I can imagine iran has secrets. 

 

2 hours ago, umbrarchist said:

But the Stable Genius in the White House will no doubt handle things properly with his usual competence.

well schrumpft  promised to change the international alignment, from a complex network called the global economy to a one to one. He hasn't succeeded which makes sense as the global economy as it is was started during woodrow wilson, energized by fdr continued through to reagan who embraced an international peace angle to it was built over a century so it will take some doing to completely undo. But he has started it and  Scrumpft wants one to one arrangements. Wars will help this process and israel has delivered the potential of war. Schrumpft doesn't want to engage in wars, he wants to expose how most governments in humanity have deep dislikes/hatreds with their neighbors and if allowed to go at it, while not injuring the usa which is safe between two oceans, it will destabilize all in humanity and with his control of the federal government the coming waves of immigrants will be stopped. 

@umbrarchist

two groups of white people exist in the usa today concerning internationalism

hawks and isolationists, shown well by cruz and carlson. 

both sides have power, both sides have influence, both sides have money, but the question is the non white in all earnest. 

The problem i view is most non whites are heavy hawks. when i look at many in this community, aalbc, although black they have a hawkish nature to the usa. They fear isolationism , i rephrase blacks fear isolationism

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tucker-carlson-spars-with-ted-cruz-on-israel-iran-strikes/ar-AA1GZ7j3?ocid=BingNewsVerp

 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

I find it interesting how many people , especially black folk, seem to think white people, especially in usa or in the modern global context have outfoxed the truths of nature.

 

two groups of white people exist in the usa today concerning internationalism

hawks and isolationists, shown well by cruz and carlson. 

 

both sides have power, both sides have influence, both sides have money, but the question is the non white in all earnest. 

White folks don't appear to be overly concerned with the laws of nature as long as they maintain power and control wealth. 

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

The problem i view is most non whites are heavy hawks. when i look at many in this community, aalbc, although black they have a hawkish nature to the usa. They fear isolationism , i rephrase blacks fear isolationism

Non-whites are powerless and whatever they think or believe is meaningless to the most powerful people on the planet.