EconomicCorner26

[richardmurray]

Mamdani's plan for affordability stores

What say you?

 

https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/583-economic-corner-26/

 

[Pioneer1]

I have a number of thoughts about this:

First of all Richard, is that Mamdani's plan....or YOUR plan?
The thread in the link seems to suggest it is YOUR plan that you PROPOSED to him.

But more to the Plan itself......

From what I see, that plan looks like a Socialist oriented plan.
And like many Socialist ideas...it looks good on paper but when you try to implement it in real life a number of problems often arise.

---It appears to be trying to deal with the "food desert" conditions that exist in many urban areas not just in New York but in Urban areas around the nation.
But it doesn't address some of the underlaying CAUSES of these "food deserts".
One of the causes is the fact that many people DON'T WANT fresh foods.  They LIKE the hot cheetos and junk food that they get from these bodegas and liquor stores because although they aren't healthy....they're cheap and tasty.
You remove the cheap ghetto food and replace it with healthy fresh food that is more expensive and a lot of people will have problems with THAT.


---It talks about NYC Ran grocery stores.
So will those grocery stores actually be OWNED by the City of New York, or will they be private stores SUBSIDIZED by the City of New York?
Because like Section 8....why should the government pick and choose who THEY decide to subsidize and make rich?
They are picking CERTAIN stores and giving them millions of dollars to feed the people mean while OTHER stores don't get that same benefit, which means it's actually TARGETED VAMPIRE CAPITALISM. 

And even if NYC actually OWNS these grocery stores, will the managers and employees be city workers?
Will NYC ensure that there is no discrimination in who gets to manage and run these stores?

The Mayor Elect is of Indian descent.
We know that Indians own a disproportionate number of 7-11s, corner stores, and even bodegas around the nation.....so this is bound to benefit them.
 

[richardmurray]

@Pioneer1

I notice one thing in your comment, one great absence, a positive suggestion. Your comment is full of complaint and judgement, but lacks any ideas to solve anything, now the reason is one of two things. 

You don't have one, for whatever reason. 

You can't share one, for whatever reason. 

The only thing I dislike in your comment is the lack of positive suggestion. Not unexpected but still I dislike it.

 

Now, to your comment...

 

I thought my writing was clear, unfortunate that it engendered such a poor reading from you or that you misread it so poorly.

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

First of all Richard, is that Mamdani's plan....or YOUR plan?
The thread in the link seems to suggest it is YOUR plan that you PROPOSED to him.

To aid in clarity,

My suggestion is a law that allows stores to sell food in more affordable quantities . 

Mamdani's plan is government owned stores to sell food affordably. 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You remove the cheap ghetto food and replace it with healthy fresh food that is more expensive and a lot of people will have problems with THAT.

Your right, people without money don't care for expensive food. If all you have is fifty cents, i imagine two dollar foods will be problematic to acquire, unless of course one is able to steal but then of course, some people in this forum COUGH Pioneer1 talk so much about the existence of those who break the law, i guess the people who can't afford food can't break the law to get it, so I guess, they should starve, I mean who would have a problem with starving.

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

So will those grocery stores actually be OWNED by the City of New York, or will they be private stores SUBSIDIZED by the City of New York?
Because like Section 8....why should the government pick and choose who THEY decide to subsidize and make rich?
They are picking CERTAIN stores and giving them millions of dollars to feed the people mean while OTHER stores don't get that same benefit, which means it's actually TARGETED VAMPIRE CAPITALISM. 

Please learn to read better, the articles in the post clearly state in Mamdani's plan they will be government owned stores, not subsidized. 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

And even if NYC actually OWNS these grocery stores, will the managers and employees be city workers?

Your first question that wasn't answered in the economic corner post. Well done,  I don't know, if I was in mamdani's inner circle I would know. But Mamdani is still fleshing out this idea. As the Economic Corner stated, his plan has many detractors of various types for various reasons. 

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Will NYC ensure that there is no discrimination in who gets to manage and run these stores?

I will assume no merely because ensuring no discrimination exists has never happened anywhere in the entire usa, your asking NYC to do what has never happened in the USA before in its circa 250 year history or before in the european colonial era. 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The Mayor Elect is of Indian descent.
We know that Indians own a disproportionate number of 7-11s, corner stores, and even bodegas around the nation.....so this is bound to benefit them.

Well in NYC is a different demographic makeup in terms of business ownership. NYC is more complex. remember, NYC is the only city in the usa with a populace from every government. I have seen so many mixed couples: jew/muslim ; south american/african; chinese/mexican and their various mixed babies, NYC is going through a mulattozation.  I have never seen a 7-11 in this part of the city. And around here, corner stores are owned by a variance: africans/arabs/latinos for the most part. What may surprise you is around here, most of the non corporate eating entities are owned by black folk: DOS/cAribbean/Continental combined. And around here, black folk have been interbreeding longer than elsewhere in the USA, meaning you see alot of Black couples that are mixes from within a black perspective. Corporate eatery is defined as Mcdonlads and the like.  Indians aren't the biggest populace in this part of NYC , when you see them they tend to work in stores. I don't think I have been to a store an indian owns around here, in this section of harlem for a long while. I recall one 99 cent store but the location became closed and has been closed ever since. The property owner probably wants to much and so it isn't worth it. NYC is really a hard place for a corner store.  People like you assume alot of habits that at least in nyc aren't the truth. Most people go to the supermarket or have their food shipped. Fresh direct is making a killing. The people who have money just get the grocery to them and the rest of us shop at the supermarket. The local store... got it rough. I argue if it wasn't for the larger real estate market, not wanting nyc to have a huge mound of vacant areas, the local stores in NYC would be mostly gone. PEople shop at the supermarket. The only real money local stores get is kids, who want their candies, and the late shift people, when the supermarket is closed and they may want something and after a long day of work too tired for home cooking. But even then the local store is not the option most get, the place that gets the most late night money is a franchise , owned by a black woman , from the islands, she does make some lovely beef stew. but she is open all day. i have seen lines of the late shift outside her stores. 

And , i repeat, Mamdani didn't get the asian vote as a block, many indians didn't vote for him. He did only get 50% of the cities vote. It wasn't by accident. When he was in the ny state assembly he never had one law that truly aided indians https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/363-zohran-mamdani-legislation/   as you suggest this will. and to be blunt, repeating what is in the economic corner post,  the business owning community in nyc is in majority against this plan of Mamdani's. And as I said in the post I comprehend why Mamdani is going this way. After Obama+ AOC , Mamdani knows to be successful he cant' court his community, which Obama showed is vital in seats like Mayor. But,Mamdani also knows that Obama + OAC have many detractors in their own community who feel they didn't do or haven't done enough for "their people" even though the Obama type candidates don't view themselves as part of a hyphenated group in the usa, they view themselves as Frederick Douglass stated in the 1800s, as part of a composite nation of individuals, overcoming heritage based rigidities, while culturally fluid. Emphasizing individualism bound in the idea of individual rights+freedoms alongside others under the law. Mamdani , taking Obama's stylism, doesn't want to be the mayor of the indians or asians in NYC but the mayor of the city. But Mamdani needs results so he is being more forceful than obama or fellow obamite elected officials in trying to get something done. 

 

[Pioneer1]

richardmurray

 

Your comment is full of complaint and judgement, but lacks any ideas to solve anything, now the reason is one of two things. 

You don't have one, for whatever reason. 

You can't share one, for whatever reason. 

Well, according to what you've just written....there's NO NEED to "solve" it,  because there's no problem to solve!

You said:

5 hours ago, richardmurray said:

People like you assume alot of habits that at least in nyc aren't the truth. Most people go to the supermarket or have their food shipped. Fresh direct is making a killing. The people who have money just get the grocery to them and the rest of us shop at the supermarket. The local store... got it rough. I argue if it wasn't for the larger real estate market, not wanting nyc to have a huge mound of vacant areas, the local stores in NYC would be mostly gone. PEople shop at the supermarket. The only real money local stores get is kids, who want their candies, and the late shift people, when the supermarket is closed and they may want something and after a long day of work too tired for home cooking

If most people....as you suggest...already have the money and transportation to get to the supermarkets and buy what they need or have it shipped fresh and direct, there's NO NEED to open up government owned stores with "affordable" prices.
There's really no need for the stores that already exist to start selling food at "affordable" prices or in "affordable" quantities.
Based on what you just said, these store would operate more out of convenience than necessity.

 

 

 

My suggestion is a law that allows stores to sell food in more affordable quantities . 

Pardon my ignorance on NYC laws and statues, especially with regard to food sales and consumption....
However what law is STOPPING them from doing this already?

If a supermarket wants to only sell ONE stick of butter or even HALF a stick of butter at a time, as long as it's properly handled and packaged...are they not allowed to?

 

 

 

Please learn to read better, the articles in the post clearly state in Mamdani's plan they will be government owned stores, not subsidized. 

It's not a matter of better READING because I didn't bother reading the entire thing in the first place....lol.
Rather than sitting down and reading an entire thesis, I figured I'd save a lot of time and photons by just asking YOU DIRECTLY the questions I'm interested in knowing concerning these utopian plans.
But anyway.....

Again, this raises questions on multiple levels:

-Because NYC is such a huge market....needless to say whoever the suppliers for these stores are, will make a killing as the City of New York foots the bill.

-Will suppliers get their contracts through bidding with the city, like construction contractors do?

-We know there are Black farmers.
Who will ensure THEY get their fair share of the contracts as suppliers?

-Again, who ensures that AfroAmericans get our fair share of jobs....including management positions....in these stores?

All of this must be taken into consideration when you talk about promoting government owned and operated stores.

 

[Pioneer1]

richardmurray

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

To aid in clarity,

My suggestion is a law that allows stores to sell food in more affordable quantities . 

 

 

Take a look at YOUR Affordability Plan in action:
 

 

[richardmurray]

@Pioneer1

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

However what law is STOPPING them from doing this already?

If a supermarket wants to only sell ONE stick of butter or even HALF a stick of butter at a time, as long as it's properly handled and packaged...are they not allowed to?

Pioneer, where are you from? You do realize that supermarket chain owners sign contracts with stipulations? Legal agreements are sometimes signed for certain food items with stipulations on how to care. Let alone that city/state/federal laws may state what can or can not happen? The FDA doesn't allow the interstate sale of butter so... what other laws are there. Where are you from? Do you own a business? 

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It's not a matter of better READING because I didn't bother reading the entire thing in the first place....lol.

so that is why you ask questions answered in the post, well thank you, i now fully comprehend the quality of your statements in the forum. 

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

-Will suppliers get their contracts through bidding with the city, like construction contractors do?

-We know there are Black farmers.
Who will ensure THEY get their fair share of the contracts as suppliers?

-Again, who ensures that AfroAmericans get our fair share of jobs....including management positions....in these stores?

Mamdani hasn't even got his plan accepted.  and like before all you offer is judgement, no ideas, no positive quality. You are like one of those rush limbaugh style podcasters just through text. 

 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

richardmurray

 

 

Pioneer, where are you from? You do realize that supermarket chain owners sign contracts with stipulations? Legal agreements are sometimes signed for certain food items with stipulations on how to care. Let alone that city/state/federal laws may state what can or can not happen? The FDA doesn't allow the interstate sale of butter so... what other laws are there. Where are you from? Do you own a business? 

 
Man, what's wrong with you....I just TOLD you to pardon me for not knowing the laws of New York and quite frankly the laws and policies governing grocery stores and food in general.

I'm not a restaurant or supermarket owner, so how am I supposed to just "know" what the rules and regulations are????

I know there are laws that regulate how food is HANDLED and STORED but not necessarily how it's PORTIONED for sales.

You're acting like this shit is common sense or something you learn in elementary school...lol

 

They sell APPLES in bags or individually, don't they?
They sell YOUGURT in packs or individually, don't they?
They sell POP, POTATO CHIPS, CANDY, FRUIT, VEGETABLES, PORTIONS OF MEAT...already packaged or in individual portions in most grocery stores and supermarkets I've been in around the country.
So how am I supposed to know there's a law PROHIBITING them from doing so with a gotdamn stick of butter?

BTW, Wal-Mart sends semi-trucks FULL of butter, cheese, milk, meat, and other foods constantly cross state lines and across the nation so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
 

 

 

so that is why you ask questions answered in the post, well thank you, i now fully comprehend the quality of your statements in the forum. 

 

Ofcourse.
People have other things to do, besides come on here and read a whole 6 page THESIS on something that can be summed up in 3 paragraphs.

 

I don't want to read Mamdani's entire Manifesto for the City of New York from A-Z just to answer a couple questions -that I really ALREADY know the answers to.
I don't have time for it,  nor do I have a desire to do so if I did.
 

 

Mamdani hasn't even got his plan accepted.  and like before all you offer is judgement, no ideas, no positive quality. You are like one of those rush limbaugh style podcasters just through text. 

Man, are you serious?
Offer ideas????
He ain't running no damn high school talent show!
People aren't sitting around in circles offering "positive ideas"!

These folks have an AGENDA.

They DON'T WANT your "positive ideas" because Mamdani and the people who PUT him in office already have THEIR IDEAS to push THEIR AGENDA!

 

 

 

 

 

But Mamdani needs results so he is being more forceful than obama or fellow obamite elected officials in trying to get something done. 

It doesn't matter how many starry eyed niggas voted for him thinking they'll really get some sort of change
We pretty much KNOW his Administration is going to follow the same path the others before him have followed, which means catering to the billionaires and elite of New York and the further marginalization of the AfroAmerican populace.
 

If you disagree, let me ask you...do you have some sort of magic mirror or crystal ball where you can see into the future and see something DIFFERENT?

If not, what's with all the head scratching and confusion about what the hell that man is going to do or who he's going to help?
 

 

"Laaaawd ham'mercy we just elected a new Mayor!
Hush up now and be positive!
Let's see what he gonna do!"

You KNOW the man is not Jesus!
You KNOW he's not a miracle worker.
So besides having a funny-ass name, what makes HIM any different than the other characters who occupied that seat?