Black owned online social media websites future, what is their future?

[richardmurray]

I still believe every single black person online should be a member of at  least one black owned website online. But what is their overall future. When you have so many black people who suggest such a grand business acumen or knowledge of playing the game, or suggest such great foresight plus intellect with their licenses and degrees from various places of education, why haven't said blacks been able to buy and produce great social media websites? 

 

[ProfD]

7 hours ago, richardmurray said:

When you have so many black people who suggest such a grand business acumen or knowledge of playing the game, or suggest such great foresight plus intellect with their licenses and degrees from various places of education, why haven't said blacks been able to buy and produce great social media websites? 

Producing a Black-owned social media website is relatively easy. Getting Black foks to use it is the bigger challenge.

[Pioneer1]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Producing a Black-owned social media website is relatively easy. Getting Black foks to use it is the bigger challenge.

I've said time and time again that one of the problems a lot of our people...especially a lot of women....have with this site is that there is too much personal freedom to post and say what you like with very little moderation.
Troy is very light handed when it comes to being a moderator.

Conventional wisdom would say that having the freedom to post your opinions freely is a good thing that would attract people by the thousands.
A true expression of freedom of speech and thought.

However because of the angry and vindictive nature of a lot of our people, this produces the opposite effect.

People like to be able to get you in trouble.
They like to get your posts deleted or even get you blocked/banned if you say something they don't like.
You see it all over social media where you come on a channel or show and you say something the crowd doesn't like or agree with....instead of ignoring you or tolerating you....they alert the moderators and tell them to block or ban you.
It's the culture now.
A culture of intolerance.

Those same people get mad as hell for being blocked for expressing THEIR opinion on a matter, but they'll then turn around and insist that it's fair and demand the same punishment for other of a differing opinion.
This is the very juvenile and extreme thinking of a lot of people.

So a site where they can't run and tattle tale to a mod or point the finger at somebody and make them vanish isn't very attractive to them.

Some of the things you and I have said on this site....we would have been banned our first WEEK on Lipstick Alley, lol.


Plus....let's keep it real.....

A lot of our people don't like sites where Black men are in charge.
Going back to our sistaz again.
Some of our sistaz don't like spaces where the ultimate authority is a Black man.
They'll accept it from a White man or even another Black woman, but the idea of a Black man holding power over what goes on or who goes and who stays....they don't like.

I've known some who didn't want to even WORK for a Black man.
Nearly all of them had daddy issues.
But the very idea that a Black man signed their pay check and told them what to do and could punish them, they didn't like at all.
They were so used to dissing Black men growing up and telling them to kiss their ass....for a brutha to have that type of authority didn't sit well with them.

I know what I'm saying may sound extra, but it's the real deal when it comes to why the traffic on this and other Black ran sites are often light.

[Troy]

There is a myriad of reason why Black social sites don't succeed. 

• No funding
• No media coverage
• The algorithms are against Black social sites -- other sites period
• Search marginalizes Black social sites
• In ability to garner a critical mass (people even Black people want to be where everyone else is)
• Governments allow monopolies to emerge

That said I'd argue any Black social site can be very successful - even this one if folks posed (versus lurking). 

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

Producing a Black-owned social media website is relatively easy. Getting Black foks to use it is the bigger challenge.

really? 

monthly rent for hosting data, data transmisions, cost more than a dollar? if the site becomes popular you have to support that popularity with more expensive backend.

the likes of facebook and tiktok have huge silos or network systems all over the world to simulate instantaneous use, that is easy? the money to get that is easy? 

ok, i don't think it is easy at all. 

And, considering how many websites have failed

@Troy what percent of websites have succeeded that have been made since the 1990s in the internet? I say less than one hundreth of a percent.  I think that proves getting anyone to use a website is a challenge. Which makes sense to me. A website has to have a function. Tiktok does short videos. youtube does long videos. twitter does bylines. facebook is where whole clans are connected online. instagram does photos. google is a search engine. Each major website serves a strict function. yes, you have niche players, like a tumblr/aalbc/deviantart that all serve specific or more detailed functions. yahoo search is still active. but I think most websites are failures so I don't see why most black websites being failures is anamolistic? 

 

@Pioneer1

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I've said time and time again that one of the problems a lot of our people...especially a lot of women....have with this site is that there is too much personal freedom to post and say what you like with very little moderation.
Troy is very light handed when it comes to being a moderator.

Conventional wisdom would say that having the freedom to post your opinions freely is a good thing that would attract people by the thousands.
A true expression of freedom of speech and thought.

However because of the angry and vindictive nature of a lot of our people, this produces the opposite effect.

People like to be able to get you in trouble.
They like to get your posts deleted or even get you blocked/banned if you say something they don't like.
You see it all over social media where you come on a channel or show and you say something the crowd doesn't like or agree with....instead of ignoring you or tolerating you....they alert the moderators and tell them to block or ban you.
It's the culture now.
A culture of intolerance.

Those same people get mad as hell for being blocked for expressing THEIR opinion on a matter, but they'll then turn around and insist that it's fair and demand the same punishment for other of a differing opinion.
This is the very juvenile and extreme thinking of a lot of people.

So a site where they can't run and tattle tale to a mod or point the finger at somebody and make them vanish isn't very attractive to them.

Some of the things you and I have said on this site....we would have been banned our first WEEK on Lipstick Alley, lol.


Plus....let's keep it real.....

A lot of our people don't like sites where Black men are in charge.
Going back to our sistaz again.
Some of our sistaz don't like spaces where the ultimate authority is a Black man.
They'll accept it from a White man or even another Black woman, but the idea of a Black man holding power over what goes on or who goes and who stays....they don't like.

I've known some who didn't want to even WORK for a Black man.
Nearly all of them had daddy issues.
But the very idea that a Black man signed their pay check and told them what to do and could punish them, they didn't like at all.
They were so used to dissing Black men growing up and telling them to kiss their ass....for a brutha to have that type of authority didn't sit well with them.

I know what I'm saying may sound extra, but it's the real deal when it comes to why the traffic on this and other Black ran sites are often light.

 

I am paraphrasing the mariner from the film waterworld, "I have traveled farther than most online and I have never seen a websites failure based on anything but its effectiveness" 

In my travels, I have seen a number of chinese websites fail, japanese websites fail, french websites fail, brasilian websites fail. usa websites fail.  What they each have in common is not some demographic group hurting them, but each failed or has failures or has become niche because the function they served another website served better or more robustly. 

When I look at black owned websites online.

 

First and foremost I can't recall one black owned website that had a technological edge or focus. 

Youtube emphasized videos. Tiktok short videos. Google search. Neither was the first to do it. Other websites before youtube did videos but they didn't emphasize the technology, the investment was small, it was more toy than function. Tiktok the same. youtube literally did a short video service three years before tiktok, it failed and youtube shut it. Now youtube has shorts in response to tiktok, but what is the point. Tiktok invested in short video in a scale that gave it an edge or focus. Google wasn't the first search engine but again they focused on it, gave it an edge that others didn't. When I look at Yahoo for example, which started as a web directory. Yahoo's great flaw  in their financial history was that they gave up on web directories. they assumed falsely, that the growth of the internet would make a directory unfeasible but I think they were wrong. I argue the internet could use a great web directory. And then yahoo led in email but again, didn't implement email's better over time. 

Blackplanet never had a technological edge, its whole selling point was a place for black people but it didn't offer a technological edge. So most black people looking to make videos went to youtube. Wanting a search used google. Sharing photos on the phones used instagram. 

Chatgpt, right? it is the llm use. Technological edge first and foremost leads people to anywebsite and for all the black engineers who are lauded in media for graduating from MIT or working for Goldman Sachs , I don't see any of them with any websites ideas. 

And yes, tech cost money on the backend, but again, this isn't 1926, 2000 wasn't 1900, some black people were billionaires so....no excuse.

AALBC doesn't have a technological tool that isn't present anywhere else, if it did, that would help. 

 

Second, when I look at the internet and websites that are communally driven, most work because the culture of the particular peoples is out the sphere of anglo media. Meaning what? Overdrive was supposed to be France's answer to the social media, but most people in france went to facebook/instagram/twitter? why? is it because white people in france don't like themselves. No, it is , because the way they communicate wasn't different enough, their culture wasn't different enough than what was offered in anglo media.  Black owned websites offer the same reality. Black people's culture or communication fits well enough in the anglo websites to exist. But if you are japanese/chinese who tend to have cultural websites because they have cultures/communication that doesn't fit the anglo internet as well. India doesn't have one major website, and how many firms in the usa have indians all through them? why. because indians are usually anglophiles, who culturally fit well into anglo media. Indian or French websites aren't being hindered by the women in their community , their online populace simply fits well enough in anglo websites and it makes all of their websites niche, like aalbc. I have tried to find a black populace that needs an outlet, that would help aalbc to serve a particular black populace. 

 

Third, userbases, Cristiano ronaldo is the most followed person online, he gets paid by websites for his presence. And why do the websites pay, because his presence brings users, and the greater the userbase, the greater the ad revenue, the greater the userbase, the greater the views to posts in general. AALBC hosts black authors, who are barely in the forum. If Troy paid them they would be more, as in the big websites who pay millions to people like barrack obama to be active on their websites, which helps their userbase. Now, AALBC as a niche website doesn't have to do that. But that is the reality. Tiktok/Facebook/Instagram/Youtube/twitter/even schrumpfs truth social  all have big users who attract casual users. That is reality. It is uneven to ask AALBC or specifically Troy to pay people to engage. And you see this all over the internet. It isn't something rare.  So, the userbase of AALBC absent attractors has limits of growth.If Beyonce+ Oprah+Neymar + Paul Kagame were on AALBC, I think this website would have a huge increase in usage. 

 

So, I don't see any blame in black women for AALBC's usage or lack thereof. I commend Troy for maintaining this large rent. As most people who own a restaurant will tell you, I am not doing this for the money, I am doing this cause I love it. 

But if AALBC could find a technological edge. If aalbc could reach a particular black populace whose culture was away from the anglophone, and needed particular attention. if AALBC could afford to pay for big attractors. That would change the volume, not necessarily quality, of activity on the website in a positive way. 

 

@Troy 

Interesting, how pervasive is lurking online? I see in discord many talk of lurkers. how many lurk online?

 

[ProfD]

7 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

really? 

monthly rent for hosting data, data transmisions, cost more than a dollar? if the site becomes popular you have to support that popularity with more expensive backend.

the likes of facebook and tiktok have huge silos or network systems all over the world to simulate instantaneous use, that is easy? the money to get that is easy? 

ok, i don't think it is easy at all. 

F*cebook was started by a teenager in a college dormitory.

 

M*crosoft was started by a college dropout.

 

Apple was started by a marketing wizard & his friend who was a wiz with electronics.

 

Y*hoo & G**gle were started by nerds in silicon valley.

 

Sure, these companies have grown into sprawling behemoths but they came from the proverbial mustard seed.

 

IMO, Black folks have the aptitude to invent things. Too few lack the entrepreneurial spirit. Seems easier to trade labor for wages.

[Pioneer1]

richardmurray

Lol....man, what do you do for a living?
What is your profession?

[Troy]

15 hours ago, richardmurray said:

 

Interesting, how pervasive is lurking online? I see in discord many talk of lurkers. how many lurk online?

 

90% of social media visitors are lurkers.  It is probably higher than that on some platforms.  How many of you actually created TicTok or YouTube video for the public but have used the platform.  The number of lurkers here is probably higher than 90% because of some very popular posts generate a lot of traffic. 

 

[Pioneer1]

I'd be interested to know the demographics of the lurkers.....lol.

[Troy]

40% bot
40% Male

19.9% Female

0.1% Non-binary

 

 

 

 

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

16 hours ago, ProfD said:

F*cebook was started by a teenager in a college dormitory.

 

M*crosoft was started by a college dropout.

 

Apple was started by a marketing wizard & his friend who was a wiz with electronics.

 

Y*hoo & G**gle were started by nerds in silicon valley.

 

Sure, these companies have grown into sprawling behemoths but they came from the proverbial mustard seed.

 

IMO, Black folks have the aptitude to invent things. Too few lack the entrepreneurial spirit. Seems easier to trade labor for wages.

Filo + Musk who started yahoo are the only ones from truly financially humble beginnings. And, to be even, they got lucky. Again, less than 1% of all websites failed. So, the entrepreneurial spirit you are talking about failed many non blacks. so.. your argument on the whole is unfounded but... I continue

 

Zuckerburgs father offered his son a mcdonald's franchise , how many black parents can do that or euqivalent for their children? please don't say it is common for black parents to offer the next generation wealth. 

Gates parents have always been on the boards of big companies, how many black parents are on the boards of large companies while their children are in high school? please don't say it is common. And don't insult black history, again, black people have been blockaded from financial wealth by whites in the usa from1 492 to 1980 nearest holistically. 

Jobs father is from a fiscally wealthy syrian family. wozniak's father was an engineer for lockheed. Please don't say that they are financially common. 

Page and BRin for Google had well connected and well off parents. working as engineers for nasa or colleges in the usa. How many black engineers have not been accepted at Nasa? that had every single thing a white engineer did. Nasa is a great job for an engineer. You are connecting with big financial channels. 

All of them through their relatives or communities, many are white jews or have white jewish background which has a financial aspect to it, some are simply nepo babies, that have money or access to money, like Musk, who is also from a financialy wealth white clan. 

You mention entrepreneurial spirit but don't mention lack of fiscally capable parents. 

I know few black people have fiscally aiding black parents. I know that. 

it is interesting to me how so many black people in the usa accept white power or white advantage but then in assessing black people, blame ourselves as if the white people who are wealthiest in the usa, aren't assisted by white power or white advantage but simply have the entrepreneurial spirit. It is very imbalanced, or uneven thinking. 

 

@Pioneer1

I give blood to a blood bank, five times a day. 

 

@Troy 

50 minutes ago, Troy said:

90% of social media visitors are lurkers.  It is probably higher than that on some platforms.  How many of you actually created TicTok or YouTube video for the public but have used the platform.  The number of lurkers here is probably higher than 90% because of some very popular posts generate a lot of traffic. 

 

I have created youtube or tiktok videos to share my art, but I am not the biggest user of either platform. There are a few youtubers I like because they are informative or interesting in the arts. 

I like Mayowa's world cause she is a black natural haired woman who has insightful positions on black identity, accented cinema cause he makes great posts on asian cinema. I like shadversity cause they develop weapons and test them and have helped me think on weapons in my own stories. So i admit as an artist youtube has some great educational folk. 

 

What are your thoughts on what to do about lurkers? any ideas. I comprehend that bots have always been used to augment perceived activity on websites, from the early 1990s.  Thinking on it for a minute, from bots to paid real members of websites to now the llm identities, the children of the bots, so much activity online is augmented... two questions come to mind.

 

1)Of the facebooks/twitter/youtubes/google searches/netflix or other, how many of them used bots to augment their activity to appear positive? In my mind I begin to wonder, how many websites failed cause they didn't invest in bots, didn't invest in ways to augment popularity? If you augment popularity even if you aren't making money, maybe you can keep the investments running, especially in the dot com craze days, the earlier eras of the internet when money flowed to these bleeding firms. 

2) what activity online has the least lurkers? I comprehend if one is online it invites de facto lurking, at least the possibility.  I guess email, but I imagine you know, if not through experience through conference with others. 

3) should black owned websites invested in lurking more ? I remember when beyonce or jay-z had some media thing and it was found out it had a bunch of bots, but it seemed so late in the internet, like an old style bot drive that white people used ten years earlier?

 

[ProfD]

 

33 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

Again, less than 1% of all websites failed. So, the entrepreneurial spirit you are talking about failed many non blacks. so.. your argument on the whole is unfounded but... I continue

Newsflash...most businesses fail. It's part of the game.

 

The successful keep getting back up & trying again. 

33 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

how many black parents can do that or euqivalent for their children? please don't say it is common for black parents to offer the next generation wealth. 

 

...how many black parents are on the boards of large companies while their children are in high school? please don't say it is common.

Again, you're looking through a very small window.

 

Black folks collectively have enough wealth to invest in businesses including  social media platforms.

 

The *problem* is that Black folks do not encourage entrepreneurship & investment. Not in the same way that religion demands tithes & offerings.

 

33 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

And don't insult black history, again,..

Do not continue trying to tell me how to communicate.

 

My patience isn't that long before I become the most rude & insulting mf'er you could ever read.

 

33 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

black people have been blockaded from financial wealth by whites in the usa from1 492 to 1980 nearest holistically. 

No more excuses. Billions of dollars go through Black folks hands every year.

 

The question is what are we doing with the money. 

 

33 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

How many black engineers have not been accepted at Nasa?

How many engineering firms have Black folks started? 

 

No reason to wait on NASA or any other white entity to give them a job.

 

33 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

You mention entrepreneurial spirit but don't mention lack of fiscally capable parents. 

The village collectively could invest in its own people. 

 

33 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

I know few black people have fiscally aiding black parents. I know that. 

I don't believe you realize outside of New York there are a high number of successful Black people. 

 

33 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

it is interesting to me how so many black people in the usa accept white power or white advantage but then in assessing black people, blame ourselves as if the white people who are wealthiest in the usa, aren't assisted by white power or white advantage but simply have the entrepreneurial spirit. It is very imbalanced, or uneven thinking. 

Successful Black people see things from a different perspective.  One of the biggest challenges is getting our people to believe they can do better.

 

Understand that because I'm a successful FBA/AfroAmerican man of average intelligence, I believe other Black folks can do it too. Just a matter of putting in the work.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

3 minutes ago, ProfD said:

The successful keep getting back up & trying again. 

41 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

And had help, you never mention with the people you call financially successful, why do you always omit the help they got? 

What is that about?

4 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Black folks collectively have enough wealth to invest in businesses including  social media platforms.

 

really, again, i have done economic corners going through the labor numbers white people themselves state, most people in the usa aren't employed to live on their own without subsidy, and that is all demographics. And then you add the number of black people in prison, in institutions, in the military which isn't profitable. 

The numbers don't add up to the wealth you suggest the black populace in the usa has, let alone any populace. the white populace doesn't have the wealth suggested by media. it isn't there. 

The government gives people money , that isn't their wealth. If you need government subsidy to afford your life you don't have wealth.  

You and other blacks keep saying financial lies like this on our populace in the usa, I wonder what your agenda really is. Maybe your not black. 

8 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Do not continue trying to tell me how to communicate.

 

My patience isn't that long before I become the most rude & insulting mf'er you could ever read.

 

if you insult, i will call you out as an insulter. I will ask you stop insulting black history if you do it, every single time. I don't give strangers, which is what you are to me, demands. I don't know you. I am not trying to know you. We communicate online only. Now having said that, be the most rude now, you don't know me. so, it is no harm.

10 minutes ago, ProfD said:

No more excuses. Billions of dollars go through Black folks hands every year.

 

what billions? black prisoners are getting billions, from who? black people on welfare are getting billions, from who? black solders are getting billions, from who? 

Numbers don't add up. How many black college graduates have thousand of dollars of student debt they will never be able to pay? who has this billions you are speaking of? 

white man says black people are 50 million people in the usa. so for fifty million to make one billion a month is twenty dollars a month. Now, cut out black children who aren't making any money. White man say twnety seven percent are children. So fifty million minus thirteen million and five hundred thousand gets you thrity six million and five hundred. Now white man says 37% of black people are in prison or in jail in the usa. so... that is eighteen million and five hundred. so let's subtract eighteen million and fife hundred from thirty six million and five hundred which is the total black populace minus the kids who aren't making any money. That gets you eighteen million black people.  Comprehend thirty seven percent + twenty seven percent is is sixty four percent, who are children or in jail prison, so no money. Now white man says one million and three hundred and thirty active soldiers are in the military and seventeen percent are black. so thhat is two hundred and twenty six thousand black folk who are making no money as rank and file, black generals are making money but their exact number i don't know and I will ignore. So that is now seventeen million, seven hundred and seventy four thousand. Now white man says twelve percent of black people in the usa are the elderly so between healthcost/rent/food and et cetera whether they use it themselves or have singed away their freedom, willingly or unwillingly , to a prison called an old folks home. that is six million so, seventeen thousand, seven hundred and seventy four minus six million which is eleven million, seven hundred and seventy four thousand. Now, white man says, twenty five percent of black people are on welfare which means they can't financially support themselves without aid from the government. So, we have from the prior calculations eleven million seven hundred and seventy thousand minut twelve million and five hundred thousand. which is negative seven hundred and twenty six thusand. 

If you notice, between 27% children + 37% in jail+ 12% elderly + 25% welfare that is 101% or one hundred and one part of a hundred, so what does this mean? 

If we hold the same statistics true from whites that black have billions of dollars per year, it isn't the children, black children earn twenty dollars a month? it isn't the people in prison. Prison labor is real but it is far below market rate, ala slavery. and most prisoners don't work.  it isn't the elders with their costs, they are looking for constant savings for rent or food or medicine because they don't have it.  it isn't the soldiers, soldiers stipend is over twenty dollars a month. ok, but taking soldiers out doesn't get the numbers positive, and it is well known many/most soldiers use financial assistance. It obviously isn't the people on welfare getting assistance. you can't say you earn money when you need assistance to live. the assistance is allowing what you earn to be spent other ways, that means you are in the red and being augmented, like goldman sachs. That isn't wealth.   But then who? As I have always said, and who has always existed in the usa, or the english colonies that preceded it. It is the black one percent. One percent of fifty million is five hundred thousand. Which means each of the five hundred thousand would have to make two thousand a month to get to a billion. yeah, I can see that. 

The NFL has seventeen hundred athletes , seventy percent are black. five hundred and thirty seven athletes in the nba. successful musicians like beyonce or jayz, yeah. The numbers fit now. Black people like you have been saying erroneously, that somehow the larger village has billions. No, children/in jail/elderly/welfare recipient/soldiers. none of the above can say they earn twenty dollars a month. But the black one percent: entertainers[athletes/musicans/pundits/agents]+ the one percent of black elders with with like black enterprise folk mention+ the black one percent of soldiers who are generals or captains with a nice bit of wealth+ black one percent of elected officials like Barrack Obama and company yeah, they can reach five hundred thousand and each are easily making over two thousand a month. Yeah, your right, ProfD, the Black one percent is making billions per year. 

So please talk to them, but stop lying on the black financially common or impoverished masses. 

and as was discussed in this very form, the black one percent are a very financially stringent group, they don't gamble. they don't risk their money. they tend to invest with white cause that is safer than investing their own. So , you already know what the black one percent is doing with their money. 

So thus ends your points, cause no body else black has money. 

57 minutes ago, ProfD said:

How many engineering firms have Black folks started? 

 

 

I know percy julian had to fight to get his chemistry firm started in the 1900s and he couldn't do it in the usa because of white power, and had to fight constantly for his business to even existeven while in mexico, by white powers of the usa , so if you are asking how many black owned engineering firms were started by DOSers when white folks allowed it in the usa, circa 1980. I imagine many black engineering firms have been started. . I offhand know of a black chipmaker who is in flux, a black owned chemical firm who went out of business. As the cost of starting a business has always risen this isn't easy.  And white restriction to black empowerment has never faded away completely. And, I comprehend your larger point, which is terrible fiscal management. Saturation isn't a wise strategy financially. You accept the odds of business success across racial lines plus accept white power exists and is real, though you seem to suggest it is diminished in value today, which is the nitty gritty, but this means you  your strategy is over saturation of business startups, but that is financially irresponsible. As someone who has started a business and failed, I don't think black people starting tons of businesses in the usa is close to financially warranted and far from wise. 

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

The village collectively could invest in its own people. 

 

village has no money, black one percent can. if they want to. why don't you ask them

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

I don't believe you realize outside of New York there are a high number of successful Black people. 

 

new york by white mans own account and my own personal observations has more financially wealthy black people in it than any other city in the usa, but that doesn't mean a majority of black people in the black populace of nyc are wealthy, they are called the one percent. 

And the black one percent exists all throughout the usa, but again, that isn't the black populace.

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Successful Black people see things from a different perspective.  One of the biggest challenges is getting our people to believe they can do better.

 

is that perspective you speak of based on truth or a lie. Belief isn't as important as facts financially. you can't believe money into existence, that is a lie. You can't believe opportunity into existence, that is a lie. You can believe in yourself, but assuming makes an ass out of you.

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Understand that because I'm a successful FBA/AfroAmerican man of average intelligence, I believe other Black folks can do it too. Just a matter of putting in the work.

in my opinion, very very few black people doubt black ability, but black people don't doubt their eyes and the truth in their lives. 

MAdam CJ walker was one hundred years ago, the garveyites were older, black people don't doubt what they can do, at least the black people I am connected too offline. but the black people i am connected too offline don't lie either and I don't ask them to lie. Wherever you live, maybe you want black people to think they can turn water into wine but I don't ask black people to do that. 

Positive thinking is one thing , false belief or lying to the environment your in or the experiences you had is another. 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

And had help, you never mention with the people you call financially successful, why do you always omit the help they got? 

What is that about?

It is a given that hard work is only one aspect of becoming successful. 

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

You and other blacks keep saying financial lies like this on our populace in the usa, I wonder what your agenda really is. Maybe your not black. 

There are no lies when one lives the reality.

 

I'm Black to the core & very proud of it.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

if you insult, i will call you out as an insulter. I will ask you stop insulting black history if you do it, every single time.

Encouraging Black people to do better does not diminish or insult our history. 

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

what billions?

As I've mentioned before, billions of dollars pass through Black churches every year.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

Yeah, your right, ProfD, the Black one percent is making billions per year. 

So please talk to them, but stop lying on the black financially common or impoverished masses. 

It isn't the Black 1% pouring billions into churches & gross consumerism.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

And white restriction to black empowerment has never faded away completely.

White folks don't stop Black folks from giving their tithes & offerings.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

You accept the odds of business success across racial lines plus accept white power exists and is real, though you seem to suggest it is diminished in value today...

I'm not suggesting it has gotten easier. My point is that it's not impossible.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

As someone who has started a business and failed, I don't think black people starting tons of businesses in the usa is close to financially warranted and far from wise. 

Black people don't have to start tons of businesses.

 

But, when AI puts a whole bunch of Black folks outta work, we'll have no choice.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

village has no money, black one percent can. if they want to. why don't you ask them. 

The Black 1% definitely is not exempt from investing in the community. 

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

is that perspective you speak of based on truth or a lie. Belief isn't as important as facts financially. you can't believe money into existence, that is a lie. You can't believe opportunity into existence, that is a lie. You can believe in yourself, but assuming makes an ass out of you.

It is a fact that Black people can make a lot of money. No assumptions. 

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

iWherever you live, maybe you want black people to think they can turn water into wine but I don't ask black people to do that. 

Positive thinking is one thing , false belief or lying to the environment your in or the experiences you had is another. 

I don't have to convince the Black people where I live that they too can be successful.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Encouraging Black people to do better does not diminish or insult our history. 

 

 

I admit that I am speaking from a life of comfort. It is easy to say people don't need encouragement when one has always been encouraged, helped, supported in their personal life, by family... not sanguine but family whether blood related or not. I do value encouragement less than in the black populace. I think about circa 1865, when african methodist episcopal pastors were preaching encouragements to black people to use a nonviolent methodology. And I am against the heritage that created which persists to this day. The episcopal is a pastor, episcopalians believe in the role and function of the pastor as a guide [this is opposed to the gnostics who believe no one individual can be as knowledgeable about the spiritual affairs, including pastors or popes] anyway, the methodists believe in a life led by a lifestyle, the bushido from the people of nippon is a similar idea. when i look at the AME heritage it fits. Black person acts as a guide to the black group by preaching persisitance to a way of life, in DOSers case, it is nonviolent participation in the usa, regardless of white activity and I admit I am sick of hearing it. I think it is dysfunctional. Black people don't need encouragement, most black people need to presented ideas. The black people who spoke at the million man march was the same encouragement nonsense. A bunch of episcoopals of various religions or no religion, preaching the continuance of the nonviolent method in the usa regardless of the usa or the white people in it.. I am tired of that. 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

As I've mentioned before, billions of dollars pass through Black churches every year.

 

From who is my question

Black children? no , black children don't earn billions of dollars.

Black prisoners? no, how many prisons even have a chapel these days? 

Black welfare recipients? no, they don't have income to dispose, that is why they are on welfare. They can't pay their standard bills so, no way.

Black elders? maybe some, but how many. I can see the black elders who come to the old church in the city every sunday from their home in the suburbs. Quite a few of them, all over the usa. yeah , but they are a fraction of black elders, a definitive minority. But the money is good.  

Black soldierS? maybe, i know many soldiers are religious. but soldiers have families, tend to complain about cost of living. so i can't imagine too many of them. Definitely, the officers. but rank and file, no way. 

Then I think about Barrack Obama sitting in that black mega church, that black guy with a mega church "walk by faith not by sight" I recall seeing that somewhere, made me laugh. 

So, yeah , your right, billions do go through the black churches, from the black one percent. And the black one percent is like the white one percent, this isn't the whole 

black populace. At this moment in time, It isn't that I challenge the presence of billions in the black populace in the usa, but I challenge its source. It isn't the common black masses, it is the black one percent, the black wealthy. and they are a very small but financially very wealthy populace so... talk to them. 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

It isn't the Black 1% pouring billions into churches & gross consumerism.

 

Even enough, I have made my case. The numbers fit in my case. The black one percent isn't a large populace BUT, they have the financial scale to make the multitude of billions per year. It fits them: black officers in the military, black elders of weallth especially from the black churches, black entertainers , black elected officials. black business owners with many of them networked into the other groups. John Starks has one of the biggest dealerships in NY metropolitan area but a millionaire black athlete networked with other millionaire black athletes. I forge tthe former detroit piston who owns a computer programming firm. yeah, it all fits, but they are all black one percenters. the black wealthy. And I am 100% black churchs in NYC, are very tribal. I knwo for a fact that many of them, network opportunities amongst their specific tribes within the black village. I can see the black one percent fueling money into churches. Cause again, NYC's black churches that are standing strong are attached to black one percenters . many black churches have gone under, but those were where regular folk, financially went, thus no money.

I am convinced that the black one percent is the source of the billions. Now maybe the white man is lying about the percentages, but based on the percentages the white man has collected and the financial reality of prisoners/soldiers/children/welfare recipients/black one percent, the black one percent is the source of the billions.  

Black one percenters do spend on vanity like all people with money. A cotillion is expensive. High end clothes are expensive. cars are expensive. I think you fiscally underestimate the cost of homes for the black one percent. Those homes are expensive per month. Those homes they have are gross /large consumerism. 

Now to be even, the only group in the black populace in the usa who could have any significant consumerism is the black people on welfare. Black Teachers or nurses are on welfare, starting in the 1970s, so black people working while on welfare isn't new it is very old. But, I will not chagrin black poor people,upper poor people, affording themselves something to enjoy, as gross consumerism. Consumerism, yes, but it isn't gross. I am 100% certain with those i know on welfare that 90% of black people on welfare don't have gross consumerism, if gross consumerism is defined as based on the fiscal scale of what is consumed, not the presence of consumerism. Cause I happen to know there are some blacks who like to suggest gross consumerism is consumerism itself, which I oppose. 

In NYC, it was recently unveiled that over 95% of white children in the orthodox jewish schools can't pass the basic state wide exams while they have schools full of trips around the world and game rooms and swimming pools. So, for any blacks who feel that black children who passed and are passing their state exams at a hell of a higher rate with schools absent any amenities or opportunities can't get a few pairs of sneakers from their parents  on welfare, i say fuck off. 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

But, when AI puts a whole bunch of Black folks outta work, we'll have no choice.

 

 

we? well humanity en large is going through a labor movement reality with large language models and other similar computer programs. I don't know what will happen. I see many options, the choices various people need to make haven't been made to see a clear path yet. 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

The Black 1% definitely is not exempt from investing in the community. 

 

Right, well they are acting exempt in majority and I repeat I don't blame them. Black wealth in modernity comes from struggle and rarely do black people have the fortune to get it through crimes or illegalities, and even when we do, it is absent the ease of whites. So black people tend to be frightened of poverty. For too many blacks poverty is a sign of self, which is hilarious historically. we didn't enslave ourselves into boats. And 90% of the black folk in the boats died over the ocean, they never made any shores so, ...

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

It is a fact that Black people can make a lot of money. No assumptions. 

 

 

that is historical fact, sadly it is also a generalization, whom among blacks is where the details reside and the details is where black people tend to make assumptions on other black people based on hope or encouragement, not truth.

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

I don't have to convince the Black people where I live that they too can be successful.

me neither, common ground, finally