The Problem With Madea and Distorting The Image Of Black Women

[Pioneer1]

I haven't watched ANY of those "Madea" movies.
Purposely.

 

Nor have I watched Martin Lawrence's "Big Mamma" movies.

 

I think both franchise films disgrace and insult Black women by portraying them as masculine and ultra-violent, and really those movies make them easier targets for racist violence.
 

While the older White woman is portrayed as a sweet, kind hearted, cookie baking grand ma....Tyler's Madea portrays the older Black woman as a foul mouthed, combative, violent, half-masculine, heathen who not only deserves heavy handed treatment but is strong enough to and built to tolerate as much abuse as you can inflict on her.

So the next time a White or Latino cop pulls over a Black woman....with the images of a tough foul mouthed Madea or Big Mama in his head....maybe he won't treat her the same as he would the more "delicate" and "lady like" White woman who isn't portrayed in that manner.

I know a lot of our sisters and even some silly brothers take "pride" in our women being portrayed as STRONG and TOUGH and SHARP TONGUED.
How foolish.

All that does is take away ANY sympathy a racist enemy may have in dealing with her, that's all.

There is NO benefit in our women being portrayed as strong, masculine, foul mouthed, and violent.....none.

[aka Contrarian]

Watta crock of shit coming from a letcher who misses no opportunity to salivate over and objectify black women as sex objects, who just recently boasted about expecting  sexual compensation from any organization that accepted the dubious distinction of his membership. 

Your hypocrisy is incredible, your homophobia and misogny  toxic.

[ProfD]

The feminization of Black men and masculinization of Black women is another form of divide and conquer under the system of racism white supremacy.

 

 

 

[aka Contrarian]

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

The feminization of Black men and masculinization of Black women is another form of divide and conquer under the system of racism white supremacy.

 

 

 

Well, I guess Tyler Perry is an unwitting tool of those given credit for being able to turn people into being something their brains weren't wired for in the first place. 

I prefer to attribute this perceived threat, to the evolving of the human species which at some point in the not too distant future will probably become a race of sexually-interchangeable beings. 

 

If, as soooo many people believe, (because, of course, they are too smart to be fooled,) their women become masculine and their men become feminine who's to say this will make Blacks more manageable?

'Might make them even more of a dangerous threat. 

 

And, as anybody who has actually seen a MADEA movie knows, her female co-stars present an entirely different image from her persona, - which is not always tough in the first place.

These films are the least of black folks' worries.

 

But, the "black dialogue" is what it is. 

 

[ProfD]

48 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

Well, I guess Tyler Perry is an unwitting tool of those given credit for being able to turn people into being something their brains weren't wired for in the first place. 

I'm not suggesting there people are becoming or turned into being effeminate or masculine. 

 

The acceptance of effeminate in men and masculine in women behavior and images has been normalized especially when it comes to black folks.

 

 

48 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

If, as soooo many people believe, (because, of course, they are too smart to be fooled,) their women become masculine and their men become feminine who's to say this will make Blacks more manageable?

'Might make them even more of a dangerous threat. 

 

And, as anybody who has actually seen a MADEA movie knows, her female co-stars present an entirely different image from her persona, - which is not always tough in the first place.

I have seen most of the Madea movies except for the most recent. 

 

Black men are not usually portrayed as *strong* characters and leaders in those movies. 

 

But, as mentioned, the Madea movies are intended to be low humor. 

 

While the Madea movies may not be designed to make social statements and/or reflect stereotypical images...they do.

[Pioneer1]

Cynique

 

Watta crock of shit coming from a letcher who misses no opportunity to salivate over and objectify black women as sex objects, who just recently boasted about expecting  sexual compensation from any organization that accepted the dubious distinction of his membership. 

Your hypocrisy is incredible, your homophobia and misogny  toxic.

 

You know....
I'm getting a little tired of your disrespectful demeanor.

 

 

 

 

 

ProfD

 

The feminization of Black men and masculinization of Black women is another form of divide and conquer under the system of racism white supremacy

 

Part of the agenda to DESTABILIZE the community and maintain a state of confusion and imbalance.

 

 

 

The acceptance of effeminate in men and masculine in women behavior and images has been normalized especially when it comes to black folks.

 

Notice how you don't see movies like this being produced by Arabs or Indians.
They wouldn't allow their community to be disgraced like that.

We know there are sissified Arabs and Indians; but you couldn't PAY an Arab or Indian man enough money to put on a wig and dress and do a movie portraying himself as an old Arab lady.
He'd be too afraid of what would happen to him from some crazy zealot who catches wind of it!
They often keep eachother in check when it comes to shit like that.

 

Black men are not usually portrayed as *strong* characters and leaders in those movies. 

 

As said in another thread, I don't watch most of Tyler Perry's movies but it seemed to me in the handful I DID sit a few minutes through....the only strong positive male in the film was HIM.

 

Reminds me of the preacher in the Black Church.
He can be the only MAN in the church.
Everybody else is either women or sissies.
No other competition.

 

[ProfD]

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

The acceptance of effeminate in men and masculine in women behavior and images has been normalized especially when it comes to black folks.

 

Notice how you don't see movies like this being produced by Arabs or Indians.
They wouldn't allow their community to be disgraced like that.

No other culture embraces and pushes it to the degree that America does.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

We know there are sissified Arabs and Indians; but you couldn't PAY an Arab or Indian man enough money to put on a wig and dress and do a movie portraying himself as an old Arab lady.
He'd be too afraid of what would happen to him from some crazy zealot who catches wind of it!
They often keep eachother in check when it comes to shit like that.

They would be killed in the public square.

 

When POTUS Obama tried to encourage Kenyans to embrace the alphabet soup community, they told him to mind his own gotd8mn bizness.

 

[aka Contrarian]

...just waking up from a good nap. What have we here? Oh wow. Where to begin...

 

Yes, Hollywood does love  the men-portraying-women scenarios. Popular white American actors Tony Curtis and Jack Lemmon set the pace and earned kudos and laughs dressing up as women opposite Marilyn Monroe in "Some Like it Hot". As did Oscar-winners Dustin Hoffman and Robin Williams, when Dustin played "Tootsie", and Robin "Mrs. Doubtfire". 

Nobody could ever accuse the American film industry of not having a sense of humor or of not balancing drama with comedy.

 

And I'm not surprised Pioneer would admire Arabs whose culture is the most misogynistic in the world, demanding their woman hide their faces when they appear in public, as well as walk several steps behind their husbands when they accompany them. Females aren't even allowed to drive cars in some of these Emirates. 

Moreover Pioneer's heroes are the very Arabs who have replaced Jews as the exploitive merchants in black neighborhoods. (Farrakhan be damned! )

Btw, Indian men have portrayed women in the Bollywood movies. And when it comes to the complaints about how black men are portrayed in films, the "art imitating life" mantra could apply...

 

Then,  the great "chain-yanker", grumbles about me not respecting him. Can I help it if the truth hurts? Not to worry, ProfD will step up and soothe his ego after which they will undoubtedly proceed to regale each other with lascivious stories about the 'hos they have laid. Whatever. 

All I gotta say is Jamie Foxx as "Wanda" and Martin Lawrence as "ShaNaNa" get nothin' but love from me. Flip Wilson's "Geradine" character does,too.  Laughter is good medicine. Keeping things in perspective beats blowing them out of proportion. 

The Madea movies have been instrumental in Tyler Perry becoming a successful multi-millionaire film mogul. Plus - he gives back to the community! He definitely has his priorities together and for this, he has earned my respect!

 

Rehashing and focusing on the same ol tired grievances has yet to make a difference. Drone on.

[ProfD]

17 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

ProfD will step up and soothe his ego after which they will undoubtedly proceed to regale each other with lascivious stories about the 'hos they have laid. Whatever. 

That's funny. As a platinum member of the hetero community, while my appreciation of women is unmatched and my affinity for snatch box is undisputed, I have never detailed my escapades and adventures in tickling tulips on this forum or anywhere else.

[aka Contrarian]

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

That's funny. As a platinum member of the hetero community, while my appreciation of women is unmatched and my affinity for snatch box is undisputed, I have never detailed my escapades and adventures in tickling tulips on this forum or anywhere else.

Well, what's a little "strawman" lapse between friends? 

[Pioneer1]

14 hours ago, ProfD said:

That's funny. As a platinum member of the hetero community, while my appreciation of women is unmatched and my affinity for snatch box is undisputed, I have never detailed my escapades and adventures in tickling tulips on this forum or anywhere else.

Actually, this is true....I haven't read you bragging or expressing personal details.

But see, this is a case of "guilt by association".

See....
When it comes to Cynique...you have to TOTALLY disagree with me....lol.

If you agree with me on ANY level....then she'll start projecting and associate MY attributes with YOU and start calling YOU "this" "that" and the other...lol.

Neither you NOR I have said anything homophobic....but look at how she called me a "homophobe" out of nowhere!
 

But I've noticed this habit among some women in general.
If they have a problem with a man on a particular point....instead of dealing with him on THAT point...they'll dump ALL of their frustrations and dislikes about society on him and project them.

Your boyfriend is homophobic and abusive, but you don't confront HIM on it.
But some poor innocent man who works in the grocery store who won't give you a discount on a can of tomato sauce is every bad name in the book and the personification of what's wrong with men in this society...lol.

 

 

"I'm sorry ma'am but that sale expired a week ago and the system won't let me discount it"

"Why are you so fucking lazy?
All you have to do is go to Aisle F and see it for yourself!
That's what's wrong with men our society today!
They're such lazy losers.
You're stuck at a dead-end job and probably didn't finish your education and you're angry about it.
If you weren't such a misogynist and homophobe you'd probably be in management and not just a cashier.
REAL men don't argue with women.
So emotional, you are.
You're probably a meth addict sleeping on your girlfriend's living room floor.....loser!"


 

[aka Contrarian]

@ProfD& @Pioneer1

Gimme a break! You two DO regularly engage in discussions that cast "women as sex objects", -  a reference to a woman's body odor being the gist of a recent post from  Pioneer. "Snatchbox" is a word ProfD coined for the vagina, a spot he and Pioneer love to penetrate so much that he gave it this pet name to spice up their bawdy conversations that hover on the threshold of "personal details".

Anytime a woman's picture comes up on a thread, Pioneer immediately starts drooling, as ProfD eggs him on, altho during the most recent exchange ProfD deflated Pioneer's fantasizing about an 80 year old "aunty" he wanted to get next to. These are just a few examples of the male chauvanistic behavior you 2 are guilty of. 

And my calling Pioneer a "homophobe" is an accurate assessment inasmuch as he expresses his aversion to the "alphabet community" all the time! His disgust  for homosexuals is obvious.

I've never called ProfD a homophobe because he doesn't come across as one.

 

And Pioneer's attempt at deconstructing my behavior is typical of his warped imagination. He's convinced that he influences my reactions and that I agree with others to spite him rather than because they make more sense than he  does. (The mindset of a person who thinks he's always right.) He, himself, " is, a "grandstander", always playing to the lurkers and the peanut gallery, hoping to make himself come across as a winner instead of a loser. 

When it comes to the dynamics of this board, Pioneer, as usual, thinks he's got it all figured out. Probably lies awake at night assigning roles to everyone as he creates this movie in his head. He is really a character.

 

My participation on this site is a passtime; a diversion. What I find fascinating is how, after a while, peoples' auras transcend their words and good and bad vibes come into play.

 

I should be old enough to know better than to get caught up in all this foolishness....but -

"no fools, no fun".   

[Pioneer1]

 

Cynique

I'm not a basher of homosexuality or the LGBTQA+ people nor am I a promoter of their lifestyle.
They are what they are.
My observations and opinions of them are from a secular non-religious point of view.



 

1 hour ago, aka Contrarian said:

And my calling Pioneer a "homophobe" is an accurate assessment inasmuch as he expresses his aversion to the "alphabet community" all the time! His disgust  for homosexuals is obvious

For example????

[aka Contrarian]

44 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

Cynique

I'm not a basher of homosexuality or the LGBTQA+ people nor am I a promoter of their lifestyle.
They are what they are.
My observations and opinions of them are from a secular, non-religious, but very politically point of view.

OK. 

 

[Pioneer1]

2 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

And my calling Pioneer a "homophobe" is an accurate assessment inasmuch as he expresses his aversion to the "alphabet community" all the time! His disgust  for homosexuals is obvious.

For example?????

[aka Contrarian]

2 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

For example?????

Implicit in your ongoing fear and distress about your perceived notion concerning the feminization of black men is the specter of homophobia. 

That along with your urgent need to emphasize the manliness and virility of black men seems symptomatic of a contempt for gay guys.

That's my opinion and you are free to dispute it.

[Pioneer1]

2 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

my calling Pioneer a "homophobe" is an accurate assessment inasmuch as he expresses his aversion to the "alphabet community" all the time!

Since you claim I do this "all the time"....
I'd like...WE'D ALL LIKE.....some clear examples of me expressing my "aversion" to the LGBTQIA+ community.

My comments to support this assertion SHOULDN'T be so hard for you to dig up, if what you say is true.

[ProfD]

7 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

@ProfD& @Pioneer1

Gimme a break! You two DO regularly engage in discussions that cast "women as sex objects" 

I'll have to read back through posts where I've objectified women. Not my thing.

 

7 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

 -  a reference to a woman's body odor being the gist of a recent post from  Pioneer.

IMO, referencing a woman's body odor doesn't objectify her. It's descriptive.

 

7 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

"Snatchbox" is a word ProfD coined for the vagina...

Guilty as charged. Figured it was less crass than a few other names I could have used.

 

 

7 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

...a spot he and Pioneer love to penetrate so much that he gave it this pet name to spice up their bawdy conversations that hover on the threshold of "personal details".

Again, I cannot recall us having a dialog about how much we love to poke snatchbox.

 

7 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

Anytime a woman's picture comes up on a thread, Pioneer immediately starts drooling, as ProfD eggs him on...

Cheerleader isn't my style.

 

7 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

These are just a few examples of the male chauvanistic behavior you 2 are guilty of. 

I do recall the offense you took to my suggestion that young men should use older woman as a playground and bring a tub of vaseline or K-Y.

 

Otherwise, while there may be some semblance of locker room banter between us it is usually low brow. We're not objectifying women or being chauvinistic. 

 

7 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

I've never called ProfD a homophobe because he doesn't come across as one.

Definitely not homophobic. Believe everyone has a right to live their best life as long as they're not bringing hurt, harm or danger tonothers.

 

Like snatchbox, I probably started use of the term alphabet soup community around here too. Not as a homophobic slur though.

 

@aka Contrarian, while I can appreciate your brand of feminism, just know that it's not going to derail my commentary or sense of humor as it relates to women.

[aka Contrarian]

@Pioneer1Who are the "WE" who would all like examples of your closet homophobia? Your,yourself, and thee? Or the phantom audience you are playing to?  I just gave you one explanation as to why I came to the conclusion you are  a homophobe. Take it or leave it. It is a lot if trouble to go searching all around trying to find random examples of your disapproval of Gays and your fear of them corrupting the guillible. Especially on an Android phone. I don't do your bidding. You go find some examples yourself that prove my impressions wrong, that you have no problem with with "sissified" men.

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

Again, I cannot recall us having a dialog about how much we love to poke snatchbox.
 

Me neither.
I thought it was pretty much a "given"....lol.

This is what I mean by her projecting shit.

Really, it sounds like she's trying to project that goofy ass locker-room talk that WHITE DUDES often engage in, on us.
Something a lot of Black feminists learn from White feminists.

I do recall the offense you to my suggestion that young men should use older woman as a playground and bring a tub of vaseline or K-Y

You said that????
 

MY MAN!

That's actually what I did when I was much younger!
I went after older women hoping that they could TEACH me...lol.

 

But let me stop before I give her more ammo to accuse me of being a chauvinist who goes around objectifying women...lol.

 

 

 

 

 

Cynique

Who are the "WE" who would all like examples of your closet homophobia? 
 

Ohhhh....
So now my homophobia is CLOSETED??????
 

First you said I expressed my aversion to it "all the time".
Now you're accusing me of hiding it and being low key with it.
 

I think you're confused.
You need to get your lies together before you tell them.


 

 It is a lot if trouble to go searching all around trying to find random examples of your disapproval of Gays and your fear of them corrupting the guillible. Especially on an Android phone.
 

Oh we don't wanna hear any excuses now!
 

You claimed I did it ALL THE TIME.
Now you're claiming it's too much work to flip through this site on your cheap ass phone trying to find examples of what you're accusing me of.

Girl (I don't care about her age....even if a woman is 150 she's still a girl to this  so-called "chauvanist"...lol) you need to get it together...lol.
Maybe you need to take a NAP between posts or something...lol.

 

 

A lot of Black feminists get their talking points FROM White feminists without realizing that THEIR talking points don't apply to us. They apply to White men.

And what's this "objectifying women" shit all about???
By nature, most heterosexual men are attracted to women and their bodies.
That's how we reproduce.
How can you let White women BRAIN WASH you into demonizing something that you're biologically programed to do.

To be honest, calling Black men "chauvinists" is a projection that even White feminists don't use against White men anymore.
They done brainwashed yall into hating your own men.

[aka Contrarian]

@Pioneer1Yada, yada,yada 🫸 talk to the hand.  Like I care what you think. 

 

@ProfDReady for some Football. Bears vs Vikings. Who ya got?

 

[Pioneer1]

4 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

@Pioneer1Yada, yada,yada 🫸 talk to the hand. 

 

Just because you have an intimate relationship with  your hand....doesn't make it a good conversationalist.

[aka Contrarian]

13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Just because you have an intimate relationship with  your hand....doesn't make it a good conversationalist.

Sez the biggest Jerk-off on the board.

[ProfD]

 

5 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

@ProfDReady for some Football. Bears vs Vikings. Who ya got?

Da Bears should be able to get past the Vikings with QB JJ McCarthy getting his 1st NFL start.

[Pioneer1]

18 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

Sez the biggest Jerk-off on the board.

I see you indeed HAVE divorced yourself from the Black community.

First you crookedly put on some blonde wig somebody gave you.
Now you're talking about some "jerk off" when Black people say "jack off"....lol.

Next you'll be using words like "jeez" and "sheesh" and telling stories about the "white elephant" gifts you've received.

[aka Contrarian]

@Pioneer1Golly Gee. I had "jack off" but  changed  it to "jerk" because that's what you are and that's what you do. 

As I told you, Dummy, that's not a blond wig, it's a gray one and I put it on to cover my frizzy corn rows.

Self-appointed phonies like you who are too dense to accept the reality of there just being one race are enough to drive people away. But I've reconciled with the human race.

Maybe  one day you can do the same  when you stop walking on all fours.

[Pioneer1]

36 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

@Pioneer1Golly Gee. I had "jack off" but  changed  it to "jerk" because that's what you are 

See!
That's what White folks call eachother -JERKS.

 

"Oh Larry....you're such a JERK"

 

Black folks don't use that term.
Not even on their worst enemies...lol.

It's just not something we say to eachother, it's almost strictly White.
And even THEY don't say it much anymore.

Last time I heard that term was on a Three's Company rerun....lol.

[aka Contrarian]

Whatever. A jerk by any other name is just as "assinine". And that means YOU.