Mayor adams just said a simple thing

[richardmurray]

He said he can tell people about in one day six million riders and only six felonies  that day but people need to feel safe.

So, the mayor of NYC is flat out saying that the problem isn't crime but the perception of crime in nyc and this means that people , like some in this very online community are so frightened or afraid of violence that even if they have no personal story or incidence they are only content when zero but that is a dysfunctional desire. 

But, the war on crime is turning , every day more and more i notice the mayor or governor seem dedicated to getting latinos as the primary war on crime target which overall is going to be better for the black dos populace in nyc. 

[Troy]

I dunno what are the felonies if they were 6 murders a day I would not feel safe. Are they 6 violence assaults, maimings, rapes?

but I agree the media exaggerates things. And without knowing the nature of the felonies, my gut tells me Adams is right but he can’t control what the media covers if they are telling the truth albeit in a  biased manner.  
 

He can launch a counter narrative and attempt to help people understand how relatively safe the subways, and indeed the city is today.
 

Are Latino immigrants committing a disproportionate number of crimes? I hope he’s not scapegoating them, as a black man, he should know better.

[ProfD]

I voted no.

 

I don't think FBA/ADOS elected officials or Black people should be putting on the cape when it comes to defending other groups of people.

 

The Latino community has more than enough representation throughout NYC to fight for themselves in pushing a counter narrative against the white media regarding their criminalization.

[richardmurray]

I will speak for me, or those who think similarly to myself,  six million riders, with six incidents. Means it is a ten thousandth of a percent chance you are the one harmed.  I feel safe.

 

@ProfD

yeah, there are many in nyc's black populace who think wise to you, ... plus there are many who think opposite. 

In terms of elected officials, you rarely find black elected officials in NYC historically who are outside the narrow philosophical group of: christian/fiscal capitalist/integrationist . Adam clayton powell was the first black representative in the city council, representing harlem of course, and he was a christian preacher, a fiscal capitalist, an integrationist... today I add pro immigration as a common factor. But you rarely see any black elected officials in nyc whose philosophies will find them where you are profd. 

So my point being, is, sadly, regardless of where the black populace is in nyc, which incudes negras- black latinos, whom I think are more anti mestizo/blanco/ while partial to mulatto latinoes. the black elected officials are very much of one particular subrace in the black race in nyc. So to functionalize your position in nyc will need a black party of governance in nyc.

@Troy I comprehend your position, like Pioneers'

While a nice idea, I don't think a counternarrative works from the media or even a narrative of safety in the first place. As I told you or pioneer, I know black people in nyc who have always felt unsafe. I never said all black people in nyc feel as I do, i just said many do and I argue most. But the convincing game will not work. 

How can you convince someone of safety when their demands is 100%? I don't think it is possible. Simply because the absolutism of the desire in itself. You can't convince someone who wants 100% non incidents of safety in humanity anywhere, at least in my view.

TO be fair, it isn't from him as much as it is from the white european descent populaces in Nyc + Nystate. Remember, when adams + hochul tried to get the upstate cities to accept immigrants the upstate cities successfully blocked them both, and most of the immigrants where blanco/mestizo latinos. 

That relatively recent incident where a set of mestizo latinos attacked law enforcers was a trigger for the white populace's change. 

To your point, the black members, most if not all,  of the city council have maintained the non white european christian coalition and supported decriminalizing immigrants. 

[ProfD]

53 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

So my point being, is, sadly, regardless of where the black populace is in nyc, which incudes negras- black latinos, whom I think are more anti mestizo/blanco/ while partial to mulatto latinoes. the black elected officials are very much of one particular subrace in the black race in nyc. So to functionalize your position in nyc will need a black party of governance in nyc.

I'm not totally convinced that Black or Brown Latinos truly side with FBA/ADOS.  In fact, I believe they want to replace FBA/ADOS in the populace. 

 

Black/Brown Latinos are infiltrating city politics.  They can fight for themselves.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD in nyc I am but comprehend, I am an anglo, like you, an english speaker primarily. 

The term latino just means: spanish/italian/french/portuguese/romanian speaker primarily. but it doesn't refer to phenotype and that matters cause in the larger usa most latinos are not black/negra. In california most latinos are mexicans who are usually mestizo, central americans, again usually mestizos. In florida the cubans are latinos while mostly blanco, most brasilians in the usa are brancos. Brasil has a huge negra/preto populace but the majority of immigrants from brasil are whites, not blacks.  You comprehend. In NYC you have the most haitians[yes haitians are latinos]- who are usually noir/ dominicans who are usually mulatto. but in most other regions of the usa the majority of latinos are not negras/black.

And to coincide...PEople say muslim but in most places in the usa the majority of muslims are whites,  but in nyc you have an uncommon while greater percentage of black muslims.

So from a federal angle I think your 100% correct that the majority of latinos are not black. But in nyc, the percentage of black latinos is higher than any other. 

 

To what latinos want. Remember, whites of european descent choose the other group they feel that threatens them the most. IT was originally native americans, ala their near extinction. Then it went to blacks.for most of the history in the usa raised to be pack mules, the human machines.  But, it is a new millennium,  I will say, at least in NYC, i think many white or mestizo latinos fear of being in the place of ADOS in the eyes of whites anglos. They definitely do in NYC based on some of the speeches in local media. 

[Pioneer1]

richardmurray

 

 

Your thread is headlined with 2 different staments and a question....

 

-Mayor adams just said a simple thing

 

-Will the collectivity among people of color, non white europeans, fade over time?   

 

-1. Do you think the Black DOS elected officials or advocates should halt the growing media criminalization of latinos?

 

 

Lol.....which one should we focus on???

I'll focus on the middle one.......

 

Personally, I haven't seen a lot of "collectively" among people of color or non-White Europeans.

Maybe some exist in New York but it doesn't exist on a large scale in Michigan, Georgia, the West Coast, and other places I've lived in around the nation.
It exists in pockets...but not in general.

 

 

 

every day more and more i notice the mayor or governor seem dedicated to getting latinos as the primary war on crime target which overall is going to be better for the black dos populace in nyc. 

 

Trust me....it won't.

Why not?

Because as I've stated many times, most of the Latinos in New York are of African descent (Puerto Rican and Dominican).
Basically Spanish speaking niccaz.
 

Rolling your "r" and playing Salsa music won't change the way White folks see you or force them to separate you from the other Black folks who speak English and eat turkey sandwiches for lunch.

Notice Los Angeles and Chicago aren't targeting Latinos.
Why not?
Because most of their Latinos are not Black or Mulatto, as is the case in the New York area.

There may not be a lot of unity between Black New Yorkers because of their various cultures....but trust me most White folks see ALL of yall the same, lol.

[richardmurray]

@Pioneer1 exactly, engage with what you will. 

I use the poll function to offer a question and a poll question aside from the content in the post. they are always related, at least to me. 

 

All I Can say to the future is we will see who among you or me or others in this forum have actually emitted prescience

[richardmurray]

I saw a video of the fight that led to the incident in the train. 

It is easy to explain. It isn't some grandiose. Two men got into an altercation, one had a gun and shot the other. If you look at the original video, neither man touched or tried to drag anyone else into this. These two men chose to get into a fight. It happens. This isn't criminality. Dueling was legal in nyc, ala Burr and hamilton right?

Sometimes adults want to fight it happens in every time period wherever humans beings live. 

It is not a sign of a city falling. 

I repeat neither man was some person totally disinterested in fighting, both at the end got into it. One had a gun.

 

Unfortunately, I was there when it happened. @ABC7NY https://t.co/XkA9R7Uu0k pic.twitter.com/1JBatME00a

— Joyce Philippe (@JoyceMeetsWorld) March 14, 2024

 

 

 

and the brilliance in the video are the wise people not overreacting. The guy had already gone, you got people crushing each other on the train acting like a wild shooter is on the train. It is called stupidity. The fight was literally in one car, it never spread. People are really picking up bad habits. Overreaction is a bad habit. 

[Troy]

4 hours ago, richardmurray said:

crushing each other on the train acting like a wild shooter is on the train. It is called stupidity.

“Stupidly” is a very harsh description of the behavior. I guess you’ve never been in a situation were there was gun fire.

 

 I’d say the people were not sure what was happening and were scared.

 

Also to be clear. I was saying that New York in the late 70s was relatively unsafe. In the 20 teens before I left, it was a relatively safe city— it wasn’t crime free, but compared to the 70s. It was a completely different place not just Harlem the entire city.

[ProfD]

6 hours ago, Troy said:

“Stupidly” is a very harsh description of the behavior. I guess you’ve never been in a situation were there was gun fire.

 

 I’d say the people were not sure what was happening and were scared.

Right.  It is a normal reaction that most folks will try to run away from gunfire.

 

Unfortunately, someone could get crushed as folks are rushing to get away from danger. 

 

My issues are 1) using guns and other weapons to solve  to solve petty differences and 2) lack of regard for human life.

 

Killing someone and maybe even innocent bystanders for nothing is a terrible decision to make. 

[richardmurray]

@Troy I am being harsh and my prose confirms i feel overreaction by many to these issues. It is a balance. 

well... People offline have said i am uncommon

yes they were scared but in the same video some people didn't feel they needed to crouch down under the subway chairs. some people were sitting  making videos. And why, the guy was gone.  In the same video people showed a more level headedness, and this goes to the issue we have been discussing in this community. A greater level headedness in this issue or the scenarios about it.

But you said the answer. You said you were happy to leave NYC as you didn't feel safe in it. I wish more people who felt like you in nyc would simply leave. that is the answer. And not just to nyc but anywhere. 

 

Right. I just know people significantly older than you who lived in nyc their whole lives and didn't share the same assessment of the city's criminality as yours. I am not saying your wrong, please comprehend that,  but I trust said folk and I accept their assessment over yours. 

 

@ProfD

I don't mind people running from gunfire, but the man had left already. During that video law enforcement was outside the train. the man was gone. Some of the people in the video realized that, some people overreacted. Many in this group talk about maturity , but  true maturity is when the mind is trained, the spirit is trained. Anyone can suffer a terrible boss and pay bills, a child can play chess,  a truly mature person has a calm mind amidst the fire. 

 

Someone did get hurt. I remember when a shooting happened at a concert, and multiple people got killed cause the people ran out so immaturely. The shooting killed one person the people acting like they are running from the christian rapture killed six. Calm down folks. It was an altercation. it happens. The altercation didn't even spread out. 

And this goes to my solution. If you are that scared then you need to leave NYC. I have never felt fear  from the common resident in nyc. I have been in regons where no blacks should be. In the dark, seen people looking at me, i didn't feel fear.  People have asked me offline how it is at night walking about. I say it is perfectly safe. 

If you feel that scared anywhere on earth you need to leave that place, that is the answer. And as black DOSers we should know this better than any for centuries most of our people felt the greatest fears every day somewhere in the usa., and we weren't allowed to leave, the one thing we all wanted more than anything.

 

 I am 100% certain that the black populace in NYC was fiscally poorer in its past and the services of the city to the black populace was less in the past. And those two factors created an inevitable presence of more fiscally poor or angry black people. But their greater presence doesn't equate to more crime. 

 

 

[Troy]

3 hours ago, richardmurray said:

You said you were happy to leave NYC as you didn't feel safe in it.

I wrote that? Show me.

 

“Fear for my safety” was never a significant factor for my list for leaving NYC. When my safety was most in jeopardy, I was too young to leave. 

By the time I was old enough and had to wherewithal to leave I left for a nicer climate and lower cost of living. Not counting college, I left New York City to live in three other places suburban Philadelphia and Florida (twice) never did I leave for fear of my safety. Although every place I left for had a much lower crime rate.

 

3 hours ago, richardmurray said:

The shooting killed one person the people acting like they are running from the christian rapture killed six. Calm down folks.

The way crowds behave is very different than the way individuals behave. It is not uncommon for people to get stampeded hurt and killed in situations that was initiated by a relatively innocuous event. This is why you don’t yell “fire” in a crowded theater.

[richardmurray]

@Troy 

I considered searching but i noticed, you can't search comments exclusively, or at least i was unable to in the advanced search settings, you can do status updates, topics, blog entries, events, but not specific comments within and I recall not exactly, a comment where I think you said something similar, but it is vague. I know it is a way and with all the comments. I dropped it but something search wise to consider for the site remodeling.

 

and based on your prose i stand in error or I was wrong

 

yeah but to your point about individuals, as in the subway video, not everybody was acting like that, and to maybe the common point we have addressed in the culture section here, there is no we:) how some act isn't how others act , how some live isn't how others live and the media ... and enjoy your weekend:) 

 

 

 

 

[Troy]

Enjoy your weekend too @richardmurray and consider going to the national Black writers conference next week too

[Pioneer1]

richardmurray

 

 

Maybe the people in that video acted the way people "should" when  facing such a situation, but it was HIGHLY unusual in my community and in most I've seen for people to duck down and behave so calmly.

 

It looked almost rehearsed to me.

Most people are full of emotion and you don't always take time to think things through or map out a plan in a situation like that where you're not expecting that type of violence.
Your emotions tend to take over and you want to get the hell out of the area ASAP.

 

 

 

Troy

 

“Stupidly” is a very harsh description of the behavior. I guess you’ve never been in a situation were there was gun fire.

 

I was going to mention the same thing a while back...
Based on some of our exchanges, I get the same impression that perhaps he hasn't seen or been around too much street violence.

Again, I find that very hard to believe coming from New York and being of ANY age.

You don't have to participate in it.....but you're still likely to witness things.

 

 

 

 

ProfD

 

Right.  It is a normal reaction that most folks will try to run away from gunfire.

 

Man...that scene looked staged to me, lol.

I haven't seen people that calm and quite during a STREET FIGHT.

 

 

Unfortunately, someone could get crushed as folks are rushing to get away from danger. 

 

You know that, but most folks aren't thinking about that when the bullets are flying.

I wonder when did this occur.
I head the governor sent national guard troops down there to prevent things like this from happening.

[Pioneer1]

 

Here's an article NBC News did on the incident if anyone is interested:

No charges filed after NYC subway rider shot as passengers took cover and screamed there were babies onboard (msn.com)

[ProfD]

39 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I head the governor sent national guard troops down there to prevent things like this from happening.

Total overreaction. More political BS.

 

There's more than enough NYPD police officers and transit police to keep this sh8t from happening. 

 

Police officers should have a presence and be working instead of standing around watching TikTok videos on their phones or sitting in vehicles or eating donuts or f8cking while on duty.

 

A police officer riding the train could have calmed that situation in a matter of minutes. 

 

I don't believe that incident was staged or rehearsed but it was allowed to happen through benign neglect.

 

The authorities pick and choose what they choose  to police.

 

A certain amount of crime is allowed because it's  good for business.

[richardmurray]

@Pioneer1

In today's media anything is possible, unfortunately the kind of investigative reporting for such an inquiry is not being financed.

 

And clearly emotions were high cause law enforcers were outside the train car when some of the people crushing each other were crying for law enforcers presence

 

But experiences are different amongst nyc's vast populace. I realize you may not think it or know it based on your personal experience or offline connections but in my experience each populace in nyc has varying experiences within themselves concerning nyc. I can use myself as an example concerning the trian, i have never had one problem. I didn't even get caught on the train for 9/11. I admit something far more violent could had happened to me, but:) again,  I was part of the most who got lucky .  

 

yes, it was an altercation. Where in humanity  do adults not get into altercations? 

 

@ProfD

and this was an altercation, this wasn't  psycho killer person or something, this wasn't a bomber. it was an altercation. It happens. To stop the common occurence of two humans fighting you will need law enforcers on every blcok of nyc every day. Human beings actually have disagreements with each other and come to blows, all throughout humanity you know. 

 

The problem PRofd is that nYC has two populaces concerning law enforcement. Their are people whose personal experiences , like me, whose greatest threats have been law enforcement, not other citizens while, while, there are people like pioneer or troy or those in the video whose personal experience greatest threat has been fellow citizens and law enforcement has been a "savior" . these two groups want two different things that can't work simultaneously. 

 

If I go out in the street with a knife and start waving it wildly yelling babble , even though cameras are everywhere in nyc, and I am not harming anyone. People like pioneer in my local offline populace will say, "that boy crazy , where are the cops" and will call the cops , the media will say an endangerment to the community. Mayor adams will say, another example of mental health decay. A single black man angry , waving a knife , yelling is the great symbol of crime. And  when i think about it, i remember how a black teenager was killed by law enforcement for doing just that. Two law enforcers , both carrying guns i might add, had no recourse but to shoot a teenage boy with a kitchen knife, said boy was not holding a hostage, wasn't attacking anyone directly, he was in his anger on the street, and yes, someone like pioneer had called the cops to the scene in the first place. Got a black boy murdered by two gun wielders who had no legal problems whatsoever. And for me the tragedy is the black person who called was never publicly acknowledged.  I always find it telling how people who say they believe in law enforcement need to police the crazy niggers are willing to call on strangers in their neighborhood, but never have the courage to step into the light and announce to their neighborhood they did it. Why the shame?  

When commissioner sewell tried to reprimand, not fire, but reprimand a nypd official the mayor who hired her didn't support her.

https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/10417-why-kechant-sewell-left-the-nypd/

and she left.  

The NYPD completely ran or aided or abetted every single illegal or criminal activity in NYC that has affected masses. Every single one since the founding of the NYPD by boss tweed in the 1800s from irish people who were trying to make money off of the irish populace illegally.  Tweed gave them a badge and the nypd has been involved in all criminal or illegal actions in nyc ever since, ever since. 

So to truly diminish the criminal element in nyc you need to attack the nypd but the people who think the common folk should have a zero instance of negative behavior in public carry the day. And it makes sense, News media knows attacking the nypd is not only expensive but generates enemies, powerful ones. Government officials are unwilling to do it cause the nypd have always been powerful and through said 70s when they were arguably the most blatantly unashamedly corrupt, they seemed to gain more power or influence in the future, even though they were completely behind the city's age of blight in the 60s 70s 80s. so the problem is NYC has two populaces whose desires don't match.

 

the NYPD can't be cleaned up while also grown Profd. 

 

 

 

[ProfD]

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

The problem PRofd is that nYC has two populaces concerning law enforcement.

 

the NYPD can't be cleaned up while also grown Profd.

I would never advocate that police murder anyone. That's not within the definition to serve and protect. 

 

Police officers in states, cities and towns where the population looks just like them know how to de-escalate a situation without using deadly force. 

 

Those same NYPD officers would not shoot to kill a knife wielding middle-aged white woman standing in the street. They would talk to her for 3 days if necessary.

 

We know that law enforcement treats Black folks differently than any other group of people. That's a battle we're constantly fighting all over the country. Not just NYC.

[Pioneer1]

richardmurray

 

 

Where in humanity  do adults not get into altercations? 

 

And where else on the planet do women pull out knives and start attacking strange men when they are in a fight with someone else?

And where else on the planet do men who get into fights casually walk over to their jackets to pull out gats?

These things are pretty much an uniquely urban American phenomena...lol.

 

But I find it strange for all of this to be happening when you supposedly have:

 

1. NYPD
2. NYPD Transit Police
3. National Guard
4. Guardian Angels???
 

....."protecting" the subways.
It makes me question the effectiveness of all 4 organizations or what they're really there for.

 

 

If I go out in the street with a knife and start waving it wildly yelling babble , even though cameras are everywhere in nyc, and I am not harming anyone. People like pioneer in my local offline populace will say, "that boy crazy , where are the cops" and will call the cops ,

 

Absolutely.
You know how you can predict that so easily?

Because we still live in a pretty civil society and this is what MOST responsible adults would do.

 

Now you can do that down in Haiti right now and NOBODY would call anyone on you....probably because there's nobody to call, lol.
You can't even call GHOST BUSTERS down there at this moment...lol.

Is THAT what you want for New York?

People running around with metal poles and sticks in their hands setting piles of tires and trash on fire and running off grinning, for no reason?
 

 

 the media will say an endangerment to the community. Mayor adams will say, another example of mental health decay. A single black man angry , waving a knife , yelling is the great symbol of crime. 

 

ANY angry man with a knife screaming and yelling is enough to alarm and scare the average citizen.
You don't know WHAT his mental state is or what he might do WITH that knife.

What if he was angry at YOU or staring at your WIFE or KIDS while yelling and babbling with the knife in his hand?

We can discuss how the police should respond to it but the police SHOULD be armed and able to quickly take that angry sucka down if they have to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

And  when i think about it, i remember how a black teenager was killed by law enforcement for doing just that. Two law enforcers , both carrying guns i might add, had no recourse but to shoot a teenage boy with a kitchen knife, said boy was not holding a hostage, wasn't attacking anyone directly, he was in his anger on the street, and yes, someone like pioneer had called the cops to the scene in the first place.

 

Several points..........

1. Can teenage boys KILL people with knives?
2. What the hell was that teenage boy DOING with the damn knife in the first place?
3. When the police arrived on the scene, did they tell him to drop the knife?
4. If the boy was Black, hasn't he been hearing since the time he was a little child that Black males have been targeted by some racist cops so he should be careful?

You must ask all of these questions to figure out how that boy ended up getting shot.

In Columbus Ohio several years ago there was a situation where police killed a Black teenage girl/woman who ran out of the house with a knife to attack another one.

When they shot her people were jumping up and down over how terrible and unjustified it was and how they could have talked to her.

Some people you CAN talk to...other's are moving so quick and so angry you have only time to make a move.

That girl/woman ran out of the house to chop the shit out of that other girl she was fighting with.
We should interview and ask THAT Black girl she was about to stab, should the police have used deadly force.

The police probably saved HER life!

If you want a society where the cops don't exist, go down to Haiti and spend a few weeks down there and when you come back let's see if your position is the same....lol.

Let's build a society and try to govern it OURSELVES first before  nominating ourselves "experts" on law enforcement procedures.

[richardmurray]

@Pioneer1

I don't concur. In my travels outside the usa, humans attacking other humans similar to what you call "urban american'.

well, you said the goal is 100%, and unless you are going to have citizens shackled in nyc, then no law enforcement organization is ever going to stop 100% of all similar situations in a city with a populace the size of New York City's. 

 

What I want for New York City, I will not answer. But Haiti is poor. I find it telling that you think the situation in haiti warrant a mention in similarity to nyc. 

 

Quote

What if he was angry at YOU or staring at your WIFE or KIDS while yelling and babbling with the knife in his hand?

at least I see your mind

 

For me, none of your four questions has any role to his murder by law enforcement who supposedly are trained to handle situations to reach non violent conclusions. If two of said supposedly trained, while armed with guns, law enforcements have no other recourse than to shoot to kill, that is an indictment on the entire development of law enforcers in the nypd. 

 

For the record, simply cause Pioneer said it, I never once said I was an expert in law enforcement. I never also made any connections between the usa side haiti. I also never suggested anyone else think like me. I also never suggested I am prosyletizing to anyone. I also never said to someone who has been aided or saved by law enforcement to share my opinion towards them. Please any who read my words remember these last statements. 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

Please any who read my words remember these last statements. 

It's a discussion forum. Your words and opinions are well documented. You're safe. 

[Pioneer1]

richardmurray

 

 

For me, none of your four questions has any role to his murder by law enforcement who supposedly are trained to handle situations to reach non violent conclusions.

Police are trained to handle a myriad of situations, both non-violently OR violently if they have to.

That's why they carry weapons like gats, mace, and batons.

Sometimes violence is necessary to prevent a situation from getting out of hand.

 

 

 

 

 If two of said supposedly trained, while armed with guns, law enforcements have no other recourse than to shoot to kill, that is an indictment on the entire development of law enforcers in the nypd. 

 

Not really.
It depends on the situation.

A person with a knife....especially if they are on drugs...can do a lot of harm.

 

I'm not saying that all NYPD killings are justified.
However again....
It's easy for those who aren't trained in law enforcement and aren't charged with the responsibility to keep THE PUBLIC (not just themselves where they can just keep walking past a fool they see on the street and go home) safe to "arm chair quarter back" the situation and say what the police should or shouldn't have done.

Especially from AfroAmericans, when we don't have a RECENT history of protecting our own communities and keeping them safe ourselves...but want to jump up and down screaming over how other folks are doing it.

 

The NYPD must not be THAT damn bad if Black folks in New York aren't starting their own police force to police their own communities like the Hasidic in New York do.

 

Again and again....I'm NOT saying the NYPD are saints.
What I AM saying is let's start policing OUR OWN communities first and then we will look more intelligent and have a more educated critique over what should or shouldn't be done in given situations.

 

[richardmurray]

@Pioneer1 

The NYPD itself wasn't started by the white populace of NYC it was started by wealthy whites to gain voting blocks. Now if you are asking why haven't wealthy blacks in NYC started a similar organization in NYC, well why don't you go ask them. 

 

You think the white, financially wealthy historically , smaller in quantity, jewish populace in nyc is comparable to the black, financially poorer historically, far larger in quantity , black populace in NYC? 

I assume you do but there lies the wall between our thinking. And comprehend, I am not interested in you changing but I will make sure you know, you are opposed by someone black. 

 

who will black people look more intelligent too, I didn't and do not  know black people needed and need to look intelligent to anyone non black plus  i thought  and think black people look intelligent to ourselves. At least I am fully satisfied to the intelligence to my people, excuse me , black people. 

@ProfD I know it isn't a disclaimer for protection or worries. I do it for the literal record. One of the problems with humans in modernity is the assumption what they write will be comprehended by those who read it plus what they write will be viewed by someone with correct positions who does read it.

Based on pioneer's words, he suggest many things about me, I do not want a black person thinking and if a black person comes upon his comment first and thinks that I want to refute that. I am not going to assume someone will take the time to read the whole, that is a dysfunctional assumption thus my verbosity. 

Verbosity online may be taxing, but for me it serves a value, cause centuries from now if the mangled library called the internet is viewed in pieces, the amount of short and sweet posts do little to make comprehensive points. I don't care what whites or non blacks think about me, but I do care what a black person may think or how a black person may think.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

I know it isn't a disclaimer for protection or worries. I do it for the literal record.

 

Verbosity online may be taxing, but for me it serves a value, cause centuries from now if the mangled library called the internet is viewed in pieces, the amount of short and sweet posts do little to make comprehensive points.

 

I do care what a black person may think or how a black person may think.

Understood.

 

Preserving for posterity just in case a future generations comes across and cares to read it.  

 

The internet will be the repository of information. Hopefully it will not go the way of libraries and books and magazines.

[Pioneer1]

richardmurray

 

 

Now if you are asking why haven't wealthy blacks in NYC started a similar organization in NYC, well why don't you go ask them. 

 

Why would I ask a question I already know the answers to...lol.

For the same reasons the poor and middle class Black New Yorkers aren't starting one.

 

 

 

You think the white, financially wealthy historically , smaller in quantity, jewish populace in nyc is comparable to the black, financially poorer historically, far larger in quantity , black populace in NYC? 

 

Why not?

They're both human beings.

Both have brains and the ability to think ahead and plan.
 

[richardmurray]

@ProfD well, let's be honest, the internet isn't separate from the library, it is a continuation from it, the reason why the internet seems disjointed from the library is the sinful/terrible engineering of the usa, which is not shocking , the usa has never been the best engineering country really, it is the greediest and through its greed people with quality come to it or stay in it, for the money. 

the obvious weakness in the equation the money itself, if the usa is never top dollar, what then? cause it has nothing else. 

 

@Pioneer1 I comprehend, money means nothing to you. 

 

 

[ProfD]

45 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

well, let's be honest, the internet isn't separate from the library, it is a continuation from it...

I didn't intend to separate them. IMO, lnternet and libraries are one and the same  in modernity.

 

45 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

the reason why the internet seems disjointed from the library is the sinful/terrible engineering of the usa, which is not shocking , the usa has never been the best engineering country really...

I'll take it you're referring to engineering from a social perspective instead technical.

 

45 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

...it is the greediest and through its greed people with quality come to it or stay in it, for the money. 

the obvious weakness in the equation the money itself, if the usa is never top dollar, what then? cause it has nothing else. 

Surely, the best and brightest minds and everyone else makes their way to the country once considered a beacon on a hill to take advantage of opportunities.

 

The USA is gangster. That's why it's a major travel destination and the strongest super power on the planet.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD no technical. 

 

No, the usa is imperial. Like all empires it gets attention from the countries it bullies. UK was no different. 

[Pioneer1]

7 hours ago, richardmurray said:

 

@Pioneer1 I comprehend, money means nothing to you. 

 

 

Lol....talk about an oxymoron.