Right-wing 2nd Amendment zealot and Trump confidant assassinated.

[aka Contrarian]

[ProfD]

Yep. Charlie Kirk said “I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.”

 

Kirk lived and died by his very own words. POTUS OJ has d8mn near hailed him a MAGA hero. Flags lowered to half staff.

 

White folks won't be any more outraged about this killing as they are when it comes to mass shootings and conflicts where they kill each other. 

 

Thankfully, the shooter wasn't a Black man. This country would be on the brink of a race war. 

 

Let's see how long this situation keeps the news cycle busy before they go back to ICE chasing immigrants and the national guard occupying urban cities.

[Troy]

I never heard of the young man, Charlie Kirk, who was gunned down recently. I don’t know if that’s a testament to my aversion to social media or the algorithm not feeding me his content.
 

This is just another reason why I’m not a fan of Americans being able to get any kind of weapon they want. The second amendment was written long before they had assault rifles. We also lived in a different type of society without  a paid police force to serve and protect.

 

14 hours ago, ProfD said:

Thankfully, the shooter wasn't a Black man.

That is an interesting notion. I have to wonder if it is a function of the true situation on the ground or just one born of the sensationalism that has been feed to people through the media…

 

I don’t doubt for one second that there are both black and white people who believe we just need one event to kick off a race war,  but  that is both amazingly alarming to me and terribly sad.

 

Of course, I’m sure there are some white folks that might wanna race war and are locked and , but this is a fringe group, not reflective of the majority of Americans.

 

 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Troy said:

I never heard of the young man, Charlie Kirk, who was gunned down recently. I don’t know if that’s a testament to my aversion to social media or the algorithm not feeding me his content.

Yeah bro, you're way outside the algorithm if you had never heard of him.  He was the young messiah of the MAGA movement.  Had about 20 million followers.  Mostly young people.  Many consider his role pivotal in getting POTUS OJ re-elected especially among young voters.

 

2 hours ago, Troy said:

This is just another reason why I’m not a fan of Americans being able to get any kind of weapon they want.

Indications are that Kirk's murder was a professional hit.  Sniper on a roof 200 yards away.  Single shot on target.

2 hours ago, Troy said:

The second amendment was written long before they had assault rifles. We also lived in a different type of society without  a paid police force to serve and protect.

Gun technology has gotten better but the intent of the 2nd amendment remains unchanged especially in the minds of white folks.  Their right to bear arms is tied directly how threatened they feel by elements of society and/or people they don't like.

 

 

2 hours ago, Troy said:

I don’t doubt for one second that there are both black and white people who believe we just need one event to kick off a race war,  but  that is both amazingly alarming to me and terribly sad.

 

Of course, I’m sure there are some white folks that might wanna race war and are locked and , but this is a fringe group, not reflective of the majority of Americans.

The unalived young man had no shortage of vitriol for Black folks. While a following of 20 million folks is not the majority of Americans, it is enough to start a revolution or a war or whatever. 

 

Some folks believe Kirk could have been a future POTUS candidate.  Let that marinate.

[Troy]

Interestingly, I watched two episodes of South Park recently. one of them was a satire of Kirk. I had no idea who they modeled the character after, but I thought the episode was brilliant. 
 

I listen to Left’s democracy now and right wing WABC in New York radio and I can see why people are afraid.

 

If you listen to democracy, now, you would think this guy had the following and charisma of rising Adolf Hitler. And you would think the assassin took one for the team. 
 

Of course, the right wing position is that “the Glovers are off“ and “nothing is off the table“

 

If you listen the right wing radio the liberals have gone too far this time. Trump gave him I believe the highest civilian honor he could be, and Kirk is made to be a martyr.

 

Of course the left wing will continue this type of assault unless they are stopped.

 

Listening to this either side is freaking scary. My buddy in TSA told me to be careful out there.

 

My info information did not come from social media, which I have to believe is far more divisive.

 

All I know of  all the souls I’ve encountered. I doubt any of them were “get a rope “ white racists.  The radical Black people I encounter just wanna be left alone maybe form their own state.
 

On some level after listening to these programs, I feel like maybe my head has been buried in the sand.
 

My spirit just won’t allow me to believe that even a substantial minority of people are as racist and evil as these programs suggest the other side is.

 

 

[ProfD]

35 minutes ago, Troy said:

Interestingly, I watched two episodes of South Park recently. one of them was a satire of Kirk. I had no idea who they modeled the character after, but I thought the episode was brilliant. 

The folks behind South Park are brilliant in their satire. 

35 minutes ago, Troy said:

I listen to Left’s democracy now and right wing WABC in New York radio and I can see why people are afraid.

The Left and Right have their extremes. The mas shooters and assassins come from both sides of the aisle.

 

35 minutes ago, Troy said:

Trump gave him I believe the highest civilian honor he could be, and Kirk is made to be a martyr.

Yep. POTUS OJ praised Kirk and announced he was giving him a posthumous Medal of Freedom prior to delivering his 9/11 commemoration remarks. 

 

35 minutes ago, Troy said:

Listening to this either side is freaking scary. My buddy in TSA told me to be careful out there.

As a citizens, I believe we should always keep our heads on a swivel.

 

Otherwise, I don't believe we have too much more to worry about than usual.

 

35 minutes ago, Troy said:

All I know of  all the souls I’ve encountered. I doubt any of them were “get a rope “ white racists.  The radical Black people I encounter just wanna be left alone maybe form their own state.

Minorities on both sides.

 

However,  white racists can be mobilized and pressed into duty at any time. They have plenty guns too.

 

OTOH, Black folks aren't organized to any degree well enough to protect and defend themselves.

 

35 minutes ago, Troy said:

On some level after listening to these programs, I feel like maybe my head has been buried in the sand.

There's probably some benefit to being unplugged. Just stay informed well enough to avoid becoming a victim.

 

35 minutes ago, Troy said:

My spirit just won’t allow me to believe that even a substantial minority of people are as racist and evil as these programs suggest the other side is.

That's fair. Again, keep your head on a swivel and be prepared to protect and defend yourself if anything ever jumps off.

[aka Contrarian]

3 hours ago, Troy said:

Of course the left wing will continue this type of assault unless they are stopped.

Don't assume Kirk's assassin is from the left wing.Trump likes to blame the "radical left" for everything but the guy who took aim at him was a right-winger, as is Luigi Magione, the guy who killed the Insurance Company Company CEO

Many assassins turn out to be loners with grudges and no particular political affiliation, and from the looks of this guy on the surveillance camera photos being shown on the news, he's very unintimidating. Not the way you'd picture a hit man. 

 

There is really a debate raging on social media and from what The Left is saying, Charlie Kirk was a white supremist and a poster boy for everything Project 2025 stands for. A run for political office seemed certain in his future and Liberals imply the country is - better off without him. 

Incidentally, Kirk was born and raised in Arlington Heights, Illinois, a mostly white suburb of Chicago - and, coincidently,  the place where DA BEARS are rumored to be  moving, lured there by the promise of a brand new stadium. If they name it after Kirk, I will disown the team.

Finally, a black football player on the Minnesota Vikings team has offered to set up a trust to care for the wife and pay for the college education of millionaire Kirk's 2 small kids, doing this in keeping with the sympathetic element of the black population who think Kirk didn't deserve to be killed just because of his opinions...

I, personally, can think of more appropriate things for this black athlete to spend his money on.

[ProfD]

6 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

Finally, a black football player on the Minnesota Vikings team has offered to set up a trust to care for the wife and pay for the college education of millionaire Kirk's 2 small kids, doing this in keeping with the sympathetic element of the black population who think Kirk didn't deserve to be killed just because of his opinions...

There never seems to be a shortage of n8gglets willing to cape for the very same people who h8te their existence. Ridiculous. 

 

In this instance, I hope white folks in the strongest terms tell that Black football player they have it covered and that his money is no good.

[aka Contrarian]

You can't make this stuff up! Charlie Kirk's shooter is in custody. And atho the FBI and its creepy director, Kash Patel,  who looks like an "Addams Family" character, are taking credit for his capture, the guy's family actually turned him in.

Much to the chagrin of the Trump crowd the killer,Tyler Robinson, turns out to be a 22- year-old from a local Utah Mormon family of staunch Republicans. His motivation for the killing reportedly has to do with his fear that Kirk had become too much of a hate-filled racist which was detrimental to Robinson's ideology - whatever that is. As yet, nobody seems able to pinpoint what his politics are but ii has been discerned that he was connected with online activists, which some described as being fascistic. ?? Go figure.  A lot of questions remain unanswered, obviously.

 

I have no rational response to a any of this. I can't explain my gut-wrenching  revulsion for Trump and his Project 2025 MAGAs because not everything they promote is bad. But I still have this intense dislike for right-wing Conservatives, especially black ones, and most particularly the hypocritical Evangelicals who represent the militant Right "Christians", a group who have captivated one of my sons, causing a serious rift between us.

From reading some of Kirk's direct quotes, I cannot honestly say I condemn his killer. Kirk's  "chickens came home to roost". Poetic Justice.

[Mel Hopkins]

23 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

But I still have this intense dislike for right-wing Conservatives, especially black ones, and most particularly the hypocritical Evangelicals who represent the militant Right "Christians", a group who have captivated one of my sons, causing a serious rift between us.

I'm so sorry this is happening in your family. I can't imagine what MAGA has to offer anyone, and especially your son. We come from a much stronger foundation than anything MAGA & Christian Nationalists ( Evangelicals) have to offer. They are literally capitalist on steroids - that have nothing to offer anyone, including themselves, but an unhealthy dose of self-destructive hate. I hope the rift between you and your son heals quickly. 

On 9/12/2025 at 7:36 AM, ProfD said:

There never seems to be a shortage of n8gglets willing to cape for the very same people who h8te their existence. Ridiculous. 

 

[aka Contrarian]

@Mel HopkinsThanks for  sympathizing with me. So typical of your thoughtfulness.

I might add that this son and I have a long history of butting heads. I take it in my stride because I have so many kids, and grandkids and great grandkids that he gets lost in the shuffle.

[ProfD]

The widow of the unalived white nationalist had a primetime press conference.

 

Amusing how these racist white folks claim to be so Christian. Religion perverted.

[aka Contrarian]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

The widow of the unalived white nationalist had a primetime press conference.

 

Amusing how these racist white folks claim to be so Christian. Religion perverted.

LOL She's pissed. She claims the  "they" who did this have no idea what awaits them. The Wrath of Erica!

The conspiracy theorists are all on the case, of course.

Tyler Robertson, the shooter, has a court date coming up. Hope he makes it out alive.

 

This is a white family feud. A tragi-comedy.

[ProfD]

14 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

LOL She's pissed. She claims the  "they" who did this have no idea what awaits them. The Wrath of Erica!

The conspiracy theorists are all on the case, of course.

Tyler Robertson, the shooter, has a court date coming up. Hope he makes it out alive.

 

This is a white family feud. A tragi-comedy.

Right. It's definitely going to be interesting to see the *they* being targeted in the wrath of the widow of Turning Point USA.

 

The shooter has a good chance of remaining alive throughout his court appearances and trial.

 

While they have mentioned death penalty being on the table, when the temperature goes down, I wouldn't be surprised if it fell off by the time the 22-year old white shooter is convicted and sentenced. 

 

Still hilarious to hear them referring to the unalived white nationalist as having been assassinated and a martyr.

 

I find it insulting to Black folks that some media folks have nerve to compare the recent murder of an unelected, non-religious white nationalist to 1968 when Dr. MLK was assassinated. Not even close.

[aka Contrarian]

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

I find it insulting to Black folks that some media folks have nerve to compare the recent murder of an unelected, non-religious white nationalist to 1968 when Dr. MLK was assassinated. Not even close.

Charlie bad mouth MLK and had  some choice things to say about black women lol

[Troy]

On 9/11/2025 at 9:51 PM, aka Contrarian said:

Don't assume Kirk's assassin is from the left wing.Trump likes to blame the "radical left" for everything

No, I’ve made no assumptions about the motivation of the shooter. I was just the opinions I’ve heard expressed from the various sides.

The shooter was 22 years old… wow!  People were speculating this was a trained assassin. I guess he was the classic lone wolf…. Nonetheless, I’m sure conspiracy theories will proliferate.

@aka Contrarian regarding that meme you shared. For example, what job did Michelle get and what did she do to warrant that reaction from Kirk? The statement is nonsensical.

I doubt even someone like Kirk would have made it. Can anyone find a source to support the quote used in that meme?

 

The reason I ask is because people generate stuff and put it on social media to generate outrage.

 

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

I find it insulting to Black folks that some media folks have nerve to compare the recent murder of an unelected, non-religious white nationalist to 1968 when Dr. MLK was assassinated.

 

While Kirk was definitely no King. His murder was certainly qualify as an assassination. 

[ProfD]

33 minutes ago, Troy said:

The shooter was 22 years old… wow!  People were speculating this was a trained assassin. I guess he was the classic lone wolf…. Nonetheless, I’m sure conspiracy theories will proliferate.

That single shot from 200 yards away made it seem like the guy was trained.

 

33 minutes ago, Troy said:

I doubt even someone like Kirk would have made it. Can anyone find a source to support the quote used in that meme?

There's no shortage of legit video footage of the unalived white nationalist spewing all types of anti-Black sentiment including the meme quote.

 

Of course, you wouldn't know especially if you're unaware of these people. Millions of folks definitely heard him.

 

 

33 minutes ago, Troy said:

While Kirk was definitely no King. His murder was certainly qualify as an assassination. 

The murdered and injured political figures in Minnesota weren't classified as assassinations or attempted.

 

Conservatives are elevating this unalived white nationalist to being assassinated and a martyr. He's really not.

[Troy]

11 hours ago, ProfD said:

The murdered and injured political figures in Minnesota weren't classified as assassinations or attempted.

If those politicians were public figures, murdered for their political views they’ve taken, then they were assassinated—by definition. It is not up for debate. Now they were killed by someone who didn’t know who they were like during a robbery that would just be a murder.

 

Similarly that Kirk fellow as a public figure who is murdered for his political views, influence position, etc., his murder qualifies as an assassination again by definition.

In terms of being a martyr, I’m not so sure about that one. I certainly wouldn’t consider him one. I tend to think of matyrs as someone who knowingly sacrifices their life for a greater cause. Dr. King was clearly a martyr.

 

as far as the meme, I’m just looking for a source to support it. It’s very easy to say that there’s plenty of video out there, I guess it would be have been shared here if it were so easy to find.
 

Again, I think that meme is just another attempt by people to rile folks up. I base that not on any knowledge of anything Kirk has said, but just because the statements were so absurdly racist and sexist that would be hard to believe anyone that talks like that would have any type of platform of following. From what I’ve read, he had black followers as well.

[Chevdove]

On 9/11/2025 at 10:53 AM, Troy said:

I never heard of the young man, Charlie Kirk, who was gunned down recently. I don’t know if that’s a testament to my aversion to social media or the algorithm not feeding me his content.
 

 

I too have never heard of Charlie Kirk until now. 

 

 

The governor of Utah said that he was praying that the shooter would not be 'one of us'. LOL.

He said he had hoped that it would have been someone from out of state or from another country but he was sad to learn that his prayers were not answered. 

 

 

[aka Contrarian]

@Troy What you fail to consider is that the absurdity of the meme's quote about black women is typical of Kirk's narrative and is why he is such an anathma to the Left, and the darling of The Right! 

 Yes, like Trump, he had black followers, because many black Conservatuves agree with the disparagement  of  Affirmative Action.

Inspite of your aversion to social media, their fact checkers have found the memes circulating all over the internet containing Kirk's quotes to be accurate and his followers have not denied his words, mostly because they agree with them.

The reason so many on the Left are cynical about Charlie Kirk's death is the undisputed statement this staunch defender of the 2nd amendment made when questioned about the killings of school children.

To many, he became a victim of his own words.

 

[ProfD]

7 hours ago, Troy said:

If those politicians were public figures, murdered for their political views they’ve taken, then they were assassinated—by definition. It is not up for debate. 

 

Similarly that Kirk fellow as a public figure who is murdered for his political views, influence position, etc., his murder qualifies as an assassination again by definition.

The response to the assassination of the elected official in MN was very different from the unalived white nationalist.

 

7 hours ago, Troy said:

In terms of being a martyr, I’m not so sure about that one. I certainly wouldn’t consider him one. I tend to think of matyrs as someone who knowingly sacrifices their life for a greater cause. Dr. King was clearly a martyr.

You're outnumbered by the millions of white nationalists consider him a martyr.

 

7 hours ago, Troy said:

as far as the meme, I’m just looking for a source to support it. It’s very easy to say that there’s plenty of video out there, I guess it would be have been shared here if it were so easy to find.

The unalived white nationalist was a podcaster. Figured you would pull YouTube  videos if truly interested in hearing him in his own words.

[Troy]

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

The unalived white nationalist was a podcaster. Figured you would pull YouTube  videos if truly interested in hearing him in his own words.

 

Nah, I have beet things to do than run down some crazy quote.  I would be happy the fact checked information for the meme that @aka Contrarian mention.  Until then I reserve my blind belief in the quote.

 

The second meme I actually did see a video of Kirk uttering those words. I'm not an advocate for unfettered access to guns by the general public so I disagree with the statement.  It obviously proved fatal to Kirk.

 

7 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

@Troy What you fail to consider is that the absurdity of the meme's quote about black women is typical of Kirk's narrative and is why he is such an anathma to the Left, and the darling of The Right! 

 

Yes, I can certainly see that, but I'm not going to judge a person based upon memes -- particularly one so egregious. 

 

Memes are the way people acquire information about the world -- It is not through books or newspapers.  Long form, detailed, nuanced content is not consumed by the masses as a result we fail to think above a very superficial level.  Today we think on the level of the meme.  One of many reasons many reasons I avoid social media.

 

@aka Contrarian you know I've been critical of social media for many years now -- more than a decade and the impact is getting worse. 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Troy said:

The second meme I actually did see a video of Kirk uttering those words. I'm not an advocate for unfettered access to guns by the general public so I disagree with the statement.  It obviously proved fatal to Kirk.

 

Yes, I can certainly see that, but I'm not going to judge a person based upon memes -- particularly one so egregious. 

 

Memes are the way people acquire information about the world -- It is not through books or newspapers.  Long form, detailed, nuanced content is not consumed by the masses as a result we fail to think above a very superficial level.  Today we think on the level of the meme.  One of many reasons many reasons I avoid social media.

From reading your posts, I understand your position regarding social media. 

 

I'm not on it either, therefore, social media is definitely not the 1st or 2nd place I consume news and/or check the validity of information. 

 

OTOH, we cannot be so far out of the loop or off the grid to disbelieve there are still wing-nuts and crazy azz people running around.  There's no shortage of them. 

 

This particular dude just happened to be unalived for his rhetoric and beliefs. The upside of social media and the internet is that his words have been recorded in 8K.

[aka Contrarian]

It's possoble to follow social media and keep it in perspective. I always "consider the souurce" when perusing its posts, the "delete" button always an option.

And as I said, it does have fact checkers and it does apply censorship. So what aoears on it is not all just made up hype.

 

Electing to shut oneself off from the vast world of pop culture is a personal choice. And those wanting to be well rounded individuals who know a little bit about a lot of things, stay in the loop. 'Makes one a better conversationalist. That's a 1950s .mindset.

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

Electing to shut oneself off from the vast world of pop culture is a personal choice. And those wanting to be well rounded individuals who know a little bit about a lot of things, stay in the loop. 'Makes one a better conversationalist. That's a 1950s .mindset.

Smartphones and social media seem to be  antithetical to acquiring knowledge and being able to hold a conversation.

 

It cracks me up to see people *together* and they're both glued to their *smartphones*.

 

To this old man it looks like a dumb date.

[Troy]

7 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

Electing to shut oneself off from the vast world of pop culture is a personal choice. And those wanting to be well rounded individuals who know a little bit about a lot of things, stay in the loop. 'Makes one a better conversationalist. That's a 1950s .mindset.

 Well, in the 50s they didn’t have social media. I’ve been called a lot of things, but a bad conversationalist was never one of them.
 

whenever I turn on the radio, all I hear is about the assassination. One thing that irks me is how often someone quotes something they read or saw  on social media and uses it as evidence of public sentiment.

 

The fact of the matter is much of the most virulent crap that is spewed on social media are by anonymous accounts we don’t know who these people are, what their motivations are, or even if they’re actually real people, these comments should never be quoted and re-broadcast as if they’re coming from real people.

 

7 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

And as I said, it does have fact checkers and it does apply censorship

Which platform are you talking about?

 

10 hours ago, ProfD said:

OTOH, we cannot be so far out of the loop or off the grid to disbelieve there are still wing-nuts and crazy azz people running around.  There's no shortage of them.

Sure, they’re clearly some nuts out there. I just don’t think there are as many as the people who get their news and information on social media convey during their interviews. 

[aka Contrarian]

Social media isn't all about politics! I repeat: It's about POP CULTURE  and that covers a broad scope.

It's also a way to touch basis with faraway family and long lost friends and be up on community events. 

Above all, you have the option to  pick and choose what you want to check out and to what degree you choose to involve yourself. 

If it's not your thing, - fine. Different strokes for different folks.

When it comes to scorning social  media, are you bragging, - or complaining? 

 

My reference to the 1950s mindset was a joke and had to do with how, during this sedate era, it was typical to place  a lot of emphasis on things like civilty and being conversant on a lot of different subjects. Obviously this is a thing of the past.

[ProfD]

The 22-year old shooter was in court today. His motive for unaliving the white nationalist was his hateful rhetoric.

 

The shooter was a great student. Avid video gamer. Grew up with loving parents who are diehard MAGA followers. 

 

This wasn't a radicalized liberal committing a murder. It was carried out by an intelligent young adult who got tired of hearing the unalived white nationalist talk sh8t about other folks. 

 

White-on-white crime. Just like mass shootings. I doubt the national guard will be deployed there.

[aka Contrarian]

The Charlie Ritz shooting is a bizarre but pivotal  case that has further polarized the nation which is at the tipping point for civil unrest.

Tyler Robertson is the shooter, and his roommate is supposedly a "trannie" who he's romantically involved with.

He also gives some indication of belonging to one of the right wing  militant online INCEL groups made up of "white-guys-who-can't-get-laid" dorks who have "axes to grind". 

What I found stunning about Tyler was how he seemed totally oblivious to the seriousness of his crime, didn't cover his tracks well and nonchalantly confessed what he'd done to some of his friends. Typical of his generation, he thinks he's  invincible. He was also indignant at his father for urging him to turn himself in, and remains adamant and defiant  about why he "took Charlie out": because he was tired of his hate speech!

Allegedly, his father received  a million dollar donation for Tyler's defense fund which he announcing his intent to, instead, give to Kirk's wife and kids!

I don't know why everyone thinks millionaire Charlie's family needs financial support!

btw. The black Viking football player denied the rumors about him offering to set up a fund for Kirk's wife and kids.

 

Meanwhile, Utah law enforcemement officials have annoumced they will be seeking the death penalty for the 22 year old sharp shooter whose parents are staunch MAGAs. 

A  Battle between the Martyrs may be on the horizon.