The Interracial Reality: Are White Men Gaining Traction? :Observation On Sexual Racism

[Troy]

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

....what does that say?

I don’t know maybe she spent a lot of time with white people feels comfortable with them?

 

@Pioneer1 tell your boy to join a church. I hear there are plenty of sisters there. Go to a yoga class — any class —join a pickle ball league.  Go to literary events…. 

 

48 minutes ago, ProfD said:

It says rich Black women have as many options as men.

Not off they are looking for another black man. I think we are all largely bound to people within a narrow band of people in our socio-economic level. Course if you are super attractive you can marry up.
 

[ProfD]

15 minutes ago, Troy said:

Not off they are looking for another black man. I think we are all largely bound to people within a narrow band of people in our socio-economic level. Course if you are super attractive you can marry up.

Right.  I was referring to rich Black women having options other than Black men. 

 

I believe both Williams sisters are married to dudes who already had their own money.

 

I remember when Janet Jackson stepped off from JD and got pregnant by a wealthy Middle Eastern dude.  She was over there wearing hijabs and burqas.

[Pioneer1]

 

Troy

The man is 61, I think he's tried all of that already.
Honestly, I'm not sure what his deal is because I've tried to hook him up once but the lady said that during the date...all he wanted to do was sit in the car and talk.
Literally, that's ALL he wanted to do...lol.

He doesn't have children either.
After hearing that from her, part of me wants to ask him if he's still a virgin....but I just won't do it, lol.
 

 

ProfD

I don't think Venus is married, but I think she IS dating a White dude.

Venus was always my favorite by the way.
Far more feminine, not only in body structure but in attitude.

 

[ProfD]

12 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I don't think Venus is married, but I think she IS dating a White dude.

Yep. The sisters have been about those white dudes for a long time now.

12 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Venus was always my favorite by the way.
Far more feminine, not only in body structure but in attitude.

Can't go wrong with either one. They're well built and beautiful sistas.

[Pioneer1]

6 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Yep. The sisters have been about those white dudes for a long time now.

Can't go wrong with either one. They're well built and beautiful sistas.

 

That big butt was an attraction, but Serena's muscular arms and aggressive personality was a turn off for me.
The fact that Venus tends to cry more and is more shy is actually a TURN ON.
 

[ProfD]

10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

The fact that Venus tends to cry more and is more shy is actually a TURN ON.

Gotta be careful with those emotional women especially when they get upset or angry. Sometimes they can be Cuckoo for Co Co Puffs.

[Pioneer1]

17 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Gotta be careful with those emotional women especially when they get upset or angry. Sometimes they can be Cuckoo for Co Co Puffs.

As quiet as it's kept.....
Many men find non-violent....I stress again NON-VIOLENT...emotionally unstable women...sexy as hell!

 

[ProfD]

3 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

As quiet as it's kept.....
Many men find non-violent....I stress again NON-VIOLENT...emotionally unstable women...sexy as hell!

Yep. Dat crazy snatch box is fun and exciting until all 4 tires on the vehicle are flat.

 

As the O'jays sang, "ask me how I know and I'll yell you so...she used to be my girl."

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

How many times did I have to stress NON-VIOLENT?

Or do you not consider slashing a man's tires an act of "violence"???
If not, ask the car ITSELF was it violent....lol.

You haven't seen a real non-violent "get back" from a crazy woman until you've walked outside on a cold winter morning to find FROZEN HONEY smeared all over your windshield...lol.

[ProfD]

58 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

How many times did I have to stress NON-VIOLENT?

Or do you not consider slashing a man's tires an act of "violence"???
If not, ask the car ITSELF was it violent....lol.

Slashing tires is a non-violent offense.  The vehicle isn't considered injured.

58 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

You haven't seen a real non-violent "get back" from a crazy woman until you've walked outside on a cold winter morning to find FROZEN HONEY smeared all over your windshield...lol.

It takes a certain kind of crazy to waste money buying honey to smear on somebody's windshield. 

 

Still non-violent though.  The vehicle isn't considered visually impaired as a result.

[Pioneer1]

4 minutes ago, ProfD said:

The vehicle isn't considered visually impaired as a result.

What about YOUR vision while trying to drive with that shit on it?
 

[ProfD]

20 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

What about YOUR vision while trying to drive with that shit on it?

Definitely a challenge.

 

Only thing to do is *think* about is whether or not that crazy snatch box is worth poking...again.

[Pioneer1]

9 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Definitely a challenge.

 

Only thing to do is *think* about is whether or not that crazy snatch box is worth poking...again.

 

Well.......

 

I've learned that it DOES tend to come off quite easily with hot water and a little soap.....

[Troy]

Has anyone said "Y'all are crazy"

 

@Pioneer1 your 61-year-old friend is clearly not interested in a woman.  His behavior demonstrates that. His talk is probably just a defense mechanism to explain his lack of having a woman.  Which society still frowns upon.

 

And y'all definitely have different taste in women than I do.  LOL!

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, Troy said:

Has anyone said "Y'all are crazy"

Flat tires and a honey smeared windshield doesn't make us crazy.

4 hours ago, Troy said:

And y'all definitely have different taste in women than I do.  LOL!

Well, it's too late to get yourself some crazy cat.

 

Mature women have just as much to lose as a man. They see the value in boundaries too.

[Pioneer1]

Troy

 

 

your 61-year-old friend is clearly not interested in a woman.

 

Maybe, maybe not.
But as I said, there are a LOT of Black men in this society that I know offline who are having trouble actually forming sexual relationships with women.
And these men aren't deformed or retarded or psychotic.
They are relatively normal.
 

I actually know a few White men in the same condition, but many more Black men.

Since being a kid I've known dudes who didn't SEEM to be gay and SEEMED to like women, but for one reason or another just didn't have or want an actual girl/woman.  But the difference is, back then they would still have SOME girls/women approaching them and trying to get with them even if they showed little interest.

What seems ODD to me about his situation and others is the fact that women aren't hitting on them now, as they did in the past.
There seems to be a DIS-INTEREST in them by women, which in my opinion is unnatural.

Even if a man isn't interested in women, if he looks relatively normal and isn't running off into the woods crazy...there used to be a time where atleast a FEW lonely women in the community would be "checking" for him and asking about him and even following him around jocking for his attention.
I don't see that happening now.
 

Besides media influence and social engineering, perhaps it comes from the probability that there may be TOO MANY MEN in this society...lol.

Of all races

In the past, because of the military and war and other factors...women tended to outnumber men.
Today I see just as many if not more men of all races walking around on the streets, in the malls, at work, etc...than women.

Perhaps the "over abundance" of men have lowered their value in the eyes of some women.

 

 

 

ProfD

 

Mature women have just as much to lose as a man. They see the value in boundaries too

 

The thing I love about mature women is that they know EXACTLY what they want and play far fewer games.

If all they want is sex, they pretty much make that clear.

 

And like you said, they see the value in boundaries.

I have my place and you have yours.
You aren't trying to sneak over to my place and half-way live with me because you don't have anywhere else to go.
You have your own place and your own life.

 

I like that.
 

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

...there used to be a time where atleast a FEW lonely women in the community would be "checking" for him and asking about him and even following him around jocking for his attention.
I don't see that happening now.

Women definitely aren't running behind or checking for men over 50 years old. That dude has to use his mouth piece or wallet.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The thing I love about mature women is that they know EXACTLY what they want and play far fewer games.

Mature women aren't going to run behind or check for a man. They know how to get attention if/when it's desired.

 

Times have changed a bit in society as a result of education, technology, opportunities and lifestyles, etc. Folks have more options.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Women definitely aren't running behind or checking for men over 50 years old. That dude has to use his mouth piece or wallet.

 

Now in MY "Reality" that hasn't been the case or general observation!

Besides myself, I know quite a few bruthaz over 50 who have atleast 2 or 3 women chasing them around trying to start relationships with them.
 

Now mind you, these women usually aren't the MOST attractive.
They tend to be the big backed "I'm looking for me a manz" type like that sista tossing down the shots in Coming To America, or in some cases the "ran through and used up" types, lol.
But they are there.

And when I say "chase",  I mean flirting with you whenever they see you, hoping you'll eventually take the bate.

 

 

Mature women aren't going to run behind or check for a man. They know how to get attention if/when it's desired.

Well, these women I was talking about tend to be over 40...lol.

 

Now you said "mature"; so perhaps you're talking more MIND SET than age.

 

But a lot of these sistaz were ran through by the thugs when they were younger or just generally not the most attractive so they're constantly LOOKING for a husband, boyfriend, or some man to keep them warm at night.

They tend to hit on any brutha they have prolonged contact with like in the same apartment complex, same job, etc...

 

 

 

 

Times have changed a bit in society as a result of education, technology, opportunities and lifestyles, etc. Folks have more options

 

Yeah...like fucking White men guilt free.

40 years ago the ONLY Black woman you saw with a White man was Helen on The Jeffersons....lol.
Today, you can't go to a shopping mall without seeing some thick hipped sista walking around with a blue eyed....something-or-other and often times pushing a baby carriage, lol.

 

Kamala getting elected would have only made it worse...lol.
 

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Now mind you, these women usually aren't the MOST attractive.

They tend to be the big backed "I'm looking for me a manz" type like that sista tossing down the shots in Coming To America, or in some cases the "ran through and used up" types, lol.

Of course, those booger wolves are checking for any dude with a pulse. Free prostitutes.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But they are there.

And when I say "chase",  I mean flirting with you whenever they see you, hoping you'll eventually take the bate.

OK. I don't see booger wolf big game hunting as a flex.

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Now you said "mature"; so perhaps you're talking more MIND SET than age.

Mature to the point that they aren't checking for dudes. They wait to be approached. 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But a lot of these sistaz were ran through by the thugs when they were younger or just generally not the most attractive so they're constantly LOOKING for a husband, boyfriend, or some man to keep them warm at night.

They tend to hit on any brutha they have prolonged contact with like in the same apartment complex, same job, etc...

They're no different from broke azz n8gglets looking for an established woman as a come up.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Yeah...like fucking White men guilt free.

The women have more options too.

[nels]

On 10/20/2024 at 5:37 PM, Pioneer1 said:

This is a huge problem

Until we get past race, we get past nothing.

[Troy]

@nels unfortunately race is deeply infused into American culture. 
As crazy as it might sound, I think it would be a good idea to remove racial categories from everything census forms, college applications, police reports everything.

 

As a people, we’ve already demonstrated the fact that our race is secondary to our culture. You have so-called straight up white women running NAACP chapters as as a black person and Black people supporting Trump In the deep south.

 

As I’ve tried to explain to @Pioneer1 over the years race is purely a social construct with no basis genetics. Again, we should completely dispense with it, but this is America and that probably won’t happen at any of our lifetimes.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Of course, those booger wolves are checking for any dude with a pulse. Free prostitutes.

 

That's all some men want, lol.

 

OK. I don't see booger wolf big game hunting as a flex.

 

If all a man wants IS somebody to fuck, then they aren't interested in flexing and showing out.
They just want a hole..lol.

They'd stick their dick in a RABBIT HOLE if they got horny enough, lol.


 

The women have more options too.

Besides rape itself, when has the Black woman NOT have the option to fuck a White man????

They BEEN had options to fuck White men, for hundreds of years.

They just didn't ACT on those options, unless she was raped or otherwise forced to....which so many where.
 

The difference is that today, many of them are ACTING on those options.

Troy & nels

Until we get past race, we get past nothing.
 

Telling somebody to "get past race" is like telling a person with End Stage Cancer to just "get past" all of those tumors and muscle wasting, get up out the hospital bed, and go train for the next Olympics....and don't let it stop them.
 

You can try to deny Reality and play ignorant like racism doesn't exist all you want, but at some point REALITY will....in the words of Jay Z...."stop your buffoonery".

[ProfD]

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The women have more options too.

The difference is that today, many of them are ACTING on those options.

Maybe those women are finding white men attractive.

 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

11 hours ago, ProfD said:

Maybe those women are finding white men attractive.

 

That's obvious.
The question is....WHY?
And WHY NOW?

We're close to the same age, so you remember the 80s and 90s like I do.

Now based on what I remember..........
Most Black American women and even many if not most White women didn't even find White men that attractive back in those decades.
Most Black American women wanted Black men, barely looked at White men for sexual purposes...and a good half of White women felt the same way.

It was clearly understood...in the United States atleast...that from a SEXUAL point of view, Black men collectively were clearly the most attractive.

You didn't hear about Black "incels" and many White men were engaging in perversion and even committing suicide out of loneliness and lack of ability to attract women and "get laid" as they say, lol.

Now ofcourse there were exceptions to this on both sides, but this is what I recall society was like back in the 80s and 90s.

Before we go any further....am I lying or making this up do you remember this being the case also?

And if this WAS the case, my question is WHAT CHANGED about White men OR Black women that all of a sudden they became more "attractive"?

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

That's obvious.
The question is....WHY?
And WHY NOW?

Times change especially as people grow up in different environments.

 

Black people who grow up in mixed environments are exposed to non-Black people.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Most Black American women wanted Black men, barely looked at White men for sexual purposes...

It was clearly understood...in the United States atleast...that from a SEXUAL point of view, Black men collectively were clearly the most attractive.

 

You're looking at it from a s8xual point of view.

 

Attraction is based on several factors especially once people mature beyond s8xual desires.

 

The f8cking is gonna happen if that's what two people decide to do. How they get there is based on some level of mutual attraction.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Now ofcourse there were exceptions to this on both sides, but this is what I recall society was like back in the 80s and 90s.

Your perspectives are often based on a 40 year old looking glass.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Before we go any further....am I lying or making this up do you remember this being the case also?

You're not lying based on VGQ.

 

I do not recall it from the same perspective because I grew up in a chocolate city that had very few non-Black fokks in it.

 

40 years ago, my environment was very different from a place like NYC where all types of people are mixed together. 

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

And if this WAS the case, my question is WHAT CHANGED about White men OR Black women that all of a sudden they became more "attractive"?

Again, if there was any change at all, it would be 1) environment,  2) maturity level and 3) expectations.

 

Younger folks have s8x for fun. As women get their older, there s8xual needs become tied to tangible benefits...money, status, security, power, etc.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Times change especially as people grow up in different environments.

Black people who grow up in mixed environments are exposed to non-Black people.

 

True.

But during the 2 years I went to a mixed (actually predominately white) Middle school, I didn't see ANY of the Black or Mixed girls with White boys.  
Nor did I see or hear of them being attracted to any of them.

 

 

You're not lying based on VGQ.

 

LOL
 

 

 

I do not recall it from the same perspective because I grew up in a chocolate city that had very few non-Black fokks in it.

 

OK.
But you didn't get a chance to visit the suburbs from time to time as a child?

If so, you mean to tell me that as a kid and teenager and young adult that you ONLY focused on what the Black folks were doing and didn't pay much attention to what the non-Black people were up to?

 

 

Again, if there was any change at all, it would be 1) environment,  2) maturity level and 3) expectations.

Sounds like you're suggesting that there WASN'T much of a change in the sexual relationship between White men and Black women.
Atleast from your perspective.

 
 

[ProfD]

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

OK.
But you didn't get a chance to visit the suburbs from time to time as a child?

If so, you mean to tell me that as a kid and teenager and young adult that you ONLY focused on what the Black folks were doing and didn't pay much attention to what the non-Black people were up to?

As a young person, I stayed in the suburbs with my grandparents during summer breaks. Where they lived, it was predominantly Black folks too.

 

In those suburbs, the only interaction with non-Black folks I'd see was playing sports at the rec center.

 

A few white folks would show up to play football, baseball or basketball. Didn't pay attention to whether or not there was any attraction among them one way or another.  

 

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Again, if there was any change at all, it would be 1) environment,  2) maturity level and 3) expectations.

Sounds like you're suggesting that there WASN'T much of a change in the sexual relationship between White men and Black women.
Atleast from your perspective.

So, from my experience, I cannot say there's a difference between 40 years ago and now.

 

I'd imagine some folks from liberal California would tell us that white men have been attractive to non-white women for several decades.

 

Racism may have kept it the low. Like the alphabet soup community, everything has come out of the closet.

[Pioneer1]

Not sure about California or D.C. but in the Detroit area (the city as well as in the suburbs) the vast vast majority of Black women didn't fuck with White men...sexually.

As I said, if there WAS sexual interaction it was usually FINACIAL in nature.

1. For a job or to keep a job.
2. Prostitution
3. To get out of a ticket

 

Again, there were a few exceptions...but for the most part I heard Black girls and Black women EXPLICITY say that they didn't find White boys/men attractive and that they didn't make them "wet".

I've heard this more times than I remember at the moment.

 

I've even heard some of them say that they thought White men were "cute" or "pretty" in a feminine sort of way but not in a manly masculine sort of way.

Again, this is what I heard back in the 80s and 90s.

 

Not sure what changed between then and now.
 

I suspect INTEGRATION may have changed things when more White men started hanging around Black men learning OUR ways of dress, action, and speech and it probably made them more appealing.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Not sure what changed between then and now.

It would be helpful to know the age range of women.

 

As I mentioned in the other thread, a woman's standards can change over time. 

 

A  woman in the 20-30 year old range has totally different options and expectations than her mother and grandmother.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I suspect INTEGRATION may have changed things when more White men started hanging around Black men learning OUR ways of dress, action, and speech and it probably made them more appealing.

I don't think so.  No amount of Hip-Hop music and culture has given white dudes a pass to Black women. 

 

Again, a woman's attraction to a man depends on several factors i.e. age, environment, circumstances, etc.

[Danielle Coulanges]

I'm late to this topic, but I'm going to add my two cents in anyway.  Most people wish for a partner who would be there for them and treat them right.  A lot of Black women would prefer a partner who can identify with Black culture, but as one of you mentioned, available Black men have "their pick of the litter."  Consequently, many women vying for the few available men. So what's a sistah to do? No one wants to be lonely. So she broadens her horizon. What you are seeing in a proliferation of white males/black females relationships is Black women getting bolder at making the choice to seek a partner, outside of race, wherever one is attainable.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

A  woman in the 20-30 year old range has totally different options and expectations than her mother and grandmother.

 

True.
However if a 25 year old woman's options and expectations from men are different than her mother's and grandmother's when THEY were 25....then that says that perhaps the CONDITIONS in society may have changed.

 

If her mother and grandmother didn't find White men sexually attractive and almost never considered wanting to have sex with one, but SHE grows up CRAVING a pink penis and overwhelmingly chooses White lovers.....something is going on.

 

 

I don't think so.  No amount of Hip-Hop music and culture has given white dudes a pass to Black women. 

 

That hasn't been my observation at all.

I've seen White men attract Black AND White girls by "acting" like a stereotypical urban AfroAmerican man.
I'm talking about walking around with a swag, a doo-rag on, and playing Hiphop music.

 

When I see this, it tells me that these women like the STYLE of Black men...even if they don't like the Black men who produced it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Danielle  Coulanges

 

I'm late to this topic, but I'm going to add my two cents in anyway. 
 

Don't worry, you're right on time...lol.

 

 Most people wish for a partner who would be there for them and treat them right.  A lot of Black women would prefer a partner who can identify with Black culture, but as one of you mentioned, available Black men have "their pick of the litter."  
 

Well I certainly didn't mention it, because I don't believe it's true.

I've said over and over again that there are PLENTY of "available" Black men out there.
Black men who are heterosexual, with jobs, and who are relatively healthy both mentally and physically.
MILLIONS of them...of different ages and income brackets.
 

They are just being looked over or ignored statistically.

We can be in a shopping mall FULL of handsome Black men with nice clothes and good jobs walking around either by themselves or in groups and the narrative of "not enough Black men" will still be pushed.

So what's a sistah to do?
 

Whatever she wants to....lol.
Which has been the case for some time.

 What you are seeing in a proliferation of white males/black females relationships is Black women getting bolder at making the choice to seek a partner, outside of race, wherever one is attainable.
 

True.
Many Black women HAVE become bolder in publicly announcing how attracted they are to White men and how much they desire a sexual relationship with one.

...in a way I haven't seen any OTHER race of women do to Black men.
 

I know how much White women find Black men sexually attractive, yet I don't see them all over the internet boldly begging them for some Black vitamin-D or dissing White men while praising our virtues as Black men.

I definitely don't see Asian and Latina women doing it for ANY other race of men besides their own, even if they DO secretly desire White men more.
 

To broaden one's sexual options is fair.
To be open to interracial dating and sexual relationships is fair.

But to publicly broadcast how much you love the men of another race and beg them for a sexual relationship AND openly demonize and castigate the men of your own race....is pathological.

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

However if a 25 year old woman's options and expectations from men are different than her mother's and grandmother's when THEY were 25....then that says that perhaps the CONDITIONS in society may have changed.

 

If her mother and grandmother didn't find White men sexually attractive and almost never considered wanting to hav

Times change from one generation to another.

 

Age, environment, technology, etc., are factors.

 

Cable TV and the internet have shrunk the globe. People *see* things differently. 

 

There was a time when people never left the place they were born. They lived, married and raised their families within a small radius. 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

That hasn't been my observation at all.

I've seen White men attract Black AND White girls by "acting" like a stereotypical urban AfroAmerican man.
I'm talking about walking around with a swag, a doo-rag on, and playing Hiphop music.

 

When I see this, it tells me that these women like the STYLE of Black men...even if they don't like the Black men who produced it.

Again, it helps to know the age range and maturity level of women to whom you're referring. 

 

I dont see too many mature women falling  for that act or look from a man of any color.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Times and culture change, but BIOLOGY doesn't.
Not that quickly anyway.

 

There are certain traits that heterosexual MEN find sexually attractive and certain traits that heterosexual WOMEN find sexually attractive.
Nature has HARDWIRED these certain attractions into us so that they are universal and no matter what culture or time males and females seek them in the opposite sex.

These traits shouldn't "change" from one generation to the next.

You don't find Black men loving sistaz with big round asses ONE generation and then next generation they're chasing after Asian women with flat asses.

Naw....that doesn't happen.

Again, something isn't right about the situation with a lot of our women all of a sudden falling in love with White men if they weren't in the past.

 

 

Again, it helps to know the age range and maturity level of women to whom you're referring. 
 I dont see too many mature women falling  for that act or look from a man of any color

 

Bro, neither AGE or MATURITY matters.

If a quarter or a third or even HALF of the women in society are chasing after White men who "act Black" while carefully avoiding Black men....that's a problem.

 

Who cares if they're only 20 or 25?
They're still women.

 

Who cares if they are mentally immature?
They're still women.

 

They're still the opposite sex and serve a purpose.

 

They're still potential mating partners who are being lured away from US.

 

The primary role of most women in the lives of most men is to fuck them and make children with them...not enjoy "mature conversation" with them.
So if something is happening in society to INTERUPT or INTERFERE with that process so that our bruthas...for one reason or another...are NOT fucking them and making babies with them, it's a problem.
 

[ProfD]

8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Times and culture change, but BIOLOGY doesn't.

Right.  Human biology has not changed in terms of physical and s8xual attraction.  Human beings are designed to procreate. 

 

Regardless of attraction, a fertile man and woman from anywhere on the planet can get busy and reproduce another human being if they so desire.

 

8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Again, something isn't right about the situation with a lot of our women all of a sudden falling in love with White men if they weren't in the past.

 

If a quarter or a third or even HALF of the women in society are chasing after White men who "act Black" while carefully avoiding Black men....that's a problem.

 

They're still potential mating partners who are being lured away from US.

I don't believe Black women are falling in love with white men all of sudden.  Black women are exploring their options. 

 

Whatever it entails, the fact remains that a man has to be attractive in order to lock down a woman of any color. 

 

Maybe it would be worthwhile to 1) ask Black women what they find attractive about white men or 2) ask white men what they have that make them more attractive.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD
 

Regardless of attraction, a fertile man and woman from anywhere on the planet can get busy and reproduce another human being if they so desire.
I don't believe Black women are falling in love with white men all of sudden.  Black women are exploring their options. 
 

This is true.
However since we have so many Black women "falling in love" with White men and "exploring their options".....
 

How many East Asian or Indian or Arab women are "falling in love" with Black men and exploring THEIR options?
 

This "exploring your options" thing shouldn't be working only in ONE direction...should it?

ALL women should be "exploring their options"...not just Black women, right?

We have quite a few Native American women in the U.S..
How many of them have turned to Black men to "explore their options"?

This is clearly a racists conspiracy or plan to disrupt and destabilize Black male/female relations.

[ProfD]

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

However since we have so many Black women "falling in love" with White men and "exploring their options".....

We would have to quantify the number of Black women falling in love with white men.

 

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

How many East Asian or Indian or Arab women are "falling in love" with Black men and exploring THEIR options?

It would be a good exercise to find out those numbers too.

 

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

This "exploring your options" thing shouldn't be working only in ONE direction...should it?

We really don't know that it flows in one direction. 

 

I've heard Black men can go to South America and Europe and be treated like kings.

 

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

ALL women should be "exploring their options"...not just Black women, right?

Running the numbers we may find that beyond culture women of all stripes are exploring their options.

 

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

We have quite a few Native American women in the U.S..
How many of them have turned to Black men to "explore their options"?

Native Americans have a cultural tie that binds them. Still, their women run away from the reservation too.

[Troy]

On 11/20/2024 at 5:17 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Nature has HARDWIRED these certain attractions into us so that they are universal and no matter what culture or time males and females seek them in the opposite sex.

 

Not exactly. Culture defines what is attractive more than any inherited characteristics.  You often see Black women wearing blond wigs in daily life.  If you spotted a white woman sporting an Afro that would look absurd -- tantamount to wearing Black face.  There is a reason you don't see Katy Perry or Barbara Streisand rocking wearing Afros.

 

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

We would have to quantify the number of Black women falling in love with white men.

 

 It would be a good exercise to find out those numbers too.

 

Running the numbers we may find that beyond culture women of all stripes are exploring their options.

I actually wish would COULD find a more scientific way to determine this.
However given the very dynamic and malleable nature of love and sexual attraction and relationships in general....that would be very hard to do.

 

How many Black women are married to White men?
How many Black women simply have White boyfriends?
How many Black women ONLY marry or ONLY have White boyfriends?
How many Black women find White men sexually attractive?
How many Black women ONLY find White men sexually attractive?

 

Then you'd have to entice them to TELL THE TRUTH.
Many if not most women (of any race) aren't totally honest about their sex lives and who they really find attractive and WHY they find them attractive.

As I've said before, when I was a kid I was called ugly and it slowed up as I got into my teens and as an adult.
But most females won't come right out and say they won't date you because you're ugly.
(some will...lol)
They'll come up with OTHER excuses like they don't like the type of car you're driving or because you don't go to their church or something like that.

So we have to find a way to get women to tell the TRUTH about why they find certain men attractive.

 

 

I've heard Black men can go to South America and Europe and be treated like kings.

 

I don't know about South America but I've been to Europe before and it's true....in MY case atleast.

The women were all over me.
They weren't calling me "ugly" overthere....LOL.
 

Before I got off of the plane I had women from Germany and Belgium hitting on me and trying to make conversation and it just intensified the longer I stayed there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Troy

 

Not exactly. Culture defines what is attractive more than any inherited characteristics.  You often see Black women wearing blond wigs in daily life.  If you spotted a white woman sporting an Afro that would look absurd -- tantamount to wearing Black face.  There is a reason you don't see Katy Perry or Barbara Streisand rocking wearing Afros.

It's both culture AND biology, but my point is that some things are biologically HARDWIRED for women to find attractive in men.
No amount of cultural or religious indoctrination SHOULD be able to change this or re-orient this.

 

Black men...atleast Black American men...on average tend to:

1. Have deeper voices than White men
2. Have bigger penises than White men
3. Have higher testosterone than White men
4. Have more muscle tone than White men
5. Be more athletic than White men

 

Again, this is ON AVERAGE.
Doesn't mean every single brutha has these traits, but IN GENERAL  more of us tend to have these traits over White men.

 

Women around the planet are BIOLOGICALLY HARDWIRED to find deep voices, high testosterone, and bigger penises attractive.

Again, that should cut across cultural boundaries.

If these traits are IGNORED for men with the same amount of money and simply being a "White man" is the only trait necessary to gain their attraction, it speaks of a much deeper problem.


As far as the blonde hair goes...no way.

I hope that picture was photoshopped because my girl Venus was so attractive with her natural hair and natural femininity.

[Troy]

21 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I hope that picture was photoshopped because my girl Venus was so attractive with her natural hair and natural femininity.

 

Of course, the picture was photoshopped the woman you lust after does not exist in the real world.  However, the blond hair is real. 

 

25 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Black men...atleast Black American men...on average tend to:

 

Everything you mention is a sterotype.  But if you have any data, studies or proof beyond your word, I'd be happy to check it out.

 

28 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

my point is that some things are biologically HARDWIRED for women to find attractive in men.
No amount of cultural or religious indoctrination SHOULD be able to change this or re-orient this.

 

OK, so how do you explain a sista like Melody Hobson falling in love with an old white man who presents with none of the characteristics you claim women are biologically hardwired to find attractive?

 

[Pioneer1]

1 hour ago, Troy said:

 

Everything you mention is a sterotype.  But if you have any data, studies or proof beyond your word, I'd be happy to check it out.

 

 

"Stereotype" my ass....lol.

Those are ABSOLUTE scientific and well known facts that people around the planet have observed.

They are EASILY proven and observable and HAVE been proven.

Any scientific research can EASILY prove that on average Black men have larger dick.
Any scientific research can EASILY prove that on average Black men have more testosterone.

What's the argument here?

I WOULD provide the links but I won't waste my time because all you'll do is just DENY them or question their sources or claim they aren't talking about "race" but "ethnicity".

Your mind is set.
You don't want to acknowledge or hear that we are more masculine, for reasons of your own....so any "proof" I offer won't be accepted.

 

Why so many Black men want to DENY their superior masculinity or run away from it and pretend that "we're all the same" is beyond my understanding.

If you don't want to believe that as a race....Black men have bigger dicks than White or Asian men, be my guest.
I've seen enough nude men of both races and have talked to enough women of all races who KNOW it's an absolute fact.
I think it's a BENEFIT to us....not some embarrassment to be ashamed of or something to apologize about.

Infact, I had a conversation with a Kenyan woman from work who said that her and her other Kenyan girlfriends would watch television and joke around about which NBA player had the biggest dicks, lol.
They know about this way over in Africa.

....but according to well educated Black men, it's just a "stereotype" that shouldn't be believed or embraced.

[ProfD]

@Pioneer1, the questions become:

 

1. What difference does it make that Black women find non-Black men attractive? 

 

In other words, will Black men try harder to *compete* for those women.

 

2. If Black men have biological traits making them superior to other men, why aren't Black men the most powerful on the planet and crushing the system of racism white supremacy. 

 

A man's attractiveness and real power is not based on those biological traits. No shortage of examples past and present.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

1. What difference does it make that Black women find non-Black men attractive? 
 

Well, from a common sense perspective...........
 

If women of your own race find OTHER races of men more attractive than you, that should automatically cause an alarm and ring bells.

Think of it this way......

How should a little child feel if they see that their own parents like and love OTHER children more than they like and love them?

 

In other words, will Black men try harder to *compete* for those women.
 

We should, but I don't think most will.

Most Black men aren't trying to "compete" even for BLACK women....much less other races of women.

As I've said before, African women have often told me that I was the ONLY Black man (African or Black American) who told them I had a problem with White men with African women.
They hadn't heard that before.
I take that to presume that most Black men could care less.

 

2. If Black men have biological traits making them superior to other men, why aren't Black men the most powerful on the planet and crushing the system of racism white supremacy. 

Because "superior" and "inferior" are RELATIVE terms.
Meaning....
A man can be superior in ONE department or category but inferior in another.

A man can be superior athletically but inferior academically.
Superior when it comes to making music...inferior when it comes to designing computer software.

As Black men, we are superior in CERTAIN departments, like sexuality.

If....again on average...Black men have bigger dicks, more testosterone, and are more fertile than White men; that means we are sexually superior.

Now when it comes to technology, weapons, etc...
That's a different category.


 

A man's attractiveness and real power is not based on those biological traits. No shortage of examples past and present.
 

Many traits and features go to make up a man's sexual attractiveness.
Sexual potency is just ONE factor, but it's a major factor.

[ProfD]

22 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

ell, from a common sense perspective...........

 

If women of your own race find OTHER races of men more attractive than you, that should automatically cause an alarm and ring bells.

Think of it this way......

How should a little child feel if they see that their own parents like and love OTHER children more than they like and love them?

False equivalence. Being attractive to or rejected by women is very different from being loved by the people who created and gave birth to a person. 

22 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Because "superior" and "inferior" are RELATIVE terms.
Meaning....
A man can be superior in ONE department or category but inferior in another.

As Black men, we are superior in CERTAIN departments, like sexuality.

 

Many traits and features go to make up a man's sexual attractiveness.

Sexual potency is just ONE factor, but it's a major factor.

Clearly, that doesn't make Black men more attractive to women nor does it put us in a position to overthrow the system of racism white supremacy. 

 

If a man's goal is to have a buffet of s8xual options, that's easy to accomplish. Make a lot money. No shortage of women from any corner of the planet.

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

False equivalence. Being attractive to or rejected by women is very different from being loved by the people who created and gave birth to a person. 

 

But both are natural human needs, desires, and interactions.

How well balanced will a child become if he grows up knowing that his parents didn't want him or love him?

 

How healthy and successful can men of a community be if they grow up recognizing the the very women OF that community don't love them or want them?

OR want men of another race more?

 

And the same questions can be asked of Black men who desire White or non-Black women OVER Black women.
What does THAT do to the psychology of Black females?

 

 

Clearly, that doesn't make Black men more attractive to women nor does it put us in a position to overthrow the system of racism white supremacy. 

 

It may not overthrow the system of racism but it CERTAINLY makes Black men more attractive to many women.

As much as I complain, I also acknowledge that there are still MILLIONS of women out there....Black and non-Black...who rock with nothing BUT Black men and find us the most sexual superior.

All you have to do is be around the average DRUNK or TIPSY White woman to find out how much sexual power we have, without even trying...lol.

 

 

 

If a man's goal is to have a buffet of s8xual options, that's easy to accomplish. Make a lot money. No shortage of women from any corner of the planet

 

We've been through this before.

A rich Black men can get plenty of Black, White, and some Latina women.
How many Arab, Asian, and East Indian women will he get with all of his wealth?

 

Also, why should a Black man be a BILLIONAIRE just to get the basic attention and sexual respect from women than some average White man automatically gets?

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

ut both are natural human needs, desires, and interactions.

The majority of men and women do not have a problem finding *love* in one way or another.

 

Unfortunately, some folks will be left out for one reason or another. Those are the breaks.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It may not overthrow the system of racism but it CERTAINLY makes Black men more attractive to many women.

Right. Birds of a feather flock together. 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

As much as I complain, I also acknowledge that there are still MILLIONS of women out there....Black and non-Black...who rock with nothing BUT Black men and find us the most sexual superior.

If such is the case, there's no reason to complain. 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

We've been through this before.

A rich Black men can get plenty of Black, White, and some Latina women.
How many Arab, Asian, and East Indian women will he get with all of his wealth?

It keeps coming up because you're fixated on Black men being able to attract a particular group of women. 

 

I'm sure rich dudes like Floyd Mayweather and Lil Wayne have a few of those women in their file.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Also, why should a Black man be a BILLIONAIRE just to get the basic attention and sexual respect from women than some average White man automatically gets?

Considering there's only a handful of Black billionaires, it doesn't take that much money to get attention.

 

It doesn't take millions of dollars either. Depending on how that Black man presents himself. 

 

The *average* white man benefits from the privilege of white supremacy.

 

Black men have to become more powerful beyond voice, genitalia, testosterone and masculinity.

 

That's just the way it is under the system of racism white supremacy.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

The majority of men and women do not have a problem finding *love* in one way or another.

 

You can fall "inlove" with anybody of the sex you're oriented towards.
I'm not arguing so much from a "love" point of view as I am from a SEXUAL ATTRACTION point of view.

 

 

If such is the case, there's no reason to complain. 

 

There is absolute reason to complain if the trajectory is heading in the WRONG direction.

 

If the trend is.....
This year MILLIONS of women like Black men.
Next year only HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of women like Black men.
If the trend is going in that direction, what will it be 2 or 3 years from now?

 

If you see a problem on the horizon, it should raise concern.

 

 

 

It keeps coming up because you're fixated on Black men being able to attract a particular group of women. 

 

No, not a "particular" group of women but ALL groups of women.
Black men should be attracting....not all of the women...but the MAJORITY of the women from ALL groups.
Black men should be attracting the majority of ESKIMO women...lol...when we come around.
 

That's biology.
That's nature.

Ofcourse I'm not talking about ALL Black men, but the majority.
Nature MADE us attractive, so we should be ATTRACTING

 

 

 

 

It doesn't take millions of dollars either. Depending on how that Black man presents himself. 

 

Again, for the majority of the women on this planet...it doesn't matter how he "presents" himself.
As long as he's a Black man, he's not going to be considered.

I'm not going to say that the women won't find him sexually attractive, but they won't ACT on that attraction and will often times reason it away.

 

 

 

 

Black men have to become more powerful beyond voice, genitalia, testosterone and masculinity.

 

And that's the problem.
For basic sexual attraction and attention, they shouldn't have to be.

 

 

 

 

That's just the way it is under the system of racism white supremacy

 

Doesn't mean we can't challenge it more so that we have more financial and sexual options.

The same Racist system that ruled during Chattel Slavery...rules now.
But because we challenged it, things are a little better for us.

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'm not arguing so much from a "love" point of view as I am from a SEXUAL ATTRACTION point of view.

 

No, not a "particular" group of women but ALL groups of women.
Black men should be attracting....not all of the women...but the MAJORITY of the women from ALL groups.
Black men should be attracting the majority of ESKIMO women...lol...when we come around.
 

That's biology.
That's nature.

 

Doesn't mean we can't challenge it more so that we have more financial and sexual options.

Since this seems to be a hill on which you've planted flag, it could possibly be your online money-maker.

 

Post videos preaching this philosophy. Have your CashApp and Zelle ready to receive donations from followers.

[Pioneer1]

10 hours ago, ProfD said:

Since this seems to be a hill on which you've planted flag, it could possibly be your online money-maker.

 

Post videos preaching this philosophy. Have your CashApp and Zelle ready to receive donations from followers.

Not only am I'm with you...I'm way ahead of you on this one bro!
Appreciate it!

[Laydee Gaga]

On 11/17/2024 at 7:12 AM, Pioneer1 said:

That's obvious.
The question is....WHY?
And WHY NOW?

We're close to the same age, so you remember the 80s and 90s like I do.

Now based on what I remember..........
Most Black American women and even many if not most White women didn't even find White men that attractive back in those decades.
Most Black American women wanted Black men, barely looked at White men for sexual purposes...and a good half of White women felt the same way.

It was clearly understood...in the United States atleast...that from a SEXUAL point of view, Black men collectively were clearly the most attractive.

You didn't hear about Black "incels" and many White men were engaging in perversion and even committing suicide out of loneliness and lack of ability to attract women and "get laid" as they say, lol.

Now ofcourse there were exceptions to this on both sides, but this is what I recall society was like back in the 80s and 90s.

Before we go any further....am I lying or making this up do you remember this being the case also?

And if this WAS the case, my question is WHAT CHANGED about White men OR Black women that all of a sudden they became more "attractive"?

 

Black women always were open to white men but white men gatekeep IRs. It doesnt sound like you are a black woman so you may not be privy to the conversations that black women have when no one is looking. Its well known black women have been sleeping and seeking out white men since slavery. 

Now I wouldnt say white men are now finding black women more attractive, what is happening is that white men who are past their prime, their own women dont want, are going broke now dont have a problem with dating black women openly which is an insult to black women but black women dont have a problem. Even family guy made fun of black women and old white men. Another aspect that black people dont know is gay white men often seek out black women to test the waters with their family and community. In other words if a gay white man (who isnt out yet) brings home a black woman and no one says anything, he can then come out as gay later on because its parallel to each other in the white community.

 

Do you know Joey Buttafuouco is now married to a black woman?

Did you know Alfred Enochs father was 65 years old when he was born?

DJ Vlad said white women were not checking for him and he only got with black women because black women threw themselves at him

Gary Owen said the same thing. White women were not checking for him

Ari Nagel is married to a black woman, is still on dating apps and has black women of all ages throwing themselves at him. 

 

So you have white men who are out of favor with their own community, divorced, broke, gay or are criminals now seeking out black women to have a second or third family with in order to get their second wind.  Its much more than white men just now finding black women attractive because if a young, blonde hair blue eyed white woman steps to a white man who is married to a black woman, its a wrap for their marriage. He will abandon his black wife and children to go off with the white woman. 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

2 hours ago, Laydee Gaga said:

 

Black women always were open to white men but white men gatekeep IRs. It doesnt sound like you are a black woman so you may not be privy to the conversations that black women have when no one is looking. Its well known black women have been sleeping and seeking out white men since slavery. 

Now I wouldnt say white men are now finding black women more attractive, what is happening is that white men who are past their prime, their own women dont want, are going broke now dont have a problem with dating black women openly which is an insult to black women but black women dont have a problem. Even family guy made fun of black women and old white men. Another aspect that black people dont know is gay white men often seek out black women to test the waters with their family and community. In other words if a gay white man (who isnt out yet) brings home a black woman and no one says anything, he can then come out as gay later on because its parallel to each other in the white community.

 

Do you know Joey Buttafuouco is now married to a black woman?

Did you know Alfred Enochs father was 65 years old when he was born?

DJ Vlad said white women were not checking for him and he only got with black women because black women threw themselves at him

Gary Owen said the same thing. White women were not checking for him

Ari Nagel is married to a black woman, is still on dating apps and has black women of all ages throwing themselves at him. 

 

So you have white men who are out of favor with their own community, divorced, broke, gay or are criminals now seeking out black women to have a second or third family with in order to get their second wind.  Its much more than white men just now finding black women attractive because if a young, blonde hair blue eyed white woman steps to a white man who is married to a black woman, its a wrap for their marriage. He will abandon his black wife and children to go off with the white woman. 

 

 

Well.....
That was pretty sobering, lol.

I guess part of me doesn't want to accept that many Black women really do find White men sexually attractive.

Especially when as a Black man, OUR options have been so limited.


What you said about gay White men was pretty deep.
That was actually the first time I heard that one.

I do notice that flamboyantly gay White men seem to have a fondness for AfroAmerican women and AfroAmerican culture in general.
I thought they were doing this as sort of a gateway to having more access to AfroAmerican men.