A Jealous And Insecure Man

[Pioneer1]

Let me ask a provocative question.....

What's wrong with a man being jealous and insecure?

Not in a timid and scared way to the point that he doesn't take risks or chances.
But in a protective and territorial way where he's generally on alert when other men come around and suspicious that they may try to push up on his woma(e)n or take his money.

If a man should NOT think like this, WHY shouldn't he?

[Troy]

Jealously and insecurity are human emotions nothing is inherently wrong with them, but like all negative emotions including hate, fear, envy, etc we should try to moderate then.

 

If a brother greets your woman with a smile while you are standing there, do you fly into a rage or are your pleased that she was greeted in a friendly manner?

 

Do you later give her grief, or slap her around, for encouraging the brother or do you think homie was a friendly guy?

 

The emotions are natural what provokes them and how we react to them is what matters. 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Let me ask a provocative question.....

What's wrong with a man being jealous and insecure?

As @Troy alluded, those are negative emotions. Usually points to deeper issues within that individual.

 

People don't make the best decisions based on their emotions. 

 

Jealousy and insecurity are not traits that enable a man to provide for and protect his woman, children, family, village, etc.

 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But in a protective and territorial way where he's generally on alert when other men come around and suspicious that they may try to push up on his woma(e)n or take his money.

If a man should NOT think like this, WHY shouldn't he?

A man should have the mental and physical abilities to handle his business. No time for jealousy and insecurity.

 

In fact, a strong man (mentally & physically) doesn't have to worry about his woman leaving and/or another man testing him.

 

A strong man can easily find another woman. They are attracted to him.

[Pioneer1]

Troy

 

Jealously and insecurity are human emotions nothing is inherently wrong with them, but like all negative emotions including hate, fear, envy, etc we should try to moderate then.

 

I would argue that although these are STRONG emotions, they aren't necessarily negative emotions.
It depends on their origins, context, and how they're used.

 

A man COULD use being jealous or envious of another man to take HIS woman and money....or use those same feelings and the energy they invoke to get an even MORE ATTRACTIVE woman and MORE MONEY than the man he was jealous of.

 

I believe as humans we were given all of our emotions....including jealousy and envy....for a reason.

 

 

 

 

 

If a brother greets your woman with a smile while you are standing there, do you fly into a rage or are your pleased that she was greeted in a friendly manner?

I wouldn't fly into a rage over such a minor act; but depending on WHO that brother is and especially HER REACTION to it....it may be a cause of some concern, lol.

 

If a brother KNOWN to try to snatch up every woman he comes across for the fun of it smiles at my lady a little too long I would notice that and be on alert.
And if SHE starts slobbering and acting bashful over his greetings as if she's being tickled by it...that TOO will put me on alert...lol.

 

 

 

 

Do you later give her grief, or slap her around, for encouraging the brother or do you think homie was a friendly guy?

 

I don't slap women around, however as I said....depending on HER REACTION and how often this happens...I would probably consider LEAVING her.

I don't like dealing with the stress of wondering whether or not my lady is cheating on me.

In this type of society women are too independent and we spend too much time away from eachother for me to keep an eye on her all day....so if I know she's prone to that, I just wouldn't have her as a "main".
....a SIDE DISH maybe....lol....but not my "lady".
 

 

 

 

 

 

ProfD

 

 

As @Troy alluded, those are negative emotions. Usually points to deeper issues within that individual.

 

They may indeed have issues going on in their lives.
Yet my question remains...WHAT'S WRONG with them being jealous and insecure that another man may take what they have?

 

Perhaps their insecurities are JUSTIFIED.

Perhaps he's deformed, or sexually dysfunctional, or struggles with some sort of addiction and feels that at any time his woman may be unsatisfied with him and may leave him for a "better catch".
Wouldn't it MAKE SENSE for him to be insecure and jealous when other men she may like, come around?

 

 

 

 

People don't make the best decisions based on their emotions. 

While this is true, there is usually a THOUGHT that preceded those emotions....and THAT'S what a person should pay attention to.
An emotion is simply a REACTION to a thought.
But the thought itself may be justified because it was brought about for a reason.

You have a woman who is YOUR woman...but for the past few weeks she has to get up and go downstairs to talk to somebody every other night at 2 and 3 in the morning.
She gets off of work at 5 pm and usually comes straight home....but for the past few weeks she's been coming home at 10 and 11pm at night and doesn't even have an excuse for doing so.

That's enough to make the AVERAGE man a little "emotional"....lol.

You'd be a fool not to suspect SOMETHING strange is going on.

 

 

 

 

Jealousy and insecurity are not traits that enable a man to provide for and protect his woman, children, family, village, etc.

 

I'm not sure about insecurity but I do believe JEALOUSY would definitely enable a man....atleast provide him with the energy and motivation...to protect his woman, children, family, and village.

Jealousy is a sign that he really loves or atleast desires the object OF his jealousy and would do almost anything to keep it....including fight and kill for it.

Show me a man who never gets jealous over his woman and I'll show you a man who DOESN'T HAVE a woman....or can't keep her long because another man who actually DOES want her will take her away...lol.

 

A man should have the mental and physical abilities to handle his business. No time for jealousy and insecurity.

In fact, a strong man (mentally & physically) doesn't have to worry about his woman leaving and/or another man testing him.
A strong man can easily find another woman. They are attracted to him.

You're speaking in idealistic terms....not necessarily realistic.
 
Besides, most women in this society who cheat...don't seem to choose the mean they cheat with based on their strength.
Mental or physical.
 

The fact is, based on my observation....most cheating occurs by simple ACCESS.
They more you're around a person of the opposite sex the more likely you are to have sex with them as you get to know them and know more about them.

Many Arabs and people in very religious cultures have BEEN known this for centuries....which is why they usually keep men and women who aren't married to eachother SEPARATE.
They don't work together or even go to school together.

They know things will just "happen" between men and women.

[ProfD]

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

A man COULD use being jealous or envious of another man to take HIS woman and money....or use those same feelings and the energy they invoke to get an even MORE ATTRACTIVE woman and MORE MONEY than the man he was jealous of.

There is nothing to gain in taking another man's woman.

 

A man's energy is better spent increasing his own wealth. 

 

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

...I would probably consider LEAVING her.

I don't like dealing with the stress of wondering whether or not my lady is cheating on me.

 

In this type of society women are too independent and we spend too much time away from eachother for me to keep an eye on her all day....

It's best to not get involved with a woman who's not truly on the team. No stress.

 

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Yet my question remains...WHAT'S WRONG with them being jealous and insecure that another man may take what they have?

It is unproductive. People cannot own each other.

 

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Perhaps he's deformed, or sexually dysfunctional, or struggles with some sort of addiction and feels that at any time his woman may be unsatisfied with him and may leave him for a "better catch".

Wouldn't it MAKE SENSE for him to be insecure and jealous when other men she may like, come around?

A man should do whatever it takes to mske himself more attractive. More importantly, he should pursue women who are genuinely interested in him.

 

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You have a woman who is YOUR woman...but for the past few weeks she has to get up and go downstairs to talk to somebody every other night at 2 and 3 in the morning.
She gets off of work at 5 pm and usually comes straight home....but for the past few weeks she's been coming home at 10 and 11pm at night and doesn't even have an excuse for doing so.

The question becomes was she ever really his woman and how did he lose her.

 

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Show me a man who never gets jealous over his woman and I'll show you a man who DOESN'T HAVE a woman....or can't keep her long because another man who actually DOES want her will take her away...lol.

Men don't have to be jealous or insecure if they are with women who are genuinely attracted to them.

 

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You're speaking in idealistic terms....not necessarily realistic.

Realistic in my environment. 

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Besides, most women in this society who cheat...don't seem to choose the mean they cheat with based on their strength.
Mental or physical.

Just like men, women cheat for a number of reasons. 

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

They more you're around a person of the opposite sex the more likely you are to have sex with them.

Depending on where one lives, works and plays, they can be around the same people of the opposite sex for many years without getting physical.

 

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Many Arabs and people in very religious cultures have BEEN known this for centuries....which is why they usually keep men and women who aren't married to eachother SEPARATE.
They don't work together or even go to school together.

They know things will just "happen" between men and women.

There's several reasons culturally that men and women are kept separate. 

 

A man should only get involved with women to the extent that his mental can handle it.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

There is nothing to gain in taking another man's woman.

 

1. If that was his GOAL....to take "his" woman...then that was the gain in and of itself!
2. As you've so often said before, people don't OWN eachother...so is that really "his" woman; or is she a free woman who can make up her mind as to who she wants to choose and be with moment by moment?

 

 

A man's energy is better spent increasing his own wealth. 

 

In your and my opinion, yes....however people tend to have their own goals.
If HIS particular goal isn't to increase wealth but to get THAT woman he's had eyes on since 9th grade....and he finally has an opportunity to snag her, then in HIS mind his energy is best spent chasing after her.

 

 

 

It's best to not get involved with a woman who's not truly on the team. No stress.

 

Some men learn that as they get older, some men don't learn it at all.
Some men actually like the chase and the psychological games of trying to "win" her over to his team.

 

 

 

 

It is unproductive. People cannot own each other.

 

See....you just backed up what I said earlier about people not owning eachother.
However FEAR is a powerful motivator.
If you have wealth or women and don't want to lose them....FEAR and the prospect of getting hurt will prevent a lot of men from attempting to take them from you.

 

 

 

 

A man should do whatever it takes to mske himself more attractive. More importantly, he should pursue women who are genuinely interested in him.

 

You'll get no arguments from me on this.
However if she's genuinely interested...he shouldn't have to pursue for too long...lol.

 

 

 

 

Men don't have to be jealous or insecure if they are with women who are genuinely attracted to them.

 

Unless another man she's ALSO genuinely attracted to also comes along...lol.
Now you got competition.

 

 

 

Depending on where one lives, works and plays, they can be around the same people of the opposite sex for many years without getting physical.

 

Ofcourse.
But proximity is the biggest factor.

 

Most boys find their girlfriends...not at some public playground...but as school.
Most men find their wives...not at a club or bar...but at work.

Again, this is why most men from eastern cultures keep their women AWAY from working jobs and at home.

[frankster]

On 11/15/2025 at 8:54 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Let me ask a provocative question.....

What's wrong with a man being jealous and insecure?

Jealousy is not always a bad thing....neither is being insecure

Both are means use by your subconscious mind to tell you something is not what it appears to be...

How you react or interpret that information is what makes it beneficial or detrimental.

 

On 11/15/2025 at 8:54 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Not in a timid and scared way to the point that he doesn't take risks or chances.

Understood...

Timidity is being cautious...scared is being extra vigilant

So long as neither stops you from taking action to confront and recognize the cause.

 

On 11/15/2025 at 8:54 AM, Pioneer1 said:

But in a protective and territorial way where he's generally on alert when other men come around and suspicious that they may try to push up on his woma(e)n or take his money.

True....that is his responsibility to protect and secure family

 

On 11/15/2025 at 8:54 AM, Pioneer1 said:

 

If a man should NOT think like this, WHY shouldn't he?

It only becomes a problem when it curtails the freedoms and liberties of those who he intends to protect.

It is My opinion that one should be able to trust his woman to handle certain situation in a manner that makes you and herself happy

 

On 11/15/2025 at 10:20 AM, Troy said:

Jealously and insecurity are human emotions nothing is inherently wrong with them,

True...

 

On 11/15/2025 at 10:20 AM, Troy said:

but like all negative emotions including hate, fear, envy, etc we should try to moderate then.

Hate to me is not an emotion....hate is a sentiment

Fear is an emotion that warns of danger real or imagine.

Envy is an feeling based in lack

 

On 11/15/2025 at 10:20 AM, Troy said:

If a brother greets your woman with a smile while you are standing there, do you fly into a rage or are your pleased that she was greeted in a friendly manner?

I first evaluate her reaction....then i consider whether or not he has overstep

 

On 11/15/2025 at 10:20 AM, Troy said:

Do you later give her grief,

That depends on her actions and reactions...

 

On 11/15/2025 at 10:20 AM, Troy said:

or slap her around,

Never....or only in physical self defense

 

On 11/15/2025 at 10:20 AM, Troy said:

for encouraging the brother

Was she flirting ?

 

On 11/15/2025 at 10:20 AM, Troy said:

 

or do you think homie was a friendly guy?

Hard to say without more detail

 

On 11/15/2025 at 10:20 AM, Troy said:

The emotions are natural what provokes them and how we react to them is what matters. 

True

 

On 11/15/2025 at 11:17 AM, ProfD said:

As @Troy alluded, those are negative emotions. Usually points to deeper issues within that individual.

I do not see them as inherently negatively...

And yes it points to what is in the individual...

 

On 11/15/2025 at 11:17 AM, ProfD said:

People don't make the best decisions based on their emotions. 

Information is pick up by our Senses.....This info is below the level of Consciousness - subliminal.

Subliminal info is raw data.....feelings

Depending on current Mind Set...Temperament or Disposition.

Feelings become Emotions

 

On 11/15/2025 at 11:17 AM, ProfD said:

Jealousy and insecurity are not traits that enable a man to provide for and protect his woman, children, family, village, etc.

I disagree

First you must define your definition of Jealousy and Insecurity?

To me Jealousy is the fearing of losing something.

Insecurity means to be in harms way exposed or unprotected.

 

On 11/15/2025 at 11:17 AM, ProfD said:

A man should have the mental and physical abilities to handle his business.

True...

 

On 11/15/2025 at 11:17 AM, ProfD said:

No time for jealousy and insecurity.

Keeping and Protecting his family is his business.

 

On 11/15/2025 at 11:17 AM, ProfD said:

In fact, a strong man (mentally & physically) doesn't have to worry about his woman leaving and/or another man testing him.

He should not worry..

But he must be prepared for betrayal and testing

 

On 11/15/2025 at 11:17 AM, ProfD said:

A strong man can easily find another woman. They are attracted to him.

True

 

 

[ProfD]

6 minutes ago, frankster said:

True....that is his responsibility to protect and secure 

 

I disagree

First you must define your definition of Jealousy and Insecurity?

To me Jealousy is the fearing of losing something.

Insecurity means to be in harms way exposed or unprotected.

 

Keeping and Protecting his family is his business.

 

He should not worry..

But he must be prepared for betrayal and testing

Jealousy and insecurity point to underlying fears of inadequacy.

 

An intelligent, physically fit man who is capable of handling his business in terms of stacking resources (wealth)  and self-defense has a level of confidence that does not make room for jealousy and insecurity.

 

Again, a strong man i.e. alpha-male is capable of protection and provision without making moves based on emotions.

 

People are naturally attracted to alpha-males. They don't have to compete for women nor have to worry about losing them.

 

The biggest problem an alpha-male has with women is getting rid of the most toxic and/or least productive among them. 

[Pioneer1]

@frankster

POWERFUL analysis

 

[Pioneer1]

frankster

 

Jealousy is not always a bad thing....neither is being insecure

Both are means use by your subconscious mind to tell you something is not what it appears to be...

How you react or interpret that information is what makes it beneficial or detrimental.

 

I honestly didn't look at it from that perspective.

 

 

 

 

Understood...

Timidity is being cautious...scared is being extra vigilant

So long as neither stops you from taking action to confront and recognize the cause.

 

This reminds of the old saying that courage isn't the absence of fear...but rather doing what needs to be done DEPITE the fear.
Not letting the fear overrule you or prevent you from taking action.

 

 

True....that is his responsibility to protect and secure family

 

This is why I have a measure of respect for jealous and protective men.

I'm from Detroit and I remember when the Arabs and Chaldeans first started moving into the city in the 70s one of the things I noticed about them that stood out more so than the Black or White Americans...was how protective and "suspicious" the men were by comparison.

Even as a kid I noticed how they would make sure they were always near their females and didn't let them talk to other races of men.
How their women would look around at them and buck their eyes or look the other way when men of other races would try to talk to or joke around with them.

 

....for good reason.

 

Because usually no matter where the Arab man was....if an American man said something to an American woman...he usually popped up out of nowhere to respond or answer the question!
And didn't walk away and leave until YOU left.

 

 

 

 

 

It is My opinion that one should be able to trust his woman to handle certain situation in a manner that makes you and herself happy

 

I feel this way too.
Part of me says a man should trust his woman to handle this situation herself, yet another part of me says if you want to KEEP her you better put her on lock...just like you do your car, house, and anything else you value...before somebody else comes along and takes it away, lol.

 

 

 

 

Envy is an feeling based in lack

 

Facts.
But the fact is.....if you don't have it you don't have it.
IGNORING the fact that you don't have it won't bring you any closer to having it than mere ENVY, lol.

So if you want it....perhaps acknowledging the fact that you want it, don't have it, and are envious MIGHT motivate you into action to get it.

 

 

 

I first evaluate her reaction.

 

Exactly.

I expect certain men to do certain things, but it's HER REACTION that I'm checking the most.

[frankster]

9 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Jealousy and insecurity point to underlying fears of inadequacy.

Yes...it does - Can i protect and secure my family against all challenges??

As a young father i live with the continuous fear of can i feed shelter clothe and educate my family.

In sickness and in health out of sheer desperation..... courage allowed me to endure all sorts of pain and privations.

To secure my family to adulthood and see them to independence..

 

Bravery does not mean the absence of fear....bravery and courage means to face it or devise a means of success.

The question is not whether or not you are fearful or are you adequate...

We all have our fears...only the fool and ignorant has no fear or is unaware of his inadequacies.

The question is will you use what you have to succeed against all challenges..

 

9 minutes ago, ProfD said:

An intelligent, physically fit man who is capable of handling his business in terms of stacking resources (wealth)  and self-defense has a level of confidence that does not make room for jealousy and insecurity.

Even the most powerful King knows that eternal vigilance is the price of security

True confidence is born of preparation

One cannot prepare for every eventuality....so insecurity keeps you peaked(head on a swivel)

Jealousy gives you that awareness of weeds that can grow into huge logs that can jam you up.

 

9 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Again, a strong man i.e. alpha-male is capable of protection and provision without making moves based on emotions.

Emotions are guides....not the road

logics is the road

 

9 minutes ago, ProfD said:

People are naturally attracted to alpha-males.

Yes....some to pull you down and others to join you

 

9 minutes ago, ProfD said:

They don't have to compete for women nor have to worry about losing them.

Being the alpha means the competition is ongoing and it never stops....so long as you remain winning.

 

9 minutes ago, ProfD said:

The biggest problem an alpha-male has with women is getting rid of the most toxic and/or least productive among them. 

The cost you pay for success..

 

9 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

 

33 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

@franksterPOWERFUL analysis

thank you

 

4 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

Jealousy is not always a bad thing....neither is being insecure

Both are means use by your subconscious mind to tell you something is not what it appears to be...

How you react or interpret that information is what makes it beneficial or detrimental.

 

I honestly didn't look at it from that perspective.

Really it is matter of......you do not have enough info or can properly understand what you have

 

4 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Understood...

Timidity is being cautious...scared is being extra vigilant

So long as neither stops you from taking action to confront and recognize the cause.

 

This reminds of the old saying that courage isn't the absence of fear...but rather doing what needs to be done DEPITE the fear.
Not letting the fear overrule you or prevent you from taking action.

True...

Taking action and hoping that it is appropriate to achieve the outcome you desire.....despite the obstacles

 

4 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

True....that is his responsibility to protect and secure family

 

This is why I have a measure of respect for jealous and protective men.

I'm from Detroit and I remember when the Arabs and Chaldeans first started moving into the city in the 70s one of the things I noticed about them that stood out more so than the Black or White Americans...was how protective and "suspicious" the men were by comparison.

Even as a kid I noticed how they would make sure they were always near their females and didn't let them talk to other races of men.
How their women would look around at them and buck their eyes or look the other way when men of other races would try to talk to or joke around with them.

 

....for good reason.

Here is the thing....the Good reason in that type of Guarding

Women will succumb to the advances of men....especially if the opportunity for a dalliance arises.

They are not Protecting they are Guarding...in short she is a prisoner of his Tribal Familial Bloodline.

What is he really Guarding ....her Womb - to assure that it bears his seed

Should the prisoner try to escape he will kill her just as readily and aggressively as he guards her

This is not Jealousy or protection....it is Protection Racket

 

4 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Because usually no matter where the Arab man was....if an American man said something to an American woman...he usually popped up out of nowhere to respond or answer the question!
And didn't walk away and leave until YOU left.

not really understanding this comment above

 

4 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

It is My opinion that one should be able to trust his woman to handle certain situation in a manner that makes you and herself happy

 

I feel this way too.
Part of me says a man should trust his woman to handle this situation herself, yet another part of me says if you want to KEEP her you better put her on lock...just like you do your car, house, and anything else you value...before somebody else comes along and takes it away, lol.

True....

There is a difference between an individual and things that i recognize.....free will

I would not want to keep anyone....who doesn't want to stay

I would not want any body to stay....who wants more or better than i can provide.

 

4 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Envy is an feeling based in lack

 

Facts.
But the fact is.....if you don't have it you don't have it.
IGNORING the fact that you don't have it won't bring you any closer to having it than mere ENVY, lol.

So if you want it....perhaps acknowledging the fact that you want it, don't have it, and are envious MIGHT motivate you into action to get it.

True....

Then strive to get you own or a substitute...

 

4 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I first evaluate her reaction.

 

Exactly.

I expect certain men to do certain things, but it's HER REACTION that I'm checking the most.

True...

[Pioneer1]

frankster
 

 

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"Because usually no matter where the Arab man was....if an American man said something to an American woman...he usually popped up out of nowhere to respond or answer the question!
And didn't walk away and leave until YOU left."

not really understanding this comment above

Those were things I observed....even as a kid...of how closely Arab men would keep an eye on the females in his family.
If she were working in a store or gas station 

_____________________________________
First of all you rarely saw Arab women AT the store or gas stations their men owned or worked at
You just didn't see them.
They'd be at home or back in the Middle East or somewhere other than where YOU could get to them...lol
_______________________________________

But if you DID happen to see one....she kept her mouth shut and didn't make eye contact with any of the American customers.

And if on the RARE occasion you got close enough to say something to her or ask a question, she'd look at you funny and immediately look over to or for the nearest Arab man and let HIM to respond to you.

He'd stand there answering ANY question you may have had for her....lol.
And WOULDN'T walk away and leave her alone until YOU left the store or gas station!

I saw this multiple times as a KID, how they interacted with Americans....Black and White.
 

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, frankster said:

Bravery does not mean the absence of fear....bravery and courage means to face it or devise a means of success.

Bravery and courage are not synonymous with jealousy and insecurity either.

4 hours ago, frankster said:

The question is not whether or not you are fearful or are you adequate...

We all have our fears...only the fool and ignorant has no fear or is unaware of his inadequacies.

The question is will you use what you have to succeed against all challenges..

Right. Jealousy and insecurity are not actions. May be motivation. Still, one has to be equipped to do something in order to obtain or acquire.

 

4 hours ago, frankster said:

Being the alpha means the competition is ongoing and it never stops....so long as you remain winning.

Iron sharpens iron. 

 

4 hours ago, frankster said:

They are not Protecting they are Guarding...in short she is a prisoner of his Tribal Familial Bloodline.

What is he really Guarding ....her Womb - to assure that it bears his seed

 

This is not Jealousy or protection....it is Protection Racket

In the absence of procreation, is a jealous or insecure man protecting or guarding a woman's womb or merely keeping other men away from her?

 

4 hours ago, frankster said:

I would not want to keep anyone....who doesn't want to stay

I would not want any body to stay....who wants more or better than i can provide.

Right. Let that person go if they can do and/or find better. Plenty remaining. 

 

This thread was started as should a man be jealous and insecure I believe primarily as it relates to women.

 

They may seem to be flattered by it but the emotions of Jealousy and insecurity are really a turnoff to most women.

 

[frankster]

11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster
Those were things I observed....even as a kid...of how closely Arab men would keep an eye on the females in his family.
If she were working in a store or gas station 

He is Defending her Honor...often for her to speak to a stranger with out a male family member present or approval  can be construed as  as a Violation of her Honor..

Such a violation can lead to her demise.

 

11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

_____________________________________
First of all you rarely saw Arab women AT the store or gas stations their men owned or worked at
You just didn't see them.
They'd be at home or back in the Middle East or somewhere other than where YOU could get to them...lol
_______________________________________

Often these women are not allow to go of the house without a male family member accompanying them....such actions again can be construed as a Violation of the Honor Code

 

11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But if you DID happen to see one....she kept her mouth shut and didn't make eye contact with any of the American customers.

And if on the RARE occasion you got close enough to say something to her or ask a question, she'd look at you funny and immediately look over to or for the nearest Arab man and let HIM to respond to you.

He'd stand there answering ANY question you may have had for her....lol.
And WOULDN'T walk away and leave her alone until YOU left the store or gas station!

I saw this multiple times as a KID, how they interacted with Americans....Black and White.
 

It is their culture....in order to keep their women chaste.

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

Bravery and courage are not synonymous with jealousy and insecurity either.

I agree..I never said they were..

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

Right. Jealousy and insecurity are not actions. May be motivation. Still, one has to be equipped to do something in order to obtain or acquire.

Yes...

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

Iron sharpens iron. 

Yes...

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

In the absence of procreation, is a jealous or insecure man protecting or guarding a woman's womb or merely keeping other men away from her?

Yes in that case he is.......Merely keeping other men away

But it also depends on if they are Married or have a Family

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

Right. Let that person go if they can do and/or find better. Plenty remaining. 

I agree

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

This thread was started as should a man be jealous and insecure I believe primarily as it relates to women.

No...A man should not be Jealous or insecure.

But if those feelings arise...then they must be recognize heeded and checked out.

Why.....because often it is the woman who is sending signals that both men are reacting to

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

They may seem to be flattered by it but the emotions of Jealousy and insecurity are really a turnoff to most women.

Really.....I thought that was how she knows her power

[ProfD]

11 hours ago, frankster said:

He is Defending her Honor...often for her to speak to a stranger with out a male family member present or approval  can be construed as  as a Violation of her Honor..

Such a violation can lead to her demise.

 

It is their culture....in order to keep their women chaste.

There is a difference between cultural chastity and a man controlling a woman through jealousy and insecurity.

 

11 hours ago, frankster said:

Yes in that case he is.......Merely keeping other men away

But it also depends on if they are Married or have a Family

Being a jealous and insecure man will not  keep other men away from his wife and family. The fear of what a man will do if tested will keep others away.

 

11 hours ago, frankster said:

No...A man should not be Jealous or insecure.

But if those feelings arise...then they must be recognize heeded and checked out.

Why.....because often it is the woman who is sending signals that both men are reacting to

Again, rather than be emotional, a man is better off letting that woman go especially if she sends choosing signals to other men.

 

11 hours ago, frankster said:

Really.....I thought that was how she knows her power

Some women will be flattered by jealousy and insecurity right up until that man becomes aggressive and/or physical about it. All fun and games until somebody gets hurt.

 

I know dudes who are either stretched out in the penitentiary or graveyard as a result of their jealousy and/or insecurity.

 

If the woman was not unalived by the ex-dude, guess what's she's doing with her snatchbox...sharing it with a free and alive dude.

[frankster]

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

There is a difference between cultural chastity and a man controlling a woman through jealousy and insecurity.

Sure there is.....In the case example provided by @Pioneer1 it seems to be a cultural phenomena

 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

Being a jealous and insecure man will not  keep other men away from his wife and family.

Never said it would...all it can do is alert you to the fact of what is or might be happening or about to happen.

 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

The fear of what a man will do if tested will keep others away.

In some cases.... in others it might even lead to the death of the Man/husband.

Keeping Paramours apart is no easy task.

The length that great and powerful men and women have gone to accomplish this is the stuff of legends and myths both sublime and ridiculous.

 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

Again, rather than be emotional, a man is better off letting that woman go especially if she sends choosing signals to other men.

Agreed.

 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

Some women will be flattered by jealousy and insecurity right up until that man becomes aggressive and/or physical about it. All fun and games until somebody gets hurt.

Some women want to be hurt....it might just happen to be their love language.

 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

I know dudes who are either stretched out in the penitentiary or graveyard as a result of their jealousy and/or insecurity.

So do I....I know women too

 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

If the woman was not unalived by the ex-dude, guess what's she's doing with her snatchbox...sharing it with a free and alive dude.

Its hers to do with as she pleases

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Right. Jealousy and insecurity are not actions. May be motivation. Still, one has to be equipped to do something in order to obtain or acquire.

I've said this constantly.
Which is one of the reasons....I believe...we were given the emotions OF jealousy/envy to begin with.

 

An example of jealousy/envy being motivators is the relatively recent bodily transformation of SOME White people.

When I was a kid Black people were known to have the best bodies on the planets.
Not only were we generally stronger and healthier, Black women were known to have the biggest and nicest butts and Black men were known to have the biggest dicks.
This was indisputable and accepted across the board.

Some Black men....unwisely....were making songs and BRAGGING about how nice the Black woman's body was and how nice and big her butt was and deriding White women for being flat behind.
Niggas on the radio and on television making songs about it and making fun of White women...lol.

But something changed in the late 90s!

You started seeing more and more White girls walking around with round stuck out butts.
First here...then there...then Jennifer Lopez...then Britany Spears.
More and more you started seeing it until now in 2025, in the United States you see just as many White women walking around with big nice butts as Black women!

White folks didn't say much about it in public, but clearly many of them were insecure about their bodies and did SOMETHING to produce more shapely women.

 

 

 

 

 

In the absence of procreation, is a jealous or insecure man protecting or guarding a woman's womb or merely keeping other men away from her?

Either one is beneficial.
Even if she's barren, you don't want other men running up in it.

Even if the oven is out of order, you don't want others using it....lol.

 

 

"Man....who been up in here?"
 

 

 

 

 

 

They may seem to be flattered by it but the emotions of Jealousy and insecurity are really a turnoff to most women

 

You'd be surprised.

It depends on the culture.

I'm not sure about being insecure, but some women actually do find jealous men attractive.

Some African and Latina women....if you don't act jealous for them and be atleast a bit possessive when other men are around....they'll feel you don't value them.


 

 

 

Again, rather than be emotional, a man is better off letting that woman go especially if she sends choosing signals to other men.

This is a pretty "American" thing to do.
We can afford to just walk away and find another one because there are so many women to CHOOSE from here in America.
However this is NOT the case through out most of the world, because the cultures don't allow for free sex and hooking up with different women on the regular.
Because of that, men generally HAVE TO be more possessive of the woman they have because of they lose THAT one there is no telling how long it will be before another one is ARRANGED for him....if ever at all.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

frankster

 

 

He is Defending her Honor...often for her to speak to a stranger with out a male family member present or approval can be construed as as a Violation of her Honor..

Such a violation can lead to her demise.

True.
And this concept was relatively new to us in the United States back in the 70s and early 80s.

I used to hear older Black folks say,
"Man them A-rabs....don't fuck with them A-rab women....their husband will cut their head off for talking to you."

It was a JOKE among us, before we realized how real it was.

 

 

Often these women are not allow to go of the house without a male family member accompanying them....such actions again can be construed as a Violation of the Honor Code

I can actually take you back to the beginning where this whole "honor killing" thing started.


 

It is their culture....in order to keep their women chaste.

 

....that, and keeping them away for Black men.
 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

An example of jealousy/envy being motivators is the relatively recent bodily transformation of SOME White people.

 White folks didn't say much about it in public, but clearly many of them were insecure about their bodies and did SOMETHING to produce more shapely women.

White people are not jealous or insecure of Black folks for any reason.  They have been conditioned to believe they are superior to us hence white supremacy. 

 

White people will do whatever it takes to maintain power and_or make money. They will transform themselves physically in order to attract, manipulate and dominate  non-white folks. 

 

Look no further than how Kanye West has been manipulated by white folks. He is a modern example of how Black men are buck broken.

 

No shortage of Black athletes and entertainers and others have been hoodwinked, bamboozled, led astray and run amok by shape-shifting, code-switching white folks.

 

The easiest way to for white folks to trick Black folks is with s8x and money. 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Either one is beneficial.

Even if she's barren, you don't want other men running up in it.

Even if the oven is out of order, you don't want others using it....lol.

It is petty for a man to gatekeeper ovens he cannot afford to maintain himself. 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'm not sure about being insecure, but some women actually do find jealous men attractive.

Some African and Latina women....if you don't act jealous for them and be atleast a bit possessive when other men are around....they'll feel you don't value them.

Sure. Some women will be flattered by it until that man goes upside her head.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

This is a pretty "American" thing to do.
We can afford to just walk away and find another one because there are so many women to CHOOSE from here in America.

However this is NOT the case through out most of the world, because the cultures don't allow for free sex and hooking up with different women on the regular.

 

Because of that, men generally HAVE TO be more possessive of the woman they have because of they lose THAT one there is no telling how long it will be before another one is ARRANGED for him....if ever at all.

Even in other cultures, the strongest men can have several women.

 

A man with less currency (money, power, respect, etc.) has fewer choices. That could lead to jealousy, insecurity and gatekeeping the one bird he can catch and/or was provided to him.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD



White people are not jealous or insecure of Black folks for any reason. They have been conditioned to believe they are superior to us hence white supremacy.

They believe they are INTELLECTUALLY superior to others.
*And if we compare them AS A GROUP with us as a group....I'm not going to fight them tooth and nail over that belief UNTIL we as a people start proving otherwise.

However they KNOW that we are superior in many other ways, including sexually superior and genetically superior.

 

 

 

 

 

The easiest way to for white folks to trick Black folks is with s8x and money.

Don't forget religion.
That doesn't work as easily as it used to though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is petty for a man to gatekeeper ovens he cannot afford to maintain himself.

I think on a smaller more individual scale, the average man CAN maintain his woman or atleast keep her satisfied....if he so wishes to.

Much of it is pride and ego.
Whether you can maintain her or not...that's YOUR woman as far as her being linked to you sexually.
You don't want other men feeling that they can freely run up and snatch that coochie anytime they feel like.

That's like violating you personally.

Now you'll be labeled as....what they'd call in South Central L.A....a "mark".

 

 

 

"Oooooh....he one of them MARK ASS niggaz"

 

 

Even in other cultures, the strongest men can have several women.

I'm not talking about by FORCE.

Like a bunch of Arabs riding around Sudan on the back of trucks with AK's going from village to village raping women.

I'm talking about healthy social interaction that ATTRACTS women and keeps them in their social role naturally.
That's not very easy to come by outside of the West.

 

 

 

 

 

A man with less currency (money, power, respect, etc.) has fewer choices. That could lead to jealousy, insecurity and gatekeeping the one bird he can catch and/or was provided to him.

 

You're right.
But that doesn't dismiss or challenges my point...it pretty much EXPLAINS it.

[ProfD]

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

However they KNOW that we are superior in many other ways, including sexually superior and genetically superior.

Superiority in those areas does not lead to power and money though. At least, it hasn't worked on white folks yet.

 

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Don't forget religion.
That doesn't work as easily as it used to though.

Religion still works well enough. No shortage of churches and rich pastors and Gospel singers.

 

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Much of it is pride and ego.

Whether you can maintain her or not...that's YOUR woman as far as her being linked to you sexually.

Believing another person is a possession is fools gold.

 

That woman isn't *yours* as a possession anymore than she was to the last man and the next one. Not quite like buying a used car.

 

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You don't want other men feeling that they can freely run up and snatch that coochie anytime they feel like.

That's like violating you personally.

Very few people want to share the person with whom they're intimate. Funny thing is they don't seem to care who came before or after them. 

 

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Even in other cultures, the strongest men can have several women.

I'm not talking about by FORCE.

I wasn't referring to physical strength and/or over-powering women by force.

 

My definition of strong men is those who have some combination of good looks, intelligence, charm, charisma, money, power and respect.

 

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'm talking about healthy social interaction that ATTRACTS women and keeps them in their social role naturally.
That's not very easy to come by outside of the West.

That's what I wss referring to above as characteristics of strong men.

 

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

A man with less currency (money, power, respect, etc.) has fewer choices. That could lead to jealousy, insecurity and gatekeeping the one bird he can catch and/or was provided to him.

 

You're right.
But that doesn't dismiss or challenges my point...it pretty much EXPLAINS it.

As I've pointed out to brotha Rich...my dialog is never intended to dismiss or challenge or convince anyone else.

 

I'm just providing content to the discussion. Keeps the subjects interesting around here...to some of us. Our sista gets bored easily.

[Troy]

18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Black men were known to have the biggest dicks.
This was indisputable and accepted across the board.

This is a stereotype. Who has measured penis girth and length and categorized this by so called race across a statistically significant number of men for you to justify making this statement. Similar issue with your proclamations for women’s butts.

 

[Pioneer1]

11 hours ago, Troy said:

This is a stereotype. Who has measured penis girth and length and categorized this by so called race across a statistically significant number of men for you to justify making this statement. Similar issue with your proclamations for women’s butts.

Neither one is a stereotype but PROVEN FACTS.

The first one has been scientifically proven over and over again for decades THROUGH measurement but has been well known for centuries if not longer.
The second one is a fact not only provable but EASILY OBSERVABLE....lol.  *

Does someone have to actually present a scientific report to you to prove that on average Black women tend to have bigger and rounder butts than White women?

*The first also would be easily observable if humans were walking around naked...lol.

[ProfD]

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Neither one is a stereotype but PROVEN FACTS.

The first one has been scientifically proven over and over again for decades THROUGH measurement but has been well known for centuries if not longer.

That would be hilarious if there is a d*ck data scientific report floating around. 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The second one is a fact not only provable but EASILY OBSERVABLE....lol.  

Does someone have to actually present a scientific report to you to prove that on average Black women tend to have bigger and rounder butts than White women?

I wonder how much money it pays to observe women azz all day.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

That would be hilarious if there is a d*ck data scientific report floating around

Anybody interested can Google the subject and find data confirming this within 10 minutes.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/penis-size-by-country 

They usually don't come right out and say it.
Admittedly, most reports will say there is NO correlation between race/ethnicity but the ones that do almost always say Black or African men on average measured as the longest.  

Often times they'll claim the data is "inconclusive".....lol.
Which I find very funny.
Funny how when it comes to information that makes White men look good, it's not a "myth" and there is little obscurity on the data.
They'll teach it in the school text books.
But when it comes to something that makes YOU look good, it becomes a myth, a stereotype, a mystery....lol.
 

 

 

 

I wonder how much money it pays to observe women azz all day

I'm not sure, but any man who has to be PAID to look at women's asses all day is a little "suspect"....lol.
If you know what I mean

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Anybody interested can Google the subject and find data confirming this within 10 minutes.

Right. The real question is who would be interested in and/or need that kind of information.

 

Maybe condom manufacturers need a d*ck data report to insure they are not under-serving the community.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I wonder how much money it pays to observe women azz all day

I'm not sure, but any man who has to be PAID to look at women's asses all day is a little "suspect"....lol.
If you know what I mean

Sure. Observing women azz is something us older dudes have done for decades for FREE.

 

However, with AI coming down the pike, I'm just wondering if these younger dudes can monetize azz watching by generating scientific reports. That's a job AI cannot do...yet.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

I don't know of too many adult men who wouldn't take pride in the IMAGE that they may have a big dick.
Whether they actually have one or not, that IMAGE is something most men would be proud of.
They wouldn't fight against it.

Kind of like how most Latino men are proud to be known as the most macho...even if they personally aren't.
Or how most Italian men are proud to be known as being tough....even if they personally aren't.

When I was a kid Black men used to take pride in "swinging low"....lol.

But today it seems like so many AfroAmerican men have been beat down and shamed by this society that they are afraid to express any sort of pride in THEIR sexuality.
They have to hide it, or pretend it doesn't exist in order to not appear threatening or piss off people who aren't going to like them anyway.

Down playing the size of the Black man's dick isn't going to get us any further in this society than down playing how much money we make or how much wealth we've earned.

 

 

 

Maybe condom manufacturers need a d*ck data report to insure they are not under-serving the community

Magnums obviously exist for a reason...lol.

 

[ProfD]

19 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Whether they actually have one or not, that IMAGE is something most men would be proud of.

They wouldn't fight against it.

Confident men don't brag or boast about their manhood or toughness or bank account balance. Those who need to know will find out.

 

19 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

When I was a kid Black men used to take pride in "swinging low"....lol.

They were usually broke too.

 

19 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

But today it seems like so many AfroAmerican men have been beat down and shamed by this society that they are afraid to express any sort of pride in THEIR sexuality.

 

They have to hide it, or pretend it doesn't exist in order to not appear threatening or piss off people who aren't going to like them anyway.

Hyper-fixation on manhood and/or s8xual  prowess is considered juvenile.

 

19 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Down playing the size of the Blackman's dick isn't going to get us any further in this society than down playing how much money we make or how much wealth we've earned.

Most men have a d*ck. Not every man is capable of provision and protection which is the thing women most desire.

 

19 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Maybe condom manufacturers need a d*ck data report to insure they are not under-serving the community

Magnums obviously exist for a reason...lol.

Makes sense from a money-making perspective especially if men feel better about themselves.

[Pioneer1]

 

ProfD

 

Confident men don't brag or boast about their manhood or toughness or bank account balance. Those who need to know will find out.

The same thing can be said about a Black man's criminal record.
Yet the racists in society have no problem advertising that and making it public knowledge.

I understand what you're saying, but we're not living in a society that gives men the benefit of the doubt.
Most women don't judge men logically or look at them with a blank slate UNTIL all of the fact come out.
They often judge them by stereotypes and assumptions.
Having a good or positive stereotype or assumption works to your advantage.
 

 

 

They were usually broke too.

Actually no.
None of them were broke.
Some of them were alcoholic and had other dysfunctions but none of the Black men I grew up around in my family or neighborhood were broke.
Most of them had good paying working class jobs.
Most of them came from down South where....again...it was well known and understood that Black men were well endowed.
 

 

 

 

Hyper-fixation on manhood and/or s8xual prowess is considered juvenile.

-Hyper-fixation
-considered juvenile.

Because of these 2 key phrases in your statement...I agree with it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most men have a d*ck. Not every man is capable of provision and protection which is the thing women most desire.

A dick IS the thing some women most desire.
Not all, but some.

We've talked about this before, but for a woman who is making her own money and providing for herself...she doesn't need a man to do things things for her.
Some women...ALL they want is a man who can throw down in the bedroom...lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Makes sense from a money-making perspective especially if men feel better about themselves.

The same argument can be made for drugs and alcohol.
There is big money in making people feel better.

[ProfD]

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

The same thing can be said about a Black man's criminal record.

Yet the racists in society have no problem advertising that and making it public knowledge.

Of course, the system of racism white supremacy will use everything it can against the Black man.

 

None of our positive atrributes changes out net overall position under the same system.

 

It's not like white folks are gonna say...oh wow...let's give this big d*ck n8gga a billion dollars.

 

 

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Most women don't judge men logically or look at them with a blank slate UNTIL all of the fact come out. They often judge them by stereotypes and assumptions.
Having a good or positive stereotype or assumption works to your advantage.

A man should not spend too much time with women who judge him. Kicking it with women who are naturally attracted is less stressful.

 

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

They were usually broke too.

Actually no.
None of them were broke.
Some of them were alcoholic and had other dysfunctions but none of the Black men I grew up around in my family or neighborhood were broke.
Most of them had good paying working class jobs.

Gotcha. It was a mix where I grew.

 

Some dudes had good paying jobs. Their unemployed, broke *friends* met them at the liquor store after they got from work with plastic cup in hand waiting to get a hit off the bottle.

 

Those were the days though. We didn't have a whole lot. Shelter, clothing, food, music, laughter, etc.  Fun times.

 

I know NF Jr. had issues with Black folks too much fun.

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

We've talked about this before, but for a woman who is making her own money and providing for herself...she doesn't need a man to do things things for her.
Some women...ALL they want is a man who can throw down in the bedroom...lol.

Sure. Some women will settle for a man who can blow her back out.

 

Even if she doesn't need his money or protection, women prefer men who can take care of themselves.

 

That broke dude who f8cks well becomes less attractive and desirable  to a woman especially if he's needy or unambitious or lacks motivation. 

 

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Makes sense from a money-making perspective especially if men feel better about themselves.

The same argument can be made for drugs and alcohol.
There is big money in making people feel better.

Right. Black folks should own the condom, alcohol and drug manufacturing and distribution companies among others.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD
 

 

None of our positive atrributes changes out net overall position under the same system.
It's not like white folks are gonna say...oh wow...let's give this big d*ck n8gga a billion dollars

 

The purpose of a brutha with a big dick making it well known is usually NOT necessarily to fair well within this system but to:

1. Use that attribute to impress women and get access to more trim
   OR
2. Advertise his qualification as a big time star in the porn industry....
   Along with being able to ejaculate on cue.....lol.

That's not an attribute you display to get a job in corporate America or a role on Sesame Street...lol.

 

 

 

 

A man should not spend too much time with women who judge him.

 

Oh.
You want men to be HERMITS then, lol.
 

 

 

 

Kicking it with women who are naturally attracted is less stressful.

As I said, some women are naturally attracted to men with big dicks....so letting her know THAT fact alone known will make her like you naturally if nothing else.
But if you hide it or try to play "Mr. Humble" as this society would have you do, there's a small chance she'd ever know.

It's like trying to attract a gold digger.

Most men don't like gold diggers but if you run into one you DO like....and you got money....then flossing your wealth is the logical way to attract her.

Same thing with this.....

If you're fortunate enough to be packing a "third leg"...lol...and the woman you like happens to like that...then making this known works to your advantage.

 

 

 

 

Gotcha. It was a mix where I grew.

Some dudes had good paying jobs. Their unemployed, broke *friends* met them at the liquor store after they got from work with plastic cup in hand waiting to get a hit off the bottle.

We KNEW OF broke dudes and criminals and gangsters both in the family as well as people we just knew, but they almost all resided in other parts of town.
Not in this particular neighborhood I grew up in, because it was mostly Black and working class.
Many of the adults and kids would dread when the ghetto acting Black folks would come to parties or family get-togethers in my neighborhood because they often brought drama with them like beating up the neighborhood kids and taking their bikes or macking on the wives of the men in our neighborhood and even breaking in the homes sometimes.

You knew YOUR family and friends but your neighbors didn't.
And often times YOUR family would be cool around YOU at YOUR home but would be their typical trifling ratchet ghetto ass self with your neighbors...lol.

 

 

 

 

Those were the days though. We didn't have a whole lot. Shelter, clothing, food, music, laughter, etc. Fun times.

Things were more simple and it seems easier to figure out.
There was certainly more Black love and less confusion, but the foolishness was already starting.
 

I remember seeing some dark skinned well shaped sistas as a kid who used to wear their hair naturally.
The older men would comment on how fine they were and whistle at them and flirt with them, but the boys around my age would scratch their heads and consider them unattractive.  Especially with their hair like that.

This was the time of Vanity, Vanessa Williams, Jane Kennedy, Dianne Carroll...and other light skinned women were being pushed.

It was starting to have an effect.

 

 

 

 

 

Even if she doesn't need his money or protection, women prefer men who can take care of themselves.

That broke dude who f8cks well becomes less attractive and desirable to a woman especially if he's needy or unambitious or lacks motivation.

That's a fact that I won't argue with.
It goes a little something like this....

Most women want a man who can protect and provide for them, yes.

Fewer...but a definite number....want a man JUST for sex...because she can provide for and THINKS she can protect herself.
As long as he has his own money, place, and can take care of himself and ain't asking her for shit.

But an even FEWER...but a definite number....want a man just for sex and is willing to provide FOR HIM in exchange!
They are a tiny minority but they do exist.

 

 

 

Black folks should own the condom, alcohol and drug manufacturing and distribution companies among others.

Absolutely.
Maybe if Black folks owned the condom factories you'd have less "mysterious" pregnancies that often occur DESPITE the fact that a condom was used....lol.

I don't want to believe that they are deliberately making some condoms with little microscopic holes in them designed for them to have a failure rate.

[Troy]

On 11/28/2025 at 12:41 PM, Pioneer1 said:

The second one is a fact not only provable but EASILY OBSERVABLE....lol.

Just how many penises have you sized up over the years?
 

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Admittedly, most reports will say there is NO correlation between race/ethnicity

So why “contradick” this and insist that there is one? Your “reasoning” never ceases to astonish me.

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Down playing the size of the Black man's dick isn't going to get us any further in this society than down playing how much money we make or how much wealth we've earned.

Shooting down the myth that’s so-called Black people have the biggest dicks is not disparaging black men. It is interesting. You take so much pride in this myth. If you are packing 10+ inches. and that is important to you. Take pride in that you don’t have to perpetrate a myth. Black people have plenty of actual and meaningful accomplishments to be proud of couldn’t be the mothers and fathers of civilization — indeed humanity.

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Magnums obviously exist for a reason...lol.

Yes, they are marketed to people ego think like you.

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

Hyper-fixation on manhood and/or s8xual  prowess is considered juvenile.

 

Of course it is.

 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

 

Troy JOHNSON


Just how many penises have you sized up over the years?

Well.....
You were an athlete in high school and college so I'm guessing not NEARLY as many as you probably have, lol.

 

 

 

So why “contradick” this and insist that there is one? Your “reasoning” never ceases to astonish me.

It's not a contraDICKtion, just more CUNCONText.....lol.

An acknowledgement of how skewed the information is often presented.
There are plenty of reports on the size penis by race that acknowledge that Black men are king, but there are many more that say race doesn't matter or that the data is inconclusive.
This is done deliberately to obscure the facts or make them vague.
 

 

 

Shooting down the myth that’s so-called Black people have the biggest dicks is not disparaging black men. It is interesting. You take so much pride in this myth.

It's not a myth, it's a scientific fact.
And MOST Black men over 40 take pride in this fact...unless they've been shamed into not doing so.
 

 

Black people have plenty of actual and meaningful accomplishments to be proud of couldn’t be the mothers and fathers of civilization — indeed humanity.

Why can't Black people be proud of both?
Why must they hide their sexuality?

 

Mr. JOHNSON....lol.

[Troy]

lol! Yes the name speaks for itself. Braggadocio is unnecessary.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

You were an athlete in high school and college so I'm guessing not NEARLY as many as you probably have, lol.

Dude, the only erect penis I’ve ever seen is mine. Besides an locker room I’m not trying to look at another brother’s joint.

 

were you that guy peeping over the urinal checking out my package the last time I was in Detroit?
 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

It's not a myth, it's a scientific fact.

It is impossible for it to be a scientific fact. Just repeating it doesn’t make it so even the report you shared indicated this.

 

This was not a peer reviewed study that you shared if you look at some of the peer reviewed studies they reflect how problematic it is collecting the data and drawing meaningful conclusions.

 

One interesting thing I read is that folks with high BMI’s tend to have shorter penises because of the pad of fat at the base in their pelvis.

 

 

[ProfD]

13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

That's not an attribute you display to get a job in corporate America or a role on Sesame Street...lol.

A man needs money In order to survive within this system.

 

Instead of admiring his manhood, that time and energy would be better spent figuring out how to secure a bag.

 

13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

A man should not spend too much time with women who judge him.

 

Oh.
You want men to be HERMITS then, lol.

Not at all. The laws of mutual attraction still work.

 

If a man is unattractive, he needs to figure out and correct it.

 

13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But if you hide it or try to play "Mr. Humble" as this society would have you do, there's a small chance she'd ever know.

IMost men don't like gold diggers but if you run into one you DO like....and you got money....then flossing your wealth is the logical way to attract her.

Men don't have to *trick* or simp in order to get a woman.

 

The problem is that some men want women who aren't attracted to them.

 

13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Fewer...but a definite number....want a man JUST for sex...because she can provide for and THINKS she can protect herself.

No doubt. Women are entitled to roll that way.

13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But an even FEWER...but a definite number....want a man just for sex and is willing to provide FOR HIM in exchange!
They are a tiny minority but they do exist.

Absolutely. They're also entitled to roll that way too.

 

 

13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Black folks should own the condom, alcohol and drug manufacturing and distribution companies among others.

Absolutely.
Maybe if Black folks owned the condom factories you'd have less "mysterious" pregnancies that often occur DESPITE the fact that a condom was used....lol.

I don't want to believe that they are deliberately making some condoms with little microscopic holes in them designed for them to have a failure rate.

As I mentioned in the food thread, owning the process is the only way to insure quality control.

 

Depending on others is a gamble. 

[Pioneer1]

 

 

Troy

You start talking about your manz and all of a sudden  @aka Contrarian gets interested in the conversation.
I see she liked loved your post...lol.
 

 

 

were you that guy peeping over the urinal checking out my package the last time I was in Detroit?

Lol...no, are you trying to get "in touch" with him or something????

 

 

 

 

 

ProfD

 

Instead of admiring his manhood, that time and energy would be better spent figuring out how to secure a bag.

Perhaps his manhood is what he's RELYING ON to keep a roof over his head, food, and clothes provided by the woman or women he's serving.

He's practicing EMERGENCY compensatory behavior.

 

 

 

If a man is unattractive, he needs to figure out and correct it.

Some men can, some men can't.
Some men KNOW why they're unattractive but can't do anything about it.
 

 

 

 

The problem is that some men want women who aren't attracted to them.

 

I would say MOST men fall under that category.
Not that all of the women they want don't want them, but certainly SOME of the women most men want don't want them.

 

 

 

 

As I mentioned in the food thread, owning the process is the only way to insure quality control.

Facts.

And even when you own it, you need to hire QUALIFIED people to run your business.
Not your cousin who has 7 kids and needs a job to get away from her abusive baby daddy that she's adDICKted too...lol.

Or your crazy ass brother-n-law who just got out of jail for armed robbery and needs a job....lol.

 

"Come on man...you already know who I am.
I don't see why I need an interview."
 

 

[ProfD]

47 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Instead of admiring his manhood, that time and energy would be better spent figuring out how to secure a bag.

Perhaps his manhood is what he's RELYING ON to keep a roof over his head, food, and clothes provided by the woman or women he's serving.

He's practicing EMERGENCY compensatory behavior.

Sure. Some men will use women to survive:

 

 

 

No different from women using men.

 

47 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

The problem is that some men want women who aren't attracted to them.

 

I would say MOST men fall under that category.
Not that all of the women they want don't want them, but certainly SOME of the women most men want don't want them.

Being able to quickly recognize and accept when a woman isn't interested makes it easier to keep it moving and spend that time, energy and resources on a real one.

 

47 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

And even when you own it, you need to hire QUALIFIED people to run your business.

Not your cousin who has 7 kids and needs a job to get away from her abusive baby daddy that she's adDICKted too...lol.

Or your crazy ass brother-n-law who just got out of jail for armed robbery and needs a job....lol.

Hiring unqualified people is the best way to insure a business runs into the ground.

 

For good reason, I've got family members who don't know where I live.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD
 

28 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Being able to quickly recognize and accept when a woman isn't interested makes it easier to keep it moving and spend that time, energy and resources on a real one.

There's a difference between a woman being attracted to you and interested in you.
They are similar...but not exactly the same.

You can be rather unattractive as a man, but if she wants you for your money or to get a job you may be managing....she will be INTERESTED in you....lol.

[ProfD]

29 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

There's a difference between a woman being attracted to you and interested in you.
They are similar...but not exactly the same.

You can be rather unattractive as a man, but if she wants you for your money or to get a job you may be managing....she will be INTERESTED in you....lol.

Right. The man who recognizes the difference between attraction and interest and accepts it won't be under any illusion or unnecessary confusion.

 

Move according to the same energy and vibe that woman is giving off. Good money.

[Pioneer1]

It really depends on the man too and what he's looking for.

I'm the type of man who wants a woman to actually be ATTRACTED to me if she's interested.
Some men only want sexual pleasure from a woman, so basically "bribing" her with money or favors in exchange for sex even if it's clear she doesn't find him attractive....is good enough for them.
It's just physical for them.

If the woman is attractive enough, I may offer favors to INITIATE a mutual attraction by getting her interested.
However if I don't see any attraction from her and she looks as is she's being with me RELUCTANTLY....I pull back and move on.

But like you said, I can usually spot that early on.