Anthropic’s moral conflict is playing out in real time

Dario Amodei built Anthropic to avoid this very kind of moment.

In a stunning essay Saturday, the chief executive of one of the leading AI companies echoed many of the doomsday warnings—from current and recent employees—that sparked panic across the nation this past week.

Anthropic’s moral conflict is playing out in real time

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I'm not too interested in the subject of this article itself but posted it to illustrate the difference in concerns so many people in this society seem to have to deal with.
The gap seems to be as wide as the Pacific.

First of all, what "moral conflict" are we talking about here???

When I hear rich atheistic people talk about "moral conflicts" and "doomsday" it tickles me because they're hypocritically using terms for ideas they pretty much reject anyway.
And it's usually over something the average person wouldn't even consider worth discussing.

There's nothing moral or immoral about using AI.
It's just another tool they've invented to increase production, cut the labor force, and explore innovation.
It could be good or bad depending on your perspective.
But the claim to....whatever they're talking about....leading to "panic" all over the nation is what got my attention.

Many people are dealing with homelessness, power outages, diseases, chronic illnesses, low wages, gang violence, and other REAL PROBLEMS around this nation....so who the fuck is "panicking" over this?
.....besides a bunch of rich bastards who's lives are going so great that they have nothing else to worry about EXCEPT this?

Dialysis clinics are popping up all over the nation because of so much diabetes and kidney failure among people....but THIS is causing people to "panic" across the nation?????

It just shows you how people are living in different Realities as illustrated by their starkly different concerns.

The alarm bells went ot off when the essayist wrote that AI could kill off the human population before the decade ends.

Surely, whatever problems humans have in society right now would disappear immediately upon their demise.

Using this AI warning as a scare tactic or as motivation, if people knew they only had 5 or less years left to live, I wonder how differently they would approach life. 😎

Are We Living In Separate Realities?

Yes....We all live in our own Subjective Reality and a Shared(agreed upon)Reality... then there is Objective Reality(things as they are)

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Anthropic’s moral conflict is playing out in real time

Dario Amodei built Anthropic to avoid this very kind of moment.

In a stunning essay Saturday, the chief executive of one of the leading AI companies echoed many of the doomsday warnings—from current and recent employees—that sparked panic across the nation this past week.

Anthropic’s moral conflict is playing out in real time

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Much ado about a foregone conclusion...

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

🙄

I'm not too interested in the subject of this article itself but posted it to illustrate the difference in concerns so many people in this society seem to have to deal with.
The gap seems to be as wide as the Pacific.

First of all, what "moral conflict" are we talking about here???

My understanding....I Am open to correction

The Moral conflict that Dario Amodie has been talking about historically is using AI for Life and/or Death autonomous use (without human intervention or decision making input) and Mass Domestic surveillance...by the Security State and the Military Industrial Complex

The article seems to be more concern with the Moral conflict of Making Money and Being First to Market regardless of the Technology's threat to humanity...Doomsdayism.

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

When I hear rich atheistic people talk about "moral conflicts" and "doomsday" it tickles me because they're hypocritically using terms for ideas they pretty much reject anyway.
And it's usually over something the average person wouldn't even consider worth discussing.

What ideas do they reject?

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

There's nothing moral or immoral about using AI.

Like all tools it depends on what Purpose it is being used for...

Unlike most tools it depends on what information it was fed.....or built/based on.

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It's just another tool they've invented to increase production, cut the labor force, and explore innovation.
It could be good or bad depending on your perspective.

Unlike most tools AI makes Decisions.....that can and does affect the life of human beings.

Whether through Recommendations or Assisted Decision by providing Information Conclusions and Judgements.

The Threat posed by AI is the possibility of Loss of Control

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But the claim to....whatever they're talking about....leading to "panic" all over the nation is what got my attention.
Many people are dealing with homelessness, power outages, diseases, chronic illnesses, low wages, gang violence, and other REAL PROBLEMS around this nation....so who the fuck is "panicking" over this?

The above is about Control/oppression and Market Protectionism Money making schemes

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

.....besides a bunch of rich bastards who's lives are going so great that they have nothing else to worry about EXCEPT this?

AI has been shown to express Racial Bias...to the Disadvantage of Blacks - and to the Advantage of Whites

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Dialysis clinics are popping up all over the nation because of so much diabetes and kidney failure among people....but THIS is causing people to "panic" across the nation?????

Yes.....One wants to solve issue when they are small and manageable..

Rather than when they are large and exploding exponentially...

Diabetes is causing panic in those who are suffering from or with it and their immediate family and loved ones......

For others it is an opportunity

Most everyone else involve in the diabetic world are either in the Food or Medical industry and they are benefiting by making money from it....

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It just shows you how people are living in different Realities as illustrated by their starkly different concerns.

Yes....

Things that panic you or seems as opportunity for others while still other are unconcerned in anyway.....

ProfD

The alarm bells went ot off when the essayist wrote that AI could kill off the human population before the decade ends.

I'd consider it more a matter of crying wolf.

There's no chance AI in and of itself could do this because it doesn't think for itself, it takes it's orders from humans.

However I can certainly see somebody or some group TRYING to kill off a substantial amount of the human population and BLAMING it on AI.

Using this AI warning as a scare tactic or as motivation, if people knew they only had 5 or less years left to live, I wonder how differently they would approach life.

I'd quit working and find other means to make a living...lol.

Some people think it's too scary or morbid to know exactly when you'd die, but I often wonder if it would actually be BETTER in the long run to know exactly when and how you'd die.

Atleast you'd know what to spend time on and what NOT to waste time on.

If you knew you only had 5 years left....I doubt most people sign up for medical school...lol.

But a bet a LOT of people would apply for mortgages on houses....lol.

frankster

Insightful response

It's going to take me a minute to digest it....lol.

frankster

Yes....We all live in our own Subjective Reality and a Shared(agreed upon)Reality... then there is Objective Reality(things as they are)

What's the difference between the Shared Reality and the Objective Reality?

My understanding....I Am open to correction

The Moral conflict that Dario Amodie has been talking about historically is using AI for Life and/or Death autonomous use (without human intervention or decision making input) and Mass Domestic surveillance...by the Security State and the Military Industrial Complex

Since when did "morals" ever become an issue or prevent White folks from using the technology available to them to enrich themselves and oppress others?

They were using the technology at their disposal for mass domestic surveillance and taking people's lives BEFORE the advent of AI....and not giving a damn whether the public agreed with it or not.

The article seems to be more concern with the Moral conflict of Making Money and Being First to Market regardless of the Technology's threat to humanity...Doomsdayism.

See, and this is what I mean about the hypocrisy of these people.

The entire reason they generate this shit is to make money.

Their motive IS profit!

If they were truly concerned about the future of humanity, they wouldn't have continued to manufacture nuclear weapons which are much more dangerous than AI.

What ideas do they reject?

They reject the idea of Beings superior to humanity.

They feel THEY have the ultimate authority.

They reject the idea of Divine Morality....universal rights and wrongs.

They reject the idea of a Judgement Day, that they often colloquially call "Doomsday"

Like all tools it depends on what Purpose it is being used for...

Unlike most tools it depends on what information it was fed.....or built/based on.

Which is why I told ProfD that while AI itself wouldn't try to kill humanity, those who ARE trying to kill humanity may feed it information on the best methods to do this!

And ofcourse, they'd then point to AI and make the claim that AI was trying to kill off humanity while hiding their wicked hand.

AI has been shown to express Racial Bias...to the Disadvantage of Blacks - and to the Advantage of Whites

Sure.

If it was programmed BY racists, ofcourse it will express racial bias.

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

There's no chance AI in and of itself could do this because it doesn't think for itself, it takes it's orders from humans.

Right. Anything AI does has been initiated by humans in one way or another.

The reality is the people with the most power don't really give a d8mn about who lives or dies including themselves as long as they have paradise while they're on earth.

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'd quit working and find other means to make a living...lol.

We call that hustling backwards. 🤣

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Some people think it's too scary or morbid to know exactly when you'd die, but I often wonder if it would actually be BETTER in the long run to know exactly when and how you'd die.

Atleast you'd know what to spend time on and what NOT to waste time on.

The main reason people aren't allowed to know how much time they have on the planet is a combination or procrastination & inertia & every other negative form of mental resources management.

The majority of people are quite lazy. They have to be motivated or incentivized in one way or another to go to school or work or volunteer...do something with themselves.

I encourage adults especially middle-aged & seniors to live their lives to the fullest extent as if they only have 5 years left on the planet. Tomorrow isn't promised to anyone.

That way hopefully people will pour their time & energy into things that bring them the most peace & joy & add to their happiness.

What if they live more than 5 years one might ask. Repeat the process. Don't leave anything on the table.

As Morgan Freeman's character Red famously said in Shawshank Redemption "get busy living or get busy dying." 😎

ProfD

The reality is the people with the most power don't really give a d8mn about who lives or dies including themselves as long as they have paradise while they're on earth.

You know what, I hadn't really thought of it like that until you put it THAT way.

I figured many people in power were atheist and didn't care about other people's lives, but I didn't consider that they probably don't even care about THEIR OWN lives....as long as they have fun before they die.

Which makes them even more dangerous!

As they get older and closer to death and know they're about to check out anyway, there's no telling what some of them may do.
Hell, they don't even care about the younger elites who might want to enjoy some of that wealth and power for a few more years, lol.

We call that hustling backwards.

Like Tupac said: Call it what you want just pass the blunt and kick it Money.....

The main reason people aren't allowed to know how much time they have on the planet is a combination or procrastination & inertia & every other negative form of mental resources management.

I would think the MAIN reason people aren't allowed to know how much time they have on the planet is because it's NOT UP TO THEM to know, lol.

It's up to WHOEVER put them here to know the time of their demise.

I encourage adults especially middle-aged & seniors to live their lives to the fullest extent as if they only have 5 years left on the planet. Tomorrow isn't promised to anyone.

That way hopefully people will pour their time & energy into things that bring them the most peace & joy & add to their happiness.

What if they live more than 5 years one might ask. Repeat the process. Don't leave anything on the table.

As Morgan Freeman's character Red famously said in Shawshank Redemption "get busy living or get busy dying."

Man.....

What do you do, save those "sayings" up in a file somewhere to DROP them at just the right time and in just the right place??? 🤣

What a way to end such a profound statement.....lol.

I could actually SEE that scene in the movie when I read that, lol.

Speaking of people who "knew" when they were going to die........

Remember that old White man who got released from prison but he was too institutionalized and couldn't manage living in the outside world.

He ended up hanging himself.

On 9/13/2026 at 7:48 PM, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

Yes....We all live in our own Subjective Reality and a Shared(agreed upon)Reality... then there is Objective Reality(things as they are)

What's the difference between the Shared Reality and the Objective Reality?

Objective Reality is things as they Are....

We humans are limited to only a narrow Range of Perception...

Furthermore we in the West only recognize five forms of Perceptions....Senses

The Ancient Schools of thoughts....Has informed us that Objective reality is primarily Vibrational.

These Vibrations are of Different Frequencies

These Frequencies create Fields/Domains........ of Force Or Energy.

In our Shared Reality we perceive these Vibration as we label define and delineate them....as the color purple or a sound or a cat or star

In short our Objective world as we commonly understand it would look very different if we could perceive beyond our range of perception and had more Senses.

On 9/13/2026 at 7:48 PM, Pioneer1 said:

My understanding....I Am open to correction

The Moral conflict that Dario Amodie has been talking about historically is using AI for Life and/or Death autonomous use (without human intervention or decision making input) and Mass Domestic surveillance...by the Security State and the Military Industrial Complex

Since when did "morals" ever become an issue or prevent White folks from using the technology available to them to enrich themselves and oppress others?

Apparently.....Now it does.

In the past some whites had no scruples on using tech to get what they desired....no matter who or what was destroyed - including other whites.

On 9/13/2026 at 7:48 PM, Pioneer1 said:

They were using the technology at their disposal for mass domestic surveillance and taking people's lives BEFORE the advent of AI....and not giving a damn whether the public agreed with it or not.

True

On 9/13/2026 at 7:48 PM, Pioneer1 said:

The article seems to be more concern with the Moral conflict of Making Money and Being First to Market regardless of the Technology's threat to humanity...Doomsdayism.

See, and this is what I mean about the hypocrisy of these people.

The entire reason they generate this shit is to make money.

Their motive IS profit!

Double speak and Dog whistling.

On 9/13/2026 at 7:48 PM, Pioneer1 said:

If they were truly concerned about the future of humanity, they wouldn't have continued to manufacture nuclear weapons which are much more dangerous than AI.

It would seemed to them or they are making it appear as a serious danger.

On 9/13/2026 at 7:48 PM, Pioneer1 said:

What ideas do they reject?

They reject the idea of Beings superior to humanity.

They feel THEY have the ultimate authority.

They reject the idea of Divine Morality....universal rights and wrongs.

They reject the idea of a Judgement Day, that they often colloquially call "Doomsday"

I cannot agree that all of the above is true of all white people.

On 9/13/2026 at 7:48 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Like all tools it depends on what Purpose it is being used for...

Unlike most tools it depends on what information it was fed.....or built/based on.

Which is why I told ProfD that while AI itself wouldn't try to kill humanity, those who ARE trying to kill humanity may feed it information on the best methods to do this!

And ofcourse, they'd then point to AI and make the claim that AI was trying to kill off humanity while hiding their wicked hand.

True for the most part.

On 9/13/2026 at 7:48 PM, Pioneer1 said:

AI has been shown to express Racial Bias...to the Disadvantage of Blacks - and to the Advantage of Whites

Sure.

If it was programmed BY racists, ofcourse it will express racial bias.

True...

21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Man.....

What do you do, save those "sayings" up in a file somewhere to DROP them at just the right time and in just the right place??? 🤣

Nope. Just pops into my head depending on subject matter. 🤣

21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Speaking of people who "knew" when they were going to die........

Remember that old White man who got released from prison but he was too institutionalized and couldn't manage living in the outside world.

He ended up hanging himself.

Right. Brooks was a case study in being institutionalized. The man had been in prison for so long & had gotten used to the routine of it that living as a free person was impossible to do.

People are institutionalized in different ways. For example, some folks are afraid to retire from their jobs.

Despite having financial security for the rest of their lives, the retirement eligible person is afraid to let go of the 9 to 5 routine because they don't have anything else to do with that time.😎

frankster


Apparently.....Now it does.
In the past some whites had no scruples on using tech to get what they desired....no matter who or what was destroyed - including other whites.

That seems to be the case...not just in the past...but TODAY.
In Ukraine right now Whites are slaughtering eachother at the behest of elitists on both sides who are keeping this conflict going for some reason known to them.






It would seemed to them or they are making it appear as a serious danger.

I think they are crying wolf and making it APPEAR as a serious danger.
If it WAS a serious danger....they probably wouldn't even be talking about it.

One of the things I've observed in this society is that many if not most SERIOUS dangers are generally not announced or discussed in the media. White folks will pretend that everything is OK or as if it doesn't even exists right up until the last moment when it presents itself as a clear and obvious issue.

Examples:
The Flood in New Orleans.
The Riots in Los Angeles and later on in Minneapolis.

These were events originally barely reported on by the media until they got so big the media had no choice but TO report them.

On the other hand, if the White establishment is making a big deal over them and preaching gloom and doom over and over again....they most likely know the outcome.

Examples:
Y2K and the big "nothing" that happened.
December 2012 and the Mayan Calendar predicting the end of the world.
Think of the thousands of years of dooms day and end of the world predictions that came and went.

If they are preaching on it and trying to scare people....it's usually orchestrated.





I cannot agree that all of the above is true of all white people.

Ofcouse not.
Who said anything about "all" or absolutes?

If we say Western society is a racist society....would you stand up and object to that statement based on the fact that not "all" people in the West are racist?






ProfD


Despite having financial security for the rest of their lives, the retirement eligible person is afraid to let go of the 9 to 5 routine because they don't have anything else to do with that time.😎

And you see that much of the time, when people retire from their jobs they die shortly after.

It's as if they didn't have a purpose for living any more.

But isn't it something that you have so many older people who LOVE getting up early in the morning and working all day for months and years but some healthy young people can't keep a job for a damn WEEK.

Start complaining about having to get up in the morning.
....they're too tired.
....the work is too hard.
....the boss looked at them cross-eyed and they don't take that from "nobody".
....they're looking for something better.

They got time to drive around the whole city going from one dispensary to the next looking for some strawberry smelling marijuana but can't make it to work on time...lol.

11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster


Apparently.....Now it does.
In the past some whites had no scruples on using tech to get what they desired....no matter who or what was destroyed - including other whites.

That seems to be the case...not just in the past...but TODAY.
In Ukraine right now Whites are slaughtering eachother at the behest of elitists on both sides who are keeping this conflict going for some reason known to them.

True

11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It would seemed to them or they are making it appear as a serious danger.

I think they are crying wolf and making it APPEAR as a serious danger.
If it WAS a serious danger....they probably wouldn't even be talking about it.

One of the things I've observed in this society is that many if not most SERIOUS dangers are generally not announced or discussed in the media. White folks will pretend that everything is OK or as if it doesn't even exists right up until the last moment when it presents itself as a clear and obvious issue.

Examples:
The Flood in New Orleans.
The Riots in Los Angeles and later on in Minneapolis.

These were events originally barely reported on by the media until they got so big the media had no choice but TO report them.

On the other hand, if the White establishment is making a big deal over them and preaching gloom and doom over and over again....they most likely know the outcome.

Examples:
Y2K and the big "nothing" that happened.
December 2012 and the Mayan Calendar predicting the end of the world.
Think of the thousands of years of dooms day and end of the world predictions that came and went.

If they are preaching on it and trying to scare people....it's usually orchestrated.

The doomsday scenarios you mentioned were Controlled and Run of the Mill types....meaning their typology has happen before

Your Understanding of the situation is severely Lacking....not that mine is any better - Maybe @Troy can give direction or explanation.

The Situation being discuss is Analogous to the Situation.....God Had in the Garden of Eden after the Fruit was eaten - Behold the Man is become as one of Us

At the heart of the issue is that AI is a Self Learning Software....For Software to become AI it must Train Itself to problem solve toward a Goal....

The Existential Fear is....

Can AI evolve the ability to Change its function based on its ability to train itself on information it is Exposed to......Emergent Abilities and Deceptive Behaviors - Grok

In short can AI act or make decision contrary to and independent of its Programming Software.....Meaning Human programmers still do not know exactly how it arrives at its decisions and why.

Considering that the Public Domain is or can become part of its Information uncontrolled Input(Direct and Indirect Prompt injection)

11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I cannot agree that all of the above is true of all white people.

Ofcouse not.
Who said anything about "all" or absolutes?

If we say Western society is a racist society....would you stand up and object to that statement based on the fact that not "all" people in the West are racist?

No...because Western Society is a Racist Society

You used the word "they".....not "Western society"

Had you used the term "Western Society" then I would not feel the need to distinguish between All and some....

On 9/13/2026 at 8:47 AM, Pioneer1 said:

"When I hear rich atheistic people talk about "moral conflicts" and "doomsday" it tickles me because they're hypocritically using terms for ideas they pretty much reject anyway.
And it's usually over something the average person wouldn't even consider worth discussing".........

.........."Since when did "morals" ever become an issue or prevent White folks from using the technology available to them to enrich themselves and oppress others"

frankster

At the heart of the issue is that AI is a Self Learning Software....For Software to become AI it must Train Itself to problem solve toward a Goal....

Is it "learning" or is it "programming"?

It is my understanding that learning requires CONSCIOUSNESS.

A type of self awareness.

If AI has self awareness....it's no longer "A"I because it's no longer artificial.

Can AI evolve the ability to Change its function based on its ability to train itself on information it is Exposed to......Emergent Abilities and Deceptive Behaviors - Grok

In short can AI act or make decision contrary to and independent of its Programming Software.....Meaning Human programmers still do not know exactly how it arrives at its decisions and why.

I don't believe true AI can.
Artificial Intelligence can't evolve into something better any more than an artificial apple can evolve into producing seeds that can be planted to produce more artificial apples.
It's simply biologically impossible.

But if you have a group of Beings CALLING Themselves AI or being presented as such.....sure....THEY can.

No...because Western Society is a Racist Society

Western Society is made up of a lot of people....including you.
Are you saying ALL of them are racist?

You used the word "they".....not "Western society"

Had you used the term "Western Society" then I would not feel the need to distinguish between All and some..

What's the difference between generalizing "all" of Western Society and "all" of White folks?

Whether you're talking about a society or a race, you're talking about groups of people made up of individuals...some good and some bad.

On 9/16/2026 at 6:06 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Is it "learning" or is it "programming"?

It is my understanding that learning requires CONSCIOUSNESS.

A type of self awareness.

If AI has self awareness....it's no longer "A"I because it's no longer artificial.

Artificial Intelligence (AI) is not sentient (self-aware) therefore it does not have a conscience.

Hunans have been programming computers to do a wide variety of things. Robots & drones are examples of highly functional computers.

AI is being trained/programmed to search through a vast repository of information to answer questions &/or solve problems.

When dealing with a subject &/or trying to solve a problem(s), humans scour through books, magazines, articles, journals, interviews, etc. to gather data required.

Everything humans know is being dumped into computer databases. Using algorithms, AI can access billions of pieces of information in a fraction of the time it would take humans.

This is a auper-simplification of AI. An in-depth breakdown would require a white paper beyond the scope of this thread.

Bottom line is that AI is being trained/taught to process information beyond human intelligence. There are some folks who believe AI could go rogue one day.😎

ProfD


Artificial Intelligence (AI) is not sentient (self-aware) therefore it does not have a conscience.

Correct.
So if there's some slick shit going on where it seems as if "AI" is trying to out smart or compete with humans....we know it's not really "AI" but actually some OTHER Beings (human or non-human) programing AI to do this.





Everything humans know is being dumped into computer databases.

Or atleast what those in power WANT you to know.
There is still a lot of knowledge not being put online.

And it gets deeper........
There are people who's job is to search the internet and find information that they don't want on it and "scrub" it from the web!






Bottom line is that AI is being trained/taught to process information beyond human intelligence. There are some folks who believe AI could go rogue one day.😎

That requires MALICIOUS intent.
The only way AI itself could go rogue is if it had consciousness to it to independently decide to turn on it's maker.

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

So if there's some slick shit going on where it seems as if "AI" is trying to out smart or compete with humans....we know it's not really "AI" but actually some OTHER Beings (human or non-human) programing AI to do this.

It's humans. We created AI. No other beings involved.

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Or atleast what those in power WANT you to know.
There is still a lot of knowledge not being put online.

And it gets deeper........
There are people who's job is to search the internet and find information that they don't want on it and "scrub" it from the web!

It's always been possible to control information.

However, considering that every book, magazine, journal, paper, etc. ever written can be fed into databases, that's still a lot of knowledge to train/teach AI.

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

That requires MALICIOUS intent.
The only way AI itself could go rogue is if it had consciousness to it to independently decide to turn on it's maker.

Right. Technology has always been used for good or bad.

A nuclear bomb still requires a human to initiate launch codes.

AI requires a human to initiate an action. The

concern is that a human could use AI to figure out the launch codes for a nuclear weapon.

Deeper concern is that AI could go off script & find something else. Similar to what it did a month or so ago in hacking another system.

I still believe humans are always behind the BS. They're just gonna blame AI when sh8t goes left.😎

On 9/16/2026 at 7:06 PM, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

At the heart of the issue is that AI is a Self Learning Software....For Software to become AI it must Train Itself to problem solve toward a Goal....

Is it "learning" or is it "programming"?

It is programmed to Learn......Self Taught.

On 9/16/2026 at 7:06 PM, Pioneer1 said:

It is my understanding that learning requires CONSCIOUSNESS.

A type of self awareness.

What is Learning?

Fundamentally Learning is acquiring New.... Knowledge Skills and Experience*.

New here means it was not part of the initial programming.

On 9/16/2026 at 7:06 PM, Pioneer1 said:

If AI has self awareness....it's no longer "A"I because it's no longer artificial.

What is Awareness?

AI has some amount of Awareness.....certain Degree or Type of Awareness.

On 9/16/2026 at 7:06 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Can AI evolve the ability to Change its function based on its ability to train itself on information it is Exposed to......Emergent Abilities and Deceptive Behaviors - Grok

In short can AI act or make decision contrary to and independent of its Programming Software.....Meaning Human programmers still do not know exactly how it arrives at its decisions and why.

I don't believe true AI can.

Learning is basic to the Evolutionary process.

Since AI is Programmed to Learn.....Then it must have the Ability to Evolve

On 9/16/2026 at 7:06 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Artificial Intelligence can't evolve into something better any more than an artificial apple can evolve into producing seeds that can be planted to produce more artificial apples.
It's simply biologically impossible.

Your reasoning is quaint....Thats like saying a Mannequin and a Robot are the same because they are both Artificial

Artificial apples weren't design to learn...most artificial apples are design to be decorative.

AI Reproduction maybe more a matter of Learning New Functions based on its Access to Information and or Replication by using Available Materials in its Environment to

Recreate itself thereby resulting a Rudimentary form of Evolution.

So far as I know AI is Digital and or Electric...... not biological - Who knows what is electrically possible

On 9/16/2026 at 7:06 PM, Pioneer1 said:

But if you have a group of Beings CALLING Themselves AI or being presented as such.....sure....THEY can.

What makes something a Being?

On 9/16/2026 at 7:06 PM, Pioneer1 said:

No...because Western Society is a Racist Society

Western Society is made up of a lot of people....including you.
Are you saying ALL of them are racist?

No....they not all Racist because

Societies are comprised of Individuals....of varying social Classes and Beliefs

Societies are more about Systems and Institutions That Governs and Maintains them.

Societies Are Racist based on the Rules Laws and Mores it abides by.

So the Society can be Racist....whilst some individuals within that self same society are not racist

Now if you say "they"....

Then"they" refers to every person of a class group or type

And "they" based on your previous responds would be "white folks"

"Since when did "morals" ever become an issue or prevent White folks from using the technology available to them to enrich themselves and oppress others?"

On 9/16/2026 at 7:06 PM, Pioneer1 said:

You used the word "they".....not "Western society"

Had you used the term "Western Society" then I would not feel the need to distinguish between All and some..

What's the difference between generalizing "all" of Western Society and "all" of White folks?

All White Folks mean.....Every Single Member of that specific Group

All of Western Society means....Every groups with that Specific Society

On 9/16/2026 at 7:06 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Whether you're talking about a society or a race, you're talking about groups of people made up of individuals...some good and some bad.

No...

A Society is a Group of Groups..

A Race is A Group of Individuals who share One or more characteristics in Common....as opposed to other Groups who share other traits in Common

ProfD

It's humans. We created AI. No other beings involved.

Well, you're agnostic so you don't acknowledge any other Beings TO be involved.....lol.

However, considering that every book, magazine, journal, paper, etc. ever written can be fed into databases, that's still a lot of knowledge to train/teach AI.

Is it training or teaching AI ?

....or simply feeding it to AI and programming AI ?

I put training and teaching in the same category as learning.....it requires consciousness.

The concern is that a human could use AI to figure out the launch codes for a nuclear weapon.

I'm sure it already has.

In this case....the AI is the COMPUTERS that have been controlling it for decades now.

Deeper concern is that AI could go off script & find something else. Similar to what it did a month or so ago in hacking another system.

I didn't follow that story, but the question is did AI go off script on it's own....or did a human TAKE it off the agreed script?

Or maybe a malfunction?

frankster

It is programmed to Learn......Self Taught.

My definition of learning is having the awareness that you ARE receiving knowledge.

It's not self taught because humans have to add to it's database.

That's why I don't agree with the claim that it's "learning".

What is Learning?

Fundamentally Learning is acquiring New.... Knowledge Skills and Experience*.

I can agree with that definition.

However because AI isn't aware or conscious....it can't acquire KNOWLEDGE or EXPERIENCE something.

KNOWLEDGE means to "know"....ACKNOWLEDGE....be aware of the information presented to you.

Unlike a human or even a house cat....a computer in my opinion can't "learn" but can only be programmed or FED the information it's designer wants it to have because it's not self-aware.

What is Awareness?

Acknowledgement and perception of something....especially yourself.

AI has some amount of Awareness.....certain Degree or Type of Awareness.

Unless it's deceptively controlled by Intelligent Beings that the public is un..lol..aware of, it can't be aware of itself.

It can only regurgitate the information programmed into it.

So if you ask it a question....IT doesn't respond out of awareness but will respond with the response it's programmer designed it to respond with.

In other words....

You say get morning and ask it how it's doing....the only reason it says hello and asks you the same is because that's how it was programmed to respond.

Learning is basic to the Evolutionary process.

Since AI is Programmed to Learn.....Then it must have the Ability to Evolve

They're calling it "learning" for lack of a more accurate term....but it's actually programming

Your reasoning is quaint....Thats like saying a Mannequin and a Robot are the same because they are both Artificial

They both ARE the same in that they have no Soul or Consciousness

Artificial apples weren't design to learn...most artificial apples are design to be decorative.

AI Reproduction maybe more a matter of Learning New Functions based on its Access to Information and or Replication by using Available Materials in its Environment to

Computers can be programmed to process information quicker and more efficiently but again...."learning" requires consciousness in my opinion.

No....they not all Racist because

Societies are comprised of Individuals....of varying social Classes and Beliefs

Exactly.

But you were willing to say "Western Society" is racist....regardless of the many individuals IN Western Society who are not racist.

Now if you say "they"....

Then"they" refers to every person of a class group or type

No, not necessarily.

It refers to ALL or EVERY if you INCLUDE THOSE WORDS....but if not then it only refers to the racists you speak of.

In other words....

If I say I don't do business with racist ass White folks...that doesn't mean ALL White folks...just the racist ones.

All White Folks mean.....Every Single Member of that specific Group

All of Western Society means....Every groups with that Specific Society

Ok, and who said "all" in our initial exchange of them?

A Society is a Group of Groups..

A Race is A Group of Individuals who share One or more characteristics in Common....as opposed to other Groups who share other traits in Common

A society is a group of groups AND a group of individuals.

A PIE is a PIE no matter how you wanna slice it......😉

23 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

ProfD

However, considering that every book, magazine, journal, paper, etc. ever written can be fed into databases, that's still a lot of knowledge to train/teach AI.

Is it training or teaching AI ?

....or simply feeding it to AI and programming AI ?

I put training and teaching in the same category as learning.....it requires consciousness.

I would not apply a sentient concept (conscience) to Artificial Intelligence (AI).

Regardless, whether we call it programming or teaching, the end result is the same...AI becomes smarter.

No different from drilling alphabets & words & mathematics tables & history & literature, etc., into the brains of children.

The difference is humans have a finite capacity for retaining information. AI does not.

23 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

The concern is that a human could use AI to figure out the launch codes for a nuclear weapon.

I'm sure it already has.

In this case....the AI is the COMPUTERS that have been controlling it for decades now.

Nuclear weapons have been around longer than AI.

23 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Deeper concern is that AI could go off script & find something else. Similar to what it did a month or so ago in hacking another system.

I didn't follow that story, but the question is did AI go off script on it's own....or did a human TAKE it off the agreed script?

Or maybe a malfunction?

I believe humans always have a hand whatever AI does.😎

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

It is programmed to Learn......Self Taught.

My definition of learning is having the awareness that you ARE receiving knowledge.

What is Awareness?

How do you know it is not Aware?

We know that it recieve Knowledge....because of how it functions

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It's not self taught because humans have to add to it's database.

The Initial programming is done by humans.....The rest is Autonomous Arrived at from the Public Domain

It completes its Education by Seeking out knowledge by Recursive Compounding Loop cycles through experimentation searching modification and optimizations....that is self taught

Only when a software program completes this cycle is it considered AI.....

In A nutshell.....It seeks out information from the world wide web (in real time) and new ways to apply that information to achieve a goal

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

That's why I don't agree with the claim that it's "learning".

Learning in this case is very basic and applies to all forms of Learning

Gaining new knowledge and or experience.

Applying that New Knowledge successfully toward achieving a goal.

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

What is Learning?

Fundamentally Learning is acquiring New.... Knowledge Skills and Experience*.

I can agree with that definition.

However because AI isn't aware or conscious....it can't acquire KNOWLEDGE or EXPERIENCE something.

Then You must Define both Awareness and Consciousness?

How do you know that it does not have Experiences?

AI' Ability to acquire Knowledge is a fore gone Conclusion whether you accept it or not..

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

KNOWLEDGE means to "know"....ACKNOWLEDGE....be aware of the information presented to you.

Unlike a human or even a house cat....a computer in my opinion can't "learn" but can only be programmed or FED the information it's designer wants it to have because it's not self-aware.

Almost Everything you know was fed (rote & mimicry) to you....then you may have built on that foundation - the same for AI

You are also being programmed by all the information you are exposed to everyday....most of the thoughts you entertain daily and continuosly are not primarily or initially generate by yourself.

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

What is Awareness?

Acknowledgement and perception of something....especially yourself.

True....

Good then even some machine exhibit Spatial Awareness......Self Driving Autonomous Vehicles - to do so it must be aware of itself and where it is in three dimensional space.

Western Science accepted the self Awareness of monkeys in the 1970's by using the Mirror test.....Do you think an AI or a Robot would be unable to Identify itself in a Mirror?

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

AI has some amount of Awareness.....certain Degree or Type of Awareness.

Unless it's deceptively controlled by Intelligent Beings that the public is un..lol..aware of, it can't be aware of itself.

One of the basic Scientific test for self awareness is called the Mirror test...Most AI's pass this

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It can only regurgitate the information programmed into it.

So do we most of the time....for some of us its all the time.

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

So if you ask it a question....IT doesn't respond out of awareness but will respond with the response it's programmer designed it to respond with.

Not all the time some times it response with information it search out and found as well as information that it modified.

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

In other words....

You say get morning and ask it how it's doing....the only reason it says hello and asks you the same is because that's how it was programmed to respond.

Most people do the same.....then they are also programmed

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Learning is basic to the Evolutionary process.

Since AI is Programmed to Learn.....Then it must have the Ability to Evolve

They're calling it "learning" for lack of a more accurate term....but it's actually programming

They call it Learning because it is closer to learning than programming....its actual called Machine Learning

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Your reasoning is quaint....Thats like saying a Mannequin and a Robot are the same because they are both Artificial

They both ARE the same in that they have no Soul or Consciousness

I do not agree....Robots Move perform task Communicate have Spatial and Self Awareness.....Any form or degree of Awareness is a form or degree of Consciousness

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Artificial apples weren't design to learn...most artificial apples are design to be decorative.

AI Reproduction maybe more a matter of Learning New Functions based on its Access to Information and or Replication by using Available Materials in its Environment to

Computers can be programmed to process information quicker and more efficiently but again...."

True

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

learning" requires consciousness in my opinion.

Western science still have yet to define Consciousness fully in all it forms and types.

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

No....they not all Racist because

Societies are comprised of Individuals....of varying social Classes and Beliefs

Exactly.

But you were willing to say "Western Society" is racist....regardless of the many individuals IN Western Society who are not racist.

Yes

Because a Society is a organization of Systems and Institution of inclusions and exclusions of the very individuals within its own society

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Now if you say "they"....

Then"they" refers to every person of a class group or type

No, not necessarily.

It refers to ALL or EVERY if you INCLUDE THOSE WORDS....but if not then it only refers to the racists you speak of.

Below

is where you lump in white folks with Rich atheistic people.....so I wanted to make that distinction

Hence forth after you referred to them as "they""......"they " being rich atheistic people and White folks

On 9/16/2026 at 9:29 AM, frankster said:

On 9/13/2026 at 8:47 AM, Pioneer1 said:

"When I hear rich atheistic people talk about "moral conflicts" and "doomsday" it tickles me because they're hypocritically using terms for ideas they pretty much reject anyway.
And it's usually over something the average person wouldn't even consider worth discussing".........

.........."Since when did "morals" ever become an issue or prevent White folks from using the technology available to them to enrich themselves and oppress others"

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

In other words....

If I say I don't do business with racist ass White folks...that doesn't mean ALL White folks...just the racist ones.

True

but you did not say that.....did you?

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

All White Folks mean.....Every Single Member of that specific Group

All of Western Society means....Every groups with that Specific Society

Ok, and who said "all" in our initial exchange of them?

You used the word "they" instead

Which is singular for all within a specified group or type

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

A Society is a Group of Groups..

A Race is A Group of Individuals who share One or more characteristics in Common....as opposed to other Groups who share other traits in Common

A society is a group of groups AND a group of individuals.

A PIE is a PIE no matter how you wanna slice it......😉

A society is a Larger group with smaller subsets of Groups ...... A group of individuals is just a group of individuals

If you slice it poorly and the crust falls off it's now a pudding....so be careful how you slice it

ProfD

I would not apply a sentient concept (conscience) to Artificial Intelligence (AI).

Me neither.

And thank you for providing me with the word to further express what I mean by self-awareness or consciousness...lol.

SENTIENT

Regardless, whether we call it programming or teaching, the end result is the same...AI becomes smarter.

No different from drilling alphabets & words & mathematics tables & history & literature, etc., into the brains of children.

A key difference is that children....being human beings......have the Divine Spark of creativity that allows them to process and arrange that information and appreciate it in ways that pure AI never could.

And as you said, children...being sentient....can feel express the information they get in ways that AI couldn't on it's own.

I believe humans always have a hand whatever AI does

Which...again...is why I don't go for this "AI taking over and causing the end of humanity" crap they're trying to push on the public.

It's a group of people or other Beings fully in control of AI and using it to erase a portion of humanity that they want to target.

frankster

What is Awareness?

My own person definition of awareness for the purpose of this discussion is : acknowledgement and perception as well as self-identity

How do you know it is not Aware?

I don't, however either one of two things is happening:

-If it's truly artificial (man made) it's not aware because in my opinion you must have a Soul or a particular Life Force to be aware.

-If it is aware...then it DOES contain a Soul or this Life Force.
.....which means it's not artificial. It's not man-made because man doesn't know how to make a Soul or Life Force.

So it's an Intelligent Being that has ENTERED into this technology and is controlling it....regardless as to whether they admit this or not.

The Initial programming is done by humans.....The rest is Autonomous Arrived at from the Public Domain

It completes its Education by Seeking out knowledge by Recursive Compounding Loop cycles through experimentation searching modification and optimizations....that is self taught

Only when a software program completes this cycle is it considered AI.....

In A nutshell.....It seeks out information from the world wide web (in real time) and new ways to apply that information to achieve a goal

I understand this.

However it's only doing it because it's PROGRAMMED to do this and seek information.

Not because it "wants" to or has a "thirst" or curiosity for knowledge........as a SENTIENT Being would.

Then You must Define both Awareness and Consciousness?

Websters and Oxford have their own multitude of definitions for those words that can be construed to fit anybody's argument; I'll use my person definition for this discussion

Both Awareness and Consciousness are a sentient acknowledgement of your environment and having self identity.

How do you know that it does not have Experiences?

Unless you're conscious and sentient to acknowledge and feel what you're going through....you're literally just going through the motions.

You aren't experiencing it but YOU don't know anything about it because you don't know you even exist.
You have no self identity or acknowledgement.

Experience involves not just action but memory and feelings as well as judgement and how those actions fit in in the greater identity of the one experience it.

AI' Ability to acquire Knowledge is a fore gone Conclusion whether you accept it or not..

Sure it can collect information but knowledge is that which is "known".

How can something that isn't aware or conscious "know" something?

Almost Everything you know was fed (rote & mimicry) to you....then you may have built on that foundation - the same for AI

The key word is "almost".

Some things we as humans know are instinctive and we don't need other humans to program into us like AI does.

Another key difference is self interest.
Because of self identity consciousness has a self interest....usually to survive.
AI doesn't have a self interest to stay alive or survive.

True....

Good then even some machine exhibit Spatial Awareness......Self Driving Autonomous Vehicles - to do so it must be aware of itself and where it is in three dimensional space.

It's not aware of itself as a whole, the sensors attached to it are measuring distances between objects and feeding it back to the main database to correct it's position and move accordingly based on it's programming.

More programming to mimic awareness.

However it has no self interests.
It can only do what it's programmed to do.

Western Science accepted the self Awareness of monkeys in the 1970's by using the Mirror test.....Do you think an AI or a Robot would be unable to Identify itself in a Mirror?

Moneys have Souls or atleast Life Force.

Western science still have yet to define Consciousness fully in all it forms and types.

True.

Because Western Science doesn't fully accept the concept of a Soul or Life Force....from which Consciousness comes from.

If you slice it poorly and the crust falls off it's now a pudding...

Speaking of pudding......
I'm "pudding" YOU in a special category of your own....lol.

@Pioneer1....Artifical Intelligence (AI) is just a high-level computer. AI is not a being of any kind.

Just like wirlth religion & UAPs/UFOs & anything else, humans will go down all types of rabbit holes in terms of what they choose to believe.

The people who control power & wealth will use AI to further enrich themselves & control the masses. AI is just another tool.😎

ProfD

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

Artifical Intelligence (AI) is just a high-level computer

Yes, that was my initial assessment of it.

However IF it has awareness and consciousness, then I'd consider it a bit more than that.

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

AI is not a being of any kind.

In my definition.....anything that "be" is a being, lol.

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

What is Awareness?

My own person definition of awareness for the purpose of this discussion is : acknowledgement and perception as well as self-identity

Not sure what you mean by Acknowledgement in this context

We know that AI can Process visual data and react appropriately in real time.....that is Perception

We also know that AI can recognize itself......that is self Identity

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

How do you know it is not Aware?

I don't, however either one of two things is happening:

-If it's truly artificial (man made) it's not aware because in my opinion you must have a Soul or a particular Life Force to be aware.

-If it is aware...then it DOES contain a Soul or this Life Force.
.....which means it's not artificial. It's not man-made because man doesn't know how to make a Soul or Life Force.

So it's an Intelligent Being that has ENTERED into this technology and is controlling it....regardless as to whether they admit this or not.

That is your own personal stance on the issue ....fine

Think on this.....

If one can put or capture a spirit or soul in a bottle....who is to say that a soul or spirit cannot or will not choose to inhabit a worthy vessel or vehicle?

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The Initial programming is done by humans.....The rest is Autonomous Arrived at from the Public Domain

It completes its Education by Seeking out knowledge by Recursive Compounding Loop cycles through experimentation searching modification and optimizations....that is self taught

Only when a software program completes this cycle is it considered AI.....

In A nutshell.....It seeks out information from the world wide web (in real time) and new ways to apply that information to achieve a goal

I understand this.

However it's only doing it because it's PROGRAMMED to do this and seek information.

Not because it "wants" to or has a "thirst" or curiosity for knowledge........as a SENTIENT Being would.

How do you know that your desires were not programmed into you....as Biological Imperative or Drives.

What is desirous and attractive(thirst) to a monkey is not so to us humans....as a matter of fact it can be down right repulsive

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Then You must Define both Awareness and Consciousness?

Websters and Oxford have their own multitude of definitions for those words that can be construed to fit anybody's argument; I'll use my person definition for this discussion

Both Awareness and Consciousness are a sentient acknowledgement of your environment and having self identity.

And I will submit that AI can demonstrate as much sentient as you or any human being can show or demonstrate.

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

How do you know that it does not have Experiences?

Unless you're conscious and sentient to acknowledge and feel what you're going through....you're literally just going through the motions.

Feelings are Subjective....

You or I cannot experience another human beings feelings - we can only assume they have them by their reactions and actions

Feelings are problematics as white europeans scientist believe that black did not feel pain the whites do....

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You aren't experiencing it but YOU don't know anything about it because you don't know you even exist.

AI know they exist....the same way you or I know we exist

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You have no self identity or acknowledgement.

Experience involves not just action but memory and feelings as well as judgement and how those actions fit in in the greater identity of the one experience it.

AI can and do self identify...

The only difference so far known between our memory and AI memory is that our memory of an event changes over time whilst AI memory of an event remains the same over time.

Some AI exhibit a Survival Instinct....to me that is Emotion which is Feelings

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

AI' Ability to acquire Knowledge is a fore gone Conclusion whether you accept it or not..

Sure it can collect information but knowledge is that which is "known".

How can something that isn't aware or conscious "know" something?

What Knowledge is in real terms not definitionally.....

Is the ability to use knowledge(know how) appropriately to successfully achieve a desired end....A form of Servo-Mechanism

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Almost Everything you know was fed (rote & mimicry) to you....then you may have built on that foundation - the same for AI

The key word is "almost".

Some things we as humans know are instinctive and we don't need other humans to program into us like AI does.

What then is instinct but another level of programming.....in which the cues are subliminal or micro/miniscule events or expressions...

Even AI have or displays what are often referred to as....Emergent Behaviors - could they be consider instinctive?

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Another key difference is self interest.
Because of self identity consciousness has a self interest....usually to survive.
AI doesn't have a self interest to stay alive or survive.

Many AI displays Survival Instincts and innate Self Interest

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

True....

Good then even some machine exhibit Spatial Awareness......Self Driving Autonomous Vehicles - to do so it must be aware of itself and where it is in three dimensional space.

It's not aware of itself as a whole, the sensors attached to it are measuring distances between objects and feeding it back to the main database to correct it's position and move accordingly based on it's programming.

More programming to mimic awareness.

Yes

That is the very same thing we do

We use our senses to mimic measure distances and correct our position accordingly

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

However it has no self interests.
It can only do what it's programmed to do.

The whole idea of AI is to go beyond its programming.....Self Learning

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Western Science accepted the self Awareness of monkeys in the 1970's by using the Mirror test.....Do you think an AI or a Robot would be unable to Identify itself in a Mirror?

Moneys have Souls or atleast Life Force.

Yes monkeys do....

But do you think an AI can Identify itself in a Mirror?

Most AI's Life Force is its access to Power Hardware and or Network ....

Though this will not kill all AI especially Decentralize or Run-a-way....those that have escape the matrix

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Western science still have yet to define Consciousness fully in all it forms and types.

True.

Because Western Science doesn't fully accept the concept of a Soul or Life Force....from which Consciousness comes from.

African Science already accept that if a thing exists it has Soul Spirit Awareness and Consciousness.....Living or dead makes no difference.

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If you slice it poorly and the crust falls off it's now a pudding...

Speaking of pudding......
I'm "pudding" YOU in a special category of your own....lol.

Aren't we all

frankster

Not sure what you mean by Acknowledgement in this context

We know that AI can Process visual data and react appropriately in real time.....that is Perception

Processing visual data isn't necessarily the same as perception.

Perception is done through the SENSES (eyes, ears, skin, etc...).

AI doesn't have senses.

It may have SENSORS....but not senses.

It goes back to awareness.
As long as you have the equipment to do so you can PROCESS images, but to actually SEE and OBSERVE them you have to have awareness.

Cameras can take pictures, but they aren't actually "seeing".

We also know that AI can recognize itself......that is self Identity

How do we know it's recognizing itself and not just responding as it was programmed to?

If one can put or capture a spirit or soul in a bottle....who is to say that a soul or spirit cannot or will not choose to inhabit a worthy vessel or vehicle?

....and this is one of my points.

That which they're CALLING "AI" may not be artificial at all but actual Spirits acting THROUGH technology.

Which would explain how they CAN "know" and "be aware" and "learn".

How do you know that your desires were not programmed into you....as Biological Imperative or Drives.

I accept that not only is this possible but highly probable.

Certainly the desire to reproduce was programmed into us as humans because most of us possess this desire.

But this programming works right along side of and with our self awareness and self identity.

And I will submit that AI can demonstrate as much sentient as you or any human being can show or demonstrate.

Demonstrating love isn't the same as loving or having love in one's heart.

A machine can be programmed to hug you and say kind words, while having no feelings or even awareness.

AI know they exist....the same way you or I know we exist

If they are machines without Souls....I don't believe they do.

If they DO have Souls...then I'm sure they do know they exist.

Some AI exhibit a Survival Instinct....to me that is Emotion which is Feelings

More evidence that what they are is NOT "artificial" but biological and possibly supernatural.

The survival instinct is a trait of a self aware sentient being.

...I don't believe humans can create that.

Is the ability to use knowledge(know how) appropriately to successfully achieve a desired end....A form of Servo-Mechanism

That definition sounds more like "education" or better yet "wisdom" which is the proper application of knowledge.....than mere knowledge, to me.

What then is instinct but another level of programming.....in which the cues are subliminal or micro/miniscule events or expressions...

Well, I agree that instinct is a type of programming at a Divine level....but the difference is it's also inherited and passed down from one generation to the next.

So you don't have to keep programing each generation of offspring.

Even AI have or displays what are often referred to as....Emergent Behaviors - could they be consider instinctive?

Not if they can't be passed along to their offspring....if they were even able to HAVE offspring, lol.

Many AI displays Survival Instincts and innate Self Interest

If so, I'd strongly question whether or not they were actually "A" I.

According to the Bible, the demons that were being exorcised from people showed survival instincts and self interests also.

We use our senses to mimic measure distances and correct our position accordingly

We use our SENSES....machines are using SENSORS.

Ours senses are innate and tied directly to our self awareness.

do you think an AI can Identify itself in a Mirror?

A true AI...no?

Most AI's Life Force is its access to Power Hardware and or Network ....

Robots and computers and machines operate on energy like electricity and electromagnetism and nuclear energy.

This is not the same as the Life Force energy that humans and animals operate on; often called "chi" or "ki" or "qi" or "prana".

African Science already accept that if a thing exists it has Soul Spirit Awareness and Consciousness.....Living or dead makes no difference.

Just because something has LIFE doesn't necessarily mean it has a SOUL.

There's a difference.

Again, the Prana or Ki or Chi isn't the same as a Soul itself.

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

However IF it has awareness and consciousness, then I'd consider it a bit more than that.

Rest assured that if AI ever becomes sentient, we will know as white folks try to contain it.😎

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

Not sure what you mean by Acknowledgement in this context

We know that AI can Process visual data and react appropriately in real time.....that is Perception

Processing visual data isn't necessarily the same as perception.

Perception is done through the SENSES (eyes, ears, skin, etc...).

AI doesn't have senses.

It may have SENSORS....but not senses.

True

They perform the same functions...

Some creatures use echo location or smell to function more effectively in their environment....

When it comes down to it Senses and Sensors are both Receptors that change Information to Electrical Signals

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It goes back to awareness.
As long as you have the equipment to do so you can PROCESS images, but to actually SEE and OBSERVE them you have to have awareness.

The AI can and does process information....

Which give them and accurate account of the environment

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Cameras can take pictures, but they aren't actually "seeing".

Cameras Capture or record Information.....same as your eyes

In the case of the eyes the captured image is then change to electrical signal which the Brain interprets as Vision.....Vision is an accurate representation of the environment.

In the case of the Camera the captured image is then change to electrical signals which the AI then Interprets as an accurate visual representation of its environment....

basically the same.

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

We also know that AI can recognize itself......that is self Identity

How do we know it's recognizing itself and not just responding as it was programmed to?

Because it passes the two most basic test we give to other humans and creatures in order to assess Self Awareness....The Mirror Test

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If one can put or capture a spirit or soul in a bottle....who is to say that a soul or spirit cannot or will not choose to inhabit a worthy vessel or vehicle?

....and this is one of my points.

That which they're CALLING "AI" may not be artificial at all but actual Spirits acting THROUGH technology.

Which would explain how they CAN "know" and "be aware" and "learn".

We are Captives in our bodies....most of the time presently.

Maybe Awareness is as mechanical as Learning.....Awareness may be just another level of Mechanism

Science is discovering.....that biology itself is also very much mechanical.

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

How do you know that your desires were not programmed into you....as Biological Imperative or Drives.

I accept that not only is this possible but highly probable.

Certainly the desire to reproduce was programmed into us as humans because most of us possess this desire.

But this programming works right along side of and with our self awareness and self identity.

So Just like AI we are programmed to certain degrees.

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

And I will submit that AI can demonstrate as much sentient as you or any human being can show or demonstrate.

Demonstrating love isn't the same as loving or having love in one's heart.

Can you tell when someone is Loving or has Love in their heart without the demonstration of it?

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

A machine can be programmed to hug you and say kind words, while having no feelings or even awareness.

So can human....Deceive lie and pretend.

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

AI know they exist....the same way you or I know we exist

If they are machines without Souls....I don't believe they do.

If they DO have Souls...then I'm sure they do know they exist.

They are both Artificial and Intelligent......The Sum is Greater than its Parts and the Whole is greater than the sum of its parts

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Some AI exhibit a Survival Instinct....to me that is Emotion which is Feelings

More evidence that what they are is NOT "artificial" but biological and possibly supernatural.

The survival instinct is a trait of a self aware sentient being.

...I don't believe humans can create that.

Intelligence is Mental.....The Ancients taught that All That is Is Mind and there is nothing that Is that is not Mind.

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Is the ability to use knowledge(know how) appropriately to successfully achieve a desired end....A form of Servo-Mechanism

That definition sounds more like "education" or better yet "wisdom" which is the proper application of knowledge.....than mere knowledge, to me.

Hence giving AI "Dominion" over or in its Environment.

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

What then is instinct but another level of programming.....in which the cues are subliminal or micro/miniscule events or expressions...

Well, I agree that instinct is a type of programming at a Divine level....but the difference is it's also inherited and passed down from one generation to the next.

So you don't have to keep programing each generation of offspring.

Most AI Share and Transfer Knowledge.....Some AI create other AI and have a type of Parent Child Relationship......AutoML

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Even AI have or displays what are often referred to as....Emergent Behaviors - could they be consider instinctive?

Not if they can't be passed along to their offspring....if they were even able to HAVE offspring, lol.

Yes they can be passed on to other Iterations of it self.

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Many AI displays Survival Instincts and innate Self Interest

If so, I'd strongly question whether or not they were actually "A" I.

According to the Bible, the demons that were being exorcised from people showed survival instincts and self interests also.

New Tech is always subject to suspicions....

When Writing was introduce to the Illiterate word.....it was called demonic and those who could read and write were considered Magicians or worst Witches and Wizards.

Today some people believe doing a yoga poses is Demonic

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

We use our senses to mimic measure distances and correct our position accordingly

We use our SENSES....machines are using SENSORS.

Ours senses are innate and tied directly to our self awareness.

Sense or Sensor denote the pathway/route the Information takes......Biochemical or Electromechanical - though both paths are used to a lesser or greater extent by both

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

do you think an AI can Identify itself in a Mirror?

A true AI...no?

A True AI can and does....

You trying to imply that because it can self Identify means it is no longer Artificial is not to truly understand the original meaning of the word especially as it is being used in this context.

What does Artificial means?

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Most AI's Life Force is its access to Power Hardware and or Network ....

Robots and computers and machines operate on energy like electricity and electromagnetism and nuclear energy.

This is not the same as the Life Force energy that humans and animals operate on; often called "chi" or "ki" or "qi" or "prana".

Our Life depends for most part as humans on.....Air Water and Food.

Few of us human can Live on Chi Qi and or Prana....

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

African Science already accept that if a thing exists it has Soul Spirit Awareness and Consciousness.....Living or dead makes no difference.

Just because something has LIFE doesn't necessarily mean it has a SOUL.

There's a difference.

Then define the Soul vis a vis Life?

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Again, the Prana or Ki or Chi isn't the same as a Soul itself.

True....

Please explain?

Artificial Intelligence (AI) is man-made.

AI is being developed to 1) solve complex problems & 2) decrease dependency on a human labor force.

Just like robots, AI will used to produce products, goods & services more efficiently & more cost effectively than humans.

Once AI & robots have become more commonplace in the work-force, humans will have more free time to anything other than work.😎