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True ....Power come in various strengths - also many types and forms Power is basically the Ability(Skill/Exercise Control) to do....Make change Power uses Force to accomplish Change. Omnipotence is either summation of all Powers or a Singular Power. Are you asking which Form of power is the most effective...Political Social Economic etc?

Hence the reason why I could not contextualize..... Knowledge Is being aware of facts.....Understanding is knowing how when and where to use/apply those Facts For Knowledge to be or become Power two things are required Know How (Skill/Practical Knowledge) and Resources. In your Example above Skill is training and resources is the gun. Belief is comprise of two things Imagination and Will....Both of which are natural to all.

So you are guilty of that which you accuse me Of.....You have Inserted your word "having" for my word "those" so that it can make your assertions appear true - This is a misrepresentation in order to Demonize. Check Yourself and try to Listen to your conscience. Of Course not, you have been caught red handed in a blatant misrepresentation. Regardless...... you have bought up some great arguments, that would be fun to unpack. You should stand by your convictions and use honesty reason logic and love to see where they lead. I will honor your request....I look forward to us having future dialogues.

Belief is most likely more powerful than Knowledge.... Knowledge is the beginning of Power.. Power is what we are measuring so it is difficult to contextualize what you mean by power in order to place its position. Yes it does. Again you will have to further explain what you mean by each term vis a vis power.

Before I address your complete statement where did you get "having evil Intent" from? Please post the complete line?

It is nearest truth we have until more compelling information takes us closer to truth "However, all of them agreed that dreams are in fact a manifestation of our reality (apart from nightmares, we usually see only humans in our dreams and they are people we know) and they are what can be best described as a “mish mash” of our feelings and thoughts. However, what lies underneath it?" So I took that Quote above from the Article you sited and I see where they are saying the same thing... We see only humans in our dreams and they are people we know.....Memory They are a Mish Mash of our Feelings and thoughts ....Memory. However what lies underneath it?.....whole new State and or Reality. Please bring something stronger?? Have you ever experienced a dream that was so real and life-like that you felt like you were literally there in the moment? You can feel the breeze on your face, smell the fresh cut grass or taste the food that touched your lips. These realistic dreams feel like much more than just a creation of our imagination. A new science-based theory might actually reveal this to be true… The Author of this article uses the word "Realistic" where I would use Attribute..... Many have ventured into Parallel Universes and Timelines thru Sleep Dream Trance Drugs and Flora (plants) Consumption Sweat Lodge Illness or Meditation etc ...Too much ways to mention all. I already showed you that these are African and Eastern philosophies. You haved.. They do not take those risks those risk are foisted on them by the very nature of them being alive. You have Yep...And I did not feel the heat in my sauna as I drove in it in my car. I am Not going anywhere or hearing anything....all I am doing is remembering these things in different ways. That a skill

Pick Your choice...I find meaning in most Bible Stories - Therein lies the Truth It is most definitely so if I am also completely made of the same thing. We are 70% water....so we are more Lake than flesh and blood You are part Show me a Being that is not in part and whole of Nature What Part of Existence is not Nature??? If it's the Only it cannot also be the First until there is a second.....Is there a second Supreme Being? Exactly....Objects Only exist by being Observed Hence they are subject to the Mind of the Observer....In Shared Physical Reality the Observer/s Construct Time and Space for us to experience Physicality. If This Supreme Being exist in Time and Space them it is a Product of Shared Physical reality. Says me...All objects in time and space typically hold a particular shape and occupy one locale at a time - thus is the nature of the observable shared physical reality. To Create something from so called Non existence is to be left with Non existence.....Nothing from Nothing leaves Nothing . Bought into existence from where? How do you know that this Being is most effective? You said this Being is Supreme....if this Being is supreme there must be Lower beings? Comparing to fellow beings.

True...That's how we find TRuth True ....wouldn't have it anyother way. Please show the studies that support your Ideas so we can peruse them Yes dreams consist of Memories.... When you step into parallel Universe and Timelines - you are no longer in the State of Dreaming. It Supports Buddha's assertion...."With our thoughts we create the World" or "We are what we Think, All that we are, arises from our thoughts" How can the above Summation disproves what I have been saying all along....Plus the reason why we are here is because you did not know that africans had such ideas as the Observer's Role in Time. Please show how this support your assertions of linear sequential time? The Act of being Alive or the Risk of Living is way different from an Calculated Financial Investment taken by the Rich. This Risk of Living is not a choice one can take or not take....You have no choice in the matter Every living thing takes that risk...Not only the Rich If you pretend to see "just being alive" the same as making a "calculated financial decision" - Then you are dishonest Thank You On that we will have to disagree. I know that you know you are defending non-sense. Yes Can't say it does or did....as I always wake up hungry and thirsty when I dream of food or drinks. Most times it sits in the seat but sometimes the seat is my sauna especially when i wanted one. They were not physical Yes....often months and sometimes years later I come to find out we already met Can't recall that in a dream....but in waking realty - yes.

Tell me which story you find impossible to be vetted?? Yes we agree to disagree. In Animism The Divine exists in the All things animate and inanimate, in words and places......and all things exist in the Divine - Therefore the Dive is the All Just as we are a part of Nature, we exist in Nature and Nature is in us...We are Made of Nature I do not accept the idea that a Being created Nature Beings are in Existence.....Existence is Nature - Nature is the sum total of all forms Realities. Cool This Being is the First......Implies that it is Of a Kind(specie)....of which they are more It seems this Being is subject to Existence....Existence denotes Objectivity - All Objects exist in Time and Space. Objects in Time and Space indicates.....Finiteness - Limitations. From what did this being Create Existence? in Existence means it is a part Of existence Which.... isn't it already In Existence) ? How do you define Power? This Being belongs to Hierarchy Of Beings of which this Being is the Supreme.....Because this Being is The Most Powerful

to misrepresent (someone or something) as thoroughly evil or contemptible; https://www.dictionary.com/browse/demonize to describe someone or something as very bad or dangerous although they are not https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/demonize The Truth may be offensive....But it is not a lie or a misrepresentation. For the above to be an act of Demonization....it most also be a misrepresentation. - a lie Show me which of the above is a lie or a misrepresentation???

Present your Facts.... I have seen a lot of corroborated Facts presented by Jeffr586.....None by you You have only presented Anecdotal stories which are not sufficient to prove regularity or being commonplace or even to stand as a true example of something that actually happened the way you presented it.

Please show where I demonize you or anyone in this thread?? Whether or not some one is eloquent is matter of Opinion....In My Opinion Jeffr586 was very persuasive and articulate. Facts are usually not a matter of Opinion......What Facts was not presented?

I was gonna enter the conversation but you are doing such a great job....I just sat back and enjoyed your facts and eloquence

The Life of Sister Wilhelmina Lancaster | EWTN News In Depth June 2, 2023 The Incorruptibles are saints whose bodies are miraculously preserved after death, defying the normal process of decomposition. St. Cecilia is probably the first saint known to be incorrupt, but the bodies of these saints can be found in many places throughout the world. They are not like mummies, for their skin is soft and their limbs pliable, nothing at all like the dry, skeletal remains of mummies. Under usual circumstances, nothing at all has been done to preserve the bodies of these saints. In fact, some of them have been covered in quicklime, which should have easily destroyed any human remains, yet it has no effect of these saints. Many of them also give off a sweet, unearthly odor, and others produce blood or oils that defy any scientific explanation. Modern science relegates the incorruptibles to the status of mummies, pretending it understands and can comfortably categorize these saints. How then do the scientists explain the fact that a year and a half after the death of St. Francis Xavier, a medical examiner placed a finger into one of the saint’s wounds and found fresh blood on his finger when he withdrew it? Or that when a finger was amputated from St. John of the Cross several months after his death, it was immediately observed that blood began to flow from the wound? Or the case of St. Nicholas of Tolentino, whose arms have frequently bled over the last 400 years https://www.roman-catholic-saints.com/incorruptible-saints.html

Yes....nonlocal space is akin to spaceles

I Find them True as in Effective Beneficial and Rewarding. No. I see what you are referring to as the Supreme Being (Thee Creator) as Nature. Nature is Creation.... Yes it is. Yep... Yep... Animism is almost Universal in most if not all African Cultures Religions and Spiritual Beliefs. Yes that is the Meaning of the "words".... If we are talking "Beings" like unto the Anunnaki Then it is a "Title".... Beings use Available Forces/Energies in Accordance to the Laws of Nature limited to their Understanding of Nature. It becomes Evident to me That all Beings are subject To Nature...Hence a Individual Being can not be Highest or Greatest. - except among fellow Beings Is this Being akin to the Anunnaki? Then explain your conceptualizations of this BEING.

Love the lord with all the heart soul and mind Thou shall not Steal THou shall not Covet thy neighbor It is as I have said ....The Idea of a Supreme Being is too Individualistic. Nature is Neteru/NTR Nature is All - in whom we move and have our Being Nature is the Sum Total of All Beings I do not believe a Being Created Nature.....Nor do I believe Nature was Created You would be Surprise how Coherent African Thought is across the Continent. True. Yes it does So I have been told. It is a Title for a Being and not necessarily The actual position or abilities of this Being.....definitely not Thee Creator.

No Laboratory is needed beyond your knowledge and the Internet. Most of the research has been done already and some of which is available on the Net. It maybe if you are Convinced of it. Matthew 21:21 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive Although these dreams are rarely a faithful replication of any one memory, fragments of various recent experiences intermingle with other memories (usually related remote and semantic memories) to create a novel dream......These observations support the emerging view that dreams are generated by networks in the brain similar to the networks that are involved in recalling memories and constructing imagined scenarios during wakefulness (Fox et al., 2013; Graveline and Wamsley, 2015). Like memory and imagination, a vivid dream requires the construction of detailed, memory-based imagined scenes – and this process appears to rely on the hippocampus. https://elifesciences.org/articles/58874 In this article, the author discusses the African view of space-time called “Hantu.” Furthermore, he clarifies the Africans’ understanding of consciousness, which is linked to their worldview, particularly the idea of space and time. This is important because Africans claim that there is an entity called consciousness that is not influenced by space and time and exists in living and non-living beings and in a space less and timeless dimension..... From the discussed definitions of time, Africans understand that contrary to the Western view, that time is an ephemeral concept that exists only in the observer's mind. Time is a mental construct and is derived from our daily activities, and it is something that is inseparably connected to events, activities, daily chores, and objects, which helps us carry out our duties and make sense of the world around us. https://wireilla.com/physics/ijrap/abstract/10321ijrap01.html i think so Ok I have explain this already but I will share another view Are they related and share commonness (bleed over or into each other) - Yes.....They all share YOU. In One you are Unconscious and In the Other you are Conscious Thanks again....this is becoming repetitious. Yes they are Real hence they are called Realities. They are not physical. Cool True Yes we often can't Recall all of what is in our Memory....nor are we Aware of all that we Know

If it's in a dream....I am pretty certain it is a composite of Memories. I will give a reductionist...ipso facto Time is a part of Physical shared Reality.....The observer influences or creates this Reality. Inability to recall "things that happened" is not proof of no memory....Memory can be faulty. Why??? Fine by Me There are levels to dreaming but One State of Dreaming....Usually denoted by primarily unconsciousness. Having thoughts in Images, Words or Emotion - Daydream(wishful thinking) and exercising your imagination is not Dreaming. Visions are more akin to Trance like States of Consciousness. All Realities feel Real whilst you are in them....The Feeling of Realness does not define the Reality you are in - the Attributes of the Reality does. We agree They are only real as grooves, magnetic filaments, shades of light and dark on film tape or disc etc.. Exactly .....that is how you differentiate between Realities. To understand Dreams...one must understand the Structure and Form of the Dream - some dreams need interpretation some do not. Dream Recall is a Skill....Practise makes perfect(better) as with all skills Exactly you do not know all of what you know....you only know about 1%

Yes... Yes Nature can be a Singularity in which "Beings" Exist. These Beings or Being can express more or less of particular Aspects of Nature. The All Pervading and all Encompassing quality of Nature cannot be seen as Individual....... but only consisting of Individuals Ancient African Scientist simply refer to this as The ......ALL I am Not referring in any way to the History or Concept of God or what it represents....but Man's use of the word or the origins of the word God itself. Hence its/their Usefulness.

Fine by me as long as it fits with the information I already has vetted as true or brings new compelling evidence which would then force me to change. The Divine is more Abstract.....The Best word I find is NATURE. The Idea of a Supreme Being sounds too individualistic The word God has a history that is not all that fitting Yes...that is true of some Rulers and the Rich find Religion and God as useful.

You are Only Conscious of Approximately 1% of what you perceive and you remember even less....maybe you read a story in a book and place a face on it and a place to it in your imagination, Saw it or them in a movie, commercial or even just over heard a story as a child Yes and No Yes...it is my way of adding more info instead of just repeating the same thing over and over. No...I am alluding to something deeper Now is the Everlasting Instant or Moment we Live In....Everything is happening in the Now - All at once. Time is a Construct of the Mind(In shared Reality) in which we place events in a linear Sequence....The Past is a memory and the future a projection - both are function of the Mind Sorry to disappoint you but most of the information I am inferring is African and Eastern. Yes If you meet with disembodied Spirits, Beings, Creature and or Elementals then you are not in a Dream State...You are in a Trance State(Alpha Brain Waves). It is the State of Mediums and Channelers....Usually preceded by the Hypnagogic State. Then we will have to agree to disagree. They Interpret what they experience as sound. The longer and more time they spent in other realities the more they begin to realize they are balls of Light(not Visible Light) All is Vibration...we have but One sense that of Feeling - the same stimuli perceive by the eyes will be seen - that same stimuli perceive by the ears will be heard - the same stimuli perceive by skin will be felt. Yes. All physical Realities are One You can have many Worlds and Timelines in Physical Reality Then You are Confused...As the Attributes of each reality is different . It's a Recording On a screen....The Individuals represented/reflected on screen were or are real - but the image you see on the screen is not real it is a reflection of the real. Different rules applies to different Realities. In order for us to Understand the dream our mind tries to keep things familiar by insinuating Time....but it never really works the way we know time works in physicality. Dreams are Limited to using what you would recognize...if not it would not make any sense to you. People in your dreams whether known or unknown to you are recognize as people....Same is true of Places Things and Events Thank You... The Moment you focus your Awareness you are in a Different Realm of the Dream - Lucidity. Most dreams occur in a State of Unconsciousness, once you become Aware your Subjectivity is being Observed - Lucid Fine by me..

Exactly. Once you have a accurate translation...... many of the above questions will be answered True.. The Divine has.......Conscience. All Text is Man's Interpretation of the Divine.....The Divine is also You Me and every living thing. and more. They are Man's attempt to pass on his Understanding of the Divine and the Reality we live in.. We stand on the shoulders of those who come before....so to speak To Each his own...according to their Order

True....But Not "only" You are using bits and pieces of your memory to create a message In Dream Reality Time as in Now is not the same in its Attributes as in Shared Physical Reality......Neither are you Aware of all that you Know. The very infrastructure of Dream Reality is perceived through Memory... There are Many States of Consciousness....We are talking about the Dream State - REM(Delta Brain Waves) A Deeper(Theta Brain Waves) or Other State Of Consciousness can have you meeting with Beings.....That is not Dream Reality - A whole other set of Rules apply. Sound as we Know is Only exists in Physical Reality....It is believe communication exist via Telepathy Only Physical Reality has Physical Bodies.....Whatever body they were using to fly in their dream - was not physical not matter how much it looks and feel physical. The Movement Talking Characters and Structures you see on a screen in a movie house is not real.....they only look real. Real as in Spiritual....but not physical as we understand Physicality An Observation is an Observation whether or Not it is of an Observation....Each Observation is In a sense Individual. Time as we know is not the same in Dreams.....Bits of Memory can be use to create seemingly new information - Ideations It is a function of Memory and Familiarity...Dream Reality Time is not Linear or Sequential. Time and location change from moment to moment instantly. They Align with many Dream Cultures. I have Read up on many Dream Reality Traditions - Tibetan Dream Yoga and Senoi Dream Theory It was Money well spend even though it was a dream. In The Physical Shared Reality this is True....Pure Undifferentiated Potential (Wave Function) all Possibilities can be Realized(reality) - Collapse into a Particle. That is what science is realizing....We Do Create Reality - Buddha was and is Right. Give Thanks for the Light

Or What if they are both right... Words do have more than one meaning...Which affects Context and Narrative. Not Necessarily Mistranslated....But it can be.. Yeah Why? The Translated text is Mistranslated.....Not the Original Text. - One must now render his own understanding given current insights If it was done on purpose(intentional)...then yes its a Deception What if its a matter of Cultural Nuances and Personal Bias....then it is Accidental or Negligence - Unintended without Purpose. Yes you could....I would rather translate the original text nearer to its true meaning. We all are Africans. Find then the Ancient texts yourself a new translation.