ProfD

While we await being told the truth as requested by brotha Pioneer, I present the following for those playing along at home:

The short answer to the question is that a civilization is a complex system (social, economic, political, etc.) of human beings working together in order to produce results.

This game is an excellent way of learning how to bulid and maintain a civilization.

38 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

ProfD

Well.....
Let me come at you THIS way........

Wouldn't you like to know WHICH men around you had a propensity for wearing women's clothing?

Wouldn't you like to know exactly WHICH men around you found you SEXUALLY attractive and might hit on you?

Or would you like them to keep it a secret,  keep it on the down-low; and you end up finding out the "hard" way?
....pun intended, lol.

It does not matter to me whether a man has a propensity for wearing women's clothing nor if he's attacted.  I'm secure within my own manhood.

Physically, I'm not the type of dude the average fairy guy wants to "try" unless he's ready to die. 

Besides, most alphabet soup dudes kinda know who they can either approach and/or take advantage of with that BS.  

That's why it's important to overthrow the system of white supremacy and replace it with a system of justice and correctness.  

12 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

My point is, I hear what you're saying....but it's a slippery slope.

The questions you raise are valid.  Your signaure line answers it...no more confusion. 

Regardless of how one chooses to dress and/or accessorize, we should never have to guess and/or be unclear about the individual's gender.

Before it comes up, I know Scottish men wear skirts, er, kilts,  That's their problem.  

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

As an American, I support freedom of expression per the Constitution.
 

They do them....I do me

 

.Would you make a law against it and make it ILLEGAL for men to dress like women and women to dress like men?

Yo bro, I know you didn't ask me but yes, I would make it illegal for men to dress like women and vice versa. 

Freedom of expression is exactly how we are ending up with more confusion. 

Heaven forbid i live long enough to take up residence at the Sunrise Assisted Living Facility (SALF). 

The last thing I want is a Rasputia looking dude with spider eyelashes changing my diaper or bed pan. 

Thankfully, as an alpha-male, I'd take myself out before that could happen. 

But, the point remains the same...folks need to  present themselves in the image the Supreme Being created them. 

Tricks are for kids.

11 hours ago, Mzuri said:

 

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We owe China a debt we will never be able to repay.

 

And this is how the U.S. Government plans to fund Joe Biden's spending plan.

 

Trillion-dollar platinum coin could be minted at the last minute

 

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I find it amusing that anything can be used for currency (wood chips, bronze, silver, stocks, bonds, bitcoin, crypto, etc.) 

Gold was the standard for a long time.  Now a platinum coin the size of a quarter or silver dollar could be worth a trillion.  Just because they said so. 

For grins and giggles, I would love to see Jeff Bezos ask that $50B (billion) in cash be dropped off in his front yard.  I wonder how long it would take  to round up and deliver the paper.

Of course, I already know the answer.  They can't because it doesn't exist.  As POTUS GWB Jr. famously said, it's a house of cards. 

Here in the US, folks are mainly divided into two camps politically...Democrat or Republican (GOP). 

On the surface it looks like the two parties have different platforms (liberal or conservative).  Yet, they share the same ideology which is the maintenance of white supremacy.

Both parties are juggling balls i.e. platform issues.  While folks are pre-occupied with the balls in the air, they're not watching the sleight of hand tricks happening below.

i've never been under the illusion that either party has ever given a d8mn about the peple.  Both parties make decisions based on what's good for business.  That is the business of maintaining white supremacy.

Regardless of who occupies the White House, they are two sides of the same coin.  Follow the money.

POTUS PJB (Papa Joe Biden) is the flip side of the same coin once occupied by Agent Orange.  Different agenda.  Same paymasters. 

4 hours ago, Delano said:

I much prefer truth.

Getting the truth is a matter of asking the *right* questions. 

Find the most qualified people capable of providing answers backed by evidence as necessary to your questions. 

30 years ago,  when Rodney King got his azz whupped on video, I thought it was an open and shut case. Nope. 

Fast forward to present where cameras are everywhere (light poles, cell phones, police body and, etc.). Yet, we've been told not to believe our lying eyes when folks get choked or shot.

Mayor Lightfoot wants swift justice. DA Foxx has to follow the science, er, evidence in order to build her case.

If mayor Lori wanted to be a prosecutor, s/he should've stayed on that job. Otherwise, s/he needs to let DA Kim handle that.

These n8gglets make black folks look bad trying to one up each other in proving they can do massa's work.

China owns a huge amount of the US debt. The US doesn't really want the Chinese to call in those markers.

So, in defiance, the US likes to saber rattle in showing its military strength. It's like Deebo owing you money and flexing at the same time:

China has already shown the US how WWIII will go down. It won't be a military fight. Think biological warfare. Pandemic. 

25 minutes ago, Delano said:

What have you seen to make you think it will get better. And I commend your efforts. I wonder if there is different between hope and delusion

My rational mind agrees with your rationale about black folks in America. I'm keeping hope alive. I cannot be delusional.

6 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'd really like a NON-RELIGIOUS organization to be in charge of keeping law and order and peace in our communities.

Absolutely.

The movement has to be positive and progressive in keeping folks on code without beating them upside the head from a moral or spiritual perspective. No need for a Santa Claus either. 

Folks will "do the right thing" if they're being fed well on all levels (mental, physical and spiritual). 

Marcus Garvey was definitely on to something especially considering he inspired Kwame Nkrumah who only went on to become the most revered man in Ghana.

It's my belief that white supremacy has diluted AfroAmericans so much in expanding the illusion of a middle class that black folks don't see the need for a movement.

It's hard to tell these n8gglets white supremacy is alive and well. They're looking at the houses and vehicles in the driveways around us and giving me the side eye like....

To that end, it's going to take a major event to awaken the sociopolitical conscience of our people. 

Black folks are known to bring flavor, flair and creativity to everything we touch from food to the arts, sports, entertainment,  fashion, etc.

When we hit, it's fire but when we miss, we're straight on our heads.

A black man designed the Chrysler 300 car. That sh8t sold like hotcakes and became the  modern day Cadillac. Not my thing but the old  school playas loved it. 

But, these bonnets, shower caps, pajamas, Crocs, mismatched socks, skinny jeans and eyelashes  that look like spiders and dudes putting black shoe polish on their head and facial hair. Don't get me started or should I continue...

7 hours ago, Mzuri said:

Why would they embrace a book that is critical of their industry?

Right. The equivalent of throwing rocks at the window hoping to get into a party without an invitation. 

Yet, it doesn't stop black folks from trying to force white folks to pay attention to and/or validate them. Pathetic. 

6 minutes ago, Delano said:

There's no solution for Blacks in America. It is what has always been. A few will thrive , some will get back and others fighting to survive.

Brotha, my rational mind knows better.

But, in my eternal optimism, I may be hopelessly delusional in believing I'll live to see AfroAmericans become less dysfunctional and more constructive.

In the meantime, I'll keep up my ministry. If I can reach one, that's a start. 

Pioneer, you're right. I truly do get it.

The NOI has to take care of itself. The organization is there if/when folks need that level of mental and physical discipline.

Dudes like myself have to keep encouraging the lost and wayward to "find a program" in order to do better for themselves which could mean joining an organization like the NOI or at least adopting the mentality.

I just know that it's going to take a lot to course correct the ship. That's after we toss the dead weight and perishable goods.

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

These negroes are little more than puppets for the White folks who REALLY run the show and control things in city hall and the state capital.

If Black people expect to change things, it has to start from the grassroots.  From the ground up.  Like we said, LOCAL POLITICS.
That means putting OUR OWN hand picked politicians in.

Facts. As discussed, our folks need to grow up politically. 

3 hours ago, Cynique said:

@ProfDYes, Chicago's finest, Herbie Hancock,  has earned jazz immortality! along with his homeboy  Quincy Jones, and home girl Chaka Khan, a favorite of Fred Hampton who is from my suburb of Chicago hometown..    

 

Here is a cut from the album that launched Dave Brubeck into the jazz stratosphere. This is what woke up the 1950s silent generation and lured the "gray boys" away from Pat Boone and Elvis Presley. The R&B crowd at least tolerated him  and, for better or for worse. he's worth listening to if you're a jazz buff.  Saxophonist Paul Desmond was also underrated. Anyway, does this sound like "smooth jazz" or "cafe music" to you? 

 

Chaka Khan is my favorite singer.

The last time I attended Taste of Chicago, Chaka and Stevie Wonder (another favorite of mine) were performers. They were awesome.

Chaka, Herbie, Quincy, Curtis Mayfield, Gil Scott-Heron, etc., Chicago stand up. 

Dave Brubeck and Paul Desmond would have been perfect playing in Starbucks across the country. Their music wasn't sonic diabetes but cafe music for sho.

2 hours ago, Cynique said:

My divorce from the black race is final.  I am no longer wed to this sprawling entity reeling under the spell of the "what black folks need to do" mantra...

 

Anyway, feel free to bid me a rousing good riddance!

My sista, I'm new around here but I thoroughly appreciate the dialog you have engaged with me.

I'm guilty of suggesting what black folks need to do but I think it's a necessary dialog too. 

I would hope that you'll hang in a while longer. We've got more music to discuss.

Yeah bro, in addition to bonnets and shower caps, n8gglets (male and female) down in these parts are wearing pajamas out in public too.

I'm wondering how f8cking lazy can you be to jump outta bed and get into a car and show up at the grocery store in night clothes.

Then, the dudes pants are sagging to the point that if they're wearing a belt it is around their thighs.

That's when I'm wishing a dude who just did 20 long in the penalty box  rolled up on these crash dummies...I see your ad slim, what up doe:

I can only shake my head when it comes to the fashion sense or lack thereof among my people.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

If the city of Chicago is serious about protecting it's citizens then they'd PAY the FOI to secure the projects like they did in the past.

But it's not the obligation of the FOI or any other private organization to do the work of the police, even if they can...and they can....do a better job.

The Nation of Islam doesn't have the man power or resources and quite frankly doesn't have the DUTY to save self-destructive thugs, dope addicts, and gangsters from slaughtering eachother if that what they CHOOSE to do after "knowledge of self" has come to them.
 
But in MY opinion (and I could be wrong) but as long as the Nation of Islam is keeping THEMSELVES safe and guarding THEIR property and can eat and own businesses and be successful.  
 

Point taken.  Self-preservation and self-interest usually win out every time. 

But, if there is a desire to help dysfunctional AfroAmericans "get right", the village has to take responsibility in cleaning it up.   That includes the  talented 10% of our population (individuals and organizations). 

Otherwise, if AfroAmericans of all stripes aren't going to hold themselves accountable for killing each other, there is no reason to grumble, complain, cry and march when racists do the same thing. 

Also to your point:

The city of Chicago has a black mayor. They have a huge police force.  If they really wanted to reduce the crime rate, they could wipe out the thugs in less than 30 days.

Of course, that could never happen.  It would be bad business within the system of white supremacy. Dysfunctional people are the fertilizer that fuels the prison yard.

As brotha Troy mentioned at the top of this thread, the plight of Native Americans is simply appalling.   A trip through a US History book provides the CliffsNotes version of events. It was much worse.

For their pain and suffering, Native Americans who did not assimilate into melting pot of America were left to live on a parcels of land (reservations) provided by the US government with limited tribal sovereignty (self-governance).  The collective land mass of indian reservations is about the size of Idaho.

Had Africans rejected slavery in a similar manner to the Native Americans and West Indians, the trajectory of AfroAmericans would have been a lot different.  Either we would not be here or we would all be piled up in the great state of Mississippi.

I cannot  imagine how or why anyone would be surprised by the whitewashing of Native Americans.  It's part and parcel of the white supremacy  programme. 

That's why our brothas who are labeled as terrorists are figthing like h8ll.  They don't  want to be imperialized.  They've seen the scorecards from around the world.

Next thing you know, the imperialist will be making them shave and uncovering their women to look more like whites with a tan. 

36 minutes ago, Cynique said:

Jazz elitists look upon their community as being esoteric, Once one of their of own gains broad acceptance by the public  this dulls their sheen in the eyes of these snobs. Dave Brubeck became tremendously popular and was anointed by Down Beat Magazine, which is the bible of the jazz world, but he was dismissed by certain critics.  Whatever.

Exactly.  Elitists and snobs still exist to this very day in all areas of human activity. 

In fact, shortly after the artist was born, so too was the critic.  It's widely belived that a critic is usually a failed artist. 

A gifted/talented but struggling musician or artist will be a god-send initially.  As soon as they pull in fame and/or fortune, the same folks who loved them in the trenches turn into haters. It's the craziest  sh8t but has been ongoing forever. 

I just conjured up an image of a bunch of slaves idolizing one of their own.  As soon as he or she got pulled up to the big house, they couldn't stand that n8gglet.  Nevermind that they were all still slaves.

Back from my detour...I'm thankful to the universe for sending trailblazers like Ellington, Tatum, Powell, Parker, Coltrane, Monk, Garner, etc. to name a short few. 

I think it's important for Jazz musicians especially to appreciate Herbie Hancock while he's still on planet too.  He's one of the few trailblazers of Jazz who's still with us.

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

This is why I say Black folks should be focusing on LOCAL politics, because national politics right now is pretty much sewn up.

You're absolutely correct. 

For AfroAmericans, the general election is the voting equivalent of children interjecting their thoughts in an adult conversation.

There is so much more work to be done at the local and state level when it comes politics.  The folks running the school board, courts, mayor, governor, etc., control what's happening where people  live, work and play.

Even before voting in local and state elections, AfroAmericans need an agenda.  A list of things that matter to them as it relates to their community.  Citizens have a choice in whether they get more liquor stores and beauty supply stores or black-owned businesses and better schools. 

When it comes to politics, AfroAmericans have a LOT of work to do in codifying their agenda on local, state and national levels. 

On 10/4/2021 at 10:48 AM, Pioneer1 said:

The Nation of Islam has an excellent reputation for keeping peace and order in Black events and even in some Black communites.
They could be instrumental in this.

As you may have gathered from my posts, I personally have no use for religion.  However, I do not begrudge those who have to believe in something in order to manage their existence on the prison yard of white supremacy.  If religion keeps folks from being self-destructive and makes them more productive, I think that's great.

The Nation of Islam (NOI) appears to be a great exercise in mental and physical discipline.  They have taken lost and wayward folks and put them on a path of righteousness.  That's great.

I remember the NOI/FOI (Fruit of Islam) providing security in situations that mainly benefitted them.  Those brothas were on it when the NOI collected millions of dollars at the Million Man Marches.  I was there.

The NOI is headquartered in Chicago which right now I believe is the deadliest city for black folks in America. I've asked myself why the NOI/FOI hasn't established a presence on the South side and West side to stop the violence.  Rest assured the NOI compound is heavily secured.

I read about how well trained the FOI force is in martial arts and weapons.  Brotha James Brown wrote a song called "Talkin Loud and Sayin Nothin".  Those dudes seem all dressed up with nowhere to go.

Most of the dudes having  street crediblity themselves, I would think the FOI could clean up the streets of Chicago.  Unless they're getting  kickbacks from the dysunction that is plauging the city.  Cue up that  Jodeci track again...

7 hours ago, Cynique said:

Maybe Brubeck who was considered rather pedestrian by Jazz  aficiandos. But  not Errol Garner. He was a bona fide jazz pianist, -  a  genius who played by ear.  His "Concert by the Sea" album is considered a jazz classic. i was around "during that time". 

You're absolutely right about Erroll Garner. Awesome that you were there to witness his genius.

Erroll Garner was a monster Jazz pianist among his contemporaries and one of the greatest of all time. No doubt about it.

However, some traditional Jazz musicians and critics didn't appreciate the "ornamental" elements of Erroll Garner's playing and the audiences to whom he appealed.

Those musicians and critics didn't consider Garner's playing "hip" or "cool". To them, his style was "corny". Then, there was the phenomenal success of "Concert by the Sea". That drove them crazy. 

Nowadays, we call those people "haters". Since the beginning of time up to present, every supremely gifted and/or talented person has their share of them. It's par for the course.

2 hours ago, Cynique said:

Miles is credited with "the birth of cool" after  he moved on following a short flirtation with the frenzy of BeBop.  I'm a late comer to the Miles cult. when he was  breaking ground, like a good 1950 college girl that I was, i was into Dave Brubeck. and his sideman saxophonist Paul Desmond   I was always a fan of jazz piano and i loved his style of playing it. this was way before his commercial hit Take 5. Yes, Brubeck was a white musician, but - it was the bland 1950s... 

Dave brubeck and Erroll Garner were *hated* by Traditional Jazz musicians during that time. They were considered "cocktail" pianists. The modern equivalent would be Smooth Jazz. 

I don't use Facebook, Instagram or Whatsapp so I'd be fine.

If the internet went down forever, I'd play my keyboards, read, cook, knock out home improvement jobs, hold court, travel, etc. 

Yeah, pretty much the same sh8t I do now including the internet.