NBA Gambling and Sports Betting Indictments

[ProfD]

https://www.cnn.com/sport/live-news/nba-fbi-sports-betting-probe-10-23-25

 

The FBI seems to be on a mission to crackdown on sports betting.

 

No surprise the 1st people they arrested were a Black coach and player. These dudes were not ringleaders by any stretch of the imagination.

 

The mafia and other rich people are the driving forces behind sports betting. Remains to be seen how many of them will be indicted.

 

The issue I have is why milionaire Black athletes and coaches jeopardize their bag for chump change. 

 

It is possible that gangsters could lean on them to cooperate. However, there are recourses if they need protection too.

 

I'm curious to see if only Black foks are beng snagged up in this foolishness or if it's going down like Nino Brown's empire.

[ProfD]

34 people have been indicted so far. Yet, the media continues showing the Black folks. They did not mastermind this thing. It's much bigger than them.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

On 10/23/2025 at 8:32 PM, ProfD said:

The issue I have is why milionaire Black athletes and coaches jeopardize their bag for chump change. 

Cause many millionaire athletes, and I am talking across phenotypical lines,across various sports, live above their means.

Millions of dollars isn't a lot when you are the breadwinner to not only your home but your clan. And then compound that with being energetic and wanting to party. And then compound that with being very new to money. 

I repeat

Slavery era in the USA was 1492 to 1865 where 95% of black people had no financial relationship cause they were enslaved.

Jim Crow era in the USA was 1865 to 1980 where 80% of black people were in legal financial traps by whites in the usa. 

So, Black people in the USA have only had 45 years and counting, the integration era, to get accustomed to fiscal capitalistic life... not just earning fortunes but losing it. Living above ones means, and being miserly. 

Now I will defend the black 1%. One of the problems is the black 1% has been business owning/financially engaged since 1492 so from their view within the view, the black 99% should merely be like them. I think about white the NAACP lawyer. The black abolitionists from freeman families before the war between the states who supported frederick douglass. Remember many black people in sierra leone or liberia are descended from Black 1% DOSers who clearly proved my point about how black 1% view the black 99% in their actions on returning home. 

[ProfD]

@richardmurray...one of the individuals implicated in this situation is worth $100 million dollars.

 

IMO, there's no legitimate excuse for a Black person to blow $100 million dollars. Especially not when they are under 40 years old.

 

Despite the disadvantages of slavery, there's no shortage of multimillion Black athletes and entertainers who have held on to and compounded their fortunes. 

 

A Black person new to wealth only has to talk to a Grant Hill or Robert Smith or Jay-Z and Beyonce. H8ll, they can talk to crazy azz Kanye West. 

 

Again, a Black person blowing or risking $100 million dollars is not as @Pioneer1 would type of low intelligence ...that n8gglet is just dumb. Full stop.

[Troy]

I don’t have enough information on Billips and the player to judge their intellect or motivation for getting involved with the mob and jeopardizing their livelihoods, indeed their lives

 

I consider myself a gambler, but I don’t bet over my head and nowadays my gambling is confined to playing poker with my buddies.

 

Anything outside of that is at risk of being fixed or rigged which is one reason I don’t understand why people play slot machines… I mean, I do know why they play… at any rate…

 

I don’t think these are the only players that are doing Shiesty stuff in professional sports. It’s just known you’re not gonna catch everybody.
 

It’s like insider trading it clearly done people benefit, from it, and you’re not gonna catch everybody — especially if you’re not looking.

 

Of course, black players are gonna be caught at higher rate. Than white players they are the majority of players so… that’s everyone’s point you know they gotta look extra hard at the Brothers

 

I think the NBA players should be banned for life, being sent to prison is a bit much. 

 

I don’t know how they’re gonna prosecute the mob for rigging  poker games. That’s like coming in my house and the arresting me for cheating at my poker game…

 

And somebody who doesn’t pay what they owe on gambling debt needs to catch a beat down. The adage:

“That god-damn credit? Dead it.” applies.

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, Troy said:

I don’t know how they’re gonna prosecute the mob for rigging  poker games. That’s like coming in my house and the arresting me for cheating at my poker game…

An after hours spot would get away it. A casino business is supposed to follow the gambling laws for that jurisdiction. I don't imagine the laws condone cheating.

 

4 hours ago, Troy said:

And somebody who doesn’t pay what they owe on gambling debt needs to catch a beat down. The adage:

“That god-damn credit? Dead it.” applies.

Biggie had many quotable lines but that one definitely ranks near the top.

 

The mob has become more sophisticated. They are not breaking limbs and killing folks like they did back in the day. They're taking valuables, vehicles l, property, etc. Violence is a last resort.

 

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

19 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

IMO, there's no legitimate excuse for a Black person to blow $100 million dollars. Especially not when they are under 40 years old.

 

Is being human an excuse? the history is money coincides with the history of lost fortunes, this is a human thing... are you suggesting black people int he usa shouldn't be human? Isn't that an uneven double standard?

I think a black person over 40 worth 100 million has every right to lose all their money as all the other humans who also have done that in the past week around the world. 

 

19 hours ago, ProfD said:

Despite the disadvantages of slavery, there's no shortage of multimillion Black athletes and entertainers who have held on to and compounded their fortunes.

and Jim Crow, not just slavery, and jim crow. Black money in the usa is really a modern thing, mentioning slavery absent jim crow to any body who doesn't comprehend the financial history of black people in this country is leaving out a huge era of financial pain, that being jim crow. 

 

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

n after hours spot would get away it. A casino business is supposed to follow the gambling laws for that jurisdiction. I don't imagine the laws condone cheating

the question is evidence  @Troy the mob today isn't of the past, very calculating. 

[ProfD]

7 hours ago, richardmurray said:

 

Is being human an excuse? the history is money coincides with the history of lost fortunes, this is a human thing... are you suggesting black people int he usa shouldn't be human? Isn't that an uneven double standard?

 

and Jim Crow, not just slavery, and jim crow. Black money in the usa is really a modern thing, mentioning slavery absent jim crow to any body who doesn't comprehend the financial history of black people in this country is leaving out a huge era of financial pain, that being jim crow. 

No excuses. Too many resources (human M& data), information and knowledge exists for someone to remain ignorant.

 

History provides a perspective that we should know to 1) avoid repeating the past and 2) move forward in progressing.

 

Wallowing in the past isn't going to get us anywhere. Use that knowledge to force change by any means necessary.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

your words suggest, financial failure only comes from a lack of knowledge... it is called gambling for a reason Profd. 

 

Yes, history should teach all human beings many things... does it? 

 

Again, the Black populace in the usa today, isn't wallowing in the past, the black populace in the usa in 2025 has all positive financial markers, now, they may not be to the extent you want, but that isn't wallowing. And I repeat, considering you comprehend the past of black people in the usa, I am willing to fully comprehend a minority populace that had to fight Very ^INF hard to get to integration nonviolently, not being some gungho now. Black people are doing it, but if your expecting some sort of grand communal collective financial march, it will not come nor in my mind should it come from the ground up. the USA hasn't even remotely warranted that. And black people have lived far worse, so patience is something which I argue we have more than anybody barring the First peoples/native american and patience is a virtue. PRofd , if you are others in a great rush, well get busy leading by example.

[Troy]

18 hours ago, ProfD said:

An after hours spot would get away it. A casino business is supposed to follow the gambling laws for that jurisdiction. I don't imagine the laws condone cheating.

 

I assumed the cheating at poker was during a private non-regulated game  -- not one in a public casino.

 

Casino and lotteries extract a great deal of money from the Black community.  Sure people "win" from time to time, but the impact a great net loss for the community.  Is the Lottery "cheating?"  On some level I think they are, as the prey on people giving them a false sense of winning; never quantifying how much money they take every da from seniors, gambling addicts, people desperate for a way out of poverty...

 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

A lot of money, time, and energy being spent on NOTHING.

This isn't harming anybody or making anybody sick.
It what you call a "victimless" crime.

There are far better things law enforcement can be focused on like actually preventing the homicides and violence that goes on across the United States or stopping the sexual assaults that go on in prisons around the nation.....instead of focusing on shit like this.

I don't participate in them so I'm not sure how involved there are, but when you go to some casinos you have an entire section with a screen that has something to so with sports teams and how much money you want to be on them.
Isn't that the same?
Or what's going on?

Too damn confusing.

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

A lot of money, time, and energy being spent on NOTHING.

The government is being weaponized to go after political enemies whether it's how someone voted or donated money or opposed the establishment.

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I don't participate in them so I'm not sure how involved there are, but when you go to some casinos you have an entire section with a screen that has something to so with sports teams and how much money you want to be on them.
Isn't that the same?
Or what's going on?

Too damn confusing.

Sports betting is legal part of gambling.  The issue comes down to cheating. 

 

There should be no unfair advantage even though the house always wins in the end.

[Pioneer1]

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

The government is being weaponized to go after political enemies whether it's how someone voted or donated money or opposed the establishment.

 

Sports betting is legal part of gambling.  The issue comes down to cheating. 

 

There should be no unfair advantage even though the house always wins in the end.

This reminds me of how they make "insider trading" illegal when it comes to stocks, and then proceed to go after people.

This all seems a bit subjective to me, because there's a fine line between what some people call "cheating" and what others call "strategy".

If I get a tip that a company is about to go bankrupt or go out of business and I pull all of my stocks from it, is that cheating?

If I get a tip that the star player of a team has an injury or had a bad night of drugs and alcohol the night before the big game so I place my bets on the OTHER team, is THAT cheating?

[ProfD]

@Pioneer1...Insider trading is a great example. 

 

Politicians have gotten filthy rich from insider trading.  No investigations, prosecutions or jail time.

 

Meanwhile, a few folks at a casino or wherever stack the deck or use inside information to fleece others out their money...it is headline news.

 

It is all subjective depending on who made the rules and who is doing the cheating.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

You'd have to be pretty naive in the first place to NOT realize that professional sports is rigged to certain degrees.
You have millions if not billions of dollars involved.
OFCOURSE athletes are going to be paid off to do certain things.


I got into an argument with a "brother"....a pretty intense argument ...lol....years ago over a subject similar to this.
He actually pulled out a gat and flashed it.

We were talking about the basketball play offs and the Lakers were one of the teams.
Weeks ago I told him and some other people that it wasn't going to be a sweep and they were going to EXTEND the games.
Here it was 6 or 7 games later and they were still playing and when they asked me how did I know...I said because the games were rigged so they could keep on playing and generate more money.
If there was a sweep....that's the end.
But if they were to go 6 or 7 games....then whoever is making money off of the events stand to make MORE.

This loud mouth nigga wanted to argue with me over HOW could they pull something like that off and who all is involved and why would an athlete choose to lose or not do his best.
I told him these are professional athletes with full control over their bodies they know how to MAKE a shot or MISS a shot, they know how to throw a punch or MISS a punch or take a dive and not get back up.  Not all the time, but they know how.
They know their bodies like machines and have control over them.

They are PROFESSIONAL and they're there to MAKE MONEY....not necessarily win a game.
So if they are TOLD to lose and get PAID to lose, then they'll LOSE on purpose to keep that bank roll coming in.
 

[ProfD]

51 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

You'd have to be pretty naive in the first place to NOT realize that professional sports is rigged to certain degrees.
You have millions if not billions of dollars involved.
OFCOURSE athletes are going to be paid off to do certain things.

Cognitive dissonance is a huge *problem* among humans.

 

 

51 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I got into an argument with a "brother"....a pretty intense argument ...lol....years ago over a subject similar to this.
He actually pulled out a gat and flashed it.

I'd imagine this argument happened before you got hip to the late Neely Fuller Jr.

 

51 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

This loud mouth nigga wanted to argue with me over HOW could they pull something like that off and who all is involved and why would an athlete choose to lose or not do his best.
I told him these are professional athletes with full control over their bodies they know how to MAKE a shot or MISS a shot, they know how to throw a punch or MISS a punch or take a dive and not get back up.  Not all the time, but they know how.
They know their bodies like machines and have control over them.

They are PROFESSIONAL and they're there to MAKE MONEY....not necessarily win a game.
So if they are TOLD to lose and get PAID to lose, then they'll LOSE on purpose to keep that bank roll coming in.

You provided the truth.  That is hard for people to handle especially when it comes against whatever they have chosen to believe. 

 

It is best to stick to constructive conversations with questions and answers for the purpose of solving problems.  Anything else might lead to an argument.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

Really, with him it was more of a  set trippin'  EGO thing.

We had BEEN going back and forth over the years we'd known eachother because I'm from Detroit and he was from Chicago and he figured he had something to "prove"...lol.
Every disagreement we'd get in would eventually come to him claiming "yall niggaz from Detroit be like...."   "yall niggaz from Detroit think yall so...."  LOL.

It didn't matter WHAT we were talking about.
We could be talking about Popeye's Chicken vs KFC, it would eventually boil down to how Chicago got the best spots....but watch out because you might get popped.
Chicago got the tallest buildings.....but don't talk shit to the wrong person or you might get tossed off of one.
He always felt he had to prove to everybody how dangerous the neighborhood was he came from.

He was like that with all the BLACK people he came across, but with the White folks he'd just say "good morning" and keep it pushing.

I'm on one level talking about politics and the Black community.
He's on another level talking about which hoods are the hardest, how many homicides did you see growing up, which city is the most ruthless.
That's what HE was on.  And he was in his 40s back then!

 

[Troy]

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If I get a tip that a company is about to go bankrupt or go out of business and I pull all of my stocks from it, is that cheating?

 

Yeah, if the information is not public. "Insider trading" is illegal.

 

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If I get a tip that the star player of a team has an injury or had a bad night of drugs and alcohol the night before the big game so I place my bets on the OTHER team, is THAT cheating?

 

Yeah, if the player knows you are going use the information to place a bet. 

 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

Meanwhile, a few folks at a casino or wherever stack the deck or use inside information to fleece others out their money...it is headline news.

 

If the someone in a regulated casino stacking a deck, loading dice, rigging slot machines they need to go to jail. It is larceny.

 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

Politicians have gotten filthy rich from insider trading.  No investigations, prosecutions or jail time.

 

Yeah, welcome to America. 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

This loud mouth nigga wanted to argue with me over HOW could they pull something like that off and who all is involved and why would an athlete choose to lose or not do his best.

 

Extending a game to 6 or 7 games is not like throwing a boxing match -- which takes just one person to "go down in the 2nd."  Extending a basketball series requires a lot more coordination with more people.  

 

The only possible out comes are a sweep (win in 4) win in 5, 6, or 7. 

 

Now wouldn't it make sense that a sweep is actually far less likely than winning in 7 -- given any playoff caliber can beat any other other playoff caliber team on any given night.  Does that make sense? 

 

The most likely outcome of a series is 5, 6 or 7 assuming a standard distribution around the mean of 6 tell me 6 games series is very likely the most common outcome on conspiracy needed. Occam’s Razor Brother...