Pioneer1 Posted Wednesday at 01:27 AM Author Report Posted Wednesday at 01:27 AM Interesting discussion from back in the day....... AALBC.com's Thumper's Corner Discussion Board: Black Hair, permed, blond and more It seems as if back in those days @Troy held the same observations I do.
aka Contrarian Posted Wednesday at 01:28 AM Report Posted Wednesday at 01:28 AM 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: It's hard to believe nobody else on here thinks dark skinned Black people need have been victims of colorism and need extra attention to help uplift them. First of all, that's an assumption on your part. Secondly, a lot of your patronizing pity is probably drawn from anecdotal feed back . In your narrative, as usual, you designate who the good and bad guys are, never broaching on the subject of the dark skin folks who bullied others based on their different skin color or obesity, or for being 4-eyed or having buck teeth, or being sissified or mentally retarded. This was part of my growing up observations. You're soooo busy trying to portray yourself as the Patron Saint of people who should be praised for overcoming discrimination and going on to excel. But that doesn't fit in your game plan
Pioneer1 Posted Wednesday at 01:46 AM Author Report Posted Wednesday at 01:46 AM frankster Where did I say not support any one or group of peoples? I have always said supporty all Equally by Making available and accessible all forms of Promotion...thereby creaty Equity and parity When you said you'd support EVERYBODY....that really means you WON'T support Black people. Because when you uplift everybody at the same time, you simply maintain the IMBALANCE. Giving EVERYBODY Reparations. It's like a doctor telling a man to keep one of his legs elevated, so in response he gets on an elevator and rides it up to the top floor. What's the point of raising your leg if you're going to raise the rest of you body along with it? Did you not say to focus on Medium? I said medium, dark brown, and black. Ha Ha...so funny....you must be a clown or comedian Would you believe me if I told you I write for Chris Rock? They are benefits and a win for those who contribute and qualified to recieve them... If you qualify for benefits and receive them...it's a GRANT. Not a win. Which is what I told you in the begining. How are YOU going to tell me something that you've been arguing against? I'm the one who told YOU that a win is only in the context of a contest. Now let me amend my previous statement. Being compensated isn't a win, but it can be the RESULT of a win. For example.... You can win a lawsuit, and be compensated some money and other forms of restitution. The money isn't exactly a win...the judgement is. But the money is a direct result OF the win. Being paid is a win See my previous post. When dealing with some one who is not willing to admit to their own posting....it becomes nonsenical to repeatedly repost their own postings as proof. I agree. Which is why I only repost yours one or two times to bring a particular contradiction or error to your attention. If you don't get it; then I leave you alone....lol....let the chronic wear off. Good continue filling.... At some point, when the bin gets TOO full....I'm going to have to start SHREDDING....lol Cool....I have provided my proof - you have used the words Focus on medium - that alone is enough proof Were they arranged in that manner? Focus -> on -> medium Or did you just take those individual words out of their context and RE-arrange them to fit your strawman argument? Yes..... Many scientist and philosophers were considered mad..... Because the simpletons of world could not comprehend their logics and scientific thoughts. Are YOU a scientist or a recognized philosopher? Its reads like an admission....so it is one I'm glad you're not a detective. You'd be locking up everybody brought through the precinct doors. "He said he wanted to talk to his lawyer. That sounds like an ADMISSION OF GUILT to me!" In any case it is a Colorism....which is an evil and cruel practice How do you justify calling colorism "evil"? What religious text did you get that out of? Just say YOU don't agree with it. I'm not sure if you're qualified to judge it and condemn it as "evil". If so why is it wrong? Because it puts AfroAmericans at an unfair disadvantage. I told what I would do....to arrive at Equality Equity and Parity. Which was WRONG. Because what YOU would do wouldn't LEAD to equality or equity. It would simply maintain the imbalance. That is the primary and central thrust to your arguments... It's actually a STRAWMAN that you made up to argue against. I didn't say it and you can't find any quotes OF me saying it. Infact, the quotes you produced show the very opposite. African spoke of Evolution... They do not speak of lower or higher animals Case closed. Now again, my question is who spoke on The Theory Of Evolution before White folks did? I have done so.... I said read and try your best to COMPREHEND what you read. If that was your best, I feel sorry for you. No... Disctrimination is still around.....the enemy is discrimination. I don't know about you, but discrimination isn't necessarily MY enemy. It's only MY enemy if it's discriminating against ME or MY PEOPLE. Both....because the enemy is - Ignorance Not sure if it's THE enemy, but it's certainly AN enemy. I would rather their be not Colorism..in any form Then you're riding the fence. No Oppressor or Oppressed and No Victimizer or Victims That's Heaven. The enemy is unfair treatment in exposure access and availability. For a man who says he believes in fairness and equity, you certainly have a lot of enemies..lol. 24 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said: never broaching on the subject of the dark skin folks who bullied others based on their different skin color or obesity, or for being 4-eyed or having buck teeth, or being sissified or mentally retarded. This was part of my growing up observations. You can't focus on ALL of the injustices of the world. Sometimes you gotta pick a struggle.
admin Posted Wednesday at 10:38 AM Report Posted Wednesday at 10:38 AM 8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: It seems as if back in those days @Troy held the same observations I do. Yeah, I just read that year-long conversation that states 23 years ago! I pose the question to kick the conversation off and didn’t really express my personal opinion until a while into it “Hi Ruby I don't buy into the concept that Black people are attempting to mimic white standards of beauty. Black women do so many different things to their hair. Many of the styles, textures and colors used don't belong "naturally" to any racial group on this planet. Nor do I buy into the concept of self hatred. Simply because, as Cynique pointed out several months ago, white people also go to great length to modify the natural color and texture of their hair. However white people are not accued of self hatred to the same degree as Black people and they may go to greater extents to change their natural hair. A great many people (Black and white) are victims of consumerism. Marketers have figured out an way to make many women want to change their hair -- often on a regular basis, at significant cost and time. In much the same way that someone figured out how to convince women that 50 pairs of shoes is not too many to own, someone has convinced women changing their hair style is just as important. Men are increasingly victims of this as well; more and more of us are spending too much time in beauty salons, jewlery and shoe stores.” After almost a quarter of a century, my opinion on this matter has changed a little: I think we need to take more responsibility and how we are so easily manipulated by marketers it’s not just a matter of buying things we don’t need or doing things to ourselves that aren’t necessary like getting butt lifts. Today It’s a matter of letting others tell us what to think. Manipulating what people think has always been around, but it became more aggressive and more pervasive as social media became popular, which wasn’t the case 23 years ago. Now, AI promises to put this on steroids. Today we have reasonably intelligent people who believe vaccines are bad or who believes it was a good idea to vote for our current president. I don’t think this could’ve happened 23 years ago, so my opinion has changed. 1
Pioneer1 Posted yesterday at 12:03 AM Author Report Posted yesterday at 12:03 AM 13 hours ago, admin said: Yeah, I just read that year-long conversation that states 23 years ago! I pose the question to kick the conversation off and didn’t really express my personal opinion until a while into it “Hi Ruby I don't buy into the concept that Black people are attempting to mimic white standards of beauty. Black women do so many different things to their hair. Many of the styles, textures and colors used don't belong "naturally" to any racial group on this planet. But you DID say: Quote Of course nothing is as Black or white as I posed the question, but I always find it curious when I see a Black woman (the dark skinned variey) with straight blond hair. I'm not attempting to make an judgement of whether it looks good or not; I'm just trying to find out if people think this is more of an attempt to mimick white standards of beauty or simply an innocent attempt to standout. The fact that you admit that you find it curious as to why a dark skinned Black woman would rock straight blond hair suggests that you innately find something wrong or odd about this. It doesn't sit right with you even if you try to convince yourself otherwise based on contemporary social norms. You also ask the question....acknowledging the possibility that it could indeed be self-hatred.....before dismissing it. The fact that you said an "innocent" attempt to stand out almost ridicules the idea that when a Black woman dyes her hair blonde....she doesn't deep down know what she's doing and why she's doing it. Few women dye their hair ANY color for some "innocent" reason...lol.
frankster Posted 14 hours ago Report Posted 14 hours ago On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: Where did I say not support any one or group of peoples?I have always said supporty all Equally by Making available and accessible all forms of Promotion...thereby creaty Equity and parity When you said you'd support EVERYBODY I am sure you are using this out of context....to make some wild and specious point. On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: ....that really means you WON'T support Black people. How can supporting everbody means you not supporting black peoples This is you misinterpreting my post....to suit your arguments The truth and fact of the matter is I dsaid no such thing. On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: Because when you uplift everybody at the same time, you simply maintain the IMBALANCE. I think I said support or promote everybody equally.....One side gets 5 and the other 10 till bot are equal On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: Giving EVERYBODY Reparations. This I know is a definte Misrepresentation I am sure I said all who are "deserving" That Omission tells me a lot about you On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: It's like a doctor telling a man to keep one of his legs elevated, so in response he gets on an elevator and rides it up to the top floor. What's the point of raising your leg if you're going to raise the rest of you body along with it? Based on your reasoning......You are the only person who I know would get that meaning from the doctors instruction. On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: I said medium, dark brown, and black. Are you now then denying that you said focus on Medium???? On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: Ha Ha...so funny....you must be a clown or comedian Would you believe me if I told you I write for Chris Rock? Why does it matter what I believe? On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: They are benefits and a win for those who contribute and qualified to recieve them... If you qualify for benefits and receive them...it's a GRANT. Not a win. To many it is a win On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: Which is what I told you in the begining. How are YOU going to tell me something that you've been arguing against? I'm the one who told YOU that a win is only in the context of a contest. Obviously you are confused. On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: Now let me amend my previous statement. Being compensated isn't a win, but it can be the RESULT of a win. For example.... You can win a lawsuit, and be compensated some money and other forms of restitution. The money isn't exactly a win...the judgement is. But the money is a direct result OF the win. They are both wins On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: Being paid is a win See my previous post. See My Previous post On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: When dealing with some one who is not willing to admit to their own posting....it becomes nonsenical to repeatedly repost their own postings as proof. I agree. Which is why I only repost yours one or two times to bring a particular contradiction or error to your attention. If you don't get it; then I leave you alone....lol....let the chronic wear off. Liar You have never done such.... What you have done is post an obvious misintrepretation. On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: Good continue filling.... At some point, when the bin gets TOO full....I'm going to have to start SHREDDING....lol It is of no concern to me On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: Cool....I have provided my proof - you have used the words Focus on medium - that alone is enough proof Were they arranged in that manner? Focus -> on -> medium Or did you just take those individual words out of their context and RE-arrange them to fit your strawman argument? They are not in the arrangement you specified but they are in context and meaning accurate and true Below is some of your relevant post So you are proposing to teach that beauty exist only in "medium"? No. Medium brown, dark brown, and black. Not that beauty ONLY exists in these shades, but these shades are the focus. Yes I do... Which or who do you want to exclude? For a period of time....all of them EXCEPT medium brown, dark brown, and black. No, medium and dark skin specifically. On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: Yes..... Many scientist and philosophers were considered mad..... Because the simpletons of world could not comprehend their logics and scientific thoughts. Are YOU a scientist or a recognized philosopher? Neither But I did take science in HS and my friends call me 'Philosopher' Are you a doctor? On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: Its reads like an admission....so it is one I'm glad you're not a detective. You'd be locking up everybody brought through the precinct doors. "He said he wanted to talk to his lawyer. That sounds like an ADMISSION OF GUILT to me!" Again with your irrelevant examples On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: How do you justify calling colorism "evil"? What religious text did you get that out of? They do exist..... I Do not need a religious text....to know that it is evil Do You need a religious text to know that it is evil/bad/wrong On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: Just say YOU don't agree with it. I do not agree with it.... Do you agree with it? On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: I'm not sure if you're qualified to judge it and condemn it as "evil". We all know what evil is....we just choose not to recognize it - usually for selfish reasons.... How do I know we all are qualified.....It is written it scripture and in our hearts - called Conscience On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: If so why is it wrong? Because it puts AfroAmericans at an unfair disadvantage. How so? As An Aside your use of the word AfroAmerican.....does the prefix Afro means African or Black African or Both? On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: I told what I would do....to arrive at Equality Equity and Parity. Which was WRONG. Because what YOU would do wouldn't LEAD to equality or equity. It would simply maintain the imbalance. There can be no misunderstanding in what I meant... For you made it a simple and straight forward Mathematical Problem...... please review our previous exchange.... On 3/23/2026 at 4:52 PM, Pioneer1 said: How so? please explain? If you start off with 5 stones on one side and 20 stones of the same weight on the other side....that's an imbalance, right? Supposed you add 10 stones to BOTH SIDES. You didn't correct the IMBALANCE. Now you have 15 stones on one side and 30 on the other...and it's STILL uneven. Adding the SAME amount of stones to both sides isn't the solution to balancing things out. Why not just add 15 to the 5.....and leave the 20 as it is That is how we achieve equity parity and equality On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: That is the primary and central thrust to your arguments... It's actually a STRAWMAN that you made up to argue against. I didn't say it and you can't find any quotes OF me saying it. Infact, the quotes you produced show the very opposite. Read my quote wherein a posted your use of the word focus.... On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: African spoke of Evolution... They do not speak of lower or higher animals Case closed. Even so This African is regarded and Recognized as an early thinker on natural selection and adaptation... This African also Proposed that environmental factors influence the survival of species. Emphasized the importance of competition among species for resources.....Survival of the Fittest Also Suggested that animals adapt to their surroundings over generations.....Sex selection On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: Now again, my question is who spoke on The Theory Of Evolution before White folks did? Why does it matter? They did not called it The Theory of Evolution..... On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: I have done so.... I said read and try your best to COMPREHEND what you read. If that was your best, I feel sorry for you. Then do.....feel sorry for you On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: No... Disctrimination is still around.....the enemy is discrimination. I don't know about you, but discrimination isn't necessarily MY enemy. It's only MY enemy if it's discriminating against ME or MY PEOPLE. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds. https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: Both....because the enemy is - Ignorance Not sure if it's THE enemy, but it's certainly AN enemy. It is The Enemy On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: I would rather their be not Colorism..in any form Then you're riding the fence. Colorism is Schism On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: No Oppressor or Oppressed and No Victimizer or Victims That's Heaven. That is the goal we should all strive to achieve......here on earth On 4/7/2026 at 9:46 PM, Pioneer1 said: The enemy is unfair treatment in exposure access and availability. For a man who says he believes in fairness and equity, you certainly have a lot of enemies..lol. Ignorance it is..... Ignorance take many forms....
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