frankster Posted July 11 Report Posted July 11 Name one conspiracy theory you know is BS/just not real or true? Is it still a conspiracy theory if its true? Do you know of any conspiracy theory that is true? Do you know of any that was once thought to be false but is now known or accepted as true?
ProfD Posted July 12 Report Posted July 12 4 hours ago, frankster said: Name one conspiracy theory you know is BS/just not real or true? Any theory regarding UAP/UFO/ET visitations from outer space. 4 hours ago, frankster said: Is it still a conspiracy theory if its true? The truth isn't a conspiracy theory. 4 hours ago, frankster said: Do you know of any conspiracy theory that is true? Nope. 4 hours ago, frankster said: Do you know of any that was once thought to be false but is now known or accepted as true? I cannot think of a conspiracy theory that went from false to being proven true.
Troy Posted July 12 Report Posted July 12 23 hours ago, frankster said: Name one conspiracy theory you know is BS/just not real or true? Vaccines are more dangerous than the disease they have indicated. 23 hours ago, frankster said: Is it still a conspiracy theory if its true? Do you know of any conspiracy theory that is true? Do you know of any that was once thought to be false but is now known or accepted as true? No, of course not. No. that would violate the meaning of the term No. Do you? Maybe we should stop taking vaccines. There would be far fewer humans alive today and the world would probably be a better place for the ones remaining.
frankster Posted July 14 Author Report Posted July 14 On 7/11/2025 at 9:15 PM, ProfD said: Any theory regarding UAP/UFO/ET visitations from outer space. I noticed you did not say...None Human Intelligence or Operated by Alien beings... In that case we have had UFO's....unidentified flying objects - some from outer space On 7/11/2025 at 9:15 PM, ProfD said: The truth isn't a conspiracy theory. How then do you define a Conspiracy theory... On 7/11/2025 at 9:15 PM, ProfD said: Nope. Is that because once it is proven as true....it is no longer or never was a conspiracy theory by your definition? On 7/11/2025 at 9:15 PM, ProfD said: I cannot think of a conspiracy theory that went from false to being proven true. What about COINTELPRO?.....Judas and the Black Messiah On 7/12/2025 at 6:45 PM, Troy said: Vaccines are more dangerous than the disease they have indicated. It is not the On 7/12/2025 at 6:45 PM, Troy said: No, of course not. Is it now just a Conspiracy when found to be true? Why is it not a Conspiracy theory? On 7/12/2025 at 6:45 PM, Troy said: No. that would violate the meaning of the term In that case it would no longer be a Theory? Would it still be a Conspiracy? On 7/12/2025 at 6:45 PM, Troy said: No. Do you? Yes MKUltra On 7/12/2025 at 6:45 PM, Troy said: Maybe we should stop taking vaccines. There would be far fewer humans alive today and the world would probably be a better place for the ones remaining. You would be wrong....there would be far more human beings living longer healthier lives... Inoculations were good as it provided pretty good immunization against various diseases.... Vaccines are slighly different from Inoculations.....Covid19 is not a Vaccine.....it is Gene Therapy Vaccines have become a tool the Globalist Elite use to curb so called Over Population Growth.....The Philosopher to the Global Elite said same in different words. Only because part of his intent was to encourage the creation/invention through breeding two distint human species ....One specie docile and servile and the other a Ruling Master Specie I mean Bill Gates practically admitted to this and the then Prince of England Alluded to his desire of being Reincarnated as a Virus to solve the so called Overpopulation problem. 1
ProfD Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 5 hours ago, frankster said: I noticed you did not say...None Human Intelligence or Operated by Alien beings... When I mention ET it refers to non-human intelligence. I don't believe in ETs nor UAPs/UFOs traveling from outer space piloted by non-human intelligence. 5 hours ago, frankster said: How then do you define a Conspiracy theory... I define a conspiracy theory as a belief in something without proof or evidence of its reality or existence. 5 hours ago, frankster said: Is that because once it is proven as true....it is no longer or never was a conspiracy theory by your definition? Right. A conspiracy theory is nullified if/when its proven true. 5 hours ago, frankster said: What about COINTELPRO?.....Judas and the Black Messiah COINTELPRO was a very real program.
frankster Posted July 15 Author Report Posted July 15 6 hours ago, ProfD said: When I mention ET it refers to non-human intelligence. Thanks for the clarification..... Extraterrestrial really actually means..... of or from outside of earth atmosphere - there are plenty of those 6 hours ago, ProfD said: I don't believe in ETs nor UAPs/UFOs traveling from outer space piloted by non-human intelligence. Yep I know...you are waiting the Official News Broadcast from Officialdom. 6 hours ago, ProfD said: I define a conspiracy theory as a belief in something without proof or evidence of its reality or existence. Without proof or evidence that you accept.... There is plenty of evidence and proof that other people accept... Take for instance the idea that Africans were not fully human 3/5 of a Man...many people believed this idea While many did not and bought evidence to attest to the fact that Africans were indeed fully human.... Yet this idea was maintain as the Official position of the US Government for many generations in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Was that a Conspiracy Theory or an Actual Conspiracy? Was it ever a theory? 6 hours ago, ProfD said: Right. A conspiracy theory is nullified if/when its proven true. If and when it is eventually proven true....therefore it was true all along Thus those who called it a conspiracy theory were wrong....yes or no? For it was never a theory....it is/was always an actuality hidden by conspirators 6 hours ago, ProfD said: COINTELPRO was a very real program. Was it ever a conspiracy theory? Now that we know it was never a theory....is it still a conspiracy if it continues on?
ProfD Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 3 hours ago, frankster said: Extraterrestrial really actually means..... of or from outside of earth atmosphere - there are plenty of those Have you seen them? 3 hours ago, frankster said: Yep I know...you are waiting the Official News Broadcast from Officialdom. Not exactly. I'm waiting to see it with my own eyes. 3 hours ago, frankster said: Without proof or evidence that you accept.... There is plenty of evidence and proof that other people accept... I certainly do not begrudge that which others choose to believe. 3 hours ago, frankster said: Take for instance the idea that Africans were not fully human 3/5 of a Man...many people believed this idea While many did not and bought evidence to attest to the fact that Africans were indeed fully human.... Yet this idea was maintain as the Official position of the US Government for many generations in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Was that a Conspiracy Theory or an Actual Conspiracy? Was it ever a theory? That was just plain stupid and ridiculous. It does not take much to *see* that all humans are the same. 3 hours ago, frankster said: If and when it is eventually proven true....therefore it was true all along Thus those who called it a conspiracy theory were wrong....yes or no? For it was never a theory....it is/was always an actuality hidden by conspirators It is a theory until it is proven to be true. 3 hours ago, frankster said: Was it ever a conspiracy theory? Now that we know it was never a theory....is it still a conspiracy if it continues on? COINTELPRO was never a conspiracy theory. It was a covert government operation conducted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to infiltrate and undermine FBA/ADOS (AfroAmerican) organizations.
frankster Posted July 16 Author Report Posted July 16 On 7/15/2025 at 11:23 AM, ProfD said: Have you seen them? Yes I don't think you are understanding what I am saying... I think you are thinkling of extraterrestrial life forms.... On 7/15/2025 at 11:23 AM, ProfD said: Not exactly. I'm waiting to see it with my own eyes. I doubt that you will accept it even then... On 7/15/2025 at 11:23 AM, ProfD said: I certainly do not begrudge that which others choose to believe. As you should On 7/15/2025 at 11:23 AM, ProfD said: That was just plain stupid and ridiculous. It does not take much to *see* that all humans are the same. The question is: Those who contested or opposed this truth....were they conspirators? Yes that is the third stage of truth,,,,it is accept as self evident It took over 300 yrs for this to be accept as true in the US.... On 7/15/2025 at 11:23 AM, ProfD said: It is a theory until it is proven to be true. If it is no longer a theory but the truth Then are the individuals who upheld the lie or hid the truth are they then Conspirators? On 7/15/2025 at 11:23 AM, ProfD said: COINTELPRO was never a conspiracy theory. It was a covert government operation conducted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to infiltrate and undermine FBA/ADOS (AfroAmerican) organizations. The day COINTELPRO was first mentioned (RARE) It most definitely was... Covert means secret... Operations means actions.... evidenced through prominent works by the organization’s last two chairmen, Stokely Carmichael and H. Rap Brown. I argue the chairmen’s conspiracy rhetoric contended with widespread interpretations of the times that framed SNCC’s decision as purely irrational, as opposed to a choice arising out of a long history of racial oppression. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0021934719892296
ProfD Posted July 16 Report Posted July 16 1 hour ago, frankster said: Yes I don't think you are understanding what I am saying... I think you are thinkling of extraterrestrial life forms.... Right. I'm referring to extraterrestrial life forms. Everything else originating outside the Earth's atmosphere has been space debris i.e. rocks. 1 hour ago, frankster said: I doubt that you will accept it even then... I'm reasonable. I would accept it if I saw proof of a spaceship crashing landing in a Wal-Mart parking lot and aliens either hopping out or dead. 1 hour ago, frankster said: The question is: Those who contested or opposed this truth....were they conspirators? As with any beliefs and practices, those who contest or oppose it are non-believers or skeptics. I would not classify them as conspirators. 1 hour ago, frankster said: Yes that is the third stage of truth,,,,it is accept as self evident It took over 300 yrs for this to be accept as true in the US.... It did not take an intelligent person in the US over 300 years to disregard the belief that Black folks were 3/5 human. Only the ignorant would believe such nonsense. 1 hour ago, frankster said: If it is no longer a theory but the truth Then are the individuals who upheld the lie or hid the truth are they then Conspirators? To uphold a lie and/or hide the truth of a theory in order to deceive would make those conspirators. 1 hour ago, frankster said: Covert means secret... Operations means actions.... A secret operation is still real. I would not classify someone as a conspiracy theorist for merely speculating about the existence of such an operation. Now, if an individual or group of people is spreading non-factual information as truth...that is a classic case of conspiracy theory.
frankster Posted July 17 Author Report Posted July 17 5 hours ago, ProfD said: Right. I'm referring to extraterrestrial life forms. ET is the shorten form for extraterrestrial which basically means ....being formed out side of earth atmosphere as in - Meteorite Of which we have many 5 hours ago, ProfD said: Everything else originating outside the Earth's atmosphere has been space debris i.e. rocks. Yes....ET Rocks 5 hours ago, ProfD said: I'm reasonable. I would accept it if I saw proof of a spaceship crashing landing in a Wal-Mart parking lot and aliens either hopping out or dead. ok you and I been here already....Miami Mall incident 5 hours ago, ProfD said: As with any beliefs and practices, those who contest or oppose it are non-believers or skeptics. I would not classify them as conspirators. Who then were the conspirators....as you said it was obvious that Africans were human? 5 hours ago, ProfD said: It did not take an intelligent person in the US over 300 years to disregard the belief that Black folks were 3/5 human. Only the ignorant would believe such nonsense. For 300 hunderd yrs that idea was held up as true....in nearly all of the US by most white people? Well that would includes professors of nearly every school of thought judges and doctors as well..... all thought and believed Africans were not fully human. Are you saying they were ignorant? or did they know the truth but whent along for expediency sake this making then Conspirators? 5 hours ago, ProfD said: To uphold a lie and/or hide the truth of a theory in order to deceive would make those conspirators. Then those agents of the FBI who ran COINTELPRO.....are they Conspirators? 5 hours ago, ProfD said: A secret operation is still real. Yes....but while it is a secret no one but the conspirators know it is real.... To every one else it is a theory or allegation. 5 hours ago, ProfD said: I would not classify someone as a conspiracy theorist for merely speculating about the existence of such an operation. Why Not? ....until the break in - no one but the conspirators knew of its reality 5 hours ago, ProfD said: Now, if an individual or group of people is spreading non-factual information as truth...that is a classic case of conspiracy theory. And if as in the case of COINTELPRO it is proven to be true....then they were not spreading nonfactual info - only info that was hidden or kept secret. That is the work of whistleblower to make known what is known by some and hidden from the many. The info whistleblowers release is often called conspiracy theory.....Philip Morris and RJ Reyolds - Big Tobacco
ProfD Posted July 17 Report Posted July 17 On 7/16/2025 at 8:51 PM, frankster said: ok you and I been here already....Miami Mall incident Easily debunked. On 7/16/2025 at 8:51 PM, frankster said: Who then were the conspirators....as you said it was obvious that Africans were human? White folks have always tried to classify non-white folks as less than human. On 7/16/2025 at 8:51 PM, frankster said: For 300 hunderd yrs that idea was held up as true....in nearly all of the US by most white people? Well that would includes professors of nearly every school of thought judges and doctors as well..... all thought and believed Africans were not fully human. Are you saying they were ignorant? Absolutely. Ignorant and deceitful. On 7/16/2025 at 8:51 PM, frankster said: or did they know the truth but whent along for expediency sake this making then Conspirators? Indifferent. White privilege is far more important and valuable to them versus arguing that Black folks are 100% human. On 7/16/2025 at 8:51 PM, frankster said: Then those agents of the FBI who ran COINTELPRO.....are they Conspirators? They were FBI employees doing their jobs. On 7/16/2025 at 8:51 PM, frankster said: Yes....but while it is a secret no one but the conspirators know it is real.... To every one else it is a theory or allegation. The government runs all types of operations. That's why they use designations for information....unclassified, classified, secret, top secret, etc. On 7/16/2025 at 8:51 PM, frankster said: And if as in the case of COINTELPRO it is proven to be true....then they were not spreading nonfactual info - only info that was hidden or kept secret. Sure. They could only speculate until the information became public knowledge. On 7/16/2025 at 8:51 PM, frankster said: That is the work of whistleblower to make known what is known by some and hidden from the many. The info whistleblowers release is often called conspiracy theory.....Philip Morris and RJ Reyolds - Big Tobacco Whistleblowers are people who have access to information and the ability to bring receipts i.e. legitimate proof and evidence.
frankster Posted July 17 Author Report Posted July 17 9 hours ago, ProfD said: Easily debunked. Says you and for you.... When whistle blowers were saying ciggarettes cause illness and cancer.....even doctors said it was a lie - so it was easily debunked Now we all know they were telling the truth. 9 hours ago, ProfD said: White folks have always tried to classify nin-white folks as less than human. It that an admission to a conspiracy that some white folks used to oppress and expliot black folks.... While tricking other white folks to go along by feeding them misinformation. 9 hours ago, ProfD said: Absolutely. Ignorant and deceitful. Who then is responsible for the misinformation? 9 hours ago, ProfD said: Indifferent. White privilege is far more important and valuable to them versus arguing that Black folks are 100% human. Not indifferent....they were Incentivise. White privilege is the other side of Africans being considered and treat as a subhuman life form 9 hours ago, ProfD said: They were FBI employees doing their jobs. Yes....as part of the Conspiracy 9 hours ago, ProfD said: The government runs all types of operations. That's why they use designations for information....unclassified, classified, secret, top secret, etc. Any thing that is held secret by a few is a conspiracy. If people not party to the secret begin to suspect or some who are party to the secret experience a change of heart and begin to speak out. What they are saying is considered a Conspiracy theory....until their words are proven true. 9 hours ago, ProfD said: Sure. They could only speculate until the information became public knowledge. That speculation is why they use the word Theory For Whistle blowers it is not a speculation.....it is and always was the truth. 9 hours ago, ProfD said: Whistleblowers are people who have access to information and the ability to bring receipts i.e. legitimate proof and evidence. Yes....they have the truth.. Often they do not always have enough receipts.. Or reciepts that is beyond discreditation....
Pioneer1 Posted July 18 Report Posted July 18 frankster After interacting with me for months and months, haven't you learned ANYTHING from me? Why haven't you posted the actual DEFINITION of "Conspiracy" yet? That would begin to wrap up the argument right there, lol. Drugs, vaccines, the prison industrial complex, and racism itself are all products of CONSPIRACIES by it's very definition.
frankster Posted July 18 Author Report Posted July 18 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster After interacting with me for months and months, haven't you learned ANYTHING from me? I have learned a lot 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Why haven't you posted the actual DEFINITION of "Conspiracy" yet? Then what would I have to look forward to....unlike you @ProfD recognizes when the argument has become repetitive tiresome and ridiculous. With you @Pioneer1 on the other hand your tenacity and ability to argue the insignificant gives my much long lasting fun and laughter.. @Troy on the other hand just leaves you hanging..... I chalk it up to him being busy with the website for which I am extremely glad -Now if he knows he has you on the ropes he will find time to keep you pinned down. 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: That would begin to wrap up the argument right there, lol. I know with you that would only be the beginning 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Drugs, vaccines, the prison industrial complex, and racism itself are all products of CONSPIRACIES by it's very definition. I am only getting started....thanks for the advice You are right I should have.... Instead I did Ask him his definition....of what a Conspiracy theory is - hoping that I could undermine his own bias and definition. His personal definition does not comport with the dictionary definition....put he does accept my use of the dictionary definition Had It been you that would be one of the my first questions....as you tend to use a tactic of Reductio/Argumentum ad Adsurdum
ProfD Posted July 18 Report Posted July 18 59 minutes ago, frankster said: @ProfD recognizes when the argument has become repetitive tiresome and ridiculous I enjoy going back-and-forth as long as it is entertaining.
Pioneer1 Posted July 19 Report Posted July 19 As Cynique mentioned in another thread not too long ago, in many cases it's really more of a pissing contest than a debate. Who can "shine" the most or win the most applause. Problem is, there's not much audience participation so besides standing on principle....there's not a lot of incentive to do my best work in these debates. What me and frankster do is nothing compared to what I used to participate in back in the day when web discussion boards were REALLY in full swing. This was before twitter and Instagram where so many people have become ADHD and can't focus for more than 2 minutes. I'd participate in Black discussion boards where EVERYTHING was debated. A thread may go into 20 or 40 pages of debate and participation. Religion, race, sex, religious teachings, etc.. Lipstick Alley is only a TASTE of what it used to be like. The Nation of Islam based discussion boards were VERY articulate. You'd start off a discussion with definitions.....lol. On one site, the brother who ran it used to post books for reference on the site so we could click on and verify the accuracy of an assertion somebody made. The debate on one topic may go into 5 or 6 months, and you had 20 or 30 people engaging eachother in different debates. ....and we LOVED it. Now to keep it real, I'm not sure how "productive" those activities were for us personally or for the community. Not sure how many houses it built, how many people it fed, or how much money it generated. .....just sitting around arguing and debating with eachother day and night....lol. But entertainment wise, it was very fun.
ProfD Posted July 19 Report Posted July 19 27 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Now to keep it real, I'm not sure how "productive" those activities were for us personally or for the community. Not sure how many houses it built, how many people it fed, or how much money it generated. .....just sitting around arguing and debating with eachother day and night....lol. But entertainment wise, it was very fun. Most forms of social media are more of a time sink i.e. entertainment than productive where folks solve problems and/or form partnerships and businesses to generate wealth. Social media sites are an alternative form of entertainment to watching TV and movies or listening to music. Despite the limited participation here...it's all good. I enjoy the discussions and debate.
Troy Posted July 20 Report Posted July 20 8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The Nation of Islam based discussion boards were VERY articulate. The NOI boards no longer exist? Did all the participants just go to social media?
Pioneer1 Posted July 20 Report Posted July 20 15 hours ago, Troy said: The NOI boards no longer exist? Did all the participants just go to social media? Honestly, I'm not sure....but I don't see them around like I used to 15 and 20 years ago. Like much of Cyberspace, I guess a lot of people don't have the patience or attention span to participate on actual discussion boards and would rather text out 4 or 5 word responses with emojis multiple times a day while driving and going to the store...lol. Actually sitting down to a computer and formulating a well educated response with paragraphs and reference links is too "boring" for a lot of younger people. I remember participating on a Black Canadian site for years and the women LOVED to see the men debating eachother over things like politics, religion, and the African Diaspora. They could feel the testosterone oozing through the screen to see intelligent Black (American as well as Caribbean and African) men battling eachother intellectually and expressing themselves in an intelligent way. This was years before the ADOS and FBA movements where most of the exchanges between Black Americans, Africans, and Caribbeans were friendly and curious...lol.
Troy Posted July 21 Report Posted July 21 Yeah, the Internet did promise to do all of those things in terms of bringing different people together. It seems the possibility of that has been hampered by the profit motive. I know I sound like a broken record, but the algorithm behind social media really made social media far worse, eliminating virtually any potential for benefiting humanity. AI will make things worse still. So much of what we see on social media is artificially created, and that is a problem for all of us. The only potential saving grace is that people will come back to platforms where humans are talking to humans. Where the interactions are not mediated by an algorithm. …at least one can hope.
Pioneer1 Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 Troy I think we're going to be just fine. Remember just a few years back when people thought the world was literally coming to an end because of Covid. Now, the word is barely mentioned. Despite so many people having lost loved ones to it and so many still dealing with complications from it, you barely hear about it in society. Humanity has a way of adapting.
Troy Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Humanity has a way of adapting. Humanity has a short attention span. Millions of people have died from covid globally. People are STILL dying from Covid and we are dealing with vaccine hesitancy and vaccine deniers. 6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I think we're going to be just fine. You and I may be fine, I'm not so confident about the people coming behind us. My grown kids are living in a much more challenging world than the one I came up in -- despite have hand-held super computers, self-driving cars, and Facebook.
ProfD Posted July 22 Report Posted July 22 4 hours ago, Troy said: You and I may be fine, I'm not so confident about the people coming behind us. My grown kids are living in a much more challenging world than the one I came up in -- despite have hand-held super computers, self-driving cars, and Facebook. Every generation has as similar feeling about the next one. Over half-century ago, I can remember the elders claiming those were the "last and evil days". I have no idea of how much longer humans will be on the big blue marble but I'm confident the generations behind us will be just fine. To @Pioneer1's point...human adaptability has been consistent.
frankster Posted August 20 Author Report Posted August 20 On 7/22/2025 at 10:47 AM, Troy said: Humanity has a short attention span. Yes....humanity has a short attention span and or memory. Right now we are in the midst of Trump and his MAGA people attempting to rewrite black history.... by taking the teaching of the kidnapping(fence) and enslavery of Africans by US citizens and corporations with the aproval and or support of the US Governmament out of the curriculum of all schools or so I am told. On 7/22/2025 at 10:47 AM, Troy said: Millions of people have died from covid globally. Yes the great culling or the mark of the beast - choose your pick On 7/22/2025 at 10:47 AM, Troy said: People are STILL dying from Covid and we are dealing with vaccine hesitancy and vaccine deniers. Yes here is one of the many reasons I am a socalled vaccine deniers/hesitancier...I consider myself a vaccine realist meaning vaccine are being misused Bill Gates famous Equation....CO 2=PxSxExC Pay attention to what is being said....New vaccine health Care and Reproductive Health Birth Control Bill Gates - Population - Vaccines
Troy Posted August 27 Report Posted August 27 @frankster are you trying to suggest that the vaccine is an attempt to kill to sterilize people? If so, wouldn't it have been easier just to not administer a vaccine and let many millions more people die? On 7/22/2025 at 3:51 PM, ProfD said: Over half-century ago, I can remember the elders claiming those were the "last and evil days". It wasn't just the last generation folks have been saying that since Christianity started. I agree with you and Pioneer humanity is pretty resilient. I'm not saying humanity is ending anytime soon. All I'm saying is that we had it easier than young adults do today -- all things being equal. College, Housing, Insurance it is all just so much more expensive now -- even going to a restaurant and having a couple of cocktails is just so much more expensive than it was when I was a young adult.
ProfD Posted August 27 Report Posted August 27 12 hours ago, Troy said: All I'm saying is that we had it easier than young adults do today -- all things being equal. College, Housing, Insurance it is all just so much more expensive now -- even going to a restaurant and having a couple of cocktails is just so much more expensive than it was when I was a young adult. Sure. I guess it depends on who is footing the bill(s) as well. Nowadays, many young adults have parents and/or grandparents who have done well enough to cover their expenses too. More young adults are still living at home, being carried on someone else's insurance, etc. Then, young adults are putting their resources together and doing the roommate thing or whatever it takes to survive. Every generation figures it out one way or another.
Troy Posted August 27 Report Posted August 27 1 hour ago, ProfD said: Nowadays, many young adults have parents and/or grandparents who have done well enough to cover their expenses too. Sure, and despite that benefit they are still worse off. 1 hour ago, ProfD said: More young adults are still living at home, being carried on someone else's insurance, etc. Sure, and this is out of necessity. Today if you are a 30-year-old man still living at home that is perfectly acceptable. When I was 30 you could not legitimately call yourself, a man still sulking at momma teat in your childhood bedroom. 1 hour ago, ProfD said: Every generation figures it out one way or another. Of course. We/they have to.
ProfD Posted August 27 Report Posted August 27 1 hour ago, Troy said: Sure, and despite that benefit they are still worse off. I guess worse off is relative too. Funny thing about growing up in the 'hood is that one would be hard pressed to tell that Black folks were poor or didn't have much. There was always fun, laughter, food and music, etc. Fast-forward to present and I see the same thing when I go back to the 'hood. Folks are still scratching surviving like Good Times. 1 hour ago, Troy said: Sure, and this is out of necessity. Today if you are a 30-year-old man still living at home that is perfectly acceptable. Only acceptable to family and friends. Society still thinks that *man* is a bum. 1 hour ago, Troy said: When I was 30 you could not legitimately call yourself, a man still sulking at momma teat in your childhood bedroom. Beyond the puss*fication of society, that sh8t is still unacceptable among real men.
Pioneer1 Posted August 27 Report Posted August 27 Troy If so, wouldn't it have been easier just to not administer a vaccine and let many millions more people die? frankster can speak for himself, however if I may chime in..... The issue with that theoretical strategy is that the virus WASN'T killing people by the millions, let alone sterilizing them. Granted, unlike the flu....the virus affected multiple organs in the body and caused a lot more long term damage but it's mortality rate wasn't too much higher than that of the typical flu, especially when you take in the mortality rate of seniors and those with pre-existing conditions. People are catching Covid MULTIPLE times and are not only functioning in society as they were before but still reproducing. All I'm saying is that we had it easier than young adults do today -- all things being equal. College, Housing, Insurance it is all just so much more expensive now You're keeping it a buck right there. It's harder for both young men AND young women but in my opinion it's much harder for young men today than it was 30 years ago. Much more confusion. Especially for AMERICAN men. If you come from another culture where male expectations are still solidly intact and you are taught what's expected of you, you may find it a little easier living here...as long as you stay in your own community. But trying to be a young man in the U.S. in 2025???? Man..... ProfD Then, young adults are putting their resources together and doing the roommate thing or whatever it takes to survive. And see, when I was coming...you were considered a BUM if you lived like that. In Michigan atleast. The ideal was to own/mortage a HOUSE. That was what most people of average intelligence were doing. Either by themselves or with a spouse. If you were living in an apartment, your family "talked" about you and said you were still trying to find your way...lol. Unless those apartments were the PROJECTS....lol. But living with a "roomate" back in the day was something people one step above homeless, or just got out, or had some sort of mental issue and got kicked out from their family did. Even in Detroit in the projects you didn't really have a "roomate". 95% of the residents were women with children and their boyfriends who would drop in and out. But now a days you have people with solid middle class jobs who are sharing houses and apartments with roomates and people they barely know because the cost of living is so high.
frankster Posted August 28 Author Report Posted August 28 22 hours ago, Troy said: @frankster are you trying to suggest that the vaccine is an attempt to kill to sterilize people? If so, wouldn't it have been easier just to not administer a vaccine and let many millions more people die? First let us realize or acknowledge that what we call the Covid Virus was originally a virus that could not infect human beings....it only existed in pigs and bats Dr Fauci and his cohorts decided to do Gain of Function research on it to see if they could could make it capable of infecing human beings....thereby creating a Biological Weapon The Obama Administration made his research illegal and stopped funding....Dr Fauci and his cohorts move their research to Wuhan China The Virus was and is a chimera made to kill humans...The virus itself was no as effective as hoped for This Novel Virus was then used as a catalyst to implement.....Disaster Capitalism - The highly profitable socalled Covid19 vaccine How do you know millions of more people would die? By adminsitering the vaccine they insured future business and a lessening of useless eaters....Population Control - Eugenics People who are seen as the variable that is most controllable in the socalled ongoing CO2 crisis Also please realize than many people who were suspected or diagnose with covid were sent home without any medication or treatment and were told to shelter in place and seclusion. 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Troy If so, wouldn't it have been easier just to not administer a vaccine and let many millions more people die? frankster can speak for himself, however if I may chime in..... The issue with that theoretical strategy is that the virus WASN'T killing people by the millions, let alone sterilizing them. Granted, unlike the flu....the virus affected multiple organs in the body and caused a lot more long term damage but it's mortality rate wasn't too much higher than that of the typical flu, especially when you take in the mortality rate of seniors and those with pre-existing conditions. People are catching Covid MULTIPLE times and are not only functioning in society as they were before but still reproducing. EXactly.... If it was half as deadly and contagious as they said it was......why was the prison population not decimated????
Troy Posted August 28 Report Posted August 28 19 hours ago, ProfD said: I guess worse off is relative too. By definition. 19 hours ago, ProfD said: Beyond the puss*fication of society, that sh8t is still unacceptable among real men. I had not though about it that way. But what people call "microaggressions" today would have been laughable when I was a young man. If I see a brother wringing his hands over a micro-aggression in the office... well that is good example of puss*fication of society. 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: But trying to be a young man in the U.S. in 2025???? There was a program in NOR this week talking about how to educate boys (white ones). The education system was optimized for white boys! I did not listen closely to the program (honestly not very interested) but geesh what the heck has happened?! 13 hours ago, frankster said: Dr Fauci and his cohorts decided to do Gain of Function research on it to see if they could could make it capable of infecing human beings....thereby creating a Biological Weapon Wow! With this as your foundation there I clearly have nothing I can say that would absolve you of this outrageous notion. I know you are not alone in this belief. Still, it astonishes me that in world with access to more information than ever people can be informed to result in completely diametrically opposed understanding on such an important issue. 13 hours ago, frankster said: why was the prison population not decimated???? Incarcerated people, and staff, contracted covid and died at a higher rate than the general population. "Decimated" is hyperbolic, but one might argue that prison populations, nursing homes, indigenous communities, people with co-morbities were "decimated" during the pandemic. The vaccine helped save a great many lives. Sure, many people would have survived without getting vaccinated but that would NOT have helped the more vulnerable people who could have contracted from someone presenting with no symptoms.
ProfD Posted August 28 Report Posted August 28 2 hours ago, Troy said: I had not though about it that way. But what people call "microaggressions" today would have been laughable when I was a young man. If I see a brother wringing his hands over a micro-aggression in the office... well that is good example of puss*fication of society. Right. In addition to hyper-white nationalism, the current administration is also trying to overturn the puss*fication of society. There is a hyper-masculine component to what they're trying to do as well. From tearing down DEI and LGBTQIA+ to military recruitment...there is a masculinization effort under way too. I'm curious to see how far women are going to let this administration go in snatching themselves out of prominent positions and being replaced by men.
frankster Posted August 28 Author Report Posted August 28 1 hour ago, Troy said: Wow! With this as your foundation there I clearly have nothing I can say that would absolve you of this outrageous notion. I know you are not alone in this belief. Still, it astonishes me that in world with access to more information than ever people can be informed to result in completely diametrically opposed understanding on such an important issue. Yes...that is my foundation If you find any part or all of it to be false please inform me to its inaccuracy with the salient copy post and links 1 hour ago, Troy said: Incarcerated people, and staff, contracted covid and died at a higher rate than the general population. "Decimated" is hyperbolic, but one might argue that prison populations, nursing homes, indigenous communities, people with co-morbities were "decimated" during the pandemic. Yes incarcerated people died at an increase rate than the general population.....but isnt this always the case? - wregardless of a pandemic or not? Of a Prison Population of around 1 million little over 3000 deaths as a result of or atrributed to covid.....That is less than 1% 1 hour ago, Troy said: The vaccine helped save a great many lives. Sure, many people would have survived without getting vaccinated but that would NOT have helped the more vulnerable people who could have contracted from someone presenting with no symptoms. Many doctors would it seems disagree.... At the same time those who spoke out against vaccine and its morbidity were penalized - Most recieved threats of being put on probation unboarded/disbarred suspended or revocation of license.
Troy Posted August 29 Report Posted August 29 6 hours ago, frankster said: Yes...that is my foundation If you find any part or all of it to be false please inform me to its inaccuracy with the salient copy post and links As I wrote, there is clearly nothing that I can post that would change your mind. Even the fact that prisoners died at a higher rate from Covid you distorted what I wrote to imply that prisoners die at a higher rate in general. But again, your bias is so extreme, it borders on being delusional. 6 hours ago, frankster said: At the same time those who spoke out against vaccine and its morbidity were penalized - Most recieved threats of being put on probation unboarded/disbarred suspended or revocation of license. Has it occurred to you that might be the case because those doctors deserved to have their licenses revoked? I’m not sure what “many doctors” means to you, but I’m quite confident it was a small minority of them. @frankster are you a complete anti-vaxxer or is it just a Covid vaccine? @frankster I don’t suppose you know very many people who died from Covid, was hospitalized from Covid, or is currently suffering from long Covid?
aka Contrarian Posted August 29 Report Posted August 29 My introduction to the concept of conspiracy theories dates back to 1963 when the assassination of JFK spawned what would become a cult of passionate, fanatic people driven by the idea that the killing of this popular POTUS was not the random act of a disgruntled lone wolf. Especially since Lee Harvey Oswald was, himself, later murdered. Altho over the years I have been inundated with a multitude of theories, many of which were romanticized, I have never bought into the idea that Kennedy's death was the result of an organized conspiracy. And to this day there has never been any absolute proof to change my mind. What I observed over the years about conpiracy theorists was that they all harbor a certain mindset that imagines - a sinister cabal of men, the "They" who are plotting against the innocent good guys made up of the "Us" who will be the target of an evil organized PLOT. You know, - the way a James Bond movie unfolds... What all this has given rise to is an interesting response from Psychologists who typify conspiracy theorists as victims of the "Kruger-Dunning Syndrome", people who all have one thing in common; a trait which inflates their ego because they all believe that they are too. smart. to. be. fooled, something they've convinced elevates them above others who haven't "caught on" to what's really going on. This core belief gives these folks a false sense of superiority, inasmuch as many are only average in intellelligence and would undergo a cognitive dissonance type reaction if forced to confront their fallibilty. I find this psycho-babbo interesting. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Pioneer1 Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 Troy/All There was a program in NOR this week talking about how to educate boys (white ones). The education system was optimized for white boys! I did not listen closely to the program (honestly not very interested) but geesh what the heck has happened?! This is because there's a struggle between 2 Agendas....... -The educational system (like the society in general) was originally designed BY White males FOR White males. -But for the past 50 or 60 years though, the educational system has increasingly been influenced by feminists to punish masculinity and assertiveness in order to make a more docile and submissive population. Because of this, WOMEN tend to thrive much more in this modern educational system than men. You'll see far more women in college and other forms of higher education than men UNLESS they come from foreign countries. And when it comes to special education classes, juvenile delinquency, and children being labeled as "problematic" and put on psychatric medication -you'll see far more males experiencing this than females. Even the CORPORATE environment in the United States is geared more towards a female feminine atmosphere where masculinity isn't welcomed. Most masculine men don't do well in modern corporate environments where any aggression or expressions of sexuality is often punished directly or indirectly. Gay men thrive, though....lol. This is not by accident. There's actually a struggle going on in this society between working class WASP White men (exemplified by MAGA supporters) who are trying to encourage survivalist skills and promote masculinity amongst White males - and the more refined "globalist" White racists who are promoting a massive depopulation agenda that encourages feminism and encourages the majority of men of ALL races to become docile, submissive, and more feminine so that they are more easily controlled. Those two groups are fighting eachother for power right here in the United States.
aka Contrarian Posted August 31 Report Posted August 31 There was a school of thought back in my day which had to do with using integration as a gateway to "infilterating" predominately white schools. This provided the opportunity to observe and learn to function in the white corporate world. Both the highschool and college I attended were at that time 95% white so it was possible to get a good, well-rounded education by osmosis. This came in handy later on when "code switching" became a weapon in the arsenal of upwardly mobile Blacks manueuvering their way through the white collar world of America. This manipulation of your "slave masters" dates back to slavery days. LOL
Troy Posted August 31 Report Posted August 31 By the time I started school the environment was certainly optimized for girls -- virtually all my teachers in primary were white women. When I started in the corporate world martinis at lunch, smoking in the office, and female secretaries were common of course that all changed by the time I left, but corporate life was still dominated by white men or people who behaved like them. I'm sure things have changed a great deal depending upon the industry. Anecdotally we need more men in school and women in corporate America. I don't think the current situation is a "plan." On 8/29/2025 at 6:30 AM, aka Contrarian said: "Kruger-Dunning Syndrome", people who all have one thing in common; a trait which inflates their ego because they all believe that they are too. smart. to. be. fooled, Yeah dumb people don't know how dumb they are in a given subject and overestimate their knowledge on said subject. Which is why people who know every little about science will easily reject the conclusions drawn by the scientific community in fair of any lunatic who says something that make sense to someone with limited knowledge or a desired to misled people...
Pioneer1 Posted August 31 Report Posted August 31 2 hours ago, Troy said: Yeah dumb people don't know how dumb they are in a given subject and overestimate their knowledge on said subject. Which is why people who know every little about science will easily reject the conclusions drawn by the scientific community in fair of any lunatic who says something that make sense to someone with limited knowledge or a desired to misled people... Even the dumbest people may not know much about science or statistics but they DO know what they've experienced and what they've seen. Which is why so many people don't trust the "official narrative". If people are told that if you get the shot you won't catch Covid. And people get the shot and STILL catch Covid...they see that. If they are THEN told that if you get the shot you can still catch Covid but it won't be as severe. And people get the shot and STILL end up being hospitalized...they see that. If they are THEN told that....well...f you get the shot you can still catch Covid and if you have pre-existing conditions it may still be severe but atleast you won't die. And people get the shot and STILL end up dying....of Covid AND other problems...they see that too. Who's the stupid person: The one who believes every official narrative they read in a book or news paper? Or the one who believes what they actually see and experience in real life?
aka Contrarian Posted August 31 Report Posted August 31 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Even the dumbest people may not know much about science or statistics but they DO know what they've experienced and what they've seen. Which is why so many people don't trust the "official narrative". If people are told that if you get the shot you won't catch Covid. And people get the shot and STILL catch Covid...they see that. If they are THEN told that if you get the shot you can still catch Covid but it won't be as severe. And people get the shot and STILL end up being hospitalized...they see that. If they are THEN told that....well...f you get the shot you can still catch Covid and if you have pre-existing conditions it may still be severe but atleast you won't die. And people get the shot and STILL end up dying....of Covid AND other problems...they see that too. Who's the stupid person: The one who believes every official narrative they read in a book or news paper? Or the one who believes what they actually see and experience in real eorld. The person who believes there is an organized "conspiracy" afoot because they trust the YouTube videos by nutjobs who say so.
Troy Posted September 1 Report Posted September 1 @Pioneer1 your narrative perfectly illustrates the problem.
aka Contrarian Posted September 1 Report Posted September 1 50 minutes ago, Troy said: @Pioneer1 your narrative perfectly illustrates the problem. Nobody has ever claimed that vaccines are perfect and don't have side effects. What if the Government had proclaimed that the vaccine would only be available to upperclass white people? The rest of the population would've been clamouring for "the jab", crying "discrimination", maybe even rioting in the streets to get it. Black folks, in particular, would be goin crazy! Or, what if the scientific authorities had just stood around, wringing their hands, lamenting that there was nothing they could do about the pandemic? They would've been criticized and condemned by the very people who are now anti-vaxxers. Reactions are influenced by circumstances, obviously. People will always find something to bitch and moan about. Especially the ones who think they are too. smart. to. be. fooled. zzzzzzzz
Pioneer1 Posted September 1 Report Posted September 1 What's wrong with making it available to all people and letting THE PEOPLE decide whether they want to take it or not, without threats and coercion? That alone would have quelled a lot of the accusations and conspiracy "theories" around it. Anytime you try hard as hell to FORCE the masses to do something, that should automatically raise red flags.
ProfD Posted September 1 Report Posted September 1 On 8/31/2025 at 8:57 AM, aka Contrarian said: There was a school of thought back in my day which had to do with using integration as a gateway to "infilterating" predominately white schools. This provided the opportunity to observe and learn to function in the white corporate world. Right. We were supposed to learn how the system worked and create our own institutions and wealth-building. On 8/31/2025 at 8:57 AM, aka Contrarian said: This came in handy later on when "code switching" became a weapon in the arsenal of upwardly mobile Blacks manueuvering their way through the white collar world of America. Instead of creating wealth-building institutions, many of our people got intoxicated from gross consumerism and trying to live like white folks. On 8/31/2025 at 8:57 AM, aka Contrarian said: This manipulation of your "slave masters" dates back to slavery days. LOL To date, as the system of racism white supremacy is alive and well, Black folks haven't manipulated the slave master and/or broken out of the prison. I always get a chuckle out of n8gglets who claim they were running the prison while doing their bid. 1
aka Contrarian Posted September 1 Report Posted September 1 Well,Prof. In the real world, sometimes you have to settle for small victories. I gather that you, as an individual, are doin well fir yourself, and as a spectator, can afford to sit back and watch the big farce play out. Life ain't never promised nobody nothin. But, sometimes you catch a break and since you can't save the world, you just go with the flow and when it comes to your peeps, ya just dos da best ya can... a chorus of negro voices humming an old spiritual in the background...
ProfD Posted September 2 Report Posted September 2 1 hour ago, aka Contrarian said: Well,Prof. In the real world, sometimes you have to settle for small victories. I gather that you, as an individual, are doin well fir yourself, and as a spectator, can afford to sit back and watch the big farce play out. True on all accounts. 1 hour ago, aka Contrarian said: Life ain't never promised nobody nothin. But, sometimes you catch a break and since you can't save the world, you just go with the flow and when it comes to your peeps, ya just dos da best ya can... Hardest part is knowing n8gglets who had similar opportunities but just couldn't get right or do right long enough to enjoy success. 1 hour ago, aka Contrarian said: ...a chorus of negro voices humming an old spiritual in the background... That's hilarious. All I can do is accompany their singing voices from the piano. 1
frankster Posted September 4 Author Report Posted September 4 On 8/28/2025 at 9:20 PM, Troy said: As I wrote, there is clearly nothing that I can post that would change your mind. No true....presents the facts I welcome new information..... On 8/28/2025 at 9:20 PM, Troy said: Even the fact that prisoners died at a higher rate from Covid you distorted what I wrote to imply that prisoners die at a higher rate in general. But again, your bias is so extreme, it borders on being delusional. It is not a distortion.... If prisoners die at a higher rate than the general population when things are socalled normal. Then If there is a infectious pandemic (Covid 19) then one would expect them to die at a still higher rate from Covid 19 than the general population.. Especial with Prisoners having little access to PPE and six feet a part social distancing virtually impossible On 8/28/2025 at 9:20 PM, Troy said: Has it occurred to you that might be the case because those doctors deserved to have their licenses revoked? Yes it has occured to me.... Some of the doctors were the first to go public and state that these are not vaccines but gene therapy and so got there license revoked.....then here is what one of the covid 19 vaccine makers said in his excitement to get this new tech on the market and into your veins....Disaster Capitalism Here is why I believe the head of Bayer said the following President of Bayer Pharmaceuticals Says mRNA Is Gene Editing Technology On 8/28/2025 at 9:20 PM, Troy said: I’m not sure what “many doctors” means to you, but I’m quite confident it was a small minority of them. Yes it is a small amount that were actually decertified or recieved disciplinary action...but they still qualify as "many" I think it is 1 in 10 doctors who are refered to as anti-vaxxers or are vaccine hesitant....Hope petition On 8/28/2025 at 9:20 PM, Troy said: @frankster are you a complete anti-vaxxer or is it just a Covid vaccine? No I am not a paritsan....so in that sense I am not a anti-vaxxer Am I against vaccines.....Only its miss use and over use. Covid 19 is not a vaccine....it is gene therapy Am I against gene therapy - only its misuse abuse and over use....and the idea that it is the only treatment for Covid 19 influenza virus(Sars-Cov 2) The greatest damage it has caused is yet to be seen and or recognized as its result are slated to bear fruit in 75 yrs.....talk about denability. I am not against the technology gene therapy and gene editing.....just against its misuse obfuscation and non consentual use On 8/28/2025 at 9:20 PM, Troy said: @frankster I don’t suppose you know very many people who died from Covid, was hospitalized from Covid, or is currently suffering from long Covid? Personally I know three individual who it is said they died from Covid..... I know of no one who is suffering with long covid...
Troy Posted September 4 Report Posted September 4 6 hours ago, frankster said: Covid 19 is not a vaccine....it is gene therapy This statement is completely false. We’ve gone over this already. The Covid vaccine is not gene therapy. it took me five seconds to find several sources that fact checked the guy statement you can read one here: https://fullfact.org/health/bayer-covid-vaccine-gene-therapy/ you can also read what the center for disease control has written about the Covid vaccine not being Gene Editing. https://www.cdc.gov/covid/vaccines/how-they-work.html This information is easily and freely available to anyone who was interested in learning about the subject. Again, this is freely available information from the scientific community you have chosen to not look for it, or you have found it and simply rejected it. There is no reason for me to believe that there is anything I can write that will convince you otherwise. I’m not sure why people continue to propagate this myth of a vaccine being Gene Editing even if it was Gene Editing and it prevented millions of deaths would it be a bad thing? I just don’t understand this phenomenon. @frankster now that I presented you with the information you requested are you gonna change your mind?
ProfD Posted September 4 Report Posted September 4 15 hours ago, frankster said: The greatest damage it has caused is yet to be seen and or recognized as its result are slated to bear fruit in 75 yrs.....talk about denability. The decision to seal the vaccine contents for 75 years raised my eyebrow. Most of the people who received the jab during the pandemic will be dead and gone in 75 years. The youngest person to have received the vaccination during the pandemic will be well over 80 years old if/when the file is unsealed. Of course, the current administration could possibly have the file unsealed within the next 3.5 years if there is a case to made. At the rate they are coming against the Center for Disease Control (CDC), the Department of Health and Human services (HHS) under its current leadership might spill the tea even sooner.
Troy Posted September 5 Report Posted September 5 You too @ProfD? Were either of you two vaccinated? 8 hours ago, ProfD said: The decision to seal the vaccine contents for 75 years raised my eyebrow. Where did you get this information from? Who who said the contents were sealed? did you go look for this information and then discover that the documents were sealed for 75 years? The contents of the vaccine have not been sealed for 75 years. They’re available on the web. Man, we live in a world with access to so much information, but collectively we are so ill informed.
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