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In a recent dialog with the good ProfD, we went back and forth over the differences in our "realities".

I maintained that what he was speaking of wasn't a different reality but actually a different perspective of the SAME Reality.

I had another disagreement with a brother at work over the same concept today which made me think of this again.
Actually, it was ongoing because whenever we'd disagree over something he'd say that wasn't HIS "Reality" and then we'd start going back and forth over Realities....lol.

If I said something he thought was outrageous or ridiculous, he'll usually say "Only in YOUR Reality"...lol.


I'd constantly remind him that since we're dialoging, we're both in the SAME Reality.
Then he'd insist that when he leaves work we'll be two DIFFERENT Realities.
What he really means is "environment" but he insists on using the term "reality".

I often forget that MY definition of "Reality" is usually different from that of most people's because of my belief in the Multiverse and in multiple Realities.

So let me try to clarify..........



When I say "Reality", I'm talking about the ENTIRE OBSERVABLE Universe that we all are in and are experiencing collectively as humans interacting with eachother.

I'm not talking about EXPERIENCES:  what you go through IN this Reality
I'm not talking about Perspective: what you observe, hear, the conclusions you come to about different things IN this Reality

When I say "Reality" I'm speaking of the actual physical environment that is NOT limited to just Earth or this planet but the entire Universe and possibly beyond.

California, the Moon, Venus, a grass hopper in Brazil....are all part of THIS Reality.
Different places INSIDE the SAME Reality 

Do you understand?

For example.....
If I say most of the people of St.Louis are mean....while you say most people in it are nice.
That doesn't mean we are in two different Realities.
It means we have different PERSPECTIVES and different EXPERIENCES in that SAME Reality.

If we were in different Realities....you may not even HAVE a city called St.Louis or even a country called the United States in YOUR Reality.
 

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@Pioneer1 the distinction is not all that complicated.


When people the word reality in the context, you’ve described they are talking about different perspectives on the same thing. Some people call those silos some people call them filter bubbles — different realities.

 

It is not meant to mea literally different realities. It’s called a metaphor.

 

I would be willing to bet money that taurus, Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius figures prominently, and your zodiac chart.

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Each and every human being has a "paradigm of reality" in their heads. I have concluded that for each person part of that paradigm is emotional and part of it is rational. So two or more people trying to communicate are testing how well their paradigms of reality synchronize.

 

It is possible to have a total “failure to communicate". The Cool Hand Luke Syndrome.

 

Sometimes people's egos kick in and it is not about communicating but "winning".

 

That is why Fiziks is so Phunny!

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The way I see it is that there is :

All Realities are primarily Subjective

Shared Reality and Personal Reality

Shared Reality is Socially and Culturally  Informed(inculcated) and Agreed to....Subjective Objective

Personal Reality is informed by Perspective and Perception......Subjective.

None of these Realities are stagnant but are forever in constant state of flux....whilst each instant is accessible as static current ongoing memory - The Eternal NOW

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Troy

 

 

the distinction is not all that complicated.

 

Obviously to SOME people it is, lol.
They just can't seem correctly apply the terms.

 

 

It is not meant to mea literally different realities. It’s called a metaphor.

 

Not when you ask them over and over again and they repeat and even reiterate the same erroneous concepts.

They really DO mean to say "Reality"; they just don't know what an actual "Reality" is.
 

 



umbrararchist

 


Each and every human being has a "paradigm of reality" in their heads. I have concluded that for each person part of that paradigm is emotional and part of it is rational. So two or more people trying to communicate are testing how well their paradigms of reality synchronize.

 

Perhaps this is true.
However I still think that even this failure to communicate with eachother is usually taking place in the SAME REALITY.

 

I personally believe that people tend to exist in MULTIPLE Realities simulteneously.
So just because someone is physically present in this reality, their mind may be in another but they will bounce in and out of this one while communicating with you.

 

 

 

 

 

frankster

 

The way I see it is that there is :

All Realities are primarily Subjective

Shared Reality and Personal Reality

Shared Reality is Socially and Culturally  Informed(inculcated) and Agreed to....Subjective Objective

Personal Reality is informed by Perspective and Perception......Subjective.

 

Is it possible to break that down to it's main frame???

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2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Troy

 

frankster

 

The way I see it is that there is :

All Realities are primarily Subjective

Shared Reality and Personal Reality

Shared Reality is Socially and Culturally  Informed(inculcated) and Agreed to....Subjective Objective

Personal Reality is informed by Perspective and Perception......Subjective.

 

Is it possible to break that down to it's main frame???

That is the main frame...All Realities are basically Subjective

Objective Reality is a Projection of our Subjective Reality

Pretty much in line with what @Troy has said in terms of silo or bubble filters -  being what I call Personal Reality

They Only part of reality that is Objective is that which is Shared in Shared Reality...

We can only access Shared Reality through our own Personal Reality

Our Personal Reality is formed by our

Perspective - Opinions Thoughts Biases and Experiences we bring to

Perception - That which we pay Attention to and the Understanding (Meaning and Interpretation) we take away

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On 10/30/2024 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:


In a recent dialog with the good ProfD, we went back and forth over the differences in our "realities".

I maintained that what he was speaking of wasn't a different reality but actually a different perspective of the SAME Reality.

I think what is being discussed is two Realities

 

On 10/30/2024 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

I had another disagreement with a brother at work over the same concept today which made me think of this again.
Actually, it was ongoing because whenever we'd disagree over something he'd say that wasn't HIS "Reality" and then we'd start going back and forth over Realities....lol.

Personal Reality is denoted by his use of the "HIS"

 

On 10/30/2024 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

If I said something he thought was outrageous or ridiculous, he'll usually say "Only in YOUR Reality"...lol.

Persoal Reality

 

On 10/30/2024 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

I'd constantly remind him that since we're dialoging, we're both in the SAME Reality.

Shared Reality..

 

On 10/30/2024 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Then he'd insist that when he leaves work we'll be two DIFFERENT Realities.

Shared Reality

 

On 10/30/2024 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

What he really means is "environment" but he insists on using the term "reality".

Enviroment are a product of Shared Reality..

 

On 10/30/2024 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

I often forget that MY definition of "Reality" is usually different from that of most people's because of my belief in the Multiverse and in multiple Realities.

Shared Realities...

 

On 10/30/2024 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

So let me try to clarify..........



When I say "Reality", I'm talking about the ENTIRE OBSERVABLE Universe that we all are in and are experiencing collectively as humans interacting with eachother.

Shared Reality

 

On 10/30/2024 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

I'm not talking about EXPERIENCES:  what you go through IN this Reality
I'm not talking about Perspective: what you observe, hear, the conclusions you come to about different things IN this Reality

Personal Reality

 

On 10/30/2024 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

When I say "Reality" I'm speaking of the actual physical environment that is NOT limited to just Earth or this planet but the entire Universe and possibly beyond.

Shared Reality

 

On 10/30/2024 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

California, the Moon, Venus, a grass hopper in Brazil....are all part of THIS Reality.
Different places INSIDE the SAME Reality 

Shared Reality

 

On 10/30/2024 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Do you understand?

For example.....
If I say most of the people of St.Louis are mean....while you say most people in it are nice.
That doesn't mean we are in two different Realities.
It means we have different PERSPECTIVES and different EXPERIENCES in that SAME Reality.

We exist simultaneously in both(many) realities..

St.Louis and the people of St.Louis are Shared Reality..

The Experience and perspective are Personal Reality

 

On 10/30/2024 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

If we were in different Realities....you may not even HAVE a city called St.Louis or even a country called the United States in YOUR Reality.
 

Shared Reality

St.Louis and the United states are a product of Shared Reality.....

Both do not exist every Where or in every Time...Or every Reality

We have agreed they exist in this time and this place....And in this Reality

 

 

Hope that helps.

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frankster

 

 

I believe there are multiple Realities and I obviously believe we exist in shared Realities as well, since we're sharing THIS one and dialoging.
But my point is,  some people talk of different Realities when they really mean different perspectives or different environments.
Like the brutha at work who thinks changing environments is actually changing Realities.

Everything isn't a "reality", even if it IS personal.

It's like two people living in the same house arguing about:

"In MY house we take out the trash every Wednesday"

"Well I don't know about YOUR house but in MY house, we take out the trash whenever it's full!"
 

 

Two people living in the SAME house, but they're talking like it's two different houses.
But Troy may just dismiss that as "metaphorically speaking" or just a poetic way of getting your point across...lol.

 

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Reality is whatever happens in the real world.  Not a mythical or magical place that only exists in one's head. 

 

The shared reality among humans is that 1) we all live on the same planet and 2) we are born to die.  There is no escaping it.

 

Everything in between is personal reality based on how one thrives and survives this existence i.e. experiences

 

No two people share the exact same experiences throughout a lifetime.  Not even people born of multiple births.

 

The difference between rich and poor is a personal reality.  It's not just a state of mind either.😁

 

For grins and giggles, test it with a bank.  Apply for a $500k loan to buy a house.  Wait for the answer.  That is a personal reality.🤣😎

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4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

frankster

 

 

I believe there are multiple Realities and I obviously believe we exist in shared Realities as well, since we're sharing THIS one and dialoging.

True

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But my point is,  some people talk of different Realities when they really mean different perspectives or different environments.

All perspective is a Personal Reality.....be they hallucinatory illusionary or delusionary

Environments are Shared Realities....

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Like the brutha at work who thinks changing environments is actually changing Realities.

From a Personal Reality he is right...

When at my Parent's home I am a son and sibling......when I am home with wife and kids I am a husband and father

but it is the same Shared Reality....

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Everything isn't a "reality", even if it IS personal.

The Ancients have a Saying

"you can never step in the same river twice for it is not the same river and he is not the same man"

In short what they are saying is that your Personal Reality changes every instant....even while our Shared Reality changes Gradually

 

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It's like two people living in the same house arguing about:

Two different Personal Realities

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

"In MY house we take out the trash every Wednesday"

"Well I don't know about YOUR house but in MY house, we take out the trash whenever it's full!"

Two people living in the SAME house, but they're talking like it's two different houses.

Same Shared Reality 

different Personal Reality

 

Here is an example of Shared Reality not fully agreed upon or often referred to as speaking two different language whilst using the same words with different meanings.

One individual  might be is thinking from the persective of taking it to the side walk for pick up and the other might think it is outside the house whilst its still in the yard.

One individual might be thinking the house as entailing the boundaries of the property lines whilst the other might be thinking the house as the building they shelter in. 

 

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But Troy may just dismiss that as "metaphorically speaking" or just a poetic way of getting your point across...lol.

In the example above I gave....The problem in their reality is that one individual does not recognize the difference between a house and a home.

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Humm...

 

From my perspective, reality is a slippery slope.  And that's it. 

 

I often find myself asking is this really happening or am I imagining it when I am frozen in a moment of self-awareness. 

 

Sometimes  when I feel unreal, I pinch myself  to  make sure that I am "there". 

 

If I happen to catch a glimpse of my shadow, I tell myself that it is proof that I exist.

 

I shift between the world of my dreams and the world of my wakefullness, not sure which is which.

 

When it comes to something like colors, I'm in agreement with the idea that maybe  my blue is  somebody else's red and neither of us knows it.

 

I've grown skeptical about the purity  of what is described as the "truth",  - which strikes me as being a synonym for perspective.

 

I'm curious about  why I am.

Anxious about where I'll be when  I m not anymore.

 

I'm burdened with questions and bereft of answers.

I.  Don't.  Know. has become my mantra.

 

                   zzzzzzzzz                   

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ProfD

 


Reality is whatever happens in the real world.  Not a mythical or magical place that only exists in one's head. 

 

Well....OUR (the "shared") Reality is.
Based on my current beliefs, Mythical and magical places are Realities too, just not part of THIS Reality.
But they do exist in other Realities or you wouldn't have thought of them.

 

 

 

 

Everything in between is personal reality based on how one thrives and survives this existence i.e. experiences. 

 

 I don't dig the "personal reality" thing too tough.

Perhaps what you're calling a "personal Reality" is merely a personal perspective or position or experience INSIDE the SAME REALITY as other people.

 

 

 

 

No two people share the exact same experiences throughout a lifetime.  Not even people born of multiple births.

 

Correct.
But they share the SAME REALITY and have those different experience in that SAME REALITY.

 

 

 

 

 


frankster

 


All perspective is a Personal Reality.....be they hallucinatory illusionary or delusionary

 

I'll have to disagree.
A perspective is a PERSPECTIVE....not a Reality.
A perspective is HOW YOU VIEW/INTERPRET  that Reality, but it doesn't change that Reality.

 

Now hallucinations and illusions are a different topic.
Now you're talking about OTHER Realities blending in and interfering with THIS Reality.


Delusions are a DISTORTED PERCEPTION of this Reality.

Like a 300 pound Black man looking like Rick Ross putting on a wig and wiggling down the street calling himself a "White woman"

That's not his Reality.
That's his DISTORTED PERCEPTION of the Reality of who he actually is.

 

 


Environments are Shared Realities....

 

Facts

 

 

 


From a Personal Reality he is right...

When at my Parent's home I am a son and sibling......when I am home with wife and kids I am a husband and father

but it is the same Shared Reality....

 

Different POSITIONS in that same SHARED REALITY.

Not a "personal reality".

 

I DO believe Personal Realities exist by the way.
But just moving from one spot to the next, or accepting one title or position over another isn't that.

 

 

 


In short what they are saying is that your Personal Reality changes every instant....even while our Shared Reality changes Gradually

 

You may be on to something.
There are those who believe we are constantly MOVING through multiple Realties; billions or more times per second.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cynique

 


Anxious about where I'll be when  I m not anymore.

 

Well you can stop worrying, because you will NEVER "not be".

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1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

ProfD

 


Reality is whatever happens in the real world.  Not a mythical or magical place that only exists in one's head. 

 

Well....OUR (the "shared") Reality is.
Based on my current beliefs, Mythical and magical places are Realities too, just not part of THIS Reality.
But they do exist in other Realities or you wouldn't have thought of them.

Very Hard question....it seems you are both asking what is Reality.

According to my readings of the Ancients Writings of the Wise....All is Mental and all that exist are but Thoughts of and in The Mind.

According to Modern science...Reality is at its most basic or most refine is entirely and exclusively is Vibrations -  which give rise to  Frequencies  Energies Waves and Fields of Forces

 

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Everything in between is personal reality based on how one thrives and survives this existence i.e. experiences. 

 

 I don't dig the "personal reality" thing too tough.

Perhaps what you're calling a "personal Reality" is merely a personal perspective or position or experience INSIDE the SAME REALITY as other people.

All Forms of Perspespective and Perception is Personal...

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

No two people share the exact same experiences throughout a lifetime.  Not even people born of multiple births.

 

Correct.
But they share the SAME REALITY and have those different experience in that SAME REALITY.

true

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

 


All perspective is a Personal Reality.....be they hallucinatory illusionary or delusionary

 

I'll have to disagree.
A perspective is a PERSPECTIVE....not a Reality.
A perspective is HOW YOU VIEW/INTERPRET  that Reality, but it doesn't change that Reality.

Perspective is a Constituent of Personal Reality....it forms or how you see and  interprete Shared Reality.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Now hallucinations and illusions are a different topic.
Now you're talking about OTHER Realities blending in and interfering with THIS Reality.

Yes...it maybe another Shared Reality....Like Dreams

But in this Shared Reality it is seen and treated as a distortion of the Individual's Mind.....Hence a Personal Reality

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Delusions are a DISTORTED PERCEPTION of this Reality.

Like a 300 pound Black man looking like Rick Ross putting on a wig and wiggling down the street calling himself a "White woman"

That's not his Reality.
That's his DISTORTED PERCEPTION of the Reality of who he actually is.

Perception is a Constituent of Personal Reality....Distorted or not

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

Environments are Shared Realities....

 

Facts

Agreed

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

From a Personal Reality he is right...

When at my Parent's home I am a son and sibling......when I am home with wife and kids I am a husband and father

but it is the same Shared Reality....

 

Different POSITIONS in that same SHARED REALITY.

Not a "personal reality".

 

I DO believe Personal Realities exist by the way.
But just moving from one spot to the next, or accepting one title or position over another isn't that.

All Realities are Primarily Personal...Subjective

For it to be otherwise then you would not or must not exist

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

In short what they are saying is that your Personal Reality changes every instant....even while our Shared Reality changes Gradually

 

You may be on to something.
There are those who believe we are constantly MOVING through multiple Realties; billions or more times per second.

Ancient Wisdom

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Cynique

 


Anxious about where I'll be when  I m not anymore.

 

Well you can stop worrying, because you will NEVER "not be".

I agree

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3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Based on my current beliefs, Mythical and magical places are Realities too, just not part of THIS Reality.

But they do exist in other Realities or you wouldn't have thought of them.

No different from dreams and what we once called make believe. The adult version of it could land someone in a psychiatric hospital.🤣

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Like a 300 pound Black man looking like Rick Ross putting on a wig and wiggling down the street calling himself a "White woman"

That's not his Reality.
That's his DISTORTED PERCEPTION of the Reality of who he actually is.

That's a gotd8mn fool running around hoping the white coats don't catch him.🤣😎

 

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4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

Cynique

 


Anxious about where I'll be when  I m not anymore.

 

Well you can stop worrying, because you will NEVER "not be".

 

@Pioneer1How do you know that for sure? You've strayed from the worlds of reality and perspective and drifted into the territory of speculation. 

Your pontifications are opinions, even if based on science which, itself, only goes so far - or religion which is even more questionable.

Because, we are not omniscient, the different detailed explanations offered by everyone here  are just personal theories. 

Reality is mind boggling. Life is a mystery. Language inadequate

Mere mortals know not that they know not. 

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11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Well you can stop worrying, because you will NEVER "not be".


What will that existence be like and how do you know? 
 

I just read Cynique’s  response after I posed my question, so I realize it is redundant

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8 hours ago, Troy said:


What will that existence be like and how do you know? 
 

I just read Cynique’s  response after I posed my question, so I realize it is redundant



I didn't answer the question because it wasn't asked out of sincerity.
Cynique was just hatin' as usual and THAT'S why she asked that question.


You could ask the same question for HALF of the things people say in this forum.

"How do you know?"

"You got proof?"

"Who told you this?"




Since she doesn't want to believe ME, let Del or someone she believes in come on and tell her the same thing and maybe she'll accept it.
 

 

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"Wow....
I didn't realize this was the case until you told me!

This was the first time someone told me this in a way I understood it! 
Thank you for the insight!"
 

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@Jesus - oops i mean pioneer.Blah, blah,  blah.Why would I post a picture of me unless it was by mistake.while trying to post one of the  son of God  who you think is your alter-ego? 

 

But don't bother to answer because you seldom know what you're talking about. Thinking you know the true nature of death is just the latest example of your know-it-all- delusions.  I am grateful, however, that you didn't cloud that issue  with a lot of hot air the way you usually do. 

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