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Man @Kalexander2, you have ripped another page from Del's playbook, by dodging a direct question and posing unrelated others. You should change your name to "Delano2." @Delano, Yes I changed my position on Cosby after becoming aware of overwhelming evidence (Something you should consider regarding climate change). I do not think the Serna cartoon is racist. Changing my position after learning Osaka had a blond pony tail. I never said 45 would be reelected, I just have not dismissed it as a possibility. As far as being behind or ahead of the curve, that you thing not mine.

No, my friend, you under estimated my knowledge. Still, even taking your now corrected statement; that is still a poor justification for preferring to be a poor white man than a wealthy Bkack man. If you looked at the homicide rates for the Black men in the narrow population you've isolated you'll find the majority of those are poor Black men, not wealthy ones. Again class trumps race. White skin can only get you so far. This would be obvious to anyone who left the confines of their middle class enclaves.

Politics make strange bedfellow Lol! I'm glad you two have found common ground. @Delano It is interesting that you find my equating your reasoning with K2's "belittling." Lol! Man that is a good one! I have not laughed out loud from reading something here in a long time. Negro, I never said laws were perfect, but tell me something else that has improved anything for Black folks in the country.... I'll wait.

Half of the American's can not afford to buy the cheapest new car ($14,000); either they do not have the money to pay for it or the credit score to borrow the money. This he argues is one of the reason 45 was elected. YouTube definitely knows what videos to show me, because there was nothing this guy said that I disagreed with. The only difference is that he has data (and research) support my observations. Actually there were two other differences, the situation is actually a little worse than I thought, and there are actually solutions that can be implemented to fix all of this, but they would have to take place on a global scale. I was listening to this video guy while working. I think it is worth watching. As I post this I'm 50% into the video and will watch it again when I can focus on it completely.

LOL What?! @Kalexander2 OBVIOUSLY laws have no consequence it they are not followed and no law is perfect. However, If there are no laws what then would people follow? Your point of contention is lost on me. Besides being in league with Del on this Trump issue, your method is reasoning is beginning to rival his as well. Are you also a climate change denyer or flat earther too?

@Delano Yes, your statement was completely wrong! Why don't you show the entire chart? Instead you cherry pick a 20 year range representing a minority of deaths. Rather than simply admitting your error and correcting yourself you dig in and attempt to justify your claim by taking a narrow band of data despite the fact that the chart shows homicide is less than 5% of all Black deaths. @Delano we are all wrong from time to time and make misstatements; this is perfectly normal. Being so stubborn is why you are a climate denier. The UC Berkeley study may help you understand your reasoning.

So @Kalexander2 if your position is that laws make no difference, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. Sure, but you money is on 45 being booted before January 1st. Save a heart attack or an assassin, which is far more likely that the scenarios you and K2 have hatched, it ain't happening.

@Delano your reasoning for denying man made climate change is no different that the people who believe the Earth is Flat. The website is reporting on a study conducted by the University of California at Berkeley who are attempting to explain the reasons; "...why flat earthers, birthers, climate change and Holocaust deniers stick to their beliefs in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary?" Unlike procon.com they are not setting up false equivalencies can comparing conspiracy theories with the science. Now you can reject the study if you like, but that does not change reality. The Earth is not flat Del.

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@Delano you are a trip. You make an argument with a grossly inaccurate statement like: When I prove the statement was completely false, you then turn around and say something like this: So no Del when you make statement that are demonstrably wrong, I will not agree with them just to keep from being "bit polarised." Del, I read most of the articles you post and I do my best to understand and respond to your statements on this forum. This is a demonstrable fact. Now you may not like or agree with everything that I write in reaction to you, but this is perfectly normal and expected because we are human. Now you try to drag @Cynique into our conversation as if any disagreement I've had with her is the same as disagreements you, and therefore proof of some deficiency in me. The flaw in your reasoning is that every argument is different. For example, Cynique does not quote flawed stats. So when I disagree with her the reasons are different, and as you have observed I have no problem changing my position with new information, or seeing something from a different perspective.

@Delano, You are not the only one who can look past their own feelings. I too could see Trump winning despite what everyone else said and what I wanted. Again, I see 45 finishing out the year despite what you and I want, because even 45 is subject to due process and even if the process got started today (which it won't), they can not get him out until the end of the year, and nothing is likely to start until after the midterms. I believe it is your desire to see your astrological prediction come to fruition that is blinding you to what is obvious -- even without casting a chart, reading tea leaves, or gazing into a crystal ball. I also believe, despite my desire, that there is a good chance 45 will finish his term. So while I may indeed come over to you way of thinking, will has not happened yet, and even if it happened before the end of the year, 45 will still be in the whitehouse, @Kalexander2 Whaddya mean what change?! You realize it was laws that freed the enslaved, gave us the right to vote, and ended Jim Crow segregation. Now I don't know what you are reading or seeing to lead you to believe so strongly that the United States will remove a sitting president in less that 106 days

@Kalexander2, The law is the only way anything has changed in this country. This is what made the civil right era so powerful, the legislation that was signed as a result. Angry tweets, kneeling, and impassioned speeches don't mean diddly squat if it is not back by legislation. This is a part missing for our game plan. Now as far as Trump is concerned tell me the chain of events that you (or Del) see that will result in the unprecedented action of removing a sitting president in less than 3 1/2 months?

March on Ma, March on!

Again @Cynique it is not just about you. I read what you wrote about Nike. Besides it is not like I expected an 80-something to go out her way to buy a pair of Nikes. Further I'm not even saying EVERYBODY who buys Nikes was manipulated into doing so by the commercial. I'm saying Nike's goal is manipulation and some have indeed fallen for the okie doke. I have no gripe with you or your boy Colin. Finally, I'm saying what I am doing, and in a public forum, the statement was also meant for anyone else reading this.

Kat WIlliams get deep.

@Delano, so is that is your reasoning for preferring to be a poor white man?! Besides, on it face, your statement (below) is absurd. I just now checked: according to the Center for Disease Control, Heart Disease is the leading cause of Death for Black men -- Homicide does not even come close. Still wanna be a poor white man?

@Kalexander2 right now I'm primarily concerned with getting my $50 donation from you. 45 remaining in office beyond 2019 is an entirely different question. I previously wrote and still believe it is an even money bet that he will serve is full term and that there is a greater that 0 probability that he will serve a 2nd term. @Delano saying I don't read the news then assuming I'm in a bubble is ignorance. Your problem is that you consume too much news from a single perspective and it has given you a distorted view of the world. Common sense, and a cursory understanding of the justice system, should tell you that a sitting president will not be booted from office before the end of the year. Don't make me come looking for you at the end of the year for my money.

@Cynique I did not say you said your generation was better I wrote that. I not sure how that got twisted. Cynique this is not about you or I as individuals; this is about us, and our respective generations collectively. In terms of making things safer, I think it is everyone's responsibility. It is everyone responsibility simply because we all suffer the consequences or benefit as a result. We all have, or should have, our respective roles. I grew up in a culture that had more respect for elders. The current culture seems to have much less respect for older people. I think the culture is less well off as a result. It is as if the attitude is if you did not grow up using social media -- what could you possibly know? While people with that attitude can't see how social controls them. Maybe there would be less violence if we paid attention to people with the sense (and good fortune) to have lived more than a few minutes. Of course it is true that not everyone who grew up in a hostile environment runs around shooting others. Indeed most people don't. The problem is far to many people do -- certainly far more that would be the case under more favorable conditions. I agree a more stable family would absolutely help, but then we are back to confronted with the conditions that resulted in unable families. @Delano I was supposed to interpret that as an answer to my question? So does that mean you would rather be a poor white man than a wealthy Black man?

@Cynique I don't know what Colin would have done either -- maybe he doesn't even know, but I don't think he thought he would have been banned from the sport. Cynique, in our system unless you are using sophisticated psychometric tools to manipulate the consumer, you probably can't be competitive Nike is doing what they have to do to remain competitive. That does not mean however that we have sit back and make believe that what they are doing has no negative consequence -- or pounce on the people who point it out. So no, I'm not jumping n the bandwagon and buying any more overpriced nike gear. Other than giving my opinion on the matter, that is about all I can do, as an invisible middle aged Black man

September is 1/2 over and winter is coming. Just have my $50 ready.

As if white people need additional material to use against us... At the risk of lecturing, mansplaining, or whatever you wanna call my expression of ideas, I think the crime in chicago is a combination of a wide variety of things. Obviously people who go around shooting others were not raised properly -- that goes without saying. But we are talking about a cycle of familia dysfunction that was caused and is perpetuated by living in a hostile environment. Maybe your generation, "the greatest generation," was indeed better that ours. But I'm not sure how well y'all would have fared in this handheld-device-carrying, social-media-controlled world we live in today: You had MLK we have Al Sharpton. Y'all have Malcolm X, we have Barack Obama. Y'all had newspapers, we have Twitter. Y'all had bookstores we have Amazon.Y'all had JKF, we have 45 I dunno many of us are doing the best we can too, but it is a different world today. The mental shackles are backed the most powerful computer system invented with machine learning. No one is immune... @Delano, Who is better off in America a wealthy, educated, Black man; or a poor, uneducated white man? Which one would you rather be?

OK lets put things in perspective here. Do you believe Colin would have started any of this if he thought it would actually cost him his job? I don't. I say that because he is trying very hard to get it back. Still he lost his job and it has become a sacrifice. What?! You know I have an MBA and worked on Wall Street right? The role of a financial manager is to maximize shareholder wealth -- I know how it works. However I don't think that we, as a society, are best served with that mentality, thought it has been incredibly successful strategy for most wealthy people including the POTUS. I believe, NIke has had a net negative impact on the world. Exploiting what Colin started does not change this. I'm sure I did not lose my mind over a meme, I've already forgotten about, from Facebook. Maybe Facebook does have a sense of humor and the joke is one us.

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@Chevdove, Unfortunately Colins message was immediately co-opted, because one of disrespecting the flag. When Colin lost his job our reaction -- the reaction of this fellow player -- should have been to shut the NFL down. They have the power to do it. But they won't exercise that power because everyone is more concerned about getting paid. Meanwhile, Colin gets paid, Nike sells more sneakers, The NFL grows richer, and unarmed negroes continued to be gunned down in the street by those sworn to protect.