Christian Nationalism on the Rise in USA

[ProfD]

Most people who follow American politics are aware of Evangelical christians. They heavily influence the Republican Party. 

 

 

 

Christian Nationalism is another aspect of the evangelical movement. Towns,  communities & schools are being set up in a throwback to the 1800s. These people are predominantly white.

 

I doubt liberal white folks will allow the Chrsitian Nationalists to take over the country & force everyone to adopt it.

 

There's always some type of wacky religious movement in the USA. I remember Jonestown, Branch Davidians, Mormons & those folks who committed suicide with $5 in their pockets.

 

Black people keep that 3rd open. Learn self-defense & how to use weapons.

 

I really don't believe these white people will come at Black folks. They'll mainly stay in their own bubbles like Amish people.

 

However, staying ready means one doesn't have to get ready if/when sh8t hits the fan.

 

[aka Contrarian]

On 3/22/2026 at 8:20 PM, ProfD said:

I really don't believe these white people will come at Black folks. They'll mainly stay in their own bubbles like Amish

 

On the contrary, I think these Evangelical Nationalists, who are an arm of the right wing Project 2025 American Heritage Foundation, are something to be reckoned with especially when it comes to Blacks. Why? Because they promote a lot of issues that Blacks go along with: They are against abortion, believing that life begins at conception, they are homophobic and anti LGBQT, they advocate prayer in public schools, and are not sympathetic about Hispanicl immigrants.

The views Blacks have in common with these hypocritical, racist, super patriotic fascistic, fanatical conspiracy theorists make them and Evangelical Nationals strange bedfellows...

[ProfD]

16 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

On the contrary, I think these Evangelical Nationalists, who are an arm of the right wing Project 2025 American Heritage Foundation, are something to be reckoned with especially when it comes to Blacks.

I was referring to the Evangelical Nationalists not being a threat to harm Black folks through violence. 

 

However, you are right about being strange bedfellows with Black folks who are in alignment with some of their ideologies. 

 

That's how Jim Jones was able to mislead & massacre so many Black folks in Jonestown back in 1978.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

On 3/22/2026 at 9:20 PM, ProfD said:

I doubt liberal white folks will allow the Chrsitian Nationalists to take over the country & force everyone to adopt it.

 

Well, the issue isn't allowing the issue is who can stop this from going to war. The USA has a long history of internal military conflicts. The secession from the english empire was mostly fought between peoples who were of the english colonies and other european colonies. it wasn't colonists vs the english, it was colonist vs colonist.  one side of colonist had aid from the french military and spanis military, the other side of colonist had aid from the english military. In the war of 1812, it was the same, many people in the usa fought with the english to reclaim the usa. new england/virginia/carolinas/kansas all had regional wars between whites. and then came the war between the states. The creation of the federal bureau of investigation was first for the original klu klux klan whose mission it was to become the largest subcommunity in the white populace and thus take over the usa, the fbi, through all sorts of means undid the original klu klux klan, which i argue prevented armed conflict from a larger scale occuring in the white populace in the usa. Then the fbi and other agencies did similar into all organizations in the usa to make sure none ... led to anything, so to speak. 

The nation of islam, the sons of odin, the tong, every organization in the usa i hear has a three letter agent and their sole role has to be quelling any organizations ability to start a massive armed conflict in the usa, which will lead to larger ones as in the past. 

This the 1950s 1960s 1970s where many people in the usa were... taken out of commission in various ways. 

Now in modernity, I argue, the military + three letter organizations are the ones keeping this piece, not so called liberal whites or so called conservative whites.  it is the military industrial complex keeping the peace. I don't have proof. But their goal isnt preventing any from taking over the country as you say, their goal in my mind, is keeping a peace, because the usa is demographically very weak. You can't get ten people in the usa in any city to explain what unites people in the usa outside of lies/commercial statements/ or honest I don't knows. All ten will not say the simple truth, individual greed. The problem with that truth is, individual greed doesn't lend to working with others, by default.  If you can't get people in the usa to comprehend why they should be aligned casually, if they start thinking the walls will get higher. 

The question is one of arms. Schrumpft is president now. The states are already showing at least two camps on alot of issues, but they haven't armed themselves. The good news for the military is the post lincoln federalism has successfully defanged all states in the union. None of them can survive a month without the federal welfare check. Circa 1865 most states in the union had totally internal economies, they battled each other for trade let alone places outside the usa. so, the key is the states,will the schrumpf era lead to states developing themselves to be self sufficient as in the past? if so , that will lead to war eventually 

Another potential is a fissure in the military which would quicken the pace, but it seems the military hasn't fissured but it has happened in the past and will happen again eventually.

 

@aka Contrarian

21 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

Why? Because they promote a lot of issues that Blacks go along with: They are against abortion, believing that life begins at conception, they are homophobic and anti LGBQT, they advocate prayer in public schools, and are not sympathetic about Hispanicl immigrants.

The views Blacks have in common with these hypocritical, racist, super patriotic fascistic, fanatical conspiracy theorists make them and Evangelical Nationals strange bedfellows...

And to be blunt, the challenge is on our particular tribe. Black DOSers are in a modernity where the usa it is fifty years, a half century,  since the sixties and black dosers as individuals have achieved a lot, more than any other group arguably, but as a populace, are even farther from being a potent community. and so i think many DOSers are in the resent phase when plans don't go as some preached or some prayed for or some guaranteed. How many black parents told black children what to do and it turned out hogwash? don't break the law, go to ivy league, be a proud american, embrace the other as a human being, hasn't led to much of anything for a lot of black people, and definitely hasnt led to the black populace being a black community. so, blame game for many, lets blame the immigrant, lets blame muslims. even black immigrants or black muslims are under attack. 

Not strange bedfellows. many white german jewish organizations were in full support of the nazis with the nazi's yelling death to all jews. it isn't strange. 

all populaces of people are broken up into tribes in truth because how people see the world, themselves, their future, is rarely the same. 

These blacks are frightened of white power, are making a gambit that allegiance with them will save them from violence, from harm, they don't care for the multiracial USA that was probably promised by their parents and elders growing up as a positive when that was an over simplification. The black church... whom I have so much to say on, misguided the black populace in all earnest, in times past and has been forever regretful that it fucked up, blaming all but itself for its modern condition. 

so yeah.

 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

Well, the issue isn't allowing the issue is who can stop this from going to war. 

 

I don't have proof. But their goal isnt preventing any from taking over the country as you say, their goal in my mind, is keeping a peace, because the usa is demographically very weak.

 

Another potential is a fissure in the military which would quicken the pace, but it seems the military hasn't fissured but it has happened in the past and will happen again eventually.

The great experiment that is the United States of America (USA) even in its relative youth as a 250-year old nation has studied the history of empires...their rise & fall. 

 

The *smartest* thing the USA did was allowing people from all of the planet to come & live in this country. 

 

Though its institutions, the USA has tapped into the best &  brightest minds from around the world. 

 

Through its power of money & influence & military strength, the USA has become the leading super power in the world. 

 

There is no other country on the planet to which more people immigrate.

 

I don't believe the USA will implode or self-destruct under the weight of its own largesse. 

 

Nor will disputes & bickering among disparate groups of people (tribes) derail the USA either.  

 

I believe it will take an act of of the universe i.e. series of natural disasters to dismantle &/or destroy the USA. 

 

There's always the remote possibility that white people will get fed up with each other & start firing off those nuclear bombs. 

 

Of course, going nuclear means game over for humanity as we know.

[ProfD]

https://apnews.com/article/pete-hegseth-pentagon-christian-worship-service-30db48b6ceb8af5e6172fb3ba2eafaa0

 

This is how white folks use religion. They pray for evil sh8t.

 

The Department of Defense Secretary is praying for the destruction of enemies as the US bombs Iran.

 

It would be poetic if the universe wiped out him & his entire family.

[admin]

"WASHINGTON (AP) — Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, hosting his first monthly Christian worship service at the Pentagon..."

 

AP got this wrong Hegseth is technically the the Secretary of War. All of this just sounds crazy to me. 

 

Less than three years to go

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, admin said:

"WASHINGTON (AP) — Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, hosting his first monthly Christian worship service at the Pentagon..."

 

AP got this wrong Hegseth is technically the the Secretary of War. All of this just sounds crazy to me. 

 

The AP is technically correct. 

 

Department of Defense has not been officially changed to Department of War by Congress.

[aka Contrarian]

Many think that the ultimate goal of Project 2025 which is the manifesto of the ultra conservative American Heritage Foundation, is to turn this country into a fascistic theocracy. 

[ProfD]

43 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

Many think that the ultimate goal of Project 2025 which is the manifesto of the ultra conservative American Heritage Foundation, is to turn this country into a fascistic theocracy. 

IMO, if the country can be *turned into* a fascist theocracy, I have to believe a little more than half the population were fine with that direction. They voted...or not for it.

[admin]

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

The AP is technically correct. 

 

What does the sign say on the front of the building?  AP better get with the program, if they wanna remain in business... fake news 

I have to believe the vast majority of the country would not want to live under theocracy let alone a fascist one. Of course we only need an organized minority to make it happen, and it is not outside the realm of possibility, though it is highly unlikely.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, admin said:

What does the sign say on the front of the building?  AP better get with the program, if they wanna remain in business... fake news 

Gotcha.  The sign on the building is a secondary title by way of POTUS OJ signing an executive order which allows usage of Department of War.

 

Until 1947, it was called Department of War before it was legally changed to Department of Defense by Congress. 

 

The current clown administration is trying to roll back all types of sh8t in the United States of America (USA)  to a time before the 1950s.

 

Of course, it all stems from when he was born (1946) & the time period when POTUS OJ felt the USA was great. 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Christian Nationalism is another aspect of the evangelical movement. Towns,  communities & schools are being set up in a throwback to the 1800s. These people are predominantly white.

 

You know from the teachings of Neely Fuller Jr. that White people are big on CODES and using coded language.
Just substitute the word "Christian" for "White" and that's what you have....White Nationalists.

They believe in preserving White Anglo Saxon Protestant heritage and keeping things old fashioned.
They don't even trust other Whites if they're Jewish, Catholic, or of Eastern European descent.

 

The Handmaid's Tale is a good series of novels and television shows to study to understand the thinking of a lot of these people because that's the type of society they want to turn the United States into.

 

 

 

 

I doubt liberal white folks will allow the Chrsitian Nationalists to take over the country & force everyone to adopt it.

 

It depends on what THEY'D get out of it.

Many if not most so-called "liberal" White folks are only liberal because they have some sort of VICE or WEIRDNESS that keeps them from being accepted by the mainstream White society.
They may be homosexual, into scat, avid drug users, uncontrollable urge to have sex with Black or Brown people...lol.
But they're into "something" that is frowned upon by more conservative White society at large.
They're angry at "society" or "White society" because it condemns whatever they're into.  So because White society doesn't welcome THEM with open arms, they run and hook up with the Blacks and Latinos and preach an "all is love" doctrine.  

 

But ever when White conservatives start getting afraid over low numbers...especially in certain districts....they'll embrace their "black sheep"....the liberal Whites and their vices and the liberal Whites will gladly accept and turn on their Black "allies" and act like they never knew them, lol.

 

 

 

The *smartest* thing the USA did was allowing people from all of the planet to come & live in this country. 

 

I don't know if it was the "smartest".
Actually giving us Reparations would be MUCH smarter....lol.
But I understand your point and believe that it's VERY smart for America to bring in people...especially skilled and educated people...from around the globe to come and help build up the nation's economy.

 

It's called "brain drain" and the West has been doing it for decades.
 

[richardmurray]

 

@ProfD 

23 hours ago, ProfD said:

The great experiment that is the United States of America (USA) even in its relative youth as a 250-year old nation has studied the history of empires...their rise & fall. 

 

The *smartest* thing the USA did was allowing people from all of the planet to come & live in this country. 

 

Though its institutions, the USA has tapped into the best &  brightest minds from around the world. 

 

Through its power of money & influence & military strength, the USA has become the leading super power in the world. 

 

There is no other country on the planet to which more people immigrate.

 

I don't believe the USA will implode or self-destruct under the weight of its own largesse. 

 

Nor will disputes & bickering among disparate groups of people (tribes) derail the USA either.  

 

I believe it will take an act of of the universe i.e. series of natural disasters to dismantle &/or destroy the USA. 

 

There's always the remote possibility that white people will get fed up with each other & start firing off those nuclear bombs. 

 

Of course, going nuclear means game over for humanity as we know.

Well one big correction, the heritage of pan immigration wasn't statian, or of the usa that was actually the english empires doing. The english  empire was the one who started the pan immigration starting with pan white europeans, the english didn't have to but the english saw a chance to make money.

You suggest the best and the brightest... I don't know about that, but the truth is the usa unlike other countries is willing to grab individuals from the largest labor pool, gardless of their quality. 

Add enslavement + Genocide to the list of factors on the path of super powedom, it is interesting people mention money and military strength, but never genocide, never enslavement, why? why can't they be mentioned along side the others, they are equal or more important in the path to the super powerdom. 

Very true, but again when the usa was english colonies that was the beginning of the immigration heritage of the usa. The problem with the usa is that the white power/white terror/pan immigration/multiracial peace/individualism that the usa touts as elements of itself were not started in 1776 but before, the only thing the usa did was take what the english colonies was doing and separate it from england. But all the factors you speak of were english colonial factos , started then by england, not the colonist. 

Your adding alot of commercial statements to your prose here. 

I As for the future, I don't know. You are certain, which i think is foolish, to me nothing is more foolish than those who know the future. 

And I am in error, the usa actually created two things, 

1) the seperation from england,

2) the invincibility heritage, I do realize the usa when it was founded had doubts to its life, from its very white european  founders, but over the years i do realize a usa eternalism was born and it seems to have adherents in all races. Thank you for helping me take time to think on that. You are not the first to say the usa will be in perpetuity in my earshot offline or online. But, thinking on it, somewhere in the history of the usa, the doubt the founders had was replaced by an eternal certainty that by my ears extends to all races. I wonder when it started. 

but, the individualism/immigration/multiracial peace/pan white power/pan white terror all stemmed from the english empire's administration of the colonies that would become the usa. 

 

@aka Contrarian 

3 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

Many think that the ultimate goal of Project 2025 which is the manifesto of the ultra conservative American Heritage Foundation, is to turn this country into a fascistic theocracy. 

if you look at the history of the usa, it is a country used to internal wars. 

I will list them. 

war of secession from the british empire was mostly fought by people who lived in what would become the usa. 

war of 1812 was the same, fought mostly by those who lived in what would become the usa

Seminole wars, between first peoples side blacks against whites

war between the states, fought between whites with various non white european allies

In between the wars above or just before the first one mentioned are the new england wars, the kansas wars, the carolina wars, virginia wars. 

The usa has a vibrant heritage of internal violence. 

Even white people admit more black people died after the war between the states then before, now no one calls it the black white war rather jim crow or the nadir of american race relations but in my view it was in the era of jim crow, 1865 to 1980, the black white war which ended in 1965 with white victory but a law by whites to reduce white violence. 

What is my point? The usa will split is the most probably outcome, in some form or fashion, based on how people in the usa act and its historical commonalities. 

The usa has never had a we in itself, it uses that word a lot but the usa has never been a we and with such a multiracial populace, not being a we lends to fractures. 

in that environment, the key is where you live when it fractures, don't be on the fracture line and hopefully be in the section that you are accepted in. 

 

@Pioneer1 

43 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I don't know if it was the "smartest".
Actually giving us Reparations would be MUCH smarter....lol.
But I understand your point and believe that it's VERY smart for America to bring in people...especially skilled and educated people...from around the globe to come and help build up the nation's economy.

 

It's called "brain drain" and the West has been doing it for decades.

The funny thing is white peoples statistics show, the majority of the people who come in aren't skilled or educated. It is a simple truth. Yes, a minority and large when you consider the population growth of the usa, but the ovrwhelming majority of immigrants to the usa in every year has always been unskilled or uneducated people. I don't know where people get this, idea that usa gets the most skilled people. I don't know where that comes from , cause whites admit it isn't true, so it must be some wild myth.

 

[Pioneer1]

richardmurray

 

The funny thing is white peoples statistics show, the majority of the people who come in aren't skilled or educated. It is a simple truth. Yes, a minority and large when you consider the population growth of the usa, but the ovrwhelming majority of immigrants to the usa in every year has always been unskilled or uneducated people. I don't know where people get this, idea that usa gets the most skilled people. I don't know where that comes from , cause whites admit it isn't true, so it must be some wild myth.

First let's deal with the LEGAL immigrants........

In absolute numbers the United States...hands down...brings in FAR more skilled and educated immigrants than any other nation on the planet.
Now whether those skilled and educated immigrants make up the majority OF the LEGAL immigrants who come here....I'm not sure.
But we still receive far more of them than any other nation.
 

However if you include the ILLEGAL immigrants who are pouring through the border like sand through an hour glass and being smuggled in here by the millions, then that percentage diminishes drastically.
The vast majority of illegal immigrants are unskilled and uneducated.
Technically speaking....they aren't "welcomed" here....but practically speaking they are because so many of them are being allowed to stay and work.
 

[ProfD]

36 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

You suggest the best and the brightest... I don't know about that, but the truth is the usa unlike other countries is willing to grab individuals from the largest labor pool, gardless of their quality. 

There was & is a lot of *work* to be done around here. 

 

Takes all kinds of labor (skilled & unskilled, educated, under-educated, etc.) to get it done.

 

 

36 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

Add enslavement + Genocide to the list of factors on the path of super powedom, it is interesting people mention money and military strength, but never genocide, never enslavement, why? why can't they be mentioned along side the others, they are equal or more important in the path to the super powerdom. 

Sure.  Slavery, genocide, exploitation, trafficking, etc., every human ill is woven into the fabric of a wealthy nation.

 

 

36 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

Your adding alot of commercial statements to your prose here. 

I As for the future, I don't know. You are certain, which i think is foolish, to me nothing is more foolish than those who know the future. 

The great thing about dialog/discussion is there is plenty room for hypothesis, speculation, hyperbole, etc. 

 

The discourse does not have to remain literal down to every last work, phrase or belief.