WhenDidITurnBlack

[Pioneer1]

frankster

 

 

Maybe you should read that again.

 

What did I miss about what you said?

 

If you're talking about the blue eyes as opposed to green eyes, I saw that already but still included in my rebuttle because it rides along the same principle of you originally not considering those as "traits" and then later on admitting it.

 

 

 

No....They look primarily South Asian as in Indian and Middle Eastern as in Arabic than European to me

You're talking about region and ethnicity, and I'm talking about RACE.

See, this is why understanding the reality of RACE is so important.
Because Caucasians (as a race) spread abroad and conquered and occupied many lands.
If you're ignorant to the concept of race, then you could see a Caucasian oppressor in India whom you call "Aryan" and think him totally different than the Caucasian oppressor in the United States whom you call a "white man" who is totally different than the Caucasian oppressor in Africa whom you'll call "Arab"

 

They are all the same RACE...with different NAMES and slightly different CULTURES.
But they all have the same mentality....steal the land and oppress the darker skinned inhabitants they find dwelling in them.

 

 

 

I accept the idea that they came from Africa as fact

 

You can "accept" whatever you like.
Doesn't make it true or a fact.

 

If a cat has kittens inside an oven, you can "accept" them as being biscuits.
Doesn't make it true.

 

 

 

 

I am saying many Africans were there when Columbus arrived...... Maybe even more than so called Native American

 

I thought you said that the Native Americans WERE Africans???

 

 

No I am not saying they are Africans...at they time of Columbus they were very mixed with African...

 

Huh????

[frankster]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

 

 

Maybe you should read that again.

 

What did I miss about what you said?

 

If you're talking about the blue eyes as opposed to green eyes, I saw that already but still included in my rebuttle because it rides along the same principle of you originally not considering those as "traits" and then later on admitting it.

in simply words....a set of traits equal a phenotype.

I Never said a trait were or was equal to phenotype

 

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

No....They look primarily South Asian as in Indian and Middle Eastern as in Arabic than European to me

You're talking about region and ethnicity, and I'm talking about RACE.

In the USA today they would not be considered white....Arabs are not considered white neither are light skinned Indians.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

See, this is why understanding the reality of RACE is so important.
Because Caucasians (as a race) spread abroad and conquered and occupied many lands.
If you're ignorant to the concept of race, then you could see a Caucasian oppressor in India whom you call "Aryan" and think him totally different than the Caucasian oppressor in the United States whom you call a "white man" who is totally different than the Caucasian oppressor in Africa whom you'll call "Arab"

Are you saying Arabs are really White/Caucasians?

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

They are all the same RACE...with different NAMES and slightly different CULTURES.
But they all have the same mentality....steal the land and oppress the darker skinned inhabitants they find dwelling in them.

 Most racist whites would disagree...with them being of the same race as Arabs and Indians

Most Arabs are mixed with Black and some are even black.....same applies to Indian in South East Asia

If you mixed....What are you?

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I accept the idea that they came from Africa as fact

 

You can "accept" whatever you like.
Doesn't make it true or a fact.

 

If a cat has kittens inside an oven, you can "accept" them as being biscuits.
Doesn't make it true.

It has been a fact for awhile now .....

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I am saying many Africans were there when Columbus arrived...... Maybe even more than so called Native American

 

I thought you said that the Native Americans WERE Africans???

Many of them were.

The term "Native American" is used traditionally to represent a specific ethnic group...

Nevertheless the Word "Native" in and of itself has a particular meaning which i would be correct in using it to referring to Africans who were here when and before Columbus.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

No I am not saying they are Africans...at they time of Columbus they were very mixed with African...

Huh????

Those ethnic groups of peoples called Indians are not African.....

They are descendants of Africans and some are mixed with Africans from before Columbus arrived in the Americas.

[Pioneer1]

frankster

 

in simply words....a set of traits equal a phenotype.

I Never said a trait were or was equal to phenotype

 

Did anyone quote you as saying "equal to"???

 

 

 

In the USA today they would not be considered white....Arabs are not considered white neither are light skinned Indians

 

White isn't really a race, white is a COLOR.
You have African Albinos who are "white" in color.
 

The race is technically called: CAUCASIAN.

Most Arabs and Indians are considered CAUCASIAN racially.

 

 

 

Are you saying Arabs are really White/Caucasians?

 

Arab is an ethnic group that includes both Caucasian, African, and various admixtures of the two.

Some are Caucasian, others are not.

 

The original Arabs were Caucasian.

 

 

 

 

Most racist whites would disagree...with them being of the same race as Arabs and Indians

 

Most racist whites are IGNORANT as hell.
Who cares what they think or would "agree" with?

Just like I could care less about their dumb ass "one drop" rule.

 

 

 

If you mixed....What are you?

 

Mixed.

 

 

 

Those ethnic groups of peoples called Indians are not African.....

They are descendants of Africans and some are mixed with Africans from before Columbus arrived in the Americas.

 

If everyone comes from Africa...as you claim...then can't that be said about EVERY human being who arrived in the Americas....including Columbus and his crew?

[frankster]

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

 

in simply words....a set of traits equal a phenotype.

I Never said a trait were or was equal to phenotype

 

Did anyone quote you as saying "equal to"???

Okay then what did you say?

I Am sure I never said traits and Phenotype were the same.....What I said was traits make up phenotype or something similar.

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

In the USA today they would not be considered white....Arabs are not considered white neither are light skinned Indians

 

White isn't really a race, white is a COLOR.
You have African Albinos who are "white" in color.

True

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The race is technically called: CAUCASIAN.

Most Arabs and Indians are considered CAUCASIAN racially.

Why Are they "TECHNICALLY CONSIDERED" Caucasians?

How are the different from Caucasians?

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Are you saying Arabs are really White/Caucasians?

 

Arab is an ethnic group that includes both Caucasian, African, and various admixtures of the two.

Some are Caucasian, others are not.

Of Those that have or include "admixture" are they Caucasians or Africans?

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

The original Arabs were Caucasian.

You mean like how the Caucasians were originally Africans

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Most racist whites would disagree...with them being of the same race as Arabs and Indians

 

Most racist whites are IGNORANT as hell.
Who cares what they think or would "agree" with?

Just like I could care less about their dumb ass "one drop" rule.

Not only have you adopted this idea of race from these IGNORANT racist....you are now making improvement to it - lol.

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If you mixed....What are you?

 

Mixed.

Is "Mixed" then a new Race?

 

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Those ethnic groups of peoples called Indians are not African.....

They are descendants of Africans and some are mixed with Africans from before Columbus arrived in the Americas.

 

If everyone comes from Africa...as you claim...then can't that be said about EVERY human being who arrived in the Americas....including Columbus and his crew?

Sure can....we all Africans

[Pioneer1]

frankster

 

 

Okay then what did you say?

 

I said that YOU said traits were NOT phenotypes.

 

 

 

I Am sure I never said traits and Phenotype were the same

 

Again, nobody said you said that.

 

 

 

 

What I said was traits make up phenotype or something similar.

 

After saying that traits were NOT phenotypes, you finally admitted that they were a SUBSET of phenotypes.

Kind of like first saying that women are NOT humans, but then later on finally admitting that they are a SUBSET of humans along with men.

 

 

 

Why Are they "TECHNICALLY CONSIDERED" Caucasians?

 

Because most archeologists and social scientists who make these determinations consider them as such despite their various admixtures.

 

 

 

 

How are the different from Caucasians?

 

Many if not most of them ARE Caucasians.
So there is little difference.

But many of them are NOT actual Caucasians despite their classification, and are actually African or mixed.

 

Of Those that have or include "admixture" are they Caucasians or Africans?

 

Some are Caucasian, some are African, and some are neither but pretty much an even mix.

 

 

 

You mean like how the Caucasians were originally Africans

 

No.
Meaning, they were Caucasians when they began calling themselves "Arab", even before mixing in with other people.

 

 

 

 

Not only have you adopted this idea of race from these IGNORANT racist....you are now making improvement to it - lol.

 

How can one "adopt" something that is common sense and easily observable?

You don't have to be a White racist to easily see the difference between Donald Trump and Wesley Snipes.

 

 

 

Is "Mixed" then a new Race?

 

No.
Depending on the society it could be considered a combination of different races or an entire race in and of itself.
 

[frankster]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

 

 

Okay then what did you say?

 

I said that YOU said traits were NOT phenotypes.

They are not Phenotypes

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I Am sure I never said traits and Phenotype were the same

 

Again, nobody said you said that.

ok

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

What I said was traits make up phenotype or something similar.

 

After saying that traits were NOT phenotypes, you finally admitted that they were a SUBSET of phenotypes.

Yes I stand by what I said and see no contradiction....Traits are not phenotype

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Kind of like first saying that women are NOT humans, but then later on finally admitting that they are a SUBSET of humans along with men.

That was your confusion....not mine

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Why Are they "TECHNICALLY CONSIDERED" Caucasians?

 

Because most archeologists and social scientists who make these determinations consider them as such despite their various admixtures.

Seems like they are not sure and are just making it up....to suit a political agenda or another.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

How are the different from Caucasians?

 

Many if not most of them ARE Caucasians.

ok

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

So there is little difference.

But many of them are NOT actual Caucasians despite their classification, and are actually African or mixed.

So their is no distinct and discreet determination as to the when one is no longer considered a caucasian it is a guess based on personal opinion.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Of Those that have or include "admixture" are they Caucasians or Africans?

 

Some are Caucasian, some are African, and some are neither but pretty much an even mix.

Some remain caucasian...even after admixture?

Others remain Africans...even after admixture?

And what is the even mixed now a new race or both?

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You mean like how the Caucasians were originally Africans

 

No.
Meaning, they were Caucasians when they began calling themselves "Arab", even before mixing in with other people.

They were Africans before calling themselves caucasians....even before mixing

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

Not only have you adopted this idea of race from these IGNORANT racist....you are now making improvement to it - lol.

 

How can one "adopt" something that is common sense and easily observable?

You don't have to be a White racist to easily see the difference between Donald Trump and Wesley Snipes.

I See Two Human beings.

Are there differences....yes

My biological brother and I also have differences.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Is "Mixed" then a new Race?

 

No.
Depending on the society it could be considered a combination of different races or an entire race in and of itself.
 

What do you think ? new race?

Or do you need A white man to decide for you?

 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

frankster

 

 

They are not Phenotypes

 

You said they were SUBSETS of phenotypes.

 

 

Yes I stand by what I said and see no contradiction....Traits are not phenotype

 

You said traits were SUBSETS of phenotypes.

 

 

Webster's Dictionary defines phenotype as:

 

: the observable characteristics or traits of an organism that are produced by the interaction of the genotype and the environment : the physical expression of one or more genes

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/phenotype#:~:text=Medical Definition-,phenotype,of one or more genes

 

 

Since you like to make them up, what is YOUR definition of a phenotype?

 

 

 

That was your confusion....not mine

 

Ha haaaaa.....
Trust me my brutha, I am NOT confused. 

 

 

 

Seems like they are not sure and are just making it up....to suit a political agenda or another.

 

They are sure; but they like to play word games ALSO to suit their agendas.

They decide who falls into what race based on how many Caucasians are available in the population to help rule.

 

In a majority Black country...they may decide that ANY White ancestry will make you White, because they need the extra support.

But in a country where Caucasians are the overwhelming majority....they may turn around and decide that ONLY those who are 100% White will be accepted into the White category.

 

 

 

So their is no distinct and discreet determination as to the when one is no longer considered a caucasian it is a guess based on personal opinion.

 

Sometimes it is.
Other times, the government/system and culture will decided how much of Caucasian ancestry is enough to make one Caucasian.

 

Only recently has it been a personal opinion where people could decide what race they were.
In the past, in Western society the racists made that determination for you based on their agenda.

 

 

 

Some remain caucasian...even after admixture?

 

Yes, just like most Greeks and Italians have Black ancestry but most of them are still considered European Caucasians.

 

 

 

Others remain Africans...even after admixture?

 

Yes, just like most AfroAmericans have Caucasian admixture but for the most part most of us are still considered Black.

 

 

 

And what is the even mixed now a new race or both?

 

Most Latinos are mixed, and they are now considered a relatively "new" race less than 600 years old.
Although Latino isn't really a race but an ethnic group, but they are treated as an entire race.

 

They were Africans before calling themselves caucasians....even before mixing

 

I see you don't know the history of the Arab people.

 

 

 

 

 

I See Two Human beings.

Are there differences....yes

My biological brother and I also have differences

That's like saying....when I point out a steak and carrot and say one is a meat and the other is a vegetable...you turn around and say you just see two pieces of food.

Duhhh......

Who DOESN'T realize that?

But they still fall under two different categories.

 

 

 

Or do you need A white man to decide for you?

 

Whether I "need" him to do it or not...he's going to.
We should learn a lesson from him and start making OUR OWN decisions as well.

[frankster]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

They are not Phenotypes

 

You said they were SUBSETS of phenotypes.

Yes

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Yes I stand by what I said and see no contradiction....Traits are not phenotype

 

You said traits were SUBSETS of phenotypes.

yes

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

Webster's Dictionary defines phenotype as:

 

: the observable characteristics or traits of an organism that are produced by the interaction of the genotype and the environment : the physical expression of one or more genes

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/phenotype#:~:text=Medical Definition-,phenotype,of one or more genes

 

 

Since you like to make them up, what is YOUR definition of a phenotype?

Please Note it saids "traits" as in plural whilst "phenotype" is singular

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

That was your confusion....not mine

 

Ha haaaaa.....
Trust me my brutha, I am NOT confused. 

cool

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Seems like they are not sure and are just making it up....to suit a political agenda or another.

 

They are sure; but they like to play word games ALSO to suit their agendas.

They decide who falls into what race based on how many Caucasians are available in the population to help rule.

 

In a majority Black country...they may decide that ANY White ancestry will make you White, because they need the extra support.

But in a country where Caucasians are the overwhelming majority....they may turn around and decide that ONLY those who are 100% White will be accepted into the White category.

Hence it is social and politically motivated maintain and constructed - no basis in biology or science.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

So their is no distinct and discreet determination as to the when one is no longer considered a caucasian it is a guess based on personal opinion.

 

Sometimes it is.
Other times, the government/system and culture will decided how much of Caucasian ancestry is enough to make one Caucasian.

 

Only recently has it been a personal opinion where people could decide what race they were.
In the past, in Western society the racists made that determination for you based on their agenda.

Thanks

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Some remain caucasian...even after admixture?

 

Yes, just like most Greeks and Italians have Black ancestry but most of them are still considered European Caucasians.

Considered not accepted as fact.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Others remain Africans...even after admixture?

 

Yes, just like most AfroAmericans have Caucasian admixture but for the most part most of us are still considered Black.

Considered not accepted as fact.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

And what is the even mixed now a new race or both?

 

Most Latinos are mixed, and they are now considered a relatively "new" race less than 600 years old.
Although Latino isn't really a race but an ethnic group, but they are treated as an entire race.

Are you ceding ground?

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

They were Africans before calling themselves caucasians....even before mixing

 

I see you don't know the history of the Arab people.

I know all humans originate from or out of Africa.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I See Two Human beings.

Are there differences....yes

My biological brother and I also have differences

That's like saying....when I point out a steak and carrot and say one is a meat and the other is a vegetable...you turn around and say you just see two pieces of food.

Duhhh......

Who DOESN'T realize that?

But they still fall under two different categories.

They still Food...so long as the are agreeable healthy and edible

All other considering is negligible

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Or do you need A white man to decide for you?

 

Whether I "need" him to do it or not...he's going to.
We should learn a lesson from him and start making OUR OWN decisions as well.

I am making my own decisions and ideas.....with regard to whats factual and what is socio-political engineering

 

[Troy]

On 8/31/2024 at 2:04 PM, Pioneer1 said:

After being corrected....instead of admitting your mistake....you start babbling and uttering a bunch of useless information that barely pertains to the subject.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black LOL!!

 

 

[Laydee Gaga]

I refuse to allow Black people to tell what race someone is because its always flawed. "If everyone considers such and such black then they are black" yet they never post proof of whites,asians etc calling people like this black. 

I refuse to allow Black people to tell what race someone is because its always flawed. "If everyone considers such and such black then they are black" yet they never post proof of whites,asians etc calling people like this black. 

I refuse to allow Black people to tell what race someone is because its always flawed. "If everyone considers such and such black then they are black" yet they never post proof of whites,asians etc calling people like this black. 

[Pioneer1]

On 10/16/2024 at 3:37 PM, Laydee Gaga said:

I refuse to allow Black people to tell what race someone is because its always flawed. "If everyone considers such and such black then they are black" yet they never post proof of whites,asians etc calling people like this black. 

I refuse to allow Black people to tell what race someone is because its always flawed. "If everyone considers such and such black then they are black" yet they never post proof of whites,asians etc calling people like this black. 

I refuse to allow Black people to tell what race someone is because its always flawed. "If everyone considers such and such black then they are black" yet they never post proof of whites,asians etc calling people like this black. 

 

I heard you the first time....lol.

I understand your point.
One of the reasons so many of our people love the "one drop" rule is because a lot of our people want EVERYBODY to be "Black".
They want to form some sort of connection and coalition with people, even if those people don't want to form a connection or coalition with them.

It comes from low self esteem.

When you think Latinos look better than the Black folks you grew up with, you come up with excuses to try to "include" them in your group.
If you think Italians or Arabs are smarter than the Black folks you grew up with, you come up with excuses to try to "include" them with your people.

You start digging into history and pointing out how much Black ancestry such-n-such has in them  in hopes that they may see you as a "sister" or "brother" and hook up with you.

I stopped doing that years ago.

Although I acknowledge the Black ancestry of Latinos and that many Latinos indeed ARE Black just like many Arabs ARE Black and many if not most of them certainly have Black ancestry....I don't claim their ethnicity as the same as mine.
I let them wander off and do their own thing.

Power is EXCLUSIVE...not INCLUSIVE.

If you really love who you are and are proud of your people....you don't go around trying to include everybody in that group.
You start coming up with reasons and excuses NOT to include them...and then start looking at bonified members of that groups sideways and even come up with ways to justify kicking some of THEM out if they move kinda funny, lol.


 

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If you really love who you are and are proud of your people....you don't go around trying to include everybody in that group.

Facts. Delineate. Close ranks. Build internally with like-minded folks. Consolidate power and influence in order to make constructive moves strategically.