Delusional

[Pioneer1]

You have to be delusional TO A CERTAIN DEGREE in order to really achieve Success in this world.

You can't be too stuck in the current "here and now" or focus only on what you THINK is likely or probable.

You have to be a dreamer and dream big and actually believe those dreams can and will be accomplished.

This is important for intelligent and righteous Black people to understand and accept.

[ProfD]

Beyond dreaming about what it takes to be successful, one must have plans and goals and take action every moment of being awake in order to accomplish it.

 

As the religious folks say "faith without works is dead", the same thing applies to success. 

 

Some folks find success through luck.  Others gain success through inheritance.  Somebody else put in the work. 

 

Most success is gained through hard work, determination, larceny and sometimes violence.

 

There is a lot of truth to the fact that one can accomplish anything if they put their 1) mind to it and 2) work to make happen. 

 

Those who are unsuccessful did now want it badly and/or work hard enough.

[Mel Hopkins]

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You have to be delusional TO A CERTAIN DEGREE in order to really achieve Success in this world.

I share this sentiment, but could you please define 'delusional' and 'success'?

I'm currently reading Don Quixote - and dude was financially successful, but it was not enough for him. He felt like a failure and then lost his mind, becoming Don Quixote. 

 

At the end of his journey as Don Quixote, he found success, but it had nothing to do with "things." He found success through his inner transformation.  

[aka Contrarian]

In the worlds of Professional Sports and Entertainment, not everybody who strives to is going to become a star. The many who aspire to such success are, indeed,  delusional when it comes to how innately talented they are. 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

I don't disagree with what you said, but for the sake of discussion let me throw this at you.......
 

Hard work will only get you so far.

Genetics also plays a huge role in success.
 

I don't care how hard a mentally retarded person works, their financial and social success will be limited because of their limited ability to think.
 

Some people are athletically gifted with strong muscles, coordination, and nerve impulses...genetics.
Practice at sports isn't "hard work" to them but fun because their efforts come with ease.
Others will be obese all of their lives regardless of their diet....because of genetics.
Their athletic abilities are limited and too much "hard work" will actually injure them causing more harm than good.

Infact, if you don't have the right genes....you won't have the ENERGY to put in the work to begin with.
Nor will you have the drive or ambition.

 

You can go to Honduras or Cambodia and see people working hard as hell from sun up to sun down, but are still in poverty.

So their hard work is of naught.

 

 

 

 

 

Mel

I share this sentiment, but could you please define 'delusional' and 'success'?
 

Ok, but I'd rather give you MY definitions of these terms rather than Websters' or Oxfords'...lol.

Delusional: Believing in a scenario (past, present, or future) not shared by others

Success:  Accomplishment of goals
 

Notice I didn't mention money or relationships in the definition of success; because success tends to be personal, and not everyone sees those things as necessary for THEIR success.

As far as I'm concerned ANY goal you set and end up meeting is a "success" because it's what you wanted and you achieved it.

Even if it's going to the grocery store, coming back home, laying on the couch, and smoking weed the rest of the day.
If THAT'S what you woke up intending to accomplish today....and did it...you were successful, lol.



I'm currently reading Don Quixote - and dude was financially successful, but it was not enough for him. 
 

See, that's why I defined success the way I did.
For a lot of people...money is NOT success.
It comes to them so easy it's not even satisfying for them, they want more.
They want a challenge to overcome.

 

Maybe the accumulation of lots of money is a TEMPORARY success for some but after this is achieved, they want more.
But for others....money is the ULTIMATE success for them.
Especially if they grew up not having any.

Like Jay-Z said:  If you grew up with holes in your zapatos you'd celebrate every minute that you had some dough

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Hard work will only get you so far.

Genetics also plays a huge role in success.

Right. Several factors including conditions and environment play a role in success. 

 

Compromised people will have a harder time becoming successful due to physical and/or mental challenges.

 

Lazy people have no excuse. Well, they do but it's not really a good one.

[Pioneer1]

2 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

Lazy people have no excuse. Well, they do but it's not really a good one.

The laziest people in the world can be enticed to work with the proper motivation and incentive.

I don't know how many times I've seen lazy young men who were too lazy to even pick up their feet and walk....they just shuffled around....all of a sudden straighten up and show ambition and diligence when an attractive woman asks them for something, lol.

He was motivated because he had an incentive.

[ProfD]

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The laziest people in the world can be enticed to work with the proper motivation and incentive.

True. 

 

Yet, there is a difference between people who are naturally motivated to put in work and those who have to be incentivized and/or intimidated into working.

 

People are lazy for any number of reasons.  They are not the pool of candidates an employer looks for when a job needs to be done.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD
 

People are lazy for any number of reasons. 

 

Go to any Nation of Islam temple and you'll find plenty of Black men who USED to be lazy and indifferent to work and success in general.
However when you step into the temple you see clean cut, well dressed, industrious men who walk briskly and are all about business.

Why?

They have a purpose.

I can't speak for others, but I'm convinced that the major reason for laziness among Black Americans is the belief (righteously held) that their hard work if often in vain.
No matter how hard you work for your enemy they're not going to like you and you won't see the success you deserve, so most figure "why even try????"
 

 

If you notice, I constantly make reference to the Nation of Islam.
I don't find too many other Black organizations who can match their record of progress and reformation among Black Americans.

 

[ProfD]

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Go to any Nation of Islam temple and you'll find plenty of Black men who USED to be lazy and indifferent to work and success in general.

However when you step into the temple you see clean cut, well dressed, industrious men who walk briskly and are all about business.

Sure. They were not building personal wealth though. Only enriching the Nation of Islam.

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I can't speak for others, but I'm convinced that the major reason for laziness among Black Americans is the belief (righteously held) that their hard work if often in vain.

 

No matter how hard you work for your enemy they're not going to like you and you won't see the success you deserve, so most figure "why even try????"

Right. People should work for themselves and/or their  own tribe instead of the enemy.

 

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If you notice, I constantly make reference to the Nation of Islam.
I don't find too many other Black organizations who can match their record of progress and reformation among Black Americans.

Like most religious organizations, the Nation of Islam did not generate wealth for its adherents.  Only the highest folks in it see real money.

 

Surely, you remember brotha Malcolm's wife Betty had to lean on him because there was no bread in the oven.

[umbrarchist]

What if the society is delusional?

 

EIGHTY years since World War Two!

Fifty-Six yrs since Apollo 11!

And we have come to THIS!

 

Turning the planet's natural resources into garbage for money while Economists ignore the Depreciation!

 

What is the NET Domestic Product?

 

Where is the depreciation data since Sputnik?  

 

Have they figured out planned obsolescence in automobiles yet?

 

Look at WWII fighter planes!
30 years before Apollo 11.

1939 Tech: P-38

 

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[ProfD]

27 minutes ago, umbrarchist said:

Have they figured out planned obsolescence in automobiles yet?

 

Look at WWII fighter planes!
30 years before Apollo 11.

1939 Tech: P-38

Military weapons, planes and ships and space programs waste s lot of resources and money too.

[umbrarchist]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Military weapons, planes and ships and space programs waste s lot of resources and money too.

I am not presenting that example to point out waste, it is about technological capability. If engineers without electronic computers could do that back then why are we supposed to get excited about cars that look different year after year half-a-century after the Moon Landing?

 

Then Economists can pretend that Depreciation doesn't happen. When has Oprah Winfrey suggested mandatory accounting for Black kids?

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[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Sure. They were not building personal wealth though. Only enriching the Nation of Islam.

 

Many if not most "Nation of Islam businesses" actually ARE personal businesses.
Because the owners are members of the Nation of Islam and usually patronized and frequented by NOI members, it's often considered an "NOI Business".

 

Like most religious organizations, the Nation of Islam did not generate wealth for its adherents.  Only the highest folks in it see real money.

 

I wasn't around to see the Nation of Islam under Elijah Muhammad but I heard it actually did generate a lot of wealth for it's members as individuals, especially by taking them off the streets, off drugs and alcohol, and teaching them how to generate money for themselves.

 

It's like that old saying about GIVING a man a fish vs TEACHING him how to fish.
Rather than passing out money to it's members like candy, sometimes just getting them out of prison and off drugs is the most valuable things that could have happened to them.
The wealth will blossom from that.

 

 

 

 

umbrarchist

 

LOL...
Who actually NEEDED a video to convince them that cars today were built with parts designed to wear out and fail?

I won't call it common sense, but it's certainly basic wisdom for most people over 40 who's had normal life experience.

[ProfD]

53 minutes ago, umbrarchist said:

I am not presenting that example to point out waste, it is about technological capability.

 

If engineers without electronic computers could do that back then why are we supposed to get excited about cars that look different year after year half-a-century after the Moon Landing?

The purpose and function of cars hasn't changed since they were invented but the technology underneath the hood and in the cabin is different.

 

Ask an old school car mechanic to service some of these vehicles manufactured over  the past couple decades.  Wait for his response. Don't interrupt or make any suggestions. 

 

53 minutes ago, umbrarchist said:

When has Oprah Winfrey suggested mandatory accounting for Black kids?

Oprah Winfrey is not relevant to a couple generations of Black folks.

[umbrarchist]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

The purpose and function of cars hasn't changed since they were invented but the technology underneath the hood and in the cabin is different.

 

Ask an old school car mechanic to service some of these vehicles manufactured over  the past couple decades.  Wait for his response. Don't interrupt or make any suggestions. 

 

Oprah Winfrey is not relevant to a couple generations of Black folks.

They replaced a distributer with an electronic ignition system. That is an improvement. The thermostat housing in my 2010 Jeep Grand Cherokee was plastic instead of metal it developed a hole the size of a quarter. Not an improvement.

 

There is a YouTube video about a Ford truck that became completely inoperable because of water in the tail light and cost $5000 to fix. It is possible to do more stupid engineering with more complicated technology.

 

Double entry accounting is 700 years old. It will outlive Oprah Winfrey and anyone else.

 

The point is blowing social delusions out of the water not keeping them going. Technology does not give a shit about anybody's delusions.

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Edited Sunday at 10:11 PM by umbrarchist
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[ProfD]

3 hours ago, umbrarchist said:

Double entry accounting is 700 years old. It will outlive Oprah Winfrey and anyone else.

Excel and Quicken and other accounting software has changed that game.

 

3 hours ago, umbrarchist said:

The point is blowing social delusions out of the water not keeping them going. Technology does not give a shit about anybody's delusions.

Society is not deluded when it comes to technology and planned obsolescence. It's accepted.

[umbrarchist]

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

Excel and Quicken and other accounting software has changed that game.

 

Society is not deluded when it comes to technology and planned obsolescence. It's accepted.

 

Accepting a delusion is so same!

 

https://good-leadership.beehiiv.com/p/surely-you-re-joking-alfred-nobel-the-curious-mystery-of-the-bogus-nobel-prize-in-economics-75d6

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